>> how so? how does he look good all well, this isn't anything. seems to me that warren will be all alone out there on the hours it's the exact same thing they would get rid of hillary with. willing to say this guy ought to along. >> the republicans who alcohoca be impeached. >> just in the aftermath of the >> for now. i think they really do want to results. first off, after attorney see the unredacted report. general barr's letter and most they want mueller to come and and chanted lock her up, and testify. that's really key for them. recently after the full report posted pictures of her in an is out. but yeah, the political risk he will say there was no obstruction, no collusion, the democrats hate me, they're orange jumpsuit and yet he's been completely exonerated here is obvious, right? trying to undo a legitimately somehow. >> tell me. how many times did he answer i what do they think of having elected president. did not recall. that will help his base get it shows he's guilty when all of hearings all summer long, bringing out in great those around him were able to energized, not that they need help now, and perhaps help recall certain instances where he did have an influence. illustrative power all the charges against this president, others. >> he'll say -- >> 9 out of 10 republicans especially on obstruction. >> they think they can do that >> that's part of the political support trump, and nobody's calculation that pelosi and without launching impeachment others on the democratic side calling for his impeachment but proceedings. i believe the democrat party is >> but the subpoenas aren't who have to end up making this decision are having to confront. different. i'm not saying they're more going to be honored. moral on everything, but on i understand that the supreme >> are they going to confront court will honor subpoenas if governance, i think democrats take governance more seriously, him in 2020? and i think democrats, some of it's an impeachment exercise. the democrats are kicking the >> that may be the case, but for can down the road. them will come out against now i think they're treading hillary. >> they believe government can during the day the women be used to with health care. testified against clarence very carefully. if the shoe was on the other thomas, at night he got to testify. there's a power to prime time. foot, i think it's very obvious there's a power to being -- and shins the days of reagan >> the watergate hearings were

they would have launched they've gone out and said the impeachment proceedings a year in the afternoon. >> the house judiciary -- government's the enemy. so they don't want anyone who ago. >> she would get burned at the >> but i think to jeff's point, comes in office who doesn't put stake if she got help from the people in jobs or basically trump will do that no matter depopulates government or russians. >> we can play this game all day what. doesn't have an interagency if the democrats ask a single -- long. but i do think there's a great >> what's your bottom line? policy process. they're fine. they want to blow things up. opportunity. >> i'm saying they shouldn't be >> that's a game that should be guided by the fact he's going to they care about tax cuts and played by republicans because react that way. they should do, a, what's right, they should be honest with judges. >> and cashing out. but you don't have to call it themselves that this is pure >> with hillary we had 17 impeachment. you can go ahead and get the benghazi hearings, we had, you facts out there, telling the partisanship. >> it's black and white and in public the story -- let him say know -- writing. >> the e-mail. but if you put on the right type of hearings, i wouldn't call that. >> he can say that right now, >> i mean, donald trump with the them impeachment hearings. they're trying to get rid of me. >> there's a flip side. oversight hearings. in the judiciary committee, the there's a lot of talk about how enemy as it it was attacking the oversight committee. there's no appetite for >> who's going to watch that? impeachment, but a lot of united states and he had the >> you bring don mcgahn up, cory largest conflict of interest he democrats want to see the people that they elected in november covered up. hold trump accountable. he was working to get a deal with russia while talking putin that's what galvanized them. is a good guy. lewandowski, a lot of people are >> the subpoena power. those two things alone should outside of government who will everyone said we got to get the have to answer a congressional bother republicans. house back, pelosi has to get >> compare white water with the subpoena. >> jeff, i would do it as an moskow project. the gavel. so we have subpoena power. >> and he has his family members impeachment exercise because now they put up these weak working for him, which was there then the american people would subpoenas and they go, well, pay attention. maybe they won't honor them. biggest critique of hillary i would do it on prime time just >> if they don't launch

like we did with nixon. impeachment proceedings or if clinton saying chelsea could be they don't engage if what david in the white house and trying to run, and we've got jared and said, serious oversight hearings when mirror impeachment, then i think there's a risk that they ivanka -- >> it turns out ivuanka was at when the british with parliament, it's more serious. you sit down and watch these face, which is that the vote might actually be depressed come people testify and you got an 2020. >> vote now. the meeting, and imagine if it impact you don't get by reading about it in the paper. your thoughts? came out chelsea was meeting >> there would certainly be an philosophy versus straight news with the russians. impact, but people like nancy pelosi are thinking to what end? or commentator. i want a strict judgment right >> and the clinton foundation now. jeff, what would you call this was meeting with the russians. if you can't actually succeed in bout right now between the it was another salacious thing impeaching the president of the critics of the president, here. >> but also we see on twitter united states, is it worthageou including many in the main street press, the democrats, and every day now videos of lindsey thoughtful people, moderate republicans, and the president? graham and others who were as of saturday night, who's around during the clinton winning the fight of whether impeachment saying things if you trump is a bad president or not? lie that's impeachable, if you >> oh, man. i don't know. besmirch the office, that's all we need. we don't need a grand conspiracy i mean, i don't. i really don't. with a foreign power. >> that's why i asked the if you do something untoward, question because it's a tough one. then we can impeach you. who's winning right now? so here we are now not even >> i think it depend on what side you're on. if you look a little bit how the saying this is impeachable, they have their hands over their president's response evolved in ears, i can't hear this, i can't the last couple days that maybe the white house and the see this. republicans are not winning in the same way that in the first they refuse to recognize.

few hours after the report came i don't know how you read this report and walk away and think out they felt like they were. this man ought to be ipoffice. i mean, i was at the white house when -- >> i'm asking that question >> to go back to that, the because -- clinton foundation was the >> let me answer just with a biggest crux of i think scandal little bit more color. at the beginning of her candidacy because she was dealing with foreign governments >> donald trump happy this week and that was a tainted thing. saying we missed the bullet, we're okay. >> kellyanne conway was delighted at the very beginning. and now we look at this and you could easily point to this being a huge issue. that, i think, was representative of her boss because she's been spending the >> the total partisanship with morning with him. if you look at his tweets and which the right looks at this the hours after and the stuff. let me finish tonight because we have a few minutes. the next couple of months reaction, that has rented the between now and say the end of may we possibly will have downward. >> narcotithe democrats should y testimony by robert mueller of with the resolution because it's no worse than a tie for the the house judiciary committee by president. he's probably ahead. barr and look at the unredacted and so, we're not going to contest this any further, that version at least going to the means he won on the whole issue, committee to share whoever he two years of investigation. >> no, no. >> unless the democrats continue has to share with. and we have don mcgahn the president's lawyer. to, you know, conduct oversight is it your sense anything will of the president. unless they don't continue to be changed in a public, in a conduct oversight, then the democratic calculus not to president wins. impeach?

there's a calculation that they will they change? >> i don't know. have to keep making which is how i think to your earlier point, though, if it is televised i far do we push and at what point think they have to do something does this become an ethical because i think it will show that there was more than enough there there -- responsibility for us. >> john dean, he looks like a >> televised during the daytime guy who talked the truth to the or -- >> at night. president. i'm taking notes here, at nighttime people will sit at mr. president. home and watch. if he goes on television during two days of testimony before the >> listen, when michael cohen house judiciary committee, the testify it was during the daytime. and it got tremendous attention. networks will cover it. do you think that will sway opinion? >> i think there's not a lot of i think it's the nature of the hearing. opinion that's swayble. who you have up there, how you i think there's a very small margin of people now who aren't answer the degree -- if baked into their position. democrats can pull this off in a >> what is he waiting for? >> doing the right thing and mature -- people don't hold figuring out how to address the congressional hearings the way people who might be swayble, they used to. takes a little time. >> why don't they just let the i disagree with jeff a little bit. sorry, jeff. general counsel pick a general i think the last day was a reset in a way. counsel and have them ask the i think the president had gotten a bit ahead of his critics on

this issue. question -- >> that shows right there they no collusion became a mantra. were being influenced by him. >> you can call on donald trump, he had bill barr as his wing jr. and ivanka about the deal on man. as this report seeps into the consciousness of those who pay russia. they can't claim we work for the attention, they see the portrait white house. they're private citizens. of a president who lied >> i don't think they're coming. tremendously about the attack on >> well, if they don't come they this country, they're reminded have to plead the fifth. let them plead the fifth. the attack did happen, he lied show the american these about hi contacts, his business dealings and then they see him people -- >> the justice department just acting in some ways like a child yesterday said they're not going to respond to the request by the in trying to kill this thing. chairman of the house judiciary committee to give the unredacted >> right now? >> no, not report. >> right now after the report, report. he gave the verdict himself. they just said that's premature. the president said i won. >> get bill barr up to compare >> well, he's wrong. we're not going to judge this by what's in the report to -- well, what he says. fine. you no know-how this works. he's wrong. the impression now of trump is you've been up there. not answering the question sometimes makes you look worse. worse today than it was two days >> in the real world. ago. >> let's not forget also -- but not now. >> well, we'll see. >> sorry to jump in. that's reflected a bit in >> i still think they've got to go with impeachment because the polling as well. omtime the american people pay attention and get prime time

it showed it approval ratings dipped about 3% after that coverage of the big networks including here is impeachment. report came out. but i think the polling that we're going to have to watch is they want somebody else to do it, mueller's not going to do in those swing states that we all know for 2020 and the it. no, i want a verdict. independents and whether this thank you. tune in tomorrow night 9:00 p.m. affects their feelings. eastern here on msnbc for >> i don't see it moving. >> particularly some of those continuing coverage and analysis guys who voted for obama and then switched to trump. of the mueller report with ari is this a reason for them to melber. join me monday and every weekday swap back to democrats? that's the question. night at 7:00 p.m. eastern for >> the mueller report is not the be all end all of the alleged "hardball." there we are. we'll be back monday. ardball. wrongdoing. there we are we'll be back monday ♪ limu emu & doug mueller made 14 criminal referrals, there's an ongoing counterintelligence investigation, there's investigations going on in the southern district of new york, there are the hush money payments, the emoluments claws violations, all of these things if the democrats launched impeachment proceedings would be wrapped into one. they're in different hearings. >> you have a trial in november, fight over the tax returns, which is something i think real

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with mueller's redacted report out, president trump's legal troubles are far from over, of course. prosecutors are still investigating the alleged hush money payments and reportedly

money raised for husband inauguration, robert rogers still facing his trial, lawsuits tied to his hotel in washington. new york state investigating the trump foundation. then when it comes to mueller's investigation there's still 11 ongoing cases including michael flynn, rick gates, 14 cases transferred to other u.s. attorneys offices. i'm joined by former u.s. attorney new msnbc contributor barbara mcgood day, greg before our, former u.s. attorney and elliott williams, former u.s. deputy assistant attorney general. tell me what you think about life or if you're one of his real lawyers, ones that take notes, elliott, like don mcgahn, a real lawyer out there, what would you thinking would be where trump is exposed

post-inauguration say 21 or 25, but sometime in that midst when he's exposed as a regular person. what's he facing? >> you have to think of the things that would not have fallen within the statute of limitations, maybe ongoing offenses, some of the financial offenses might be seen to have gone on extended for years. i think all the stuff in new york potentially poses the biggest threat to the president. that's both the state attorney general and the southern district of new york, and not this d.c.-facing mueller investigation stuff. there's the bigger web of conduct connected to the foundation and the organization and the inauguration, which is one of the more recent things -- >> what happens if he's found guilty that you couldn't have a trial with a jury for the president of the united states? >> of course you would have a trial with a jury. with a sitting president or former? it's challenging because even subpoenaing a former president is challenging the times congress has tried to do it. you can. >> but nothing until he's gone? >> nothing bars it. >> do you see it that way?

what level do they go to, the prosecution? they bring an indictment while his president? >> i don't see it playing that way. this points to the fact i've been saying no president can have it both ways. a president can't be in effect immune from indictment while president, but at the same time thwart congress' ability to get all the information about his allegedly potentially criminal conduct. so as to inform their potential impeachment proceedings. so seems to me the way the constitution was intended to work is if a president can't be indicted while in office, congress, though, needs to be able to decide that if there's enough evidence to indict but for his status as president, impeachment is certainly in order and congress needs to have that ability. >> they asked the other day for the unredacted mueller report and they get the word back from the justice department. that's premature. who the hell -- the arrogance to say that's premature. >> it's not just about impeachment.

the oversight process can cause the president a lot of heart ache and actually expose a lot of information about the president and the wrongdoing and so on. the argument that, well, they wouldn't comply with congressional subpoenas but would with impeachment proceedings, i don't think that's accurate. >> i'm trying to find one reason that something will get done because i don't trust the court. barbara, if you were the president's lawyer, what would you spend your time to get ready on? >> the financial entanglements are what is likely to be the area where the president is most vulnerable. there was reporting that robert mueller obviously thought was beyond the scope of his investigation because it doesn't show up anywhere in his report unless it is part of the redacted material. but the idea of accepting money from russian businessmen, laundry money from russian organized crime, the overpayment on real estate to the tune of tens of millions of dollars, i

think that's the area where he could be the most vulnerable. it appears the southern district of new york continues to look at that, and i also think that state charges could be something that threatens the president. i don't think we're going to see any federal prosecutor charge the president while he's sitting, but this rule has never been testified in court. so you could see some state charge president trump and take that battle to the supreme court to get a definitive answer on whether a sitting president can be indicted. >> frank,ism fr i hear from a l people about the emoluments clause. you hear it from the most left-wing, hard-nosed people. they don't like a billionaire making money on the job. >> i mean, going back to your original question, let me answer that. everything's still on the table as far as what could come back to haunt this guy. i mean, he's the one thanks that he dodged a bullet and the bad behavior is not going to end. where's don mcgahn now?

who's going to save him from himself? when you look at the emoluments clause, even some things that mueller talked about in terms of the obstruction of justice or outstanding questions that are still out there as far as the conspiracy. everything is still an opportunity for him to step on it himself and to come back and bite him in the butt and haunt him as he goes forward. only two years through this administration, there's two more years for him to keep screwing up. >> frank, i like the way you talk because you talk like me. so let's talk about screwing up here. i'm thinking about manafort. manafort is going away for a long time even though he got somewhat of a break on two occasions. but he's an older guy and he's facing the rest of his life in the can. my question is, do you think he's holding back something that might be useful in terms of dare i say the word, collusion, conspiracy? >> conspiracy, in fact. in order to undermine our national security, our democracy, absolutely there's stuff there.

you know, the problem is, as it was pointed out in the report, that he still probably thinks there's an opportunity for pardon. let's look at the cigar bar situation where he's handing over that polling -- to kilimnik. there's an opportunity to make a charge there except for the fact that we don't know what kilimnik did with it. wishful thinking perhaps, especially because putin tries to kill everyone that tries to betray him. if someone from the russian side tells us what happened with the material, if we were to find something like that, yeah, we've got our conspiracy. there are a lot of indicators out there. i thought what the special counsel said about evidence, it wasn't that there wasn't any evidence, there wasn't specific evidence or enough specific evidence to make charges. but right after he says that, on page 9 of volume i there's also information about people lying. the reason why you can't prove a conspiracy is because there's a

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if democrats pursue impeachment, it would be up to the house judiciary committee to rule initially whose chairman already subpoenaed the justice department for the unredacted version of the mueller report. as we told you earlier, says the special counsel provided a road map for congress to investigate the president. that's the chairman of the judiciary committee speaking. with me is a member of the judiciary committee, congresswoman sheila jackson lee. congresswoman, i'm going to give you the time to illustrate your thinking on this. i'm a little skeptical. i think some members of congress are playing for time here.

they want to hear from mueller and barr and mcgahn. after all that is over in a month or so, are they ready, then, to move for a resolution of impeachment or not. i'm skeptical. no one is blowing the bugle in your leadership. your thoughts and reflections? >> chris, it's good to be with you. let me wish everyone a happy easter, to you in particular and those who are commemorating passover. happy passover. chris, you have been deliberating on this as we have. i would say to you this. it is no doubt we have received a road map just as ken starr thought he sent to the congress, republicans at that time dealing with mr. clinton and, of course, mr. jaworski who sent to the congress during watergate. the uniqueness of the time in watergate that there were republicans who felt that mr.

nixon had crossed the line, here's my thinking. i do believe we need to dig deep and dive deep into the lying, the representations that the president had his staff lie, the elements of obstruction of justice, public corruption, and abuse of power. with that in mind, i am hoping, here are my thoughts, again, that some republicans will acknowledge that this is a political process, impeachment, and that it will precede only when the american people see the congress moving in tandem around the question of whether this is the behavior of a president of the united states. that is what the republicans did not do for mr. clinton's accusations, which were not a matter of state. they didn't seek to have any support, didn't want any apparently. it did happen under watergate. so our responsibility in the house judiciary committee, i am one of three on that committee that were here for the clinton

proceedings. what we have to do is dig deep, have public and open hearings, and call witnesses. there are so many witnesses that we can call, some will come voluntarily. one of the the most important ones will be director mueller. we need to ask him questions on the record, was it the office of legal counsel's position that moved you not to proceed or an indictment of the president on the obstruction of justice, because he clearly said that he had no confidence, no confidence, or if he had confidence, that the president had not obstructed justice, he would have said so because he did not. we want to ask him under oath what was the moving reason that he didn't do it. what was the reason. we want to ask him whether or not he thought the president fully cooperated, and in the report it says we asked the president to speak to us openly, and lawyers presented his defense that it was a national security, that he couldn't speak

publicly. we asked him again, this is, of course, his team, the mueller team, and he refused to speak to them openly or under oath in a setting where they could ask questions. that did not happen on either of the issues. the only response the president gave only on the russian issue, not on obstruction of justice, was written answers to interrogatories. i believe our committee has an enormous opportunity, and i hope we do it in a bipartisan matter that they understand our duty and obligation. when we reach that point, i don't think there will be hesitation, but i for one am more able to deep dive, answer the questions, let them hear the testimony of people who will say that he or she was told to lie or he or she was told to get rid

of special counsel mueller and not tell anyone. all of that in the document. >> i like everything you said. i had the suspicious, though, that because the special counsel feels he's not authorized to indict, he believes, therefore, not morally thorauthorized to charge, it wasn't fair to charge somebody who can't clear themselves in court and it's up to congress to make these decisions. he made these references that everyone will, even under testimony, you ask him do all these cases you mentioned here obstruction of justice, do you believe they constitute criminal behavior, i'm afraid he won't say yes. he'll say i can't exonerate the president. i'm wondering if you think that would be sufficient to garner bipartisan action here.

>> chris, you raise a very good point. that may likely be his answer, but what he cannot deny, i don't think he would, is the words that were in the report. he cannot exonerate. the other that he might not deny, which is what the attorney general unfortunately misrepresented, is that he did refer this to the congress. so what is the congress authority? we are the only entity that can possibly address these circumstances. >> i agree. >> how do we address it? article 1. the provisions include the responsibility of impeachment or oversight. and so we have the responsibility to deal with high crimes and misdemeanors and abuse of power. with his testimony, and i hope with republican members of congress being in that room, that they would ask him sufficient questions that would

give them at least the belief that if no one in congress takes up the responsibility to uphold the rule of law, then who are we as a nation? what is the world seeing and understanding of our high principles of democracy? i'm sure i'm not the only member of congress that has been sent overseas to observe another election of a country of which we believe they can do better in their elections. i'm sure many members have done that. we do that and we take the call because they believe america has a pure sense of democracy and justice and free elections. if there are members on the other side of the aisle that cannot see from this 448-page document what has occurred in the administration or, in fact, from the questions that they may ask of director mueller, which i know he will not be able to disagree with his own words about lack of confidence and the fact that people lied in the

administration, then we are at a position where you may not be able to move this political process, which is impeachment. but if we are able to move it in that way where there is a bipartisan approach to this, then i don't think there will be any lack of courage to do what is right. let me be very clear. i'm going to say it publicly. this should not be a witch hunt against this president or attacking this president for the sake of doing so. but if we read in the depth of this document, get the supporting documents, recognize that there are 14 other investigations, i don't think we'll have any problem with looking at the facts and then coming to a fair conclusion as to what we're supposed to be and how we nurture and indicator to the very principles that are embedded in the madison papers that have to do with the sanctity of this office of the presidency and also the process of democracy. >> well said. by the way, i keep think of you and one of our predecessors,

barbara jordan. i know you worship her. but let me say something. one of the great advantages of the judiciary committee back with nixon, prime time, never underestimate timing. if you guys have hearings, if you people don't have on that committee don't seize the opportunity to grab prime time hours to talk to mcgahn, mueller, the entire country will watch you. i'm giving up my time for this. i'm telling you, prime time hearings by the house judiciary committee with robert mueller deserves prime time coverage. thank you, congresswoman. i guess your committee has to make those decisions, but timing is everything. the american people work during the day. at night they'll be watching. thank you. sheila jackson lee, the great congresswoman from texas. thank you. up next, nbc news reporting joe biden is finally ready to flow his hat into the ring. i don't know if he wears hats. we'll talk about him.

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joe biden's time as a potentially 2020 candidate seems to be coming to a close. nbc news reporting the former vice president is finalizing plans to launch his presidential campaign this week it looks like. he ran for the nomination in '88. joining me now to talk about it is joel pane, ashley pratt, nbcnews.com, conservative commentator. joe, we're hearing on nbc talking about wednesday. >> yeah. it looks like you're right. i think your setup was exactly right. this was the long windup. we've been waiting for him to make a decision of the i was interested in seeing the reporting that he didn't even make a decision as recent as a few weeks ago when he was in the middle of his whole, you know, kerfuffle with lucy flores. so it seems like the vice

president is really taking his time. i was talking -- >> but it worked for him. he got two weeks of distance from the stories that were not going to help him. >> i was talking to a political friend of mine and they were saying which biden are we going to get? like ali in the jungle versus foreman or ali versus ver bic in the bahamas? >> you're so cruel. how about joe biden pulling the ultimate upset at the age of 29, being a two-term senator, two-term governor, three-term congressman, beat a guy that was never going to get beaten. i think joe hasn't gotten over that. let me go to ashley. i think he's still operating from the principle and also because the tragedy that came to his family, losing his -- horrible traffic accident, it wasn't her fault, baby daughter killed. i think he thinks life is totally unpredictable, so why not try it again. >> he always sees himself as the

underdog who always comes out swinging because he's ready for a fight. that's what intriguing me the most about joe biden. as a former republican voter, he appeals to me. he's my first choice. i would love to work for his campaign if i could. he's one of those people who really can speak to blue-collar america, if we go to the suburban voters, that's what won trump the election and they always swing. if biden can get in the race, speak to them, stay focused, i really think that he has a fighting chance against trump. he's polling right now very high with women, which is shocking given the allegations. clearly it's not impacting him. >> how does he get out of the briar patch of the democratic primary fight. all these litmus tests. are you for full right of a woman to have an abortion whenever she wants basically, forget roe v. wade.

a lot of people are pushing for that, complete rights up to the women on abortion and decision-making. basically an open borders policy, you shouldn't arrest. a lot of people in the democratic party take a broad view of immigration. and the world socialism, are you comfortable having major leaders advocating a socialist manifesto out there? i'd probably hit all three of them, and biden is not going to be for abortion late term. he's on the record on, what's it called? >> the decision. >> late term abortion, yeah. he didn't do that. he didn't support that. also he's no socialist, but can he take those arguments into the streets starting next week? >> chris, i think ashley actually, her setup was so

interesting. she said as a former republican, she would want to work for him. that is not how joe biden is going to twin democratwin the d primary. i know he appeals to the moderates in the middle of the country, but he's got to get through a rough and tumble primary where you have booker calling for reparations. >> if he started talking like even kamala harris, she's not hard left, but she's over there. if he starts talking that tough, do you think people believe him, joe? >> i think people will not believe that he wants to run that kind of campaign. we know who joe biden is. he told you in his article he wants to run for the third term of barack obama. we have to figure out whether or not democratic primary voters want that right now. do they want a buttigieg? they want a complete change. it would completely be against voter history if voters go backgrounds. voters usually in this situation want to go forward and they want

something different. >> if we're going to move forward, we need to get rid of trump and the democratic party needs to think who's best to do that. if we want to win an election and beat donald trump, you need to take it to the suburbs. we need to think about messaging to their audience. >> do you know who's going to lose for sure against trump? >> i bet you have a guess. >> i have guesses, but i'm not sure. >> elizabeth warren definitely does. >> i mean, look, i'm not a big bernieite, but i wouldn't say he couldn't win. i don't know because the mood of the country on super wealth is really changing, so i don't know. >> i don't know if any of these candidates have really disqualified themselves. all the main top tier democrats have shown themselves to be people who could put up a good fight. elizabeth warren, cory booker, pete buttigieg, bernie sanders, joe biden, beto o'rourke, they could all plausibly beat donald trump. so i wouldn't say that biden is the only person that could win here. >> if you look at what happens with the democratic primary, we saw this with sanders and clinton, the issue there was

that sanders wasn't able to make it to the finish line because they stopped him from doing that. >> i don't agree with that. >> joe, if i were making bets, i would bet on kamala harris to place. you know why? because everybody i can think of who might win the nomination wants her on the ticket. >> she's got a good stake as anybody. joe biden love to approve he has the endurance to do this. i'm not sneaking coded language. not as much as his age as how will he fare on a debate stage with donald trump? >> the two will go toe to toe. >> one factor is who do you like. biden will win the like fight. >> who do you want a beer with? >> let's not forget that, he's run three times and it always hasn't been the easiest thing. i was there in 2008. i got to see a lot of those speeches. vice president biden is limited

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