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>> the special council found no many of those running for president. >> i think it would be collusion by any americans. reasonable for congress to open there was no evidence of the those proceedingings. >> that is for congress to work trump campaign collusion with the russian government's out. >> do you think it should be a hacking. conversation about impeachment after finding no underlying right now? >> no, i think we should collusion with russia, there was continue the investigation. in fact no collusion. >> first i want to hear from bob >> good morning, welcome to "am mueller. >> so far there has been a small joy." this week, we were treated to yet another attempt by attorney but consistent discourse. general william barr to spin the and a group of fresh house women mueller report in donald trump's of color that have been calling favor. for trump to be impeached. hours before he released the on friday they got an assist from a top tier presidential redacted version to congress and candidate. the public, he rei had rited his senator elizabeth warren became personal inter trags clearing the first contender to call for president trump and taking questions from the president trump's impeachment. >> every member of the house and corpse that hadn't had the every member of the senate chance to read and formulate should be called on to vote. do you believe that constitutes questions. barr provided a misleading and an impeachable offense? far less damaging narrative of i believe that the evidence is what the report actually says. just overwhelming that trump has committed these offenses.

and that means that we should he even recited the favorite open proceedings in the house and then the house can take a phrase, no collusion several vote. >> joining me now is tara rshs times. surprise, the report doesn't actually say that. in fact, mueller didn't even -- rydell. look at collusion, noting on david capeheart, and a former page two, quote, we applied the framework of conspiracy law, not republican congressman no longer the concept of collusion. with the republican party. do you believe what you have barr also went on to praise what heard so far about the report? he claimed wasull and that donald trump should be subjected to impeachment? cooperation with the trump administration with the mueller >> without question, no more probe. >> the president took no act to investigation is needed. they don't need to wait for an deprive the special counsel of unredacted report. on multiple occasions they the documents necessary to attempted to kill the investigation and asked his complete the investigation. >> the redacted mueller report says trump made multiple senior staff to cover up the attempts to influence the efforts. investigation including trying i think that is sufficient test, to fire robert mueller but was and frankly i think the house

only needs one hearing, bob mueller, don mcgahn, ask them to unsusta swear under earth, and go to a unsuccessf vote, up or down, members on the record whether or not this unsuccessful. trump was saved from himself. president should be impeached. >> i agree with david jolly up to a point. the mueller report is based on special counsel mueller's very >> after carefully reviewing the narrow investigation. potential obstruction of justice facts and consultation with and interference by the russians. counsel and other department i think that chairman nadler has lawyers, the deputy and i concluded that the evidence it right. because his information is concluded is not sufficient to prodder than robert muellers i establish the president committed an obstruction of think they should continue down justice offense. the road of having hearings. >> mueller lead out the getting the unredacted report, foundation in his report listing and laying the ground wosh. i think that impeachment ten instants stating, quote, if proceedings are inevitable, but we had confidence after a because it is a political thorough investigation of the process more than a legal process that the democrats right facts that the president did not now at least from the clip that

you showed of chairman nadler, commit obstruction of justice based on the facts and legal they're going about it the right way because the investigation standards, we are unable to and their investigations are reach that judgement. broader and they should as david barr said it was ultimately up to him to decide if trump jo jolly said bring mcgahn and committed a crime, mueller mcgarland, bring them to the admitted it is up to congress to committees and have them testify decide. once trump leaves office, it under oath and through these will be up to a prosecutor. hearings and this process, the evidence will become so joining me now, the head of overwhelming that whatever taint there might be on the mueller legal office of counsel during report will be completely outweighed by the mountain, the the clinton administration. avalanche of evidence that will come out of these hearings. thank you for being here. >> good morning, joy. i think it would be a mistake if >> i just want to get your they say let's have hearings reaction to william barr's actions up to this point. start as soon as we get back from the easter break nap is not going to help matters, but if his memo, applying for the job, they keep going the way that his letter summarizing the chairman nadler is s mueller report incorrectly and people along with them. this press conference in which he reiterated this summary.

>> joy. they have to oefrz it will be a foolser rant here. >> can you hear me? >> there is two things on the >> yes. i thought you were going to play table. first on the politics of it, kara, because this is a another clip. >> i just want to get your substantial report. reaction. i put it on the table so people >> absolutely. i was waiting for another can see all of the reading that we're doing, but it is vethorou. attorney general barr clip. i had a lot of respect for bill barr. he had headed the office of legal counsel briefly before he they would have what roads like became attorney general the first time. i have been extremely a road map to impeachment. disappointed. it would have been a different if democrats added to that many world we are in if he had simply more months of information, would that be more politically advantageous to them than done the redactions without proceeding on the basis they jumping in and adding his own got. >> one of the things that struck conclusions. if you read the mueller report, me is it is damming from the one of the things you find is of course he finds what any common very beginning. the introduction is damming of the trump presidency and the

sense person would call crimes that were committed. collusion. that is interpretations between the trump campaign and the i think that impeachment should be on the table, but i do russians, for example on the campaign finance laws. understand the issue that the president's son met with democrats have, that some russian representatives that he democrats have. knew were offering, quote, dirt it is a high risk proposition. however it is a high risk proposition politically. on hillary clinton. these are times when we should any common person would call take the politics away in is a that collusion. mueller did not look at that. he asked if that violated moral issue. i believe it is a constitutional criminal statutes. process. we knee donald trump tried to they leaned over backwards to commit obstruction of justice. that in and of itself is a say, in favor of the president's crime. it is laid out very clearly and son to say they did not believe they should resolve that plain spoken in that report. while it is a channel, and question. what's a thing of value you democrats need to understand that going through impeachment, i worked in some of these can't receive from foreign districts it would be a hard entities in a campaign. sell. nancy pelosi is looking at some of course there was collusion of these districts. there. this went off the rails in a there is three or four of them

where it would be a tough sell. couple of ways. one, there was no reason for the but democrats need to think about the message that we're attorney general to insert his own assessment and to be talking about this, how is this affecting our nation? misleading at every turn. it is not clear to me that barr how does this look to our was lying because he had a narrow lawyer's way out of any children. this criminal and corrupt one of those but is clearly behavior to go bean held misleading. accountable. the report is so much more those are the metrics by which damaging than attorney general this process, which is barr led on. constitutional, should be judged. i think the media has to stop i can only think deliberately saying it is a political process. >> but it is. >> before i let you back in, misled the country about the report. >> and william barr is the third jonathan, tera was getting all trump attorney general. donald trump actively attempted kinds of amens. so i want you to get in and then to get previous attorney i will let jonathan back in. generals, notably sessions, to >> congress took an oath, and i intervene. he tried to get the white house

see that jonathan is about to counsel to end the say it is fundamentally a political issue. investigation. he seems to have tried to get congress is the only body around someone in that white house to that can hold trump accountable. take action and obstruct it. so they must hold trump the fact that he finally found accountable. i'm a stark, i didn't vote for someone to do it and it is the sitting attorney general of the sniveling lanister. united states that said dismiss they're trying to play politics the report and just listen to when they have a moral justice issue here. me. how unusual is that? it is time for the democrats to >> it is very unusual. stand up and the argument that the whole point of appointing a they can't do both. if we do impeachment then we special counsel was to free that can't talk about health care, no, we can walk and chew gum. investigation from politics. i'm a female stark and it's the then to have a politically appointed person jump in and steal sta female starks that call for wave his arms and say listen to justice and keep their heads. there are women out there who seem to understand that we can me, listen to me was extremely do both, we can uphold the constitution and talk about jobs inappropriate. to think that the office was 13 and other issues. angry democrats and mueller was >> nobody is talking about not out to be unfair. holding president trump this report completely disproves accountable.

it is all about we all want to that. every time there was a disgre get to point z. how many people do you bring along with you in the process. in these discussions they have been listening to in the last few days, i keep going back to discretionary judgement, they leaned over backwards in caution president obama's effort, for the president and his family methodical effort to get rid of don't ask don't tell. people were yelling just do away and association's. with it, use an executive order, it is anything but an angry witch hunt. >> to that point, the campaign they were clubbing him hard expected it would benefit from every day. but what he decided to do was the information. on the question of whether or not donald trump was given full institute a process. opportunities to answer set up a tamp force for the questions. he gave 36 i don't remembers to secretary of defense. answer questions and he wasn't talk to the branchs of the mill tear, basically get by, find out subpoenaed. the mueller report states while what they wanted, the report comes out and they said they they believe they could elect a don't care they know there is grand jury to elicit testimony,

they did not. gay troops. going to the question of whether and they're getting called out because of don't ask don't tell. or not barr might face sanction and it caused them to vote in favor of getting rid of don't himself. he did lie about what was in the report. the report disproved what he ask don't tell. said. and they were calling on could he face sanctions up to president obama to sign, they got a law, which president trump impeachment himself? >> i doubt it. i think officials would lean would not be able to overturn. that's why i keep saming that over backwards not to impose chairman nadler should keep sanctions on a cabinet officer. going the way he is going, and here is an example, joy, of how that report on joy's desk right nowge chump of tnk of the i think barr could defend himself. one of his grossest evidence needed. misstatements was to say that president cooperated fully, when from chairman nadler, to the in fact, the report shows the southern district of new york, and go for the big game to start president tried to stymie the impeachment proceedings. report at any place including they can do both at the same time. no one is saying that refusing to give his own impeachment is off of the table. testimony. it is clearly stated that the >> the question that i would have is the idea that any

white house cooperated. barr could say by the white republican is going to be brought along, but you know -- house, he could say he was >> i'm not talking about referring to the office of the republicans. >> no, that any republican voter or voter who is inclined toward executive president. in my view as a moral matter, it donald trump will be somehow broug along toward impeachment, is even worse because it is we have been talking about this deliberately miss meeting. for three years now and i think >> when it comes to moral people have already made up matters, you've written that you their mind whether or not they believe what he did, multiple believe donald trump is unfit to books and reports, and this hold office because of the fact report says he did. that as an american election. i want to play real quick, i know that tara wants to get in, but there is no way that any american will vote to convict in he and his team welcomed it. the senate, right? here is adam schiff. do you believe donald trump is open to having this happen >> an impeachment proceeding again, since he didn't do anything about it last time. cannot be successful if one party decides their more loyal to their party than they are to do you think donald trump has the constitution and the country. that is a real structure party right now. the gsm o.p. has no independence docume demonstrated that ability again of this president. they are a consult of trump's

so he can stay in office and personality. >> isn't that true? avoid facing justice? no republican will change their >> absolutely. mind, right? >> sure, but democrats are we have a situation where the making a political calculus attorney general jumps in and right now. i'm going to dang rougsly put on resolves the obstruction of my part-time lawyer hat. this is very important, it is justice for the president. referred to as a political it is a green light to interfere question, not a political process. and what i mean by that is it is with anything in the future. a question for congress to determine if the president has any immunity the president has broken the law if is not a against being personally process by which the congress has to common the consensus of indicted is only while he's the nation. they have a duty under the sitting in office. if this president loses the next constitution to consider whether or not the president broke the election, on january 20, 2021, law. and the finality that will confront democrats is this. air force one turns into a if you refuse to impeach the pumpkin and he has no immunity president and hold him accountable, you're taking the from being prosecuted and there same actions that attorney is a five-year statute of general bill barr is taking by saying i see the mueller evidence, but i'm not going to limitation. hold the president accountable those criminal acts make him and surely we cannot live in a still a minable to being world where the democratic house attacks the same position as

indicted and prosecuted once bill barr and will not hold them he's no longer in office. whether that would be accountable for what is in the mueller report. >> arguments that people are politically wise or viable for a making, but i think it new administration, that gives absolutely needs to be on the him unbelievable incentive to table i think mueller should run for reelection. testify, i think that should >> and he's lucky to have happen, but i think we know what moouler will say. but the arguments that people are making is that it's going to william barr ready to be his divide the country. in terms of the right thing, the attorney. coming up, we take a closer look right thing historically in this at the mueller report. country has not always been that's next. ete job popular. nixon, that was not popular at from any one else. why accept it from your allergy pills? fist, right? flonase relieves your worst symptoms martin luther king and his including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. approach to gain civil rights flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. was not popular. most pills only block one. fighting against slavery was not flonase. popular. it is about doing the right thing. people want, and this isvoters, want democrats to be a little

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process is a two-step process. so, just say "vote for world of dance" into your xfinity v-mo to choose your xfinity fan favorite impeachment is in the house. president trump can be to join the world of dance experience impeached, and ultimately he on my "it's my party" summer tour. will be impeached on whoever's cast your vote by saying "vote for world of dance" into your xfinity x1 voice remote. time table, he will by the evid or as j-lo likes to call it, your v-mo. the table in front of you right now. that is going to happen, but the second part of the process is when that indictment goes to the senate for trial. that's where the republicans have control, and that's where he won't be convicted. but i do think that in order for this whole impeachment thing to be as successful as it needs to be that the evidence needs to be more overwhelming because of the political state that we're in right now and we know it is coming, sdny has a lot out there that we don't know about. >> we're out of time. that didn't stop the republicans from doing it to bill clinton.

it worked for them electorally. everyone knew it was about a sexual affair and everyone thought it was insane. this is a new thing, we don't >> the special counsel made always agree. clear he did not exonerate the thank you so much. coming up donald trump is president and the responsibility concerned about earth, too. falls to congress to hold the who knew? earth, too who knew president responsible. >> if you choose to go after impeachment, how important would this report be? >> it is too early to talk about that. i think it was probably written with the intent of providing congress a road map. that's now the big question, was robert mueller's decision not to state obstruction of you might take something for your heart... or joints. justice his way to leave it up but do you take something for your brain. with an ingredient originally discovered in jellyfish, to congress to decide. prevagen has been shown in clinical trials to improve short-term memory.

prevagen. healthier brain. better life. encouraging manafort and michael cohen to not cooperate in his efforts to remove special counsel. joining us our guests today, my legal brain trusts. let's go around the table. what stood out to you most in the mueller report. here it is. very, very think. >> i'm still getting through it. but 448 pages of letting the american public know that the president today and in 2018, 2017 is unethical, immoral and dishonest. it is astonishing when you went through the litany of things that robert mueller painstakingly went through to understand. ten, not one or two but ten

different ways this president tried to obstruct justice. sarah's last tuition payment, sent off. >> what is this? feeling good? this is like calling a plummer oh yeah. now i'm ready to focus on my project. and them saying you have a clog. ♪ ♪ can you fix it? this is why we plan. no. ♪ ♪ but here is a time life book on how to fix it. this is dripping in nepotism. you never cease to amaze me, maya. every time they had to think of see how investing with a j.p. morgan advisor can help you. things in favorable to the chase branch. president, they bent over backwards. there is no subpoena for trump or any of his children. if i was suspected of committing a crime and my kid saw it they'd have my kid in under hot lights and my kid is six. there is no other person in the country that would be prosecuted like this. >> interestingly, i think there

is a lot of validity to what you are saying. one of the long-lasting effects of this report is that it would provoke even more information and whether this president receives different treatment from a young kid prosecuted on drug trafficking. >> when you look at the way paul manafort, michael flynn, manafort all of them were charged, it is a cry for america to understand the difference in how certain people are prosecuted but all along the line, how they are charged, the bail that they pay, the sentence they receive. paul manafort was like, i'm going to the hamptons. >> i'll come back to you. some of the instances from the report to make your point. the multiple times donald trump attempted to influence the

investigation, which under normal circumstances would be seen as obstruction of justice. largely because the persons surrounding him declined to carry out his orders. >> if dozens of federal the white house counsel, fbi prosecutors spent two years director, campaign manager, jeff trying to prosecute you of a sessions, attorney general, rod crime, and they didn't, it means you didn't do it. the president of the united rosenstein. you ask that many people to do states has been totally and something to stop this probe completely vindicated. from going forward, when you say to michael cohen, just be good. >> for those that branded the prime time host on this channel just stick with me. i got your back. let me play with what lindy as "state niews" for trying t-- graham had to say in 1999 when similar charge was made against bill going to commit surgery at noon, show up you deserve to apologize to us. at 1:00. >> the report was released, the don't be late. you judge people on their daily beast reports that trump

conduct, not magic phrases. and his aids, trump told his >> michael flynn's attorney aides to keep an eye on his channel to make sure that fox withdraw, the personal counsel stayed loyal. but there was some cracks in the reminded flynn's counsel the president's warm feelings fi firewal. >> it did show an a-moral, towards flynn and said that still remains. he's doing things to encourage them not to cooperate. deceptive donald trump, instructing his aides to lie and >> so the end of the to be willing to help them do conversation, we need to have so, that's not good. this larger conversation about the system. the answer is that it was not a >> nymy guests are back, there s witch hunt. they did things right. a few people that let some this is how our juistice system truthiness come through. here is chris wallace on thursday reacting to the mueller does things. report. >> it got into a very curious the most interesting take away in the obstruction section in this report is that mueller area where the toernl generatto clearly believes there is prove beyond a reasonable doubt that president of the united states committed obstruction but he is was acting like counsel for the

being a person that follows the president more than the acting rule of law saying i don't have attorney general. making a case for the president. jurisdiction to prosecute but i >> real quick, real quick. have done this complete sheer janet napolitano reacting. investigation so congress can take this up. >> there is a memo they cite that says you can't prosecute a >> obstruction doesn't have to sitting president. be successful for to be there is no law. >> i've said that before. there is no law that says it. obstruction. >> the democrats will make the most out of this and they the supreme court hasn't ruled should, these are things the on it. president needs to know about. it is not in the constitution. >> does that a audience like it is astonishing with me. fox. when they hear the contrary >> part of this is vices do they just dismiss them? >> first kudos for them going on institutionalists. the house is on fire and they fox and saying what they said are like, well i control the here, but fox is of course, and the president understands this, elevator. is the heart of this alternative well you can't operate the reality. and for a lot of folks, fox is elevator under a fire. at some point, mueller didn't their safe space. want to get his hands dirty. that is where they go to be reassured that you don't need to i understand there is the rule, read the report. there is nothing there, he has the olc memo. been exonerated, all of which is not true. at some point, mueller got more so does it penetrate?

concerned with mueller's i want to go back to your reputation as opposed to risking previous discussion. jonathan capehart makes a very hi represent. the right wing would have been important point, if in fact very angry. going ahead it is framed as mueller could have said this is an extraordinary situation, the impeaching trump, fox news will attorney general is not attorney go back to they're coming after our president, this is the coup, general for the people, he's but if they take the two-step process to begin to layout the attorney general for donald trump and i'm going to use evidence, again, emphasize the evidence. whatever authority i can to get bring in the testimony of robert this man. >> have we set up a situation mueller, you might penetrate some aspects of this space -- with donald trump where it is >> after three years, they essentially permissible for a heard. >> but hold on we heard i think president to obstruct justice. malcolm nance first came on in we have a attorney general who says he can do it. june or july of 2016. and one point he's trying to try we have been talking to all of to encourage cory to try to get these journalesjournalists, the this for years and said no collusion, no collusion, no him to recues himself. collusion. they're not listening to it, and you're saying six more months of there is ways in which he's hearings and they will say oh, openly obstructing and openly -- there you go.

>> you don't need half or 60%, his team seeking advantage from you just need 2% or 3%. a foreign power and it is all given how narrow and small trump's base is, it just takes a small erosion. a lot of those okay. > not just presidents but candidates. kamala harris can call china and heard from david corn. but it will be on foxx news, si, what information do you people will watch it, they need to be educated, you know raepea have? that is one of the reasons why we have a system of law and order and justice. it is for precedent. the evidence. we are emerged in all -- immersn if nothing is done now, it sets this horrible precedent that this. i agree that ultimately you are anybody else can walk in and say, let me take that call. going to get to impeachment >> are we at the point where inquiry, but there is also a role of emphasizing this congress has to pass a law evidence, getting it out there, and fox news will not be able, outlawing research from a of course, i mean they're a foreign entity? >> i think that's where we are. hackery that you will get, but the sense that these norms they cannot resist covering the

everyone has followed over the hearings. >> they would have to play year president trump has impeachment hearings like shattered. it is a wakeup call. everyone else would as well. one of the things we'll have to so it could be what you're saying, they would have to play do will be to enshrine these them, their audience would have to watch them. >> well, yes, but you can do this in a two-step process that into law. >> here is the question, would i think chairman nadler and trump sign a law? others are talking about doing. of course he won't. you lay out the evidence. >> maybe he will or maybe he you bring a portion of the public along, and then you say won't. he won't be around forever. the result is very, very clear. now we must move to the next there is a viable debate about step. so i guess that is part of the what happens at 2020. it is a political process. psychology of how do you break here is the rule of law answer. in. impeachment will look like a what we all hope is at the end overreach to them, and again of the day, there is going to be jonathan's case, i hope people a game left to play and we'll understand that yes there is a have a country left. if we are really worried about winning this round of the game, wir willing to destroy the game. cushional constitutional obligation. we are not going to have a game >> you're being agreed with, i will let you chime in. >> what i would say to charlie's left. >> one more word. point, if there are impeachment >> the united states has become

proceedings, and we're talking a cross between "house of cards" about the folks on earth, too. if there are impeachment and ""game of thrones." proceedings on the mueller >> ands it is saying it is report, that folks are december counted before they came out, allowed. then ghie nowhere. what they are saying, any that 2% or 3% erosion will never candidate seeking to get happen, but if impeachment assistance from a foreign power proceedings are based on the may do it. mueller report, a conviction, an >> but not just any foreign indictment, or something coming out of the southern district of power, an adversary. new york, other than information coming out of the 14 other information that's sprouted up because of the mueller probe, if >> don't worry, democrats won't it is new information that is part of the foundation that do it. includes the mueller report, >> then we'll be called the then there is a possibility of united states of russia. breaking through to that two or >> they've teaed it up, more is three percent that charlie is next. talking about. >> do you agree with that, tara? all money managers might seem the same, you have been on fox. you have experienced it on the inside. tara has experience it'd from the inside. it there 2% or 3%? but some give their clients cookie cutter portfolios.

i don't understand why fisher investments tailors portfolios impeachment hearings would not to your goals and needs. be that exact same thing. some only call when they have something to sell. >> i don't think democrats should make decisions based on fisher calls regularly so you stay informed. whether or not the fox news and while some advisors are happy to earn commissions audience will agree even if it whether you do well or not. fisher investments fees is 2% or 3%. democrats need to bring it back are structured so we do better when you do better. from a message standpoint to maybe that's why most of our clients this is about the rule of law. come from other money managers. fisher investments. clearly better money management. we have a man arrested for priceline will partner with even more vegas hotels allegedly stealing a backpack. to turn their available rooms into amazing deals. delegates, how do you vote? he did not steal the backpack. (wild cheering) he was brutalized and he killed (music plays) sample: yes... y-y-y-yes... yes... woman: that is freaky. himself. the rich and powerful, and whether or not it is the president of the united states or someone else, no one is above the law. that's the argument that democrats need to be making. what will fox -- it has to be about the principals, and it has to be repetitive messaging

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>> do you still believe the president could be a russian asset? >> i think it is possible. i think that's why we started our investigation. >> i was very concerned that i was able to put the russia case on absolutely solid ground in an indelible fashion that were i removed quickly or reassigned or fired that the case could not be closed or vanish in the night without a trace. >> the highly anticipated mueller report detailed multiple contacts between the trump campaign and russia. much of which had been covered

by court filings and the media. on thursday, moments before the redacted report was released, this was attorney general william barr's bottom line. >> the special council found no collusion. there was no evidence of the trump campaign collusion with the russian government's hacking. did not find that trump campaign or other americans colluded in liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, hmm. exactly. those efforts. so you only pay for what you need. no underlying collusion with nice. but, uh... russia. what's up with your... partner? there was, in fact, no not again. limu that's your reflection. only pay for what you need. collusion. >> joining me now, msnbc ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ contributor, and coauthor of "russian roulette." and author of "how to catch a russian spy." and author of "it is even worse

than you think what the trump administration is doing to america." the instances of potential collusion outlined in the mueller report, donald trump jr.'s interactions with wikileak. kushner's attempt to set up a back channel, trump's request he didn't do it, he didn't for clinton's e-mails, fire mueller. >> they asked mcgahn to recede manafort's briefings with from his recollections. >> chris, they didn't, they didn't do it. that's the bottom line. >> if i ask you to punch mr. kilimnik. here is what mueller writes in the report about this idea of meadows, and you don't do it, collusion. the request was still wrong. we applied the framework of >> the request may have been conspiracy law, not the concept wrong, but it's not a crime of collusion noting, quote, unless he assaults me. collusion is not a specific >> yeah, but is that our standard? is that why you got into public offense of liability but focused service? to prove you're not a felony? on conspiracy based on the law. >> the g.o.p. made clear they're standing by their man. with some, mic minority leader

why would they share campaign data not be conspiracy? kevin mccarthy are saying it is >> what robert mueller was time to move on, and lindsey looking at was a very narrow graham says now it is time to exact revenge on democratic definition of a crime. in some ways, it really is a rivals. joining me now is nick ackerman. little bit of a fool's errand to nick, we were talking in the break a, what is those two republican congressmen said true? >> absolutely false, the standard is did you endeavor? prosecute a sitting president. it isless than intent. you don't even have to do it as it did not meet the technical long as you just do something in lens, conspiracy which requires an agreement. furth furtherance of it. instead, he found mutual he is guilty of obstruction of justice without a doubt. beneficial activities going on >> is the only reason he is not and responding to each other. being charged because he is he found no precise crime of president? >> yeah, and because he has a conspiracy, i think all americans should be deeply troubled by all of efforts that lackey attorney general, which mueller, in his report, bis i wept on to share information and benefit each other and whether did destroys.

>> donald junior got away in this should be fitting of the this report not charged with president of the united states. >> the idea that any american, anything, why? if he was attempting to obtain let a known a group of them dirt on hillary clinton from an would see the advantage of a adversarial foreign power and was disseminating the work foreign power handing them dirt. product of these agencies -- >> he was trying to disseminate let's read again from the report, it said, although they stolen material, stolen property. stolen from the democratic believed they would benefit from national committee. the trump presidency and the the problem with our federal campaign believed it would criminal law is it does not benefit clue information coff released, the investigation did cover intangible items like not establish that trump computer data. campaign did not conspiracy with the possession of stolen data, the federal statutes don't cover the russians. this. trump campaign promoting mueller mentions that in a footnote, but for the fact that our laws are back in the maybe internet materials and that gru 19th century at this point, stole. here it is, don jr., erik trump, trump and all of his cohorts would have been indicted. kellyanne conway, brad parscale >> let's go to david jolly on

this. and michael flynn all cited as my head is exploding on the fact that we have to pass laws for attempting to throw discord. things that should be evident. on wikileak, accorded to rick for nick ackerman, we need a law gates who pleaded out. saying it is a crime to possess stolen e-mails and other digital paul manafort expressed data. if democrats were to propose excitement. stating he also spoke with the such laws, would republicans vote for them and would the candidate trump and said he senate -- would mitch mcconnell wanted to be comprised withot c? put them on the floor? >> no, he would say it was not necessary, right? republicans would not allow this to happen, it is fascinating >> i think a bold, gutsy when you hear a republican have to answer questions, they have their talkers where the president was found not culpable prosecutor would have charged trump. if you will, but when you really bob mueller is not that get to the edge on issues of prosecutor. obstruction and misconduct they he's very cautious. he only brings cases that are blink. and there is a certain amount of

slam dunks. corruption they're betting with if i were doing this case, i this president. democrats are trying to wrestle would have started, ladies and with how to hold the president gentleman of the jury, when accountable, but i would say there are some lessons because president trump heard about this in the midterm elections you had investigation, not that he would a lot of people that don't vote be glad because my name will be for democrats that say i'm going cleared, he said, thats that the to vote for them because we have end of my presidency. to reign in this president. to our previous conversation, if i'm f-ed. democrats fail to do so, a lot that's not what an innocent of voter wills be left with no person says and why he got so busy obstructing ten different confidence in the house. >> and democrats as they're times. he was properly concerned there agonizing on whether or not they can use their power, republicans was a thorough investigation of those efforts that he would be are saying we're going to start in deep trouble. investigating the fbi. we're going to make them into >> you've written about this all criminals, here is lindsey the way back to the steele memo graham saying what he would like to do with the power that he on. donald trump had an interest in has. >> there is two questions that meeting with russia.

the public deserves an answer he was easy to target. to. did they short circuit the on the other side of it, you clinton e-mail investigation because they wanted her to win have manafort who is doing these and they knew if they charged back-door deals trying to do a her he is might lose. did they start the russian quote, unquote ukrainian peace investigation against trump as an insurance policy in case had deal to let russia keep crimea. did win. those are the two questions that i will try to get you answers in exchange, another little to. >> update, politico, more part. the peace plan being floated constituted a back-door means questions for the e-mail probe. for russia to control ukraine. the difference between democrats the state of the trump campaign and republicans, republicans are saying we're going to use our and the plan to win the power to launch a fishing expedition. they're not afraid to use the power they have specifically for election. according to gates, it included a discussion of battleground politics. states identified as michigan, >> first what happened to wisconsin and minnesota. at the same time, russia was lindsey gram. interfering in the process of states going after voting rolls and trying to manipulate the there is no wa graham, election on the ground.

the republicans are going to be at ramming speed, you listen to all of this and if people read open to the foreign government. >> the report is long. this 450 page report, and i there are a lot of details in don't no fe many people, republicans, are willing to do it. it shows throughout the that, it is impossible to campaign, trump and his imagine even somebody, even associates had weird, puzzling, elected republicans, coming to strange and improper the good faith conclusion that interpretations with the you're not talking about something deeply disturbing. russians while the russians were this is a president who is attacking the u.s. even after it presiding from a throne of lies. was reported in the press that the russians were behind these when you see this spin out hacks gs. there, it is pure hackery. they signal to the russians we are willing to play ball with what about the republicans staying quite this weekend that are privately disturbed by this. you attach that with what trump will they speak up? was saying. and to the point about this is the collusion and republicans not allowing legislation that would conspiracy. mueller was seeking to benefit criminalize this criminal from the attack. behavior, i think this is exactly what they ought to be

doing. i think there are some we have lies and betrayal. republicans that would say you know what we may not want to it is certainly something for the american public to take on donald trump head to head, but we're about to go into contemplate in terms of a another campaign where we need to make it very clear what is profound wrongdoing. acceptable and what is not. then you have cases while david, do you agree with that. other rs understand this kind of running the campaign and we see thing can help them keep power, in this particular that he lied why let them keep the system the about that. they were never able to way it is. determine if he told donald >> mitch mcconnell is the king trump about these efforts. of killing it. it would be a fascinating same thing with roger stone. dynamic. and they could hold their a lot of interaction. senators account abble. there is still a lot we don't mitch mcconnell would kill it. are republicans going into the know. 2020 still running against steady stream of lies. hillary clinton? they try to exploit the attack someone who last held office i think eight years ago. and did everything they could to tell mornings there was no attack. i don't know what you need for a they have all of these new young giant scandal more than that. voices, and republicans want to >> you've been approached by run against hillary clinton in russia in the past. 2020. >> it is a difference in the way that these two parties exercise there is a thing americans do

when approached by an power. democrats have the power to do all sorts of things in adversarial foreign power that investigations, why do you think wants something from them. they're so hesitant? none of these people alerted the fbi oro officials. >> i think the best comparison is watergate. here are some of the things they did. after candidate trump stated he hoped russia would find the 30,000 e-mails, he asked the people individually to find the deleted e-mails. flin subsequently contemplated people to look for these and you you got maybe not any tapes, necessarily, but you have a lot of insider witnesses. have russia saying they can give i have got eight 80 more pages them to you. to read in this report, but at shouldn't they have called the this point we have don mcgahn, jeff sessions, hope hicks, fbi? >> i think that's a really important question. michael cohen, they would be the key part of this is, if a witnesses against donald trump

in this obstruction. my rule as a prosecutor used to foreign adversary approaches be if i have one witness and a you, you pick up the phone and call the fbi. tape i have a slam dunk. but morals don't govern these three witnesses and no tape is a people. the russia attempt, they were slam dunk. congress ought to be calling the probing and collecting house judiciary committee, calling all of these witnesses, intelligence. and asking about all of this targeting someone and using them detail that is laid out in the to collect intelligence in and mueller report. of itself to collect the crime. >> and as we found out a lot of people used to tape donald if you do not pick up the phone and call the fbi, you are trump. thank you to my guests, very depriving the intelligence much, happy easter, happy committee of actionable intelligence that can tell what passover to everyone. coming up, a closer look at our adverse arie is trying to do to our country. donald trump's handpicked it is not morally right. attorney general. tonight a special live edition of hardball with chris matthews it also impacts the national at 6:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. p.m. eastern right her security by depriving us of on msnbc actionable intelligence. these people did this ever day. ♪ it is shocking.

i have to ask. ♪ i think there is some blame that ♪ lies in the obama administration. joy, what frightens me today is the fact that if there is questions about what our intelligence committee did or did not do to stop this. we are in a worse position today than in 2019. that scares the be jesus out of me. it really does. >> i'm reading through the report now. i'm at the point now where they are talking about russian actors and the gru were attempting going after the systems of multiple state voter roles. what has been done about that. james comey who the pillar for intervening and known for throwing hillary out.

what was he doing about this? >> to make it clear, to disrupt a russian intelligence operator does not require going to court. it is, going to russia with pictures saying we know what you are doing. the russians are ker tied in confrontation. we are not talking about u.s. importants, we are talking russian intelligence officers. you could let those people know we know what you are up to. they would not have wanted risk escalation. i do not understand why that wasn't done. one final thought on that. we talk about things like swing states. targeting misinformation. that means in my book, someone on the american side was telling the russians that -- it may not

constitute a crime but that is collection. >> someone. paul manafort was telling them. >> exactly, paul manafort had that meeting where it was like tit for tat. he said, you got our private campaign data, what do you think. in exchange, they said if trump gets elected, this is what he could do for the ukraine, for us. a voter prosecutor would have car vending machines and buying a car 100% online.vented found abundant evidence, enough to make a case. now we've created a brand new way for you to sell your car. >> in addition to that, you have whether it's a year old or a few years old, we want to buy your car. so go to carvana and enter your license plate, wikileak assange saying we'd answer a few questions, rather have trump win and here and our techno-wizardry calculates your car's value is why. why don't you release that and gives you a real offer in seconds. through us. all of those actors saying we when you're ready, we'll come to you, need trump in there and yet no pay you on the spot, and pick up your car. that's it.

so ditch the old way of selling your car, conspiracy. >> in addition to asking why and say hello to the new way-- at carvana. would any american who cares up. about this country cooperate. up. down. down. ah ah! that's one. why would everybody around him up. say don't do that, patriotic. that's two. down. down. but once trump gets in, now he get down, get down. is in. on march 25th, 2017, three days after a meeting at the oval office, he called in dan coats and complains not about russia intrusion in the election, not about what was done to the country but about the investigations saying words to the effect "i can't do anything with russia." there is things i would like to isis and they're all over me with this. the fbi tonight has broad what kind of a guy does that. new powers to arrest american >> the head of a white collar fugitives overseas. the justice department said permission is not needed from crime family. foreign countries however he is the head of a criminal section james baker said this organization, that is what new procedure will not be used donald trump has run as his without a full discussion of the father did when he was business obvious foreign policy

partners with business guys, and implications. >> guess who was the justice his grandfather did when he department lawyer who declared the fbi could arrest fugitives, started out illegally coming into the country as a draft and not just americans overseas, dodger, illegally getting even if those arrests violate international law? while, it was william barr, then citizenship, and then running the head of the office of legal whore housing to get the first counsel and current jump con sig trump fortune. his behavior is very consistent leary. my next guest said the with someone who knows that law circumstances surrounding barr's enforcement is on to them and they have to figure out how to situation are eerily familiar. get them off. joining us now special counsel the mueller report, joy, makes at the university of new york, it eminently clear that there secretary of defense. was collusion. there was trafficking both ways, thank you very much very much. you're proof twitter could yield there was a willingness to good things. i saw your piece posted on accept the provision of twitter and was like immediately information to the republicans. we have to get this pman on the how successful or unsuccessful is totally irrelevant. show. can you explain what william clearly mueller feels contrary barr did in 1979. to paul butler's analysis that >> sure, it is leaked to "l.a. it doesn't rise to the level of a criminal conspiracy charge. but that is not the standard under constitution. times" and found later that day to that is fidelity and loyalty

and laid the groundwork of to america. and faithful execution of the snagging panama at the time. office, so the grounds here to remove donald trump are overw m barr was ask, what about the report, he said it's totally confident. cannot talk about it. overwhelming. that does break down pretty there is not political support to do so because we have cowards immediately because congress calls him in for a hearing. in the u.s. senate that are not they want the full memo. doing what they know to be right he said i'm not going to give you the full memo, i'll give you for fear of losing their jobs. the summary of the principles of conclusion from 1979 to 2019. if you're not going to do your >> does the full memo come out job because you're afraid of and does it wind up matching his being voted out, you don't deserve to be in office. summary? >> that's the point, when i wrote the piece, it was before >> it reminds me of books by the mueller report came out. i said at least we know how 1999 david k. johnston and david corn here. we have been talking about this came out and now we know 2019 for three years, everyone knows what was done. cams out. if that is not illegal, then he has a 13-page summary, and what good is the criminal justice system, if all of that then three years later the actual memo comes out and he did is at least acarding to the mueller report perfectly legal not summarize the principal to do? >> so i think it is important to conclusions. understand what is legal and there are bombshells in the what is improper. underlying opinion that stayed

and it might be unfit for a with national security lawyers like me ever since. they are highly controversial sitting president. robert mueller is looking to see propositions. like you said the idea the u.s. if crimes were committed, it is president doesn't have to follow a very narrow limitation on the u.n. charter. that's a bombshell and it's behavior it is very different discovered three years later because congress takes 21 from deciding whether or not someone is fit to serve as months, first, to issue a president of the united states. subpoena. and then it takes another so he is laid out in great detail what is contained there administration, clinton administration, to release it to and i think is now for congress the public and everybody can to look at that conduct and care what barr told them with decide if this is someone fit to the underlying memo. so we have the same thing. serve as president. >> is there a guiding principle i agree with the idea that behind william barr's behavior. william safire, conservative sharing polling data to a journalist, called him the foreign adversary that you know cover-up general. where it's the iran-contra case is attacking our elections is where he encourages george incredibly unpatriotic. and it may not specifically set herbert walker bush to pardon -- at least supports the idea of that narrow definition of a crime, it certainly fits, pardoning principles, the defense secretary, which removes perhaps, the definition of accountability. nobody is held accountable impeachment. i live in michigan, a ultimately. battleground state. his attempt to push there has been enough focus on

investigations against bill the hacking but not the social clinton as he's running against herbert walker bush and now it doesn't feel like the guiding media flungs operation. principle is the one that people who supported his nomination if they know minnesota, think it is. pennsylvania, wisconsin are >> at least what they said they places to focus on how many did thought his guiding principles they send in that may have worked. >> yeah, and paul butler were. it's a pattern of behavior, targeting black lives later, and everything you describe including the eiran-contra cover-up. in for a penny, in for a pound. hillary clinton only gets 88% of this creates the final brick in the vote, but do we actually is the cover-up, and the counsel at to pass laws telling american the time knew it was a cover-up. citizens that it should be so this really is who he is. illegal to cooperate with a i think he's kind of a fixer. foreign power? the other part of 1989 that tells us who this man is he was is that fallen. >> it was straight out of the willing to tarnish his play book. how do you win an election, you reputation. those saying he wouldn't do that, it would be his sell racial discord. reputation, he did it. it was so granular that they had he did it then and is doing it now. >> what is it he wants a different category for plaque ultimately, ultimate power for republican presidents?

>> i think that's a large part of it. lbgtq people. if there's maybe a border they're not making this up, they're getting this information principle, he wants ultimate power for the executive branch. from trump. he was giving them marching but that's not true either. orders on the day he made that speech. russia, if you're listening, i in 2017 he calls the mueller would sure like those 30,000 investigation in an interview missing hillary e-mails. with "the hill" on obstruction, those are the same day the he calls it asinine and he said mueller team tells us that for mueller is risking a political overthrow of the president. the first time they hacked that's what it's going to look like. this is not the kind of person hillary's private e-mail. that i think is -- it's about >> did they understand how dangerous this was and that it party and protecting the white could happen again? house. >> and as he had done, stated the president can go into another country and kidnap a foreign leader. >> that's right. >> chilling. i highly recommend this piece, "barr's playbook, misleading congress onyx parts -- on many >> right, russia attacked with information warfare, targeting parts in 1989." thank you very much for being candidates, and their aim was to here. we would like to take a turn and get trump elected. wish happy birthday to a friend they succeeded because trump of the show and "30 rock" melba helped them get away with it by denying the attack was happening. these are the essentials that we wilson, who had a little

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that does it for me today. see you tomorrow 10:00 a.m. eastern. alex witt has the latest.

alex, my friend, i know you have a big show today. a lot more on mueller and rod rosenstein? >> i do. he was in the room when it happened. >> yes. >> that will be coming up and you will be here tomorrow morning live, so we will worship at the altar of "a.m. joy." i don't think you should >> happy easter! i might wear a bonnet but i'm bring a impeachment proceeding not sure yet. >> all right, girl, we will see. unless you believe at the beginning of that proceeding, hi, en