right -- newsletter. that does it for me. "morning joe" starts right now. >> the president tweeted morning "i have never been happen why are or more content because your country is doing so well." >> happy people always tell you how happy they are, much like smart people who always tell you -- >> i went to an ivy league college, i was a nice student, i did very well, i'm a very intelligent person. >> i'm so happy and i'm so smart. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it's a happy day, monday, april 22nd. by the way, it is earth day. >> and i'm happy. >> better be.

>> with us is jonathan lemire. adrienne is with us -- >> happy. >> and john meacham, and -- >> i'll just say we're very happy he's here. a lot to talk about this morning. >> we kick off the week following a number of important headlines, including the aftermath of the easter bombings in sri lanka. hundreds dead. we'll get an update on the investigation. plus there's a new name in the race for president. congressman seth moulton is the 19th democrat and fourth member of the house to jump in.

and ukraine elects a new leader with an unusual resumé. >> i'll say that. >> yeah. what it means for in a very complicated part of the world. >> by the way, can i just tell you that despite the president as angry as he was, both the president and his aides want to tell you that they're happy. i think this shows resilience and i think it shows the sort of can-do attitude needs to have even after one has been found guilty in a report when found guilty of obstruction of justice and information that he directed his white house attorney to fire robert mueller, which michael

gaetz ga-- he said he wouldn't . and also, of course, they kept telling -- trump kept telling key figures basically encouraging people not to tell the truth time and time again. you had corey lewandowski letting pop know that mule are h -- mueller had to be fired and he's still very happy despite a report that's actually really devastating, will destroy his legacy for good. we would go to john hapmeacham act about the himself tostorici. and the president's ratings once

again dropping, in the 40s. >>. >> his claim of total exoneration seem to be ringing hollow with the public. the polls show the president's approval dropped to a new low for this year. >> a new low? it's even lower than it's been? >> yes. >> the ipsos/reuters poll found trump's job approval has sunk to 37%, down 6 points below where it was, 56% disapprove,s th tha trump's worst performance in over a year. >> and yet he's a can-do sort of fella, his chin stays high, he

never tweets negatively. >> president trump spent the weekend at his florida club trying to project he's happy and calm, yet his anger over the mueller report continued to boil over in public view. the white house took the rare step of releasing photos of the president with radio host rush limbaugh on trump's golf course. >> happy. >> unusual since they typically don't even confirm he's playing golf during his frequent visits to golf properties. the president later retweeted his director of social media, the guy who used to run his club, who wrote, i am with the president at the southern white house. i have never seen him happier. >> see, he's happy. >> trump then sending that message himself, quote, i have never been happier or more content -- >> but what did he do all weekend? >> well, he continued to fume over the 448-page mueller report, alleging he has been

historically mistreated. while aides and allies went on television to dispute the report of trump's reaction when he learned the special counsel had been appointed, when he said, quote, oh, god, this is terrible, this is the end of my presidency. >> i've been by donald trump's side uninterrupted for three years practically now, i have never heard him this is the end of my candidacy, the end of my presidency and we've been in some pretty tough situations together. in a is n that is not the way he speaks. >> i've been next to trump, i've never heard him be debbie downer. so anybody who says he's said my presidency is over is an absolute liar. >> it's almost as if they're reading talking points sent out by somebody -- >> they would never do that on fox news.

>> an innocent man does not screech and complain and wine all weekend. the remarkable thing is, john, sarcasm aside, this just shows how incapable this president is from doing anything that's not just on the front of his mind. he's been very angry all weekend. it wasn't in his best interest politically to show that anger and he just can't help himself. >> it's almost as if someone at mar-a-lago said you know what would really make them all mad is if you were happy. and he said, yeah, i'm happy. what continues to be so striking

is -- and this is not sarcastic at all, and i genuinely don't understand it, is given his level of support with those that are inclined to support him, with his base, why there has never been from the moment he moved from escalator to plausibility as a candidate and then ultimately to the presidency of the united states, why he's never been able, forget the national trrinterests, i'm being that my naive but why he never able to see his self-interest would be served by say 25% of normalville, follow 25% of the street signs, you don't have to follow them all, but where's the infrastructure bill, where's the prescription drug reform, why not figure out a way to get that 37 back to 47

or even 50. and he just insists on living in the bubble that you saw with rush and you saw there with conway and lucorey lewandowski. i think we understand why he got elected, that's about populism, about unease, what ten presidential elections, clinton or bush was on 80% of the tickets, okay, we get all that. but why no concession to, no acceptance of the topography of normalcy that would benefit him. i don't understand that. >> in a that is the great myste mika and me who have known the man for over a decade and have seen him.

and still people are surprised when they can see he can be a normal man. hillary clinton said he's a fun guy. hooves friends with democrats. he was friends with schumer and all of them and dealt with them. so that has been the great mystery. likewise, the great mystery to me, on a weekend like this weekend, the mule aeller report released, but he dodged the bullet, dodged the legal bullet, so why not at least be happy or play happy and stay off of twitter. we're not just talking about him doing something this weekend that impacts the polls and maybe would help hmm two or three points one way or the other, this is more about the central

mystery of donald trump as a politician and why he does things, again, not on that are against the american interests but he is consistently doing things that are against his own political interests and drives those closest to him inside the white house crazy regardless of what they say on fox news. >> why don't we do some literature, how about some el elizabethan. he has scottish ancestry. he is macbeth presumably. he feels guilty or henry iv. he's someone who feels he has done something illegitimate to win power and instead of boldly moving forward, he is obsessed with that past.

maybe that's wrong but it's as plausible as anything else it seems to me. >> it's pretty remarkable what's been happening. mika, we've talked about this being the central mystery of the trump presidency from the very beginning, that he is a day trade trader and has steadfastly refused to do anything to get him to 50%. you're looking right now at the only president in modern history who has never hit 50% in the polls. and the reason he has never hit 50% in the polls, mika, is because he has chosen not to. he's chosen to continue to play small ball and be as divisive as any other president. yes, we can sit here and talk about how it's bad for constitutional norms and democracy, but at the end of the day personally it's bad for his

own presidency and political brand when he could make choices that get him into the mid 40s, maybe even up to 50%. >> and let's not underestimate the lying and the day trading and the manipulating of the truth and the implications it has on this country. we can't be dower 24 hours a day, but i feel it every time i watch the news or read the paper and listen to the way he is acting, kellyanne, sarah sanders, everyone in this administration who shills for this president, acts like lackeys for this president, lies for this president. this is not normal and my daughters, who this is the first presidency they're witnessing first hand, this is really bad. and rudy giuliani went on tv continuing to manipulate the truth, arguing that talking to

the russians and that whole thing, no big deal. take a look. >> the russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systemic fashion. do you and the president accept that as a fact? >> we do. there's no reason not to accept it. >> and the president accepts it as well? >> i'm sure he does. >> so it is now okay for political campaigns to work on stole i don't know material from foreign adversaries? >> it depends on the material. it depends on where it came from. you're assuming the giving of the information is a campaign contribution. read the report carefully. the report says we can conclude that. >> you would have accept information from russians against a candidate if you were running in the presidential election? >> i probably wouldn't. i wasn't asked, i would have advised just out of excess of

caution doesn't do it. >> but you're saying there is nothing wrong with doing that. >> there's no crime. >> i'm not talking about crime. >> woe're going to get into morality? >> yeah. >> that's not what prosecutors look at, morality. >> thanks, rudy. proud of you. >> what do you think about one of the president's top advisers that it's okay to get stolen material from russia but for republicans, this sets the precedent. they are now saying it's okay for bernie sanders, if bernie sanders decided to get stolen material and, you know, from china about mike pence, that would be okay, or elizabeth

warren, it would be okay to get hacked material from the iranians and use it in an election. this is bizarre, is it not? there is no justification for that, is there? what national security concerns does this raise for you? >> well, let me start by kind of going all john meacham. if he's going to raise the specter of macbeth, you have to pull the approximate line out of it that life as yet a tale of sound and fury told by an idiot signifying nothing. we feel rear arriving at that point. and here's the national security concern, joe, is this idea that it's okay. not everything has to rise to a level of criminal behavior before it starts to threaten our national security. norway to put that is if this is not against the law, we ought to

pass a law to make sure it doesn't happen, although we shouldn't have to do that. the question is what should we be doing in the wake of the mule are report in addition to the political questions you unpack so well here. we ought to do a reveal in showing the world what happened and how we were attacked if even more detail than was in the report and reforming our defense of ability to push this back in the sogs networks, hardening or electoral system and lastly and most controversially, joe, we ought to be thinking about retaliate. what are the sanctions we are to place on russia now that we've seen the full spectrum here. in is a striking moment of national security. we need to be doing all of those things if we're going to avoid a repeat of this going forward. >> and we found out even in florida that the russians were able to hack into some -- in our

home state, some hacking in the swing state of florida. jonathan lemire, the easter rising of the boston red sox. not an irish rising but the boston red sox swept the race this weekend. >> jesus no longer has a monopoly on easter weekend comebacks, joe. >> just stop that. it was three wins. they got a good start. they showed some fight, a couple ninth inning rallies. >> now to your reporting. what can you tell us about this president who is actually raging on twitter, very angry behind the scenes and yet has the staff members coming out telling everybody how happy he is. >> his attempt to label message

"i'm happy" doesn't really work. the president has been telling people according to our reporting over the last week and over the weekend at mar-a-lago, hoose very upset about the depictions of the report and in particular, he's upset at his aides, who cooperate with the mueller report. >> who told the truth. >> that's right. it's a shift in legal strategy that we saw from the white house legal advisers that has led to this moment, that initially with thai cobb and john dowd, the plan was cooperate with mueller, do your interviews, turn over documents with the hopes of wrapping this up quickly. ty cobb suggested it would be over by november '17, he was off by about a year and a half. when the president realized what a threat this was to him,s that when they started to shift gears and decided to stone wall and went on the attack, both publicly, over on twitter, we

saw giuliani act as a human smoke screen to try to detract and bring down bob mueller's approval ratings and we saw a real effort to keep the president from doing an in-person interview. on the one hand the president still is furious with those who did cooperate with mueller. even though there weren't criminal charges in the mueller report, it paints the picture of a chaotic white house, of a white house where the president gives unth call, if not illegal orders and white house aides ignore him. and weep also see giuliani on the sunday shows again tossing out sort of statements like it's okay to teake information from the russians, by the letter of the law in this report, it was not concluded to be criminal but

what sort of moral example does this give? this is the president of the united states and within of his top aides suggesting not just a foreign power but a foreign adversarial power is an appropriate source to get campaign information. >> again, what will republicans say in the future if a democratic candidate, let's say kamala harris, gets information from the iranians who is hacked the phones and the campaign offices of mike peps, mika. in a is actually the press didn't they are setting up, by saying it's okay to get stolen information by foreign adversaries, that's exactly what's being set up. it's obviously a dangerous step. but, you know, you look at this report and the reason the president's raging is because he -- >> it exposes him. >> he's been exposed as a liar. he runs around screaming fake news and a lot of his more stupid supports are like it

repeat that fake news, especially as it pertains to this and yet you look inside the report, it's not the news media that is pushing fake news. it's donald trump because it's his own staff members. again, before you shout fake news at somebody, friends, read the report. you will find that everything that donald trump said was fake news ended up being true. look in the report and you'll actually see that it was his own staff members that have yourified -- verified one news story after another news story. of course the buzzfeed story about christopher steele, that was inaccurate. but so many other stories -- the stuff that made him look the

worst as related to the investigation ended up being true. >> senator elizabeth warren said it's time for impeachment hearings. it began with tweets friday which slammed trump's disloyal behavior which she said it demands congress do its meeting and initiate impeachment hearings. she said i get a lot of folks say this is politically charged, democrats shouldn't go here, just stay away from it, there's an election coming up but there are some things bigger than politics and this is one of them. while warren believes impeachment is the right course of action, many of her fellow presidential contenders have been more cautious. senator kamala harris told reporters she wants to hear from mueller before passing judgment. >> would you support impeachment

proceedings to begin? >> i believe that there is room for that conversation, but right now what i want is i want mueller to come before congress to testify. there is no question that there is good reason to believe that there was an obstruction of justice by this president. there's no question. >> so adrienne elrod, it's hard to come forward with questions about this report without looking political obviously. having said that, there is so much in that report that exposes this president and raises legitimate questions about his unfitness for office, about his cavalier behavior with the truth, about his lackeys about he is lawyer just getting up and leaving because he's not going to do crazy you know what.

this president has a lot to answer for in in report. where do democrats -- what do they do next to make sure that they tamp down the political but step up on the moral andth fran duty to step up for the country? >> mika, i think you just answered your own question. congress does not have a c this incredible road map. it is now in the hands of congress. congress has a constitutional authority to look into this and to frankly make sure that future candidates for president and future presidents do not conduct this type of behavior anymore. i think we can walk and chew gum at the same time. i understand democratic candidates for president don't want the narrative to be all people, they want to focus on the issue, health care, jobs, the economy, that can be done. at the same time congress can look into these issues. we simply have no choice. when i saw giuliani's comments

yesterday making it clear that, sure, maybe material that might be permissive, that's something that candidates will have to build in. you'll have to determine whether or not donald trump, should he be the republican nominee, will be using stole i don't know material from a foreign government as part of his campaign strategy. in a is insane when you really think about this. the only way in a we can stop this from happening in the future, mika, is to make sure congress takes action, obviously by passing a law to make sure that this does not happen again but also to look into the mueller report. it is their responsibility, if you take politics out of the equation and you sympathy look at fact in a congress is the last standing ntity that can look into this and mack sure

this does not happen again, it creates a far more clearer picture. >> rudy giuliani, by the way, didn't stop with those comments on making information from the russians. as president trump was professing his happiness, the ex-mayor was acknowledging his boss's anger. he explains why the commander in chief is far more furious at a former staffer than he it at the president of russia. oh yeah. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. orning joe." we'll be right back. when i found out that my mom had breast cancer,

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three churches in different cities across the country and three luxury hotels popular of tourists in the capital. a local radical group is said to be behind the attacks. nearly 300 people were killed in the attacks and more than 500 were injured. sri lanka's foreign ministry says the bodies of at least 27 foreigners have been recovered. secretary of state mike pompeo says several u.s. citizens were among those killed. according to the associated press, police in sri lanka say the investigation into yesterday's bombings will look into reports that the intelligence community failed to detect or warn of possible suicide attacks before the violence broke out. police say 13 suspects have been arrested so far. >> so, admiral, we read these reports this weekend and sri lanka during the civil war sort

of became the masterminds of using those suicide vests. we saw that on full display this weekend. what can you tell bus sri lanka, its tortured history and what to be concerned about in these attacks? >> think of this as kind of terrorism 3.0 emerging, joe. you and i are old enough to remember the 1970s, 80s, terrorism 2.0 is al qaeda. 3.0 is what you're seeing now. i think we're going to found this is the islamic state and it's going to be very disenfranchised. it will be all around the globe. it's kind of like when brick and mort aar stores go away, that's okay but now they're going to

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where even bin laden and al-hiri and we find ourselves possibly in the next phase of terrorism. >> to me, is terrorism like the poor, as jesus said, always with us? and if there's what is the coun terror strategy after the bush doctrine, after you destroy the safe havens and disenfranchise them, you disburse them, there's a terror diaspora but it's still terr terror. so what do we do? what's the smart strategy? >> i'll tell you, john, three things, we ought to be thinking internationally, just as we try and deal with other global problems in medicine, in health,

dealing with pandemics, this is an international effort. secondly, interagency, our organs of government have to work to the far more closely if we're going to defeat this. and, thirdly, here's the long game. it's private-public cooperation, addressing the underlying challenges, you need all three of those if you're going to deal with this as it emerges. >> sri lanka's government said it should down several social media services, including facebook and the what's up app. officials blocked the platforms out of fear that misinformation about the attacks and hate

speech could spread and provoke more violence. >> i thought it was interesting -- >> very interesting. >> in the news reports this weekend, there were reports of not only this sort of violence, sectarian violence and religiously focused violence in sri lanka, but also across the entire region and they were listing the causes but one of those causes was the rise in paranoia among groups that was fanned by misinformation spread across social media. that wasn't coming from the government. that was coming from reports are that were trying to explain why this sort of killing is going up in southeast asia. >> coming up, we're going to bring in the university of pennsylvania professor who has been warning about how russian hackers and trolls helped elect a president. what the mueller report confirmed about her findings next on "morning joe." ♪

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center at the university of pennsylvania, professor kathleen ham jam hall jamison, the author of "cyber war -- how hackers helped elect the president" and, cory, it's good to have you both. the president's attorney general proceeding to go on television in the wake of the mueller report and say it's okay to talk to russians. there was so much exposed in this report in terms of manipulating the truth and actively trying to figure out whether they could win some other way. what do you make of the response at this point, you have elizabeth warren calling for impeachment and others still waiting. there are so many things in this

report that go against everything that this country based upon, what do you make about the reaction and the continued manipulation of the truth? >> first, the reaction is deflecting attention away from a question on which we should focus. the mueller report confirms that the interventions were sweeping and potentially large enough to affect the outcome and it also confirms the d.c. leaks, the front-runners for the russians gave them exclusives to incentivize the hacked content. my research suggests the hacked contact as used by news changed the news agenda in a way that was potentially consequential. we also learned that paul manafort had given polling data to konstantin kilimnik, but we learned he may have shared the

battleground states of focus for the trump campaign. those weren't widely being reported on in the press and they weren't the focus of hillary clinton kaes c's campai wisconsin, michigan and potentially minnesota. although mueller doesn't know if that information was passed to the russians why it is trolls were engaged in minnesota and there's a blockbuster that deserves intense scrutiny. it suggests through spear fishing, the russians managed to access potentially voting information in one county in florida. let's take a look at that county and see whether there are voting anomalies, whether there are any problems with registration that are unusual. >> mayor giuliani's defense yesterday, if russia is involved and you took information, it's legal, he didn't do anything wrong. volume two is the idea of

obstructio obstructi obstruction. even though attorney general barr made a ruling they did not find this is obstruction, what could congress do to reopen this idea? could impeachment proceedings be on the horizon and what sort of danger does this pose to the president after he leaves office? >> i think this is a road map, directions for congress of what to look in. their standard is different than the criminal standard. they're going to ask whether or not the president has committed high creams p crimes and misdemeanors. they don't have to prove he obstructed justice beyond a reasonable doubt. they have to ask whether he so undermined the office that impeachment and removal are merited. in my view the question really is did he faithfully, cute the laws? that's the role of the president. article 2 says that and it says he has to faithfully execute the office. and obstruction of justice is the opposite of that.

constitutionally i think that has been met. you asked what other dangers are there. the pop who thought the president should be removed after -- alexander hamilton prosecution after removal for a criminal president. >> john meacham. >> professor jamison, two quick questions. one is i'm at a loss for an analogy for what happened in '16 outside of some third reich of interference in 1940, which was fairly de minimis by comparison. so is there anything in the past we can look to? and, secondly, do you have any for the kinds of issues you're talk about, is there someone in congress who seems to get it and lead an effort here?

political reform is difficult. >> there is no analogy that i know of. in the past when content was illegally gotten by one side, it was turned over to the fbi and as a result there wasn't subsequent use. in past elections when there was an attempt to engage in alternate election dialogue, obstruction of justice released a tape one time, it happened out in the open news accounts and was looked at at. one of the questions is what can we learn about what is unique about this situation and how we ought to address it. >> any heros who might be a leading reformer? >> i'm looking to the senate intelligence committee, to senators burr and warner. they have been not partisan, impartial in the ways in which

in presented information to the country and avoided the partisan back and forth and the questions they've asked in their committee are important and they are going to at some point give us what they know. i hope among other things they have figured out how extensive the targeting was and how extensive the reach was. no one has been able to answer the question what was the effect of the russian interconventions. we can't be certain of the effect but we can say the troll context was extensively disseminated. if past elections activities that were comparable in level forecast the effect here, then those changes in the media agenda of them services were sufficient enough to swing the vote. i'm looking to senate intelligence to give us additional information that will help us answer the question what happened and what can we do to prevent a recurrence.

i think we need to focus intensively on our state's voting systems and make sure they're protected. this new information about florida is disturbing. >> you say people should have, that's the proper course congress should take going forward. how would you structure this process going forward? >> i think they have to get even clearer on the question of obstruction of justice. we have ten instances where the president possibly obstructed justice and they should delve into that. i think also the question is broader of impeachment. one question is whether or not the president violated the criminal law, but there is no criminal law category of high crime. it's a much broader idea of whether the president did or did not so demean the office that piechlt are merited. things like whether or not the president has been hostile to values of rngs freedom and the muslim ban. i want to see focus on the

possible crimes here and also crimes of intelligence. even if the president didn't cooperate with the russians sufficient to justify indictment on conspiracy, he still height have been negligent to such an effect that he sfafailed to do t affirmative thing of protect the american people and the constitution. the oath of office calls on the president to preserve, protect and defend the constitution and he certainly failed to do so here. >> thank you both so much for being on the show this morning. >> coming up, another democrat jumps into the already crowded 2020 presidential race. congressman seth molten is out with a new campaign video ahead on "morning joe." n video ahead on "morning joe. ♪

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now in the running for the presidency. there are so many candidates and so many are good potential candidates, what lane does he have? >> i don't really see a lane for him. i do like seth moulton, he's to an extent a rising star in the party but i'm not sure this is his time. his home state senator elizabeth warren is already in the race. that detracts from support he might get in massachusetts. secondly, we've got 18 people running so far, his name i.d. is low, i'm not sure he can raise the funds he needs to raise. and third, probably the biggest detractor from souteth, he trieo take on pelosi and keep her from being speaker of the house. that really inc.erred democrats and women out there there. i'm not sure saet really has a

lane when it comes to running for the presidency this time. >> thank you. and the trump administration is set to announce new sanctions on countries importing iranian oil. secretary of state mike pompeo is expected to announce the move later today. the sanctions will begin on may 2nd and are expected to impact five large countries, including china and india. what do you make of this move and explain the context. >> before i do that, just two very quick points on the previous conversation about social media. >> sure. >> because it's important. one is peter singer's book, "the weaponization of social media" is very powerful on this. the second is we should be looking at how france under emmanuel macron has been handling this.

in terms of iran, i think the administration is taking roughly the right approach here. we've seen secretary pompeo say we're not trying to regime change, what we're trying for is behavioral change on the part of the iranians. i think the sanctions move in the right direction. the big muscle mover, as you pointed out, are going to bendia and watch for india ultimately to come along. china, on the other hand, this is going to be part of the mar-a-lago conversation. it going to be have hard to and so big situation unpackaged ahead of us. war for mar-a-lago and what comes out of kpn xi trump.

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>> i'm so happy. >> donald trump -- >> that's perfect. that was good. >> welcome back to "morning joe." it's monday, april 22nd. we have white house reporter for the associated press, jonathan lemire. >> i want to see that again. >> we also have at john meacham, national security expert and columnist and author of "the death of expertise," tom nichols and white house bureau chief at the "washington post" and analyst for msnbc news phillip rucker and an msnbc political

analyst zerlina maxwell. >> president trump wants you to know he's in a great mood. the president tweeting this morning i have never been happier or more content because your country is doing so well. >> i'm so happy, i'm so happy. >> that is donald trump of course. tom, you of course -- that's how you look when you're class gives you led zeplin albums as a parting gift at the end of a semester. your latest opinion piece issin titled "mueller report: donald trump failed us as a commander in chief." you write as president trump has steadfastly accepted his responsibility to do anything

about this assault on our institutions. this is a dereliction of duty. and it continues even now. donald trump is the president and the kmanter in chief until congress or voters say he is not but nothing will ever chance the fact that robert mueller has dragged into the light one of the greatest and darkest stains on a president in u.s. history. i read your comments this weekend that going back over the mueller report, the first part of the report as you go through it, you are still so shocked by everything that you're reading and yet donald trump, rudy giuliani, a lot of his cronies and let's just face it, a lot of low information voters are running around just shouting "no collusion" and feeling good about themselves when they're completely ignorant of what robert mueller actually found. >> volume one is a nightmare,

for anybody who studies foreign policy and particularly in my case studying the russians, it's compelling reading because you can't stop. i mean, it's just such a ghastly accounting of how the administration was more than happy to think the russians were trying to help them. nobody calls the fbi, nobody alerts intelligence community and they're trying to figure out -- this is the part that the people who are defending the administration keep ignoring, they're trying to figure out who make this work and the only reason they're off the hooks is because either they covered their tracks or my favorite part it have is when mueller decides that some of them were too stupid to understand how ghastly and how illegal it was what they were doing. so i think the people out there saying this means no collusion

and means the president is cleared and everything's right, i think you're right, this haven't read it but it doesn't matter. the narrative on this was already set by attorney general barr. >> it won't matter, of curse and use them against reb candidates be then. >> that's tragically the politics -- the political reality. and there's a politics of hypocrisies that an ambient reality for american leitch at this point. tom, i wanted to ask you, do you have any sense of how all of this is being viewed from moscow? >> yeah. the russians have put -- already put out a response. their rebuttal came out faster than the white house's. and the russians have of course

labeled all of as just hysteria and russia phobia and russia bashing but they're laughing. this was mission accomplished for putin and his circle to sow chaos in the american electoral system. this is part of why i wrote the piece, no matter how all of this turned out, once the mueller report is in, the commander in chief should instead the president is acting look a man who has a will the more to hide. >> president trump as claims of poet al exoneration seem to be ringing hollow with the public as a poll finds in the wake of the mueller report's release, the president's approval rating dropped to a new low for this year. the poll conducted thursday and

friday found trump's job approval has sunk to 37%, down six points from where it was just after attorney general and worst performance in in poll in more than a your. jonathan lemire, what do you think is striking people? i don't think folks across mrk are sitting there reading it word for word and doop or don mcgann just getting up and leaving because he's being asked to lie and do things that are totally inappropriate, these are stories that resonate, don't they, they you have a white house gnaw can't believe? >> i think there are some top lines that have broken through, even if americans aren't poring

word after word of and it prael lays bare of what this white house and presidency is, a president who has asked his advisers time and time again to lie for him, to break the law or come very close, who only because her lie that fbi agents were unhappy with james comey. we're glass that he was fired. these are thanksgiving that perhaps as did content and unhappiness with how this president is conducted. this report explains that. we've read books about

behind-the-scenes stories about what happens in the west wing. this is plain as day. has to are people who work for the president, who are quoted by name, information cited to them and i think that's really resonating with people. as a final point, what we saw from mayor giuliani over the weekend, suggesting it would be okay to accept information from russians, seems to be creating a new standard here. that if it's not indictable, it's okay opinion i think more than that from their politics. >> my goodness, certainly not what he said about interesting p sarah huckabee sanders and lying more importantly to the prn people, continued lying about what fbi agents had told her, lied for two days straight about

it, about what fbi agents had h. putting word in and of corse she want to it after report comes out, she goes back on fox news and begins lying again about the lie that she got caught in. that's happened time and time again. it happened with the president and don mcgahn. it just continued. of course president trump is is telling us he's like eric cartman on the water ride. he's happier and more content than ever. but this weekend he lashed out at republican senator mitt romney after romney expressed concerns about the findings and the redacted mule are report.

he the bess of government can move on. he went on to say i am sisened at the extent and pr in the high evident office of the. "if mitt romney send the same energy fighting barack obama as he does fighting donald trump, he could have won the race (maybe jks!" . >> barack obama will be re-elected president of the united states. >> the president of the united states of america, donald trump.

>> you know, phil rucker, it's interesting that -- and i'm sure you've heard the same thing that i've heard and other reporters have heard, republicans talking just like mitt romney did this weekend privately. they all say what mitt romney said publiclypublicly, except t is privately whispering to each other and the reporters. it's so important to understand that mitt romney is the only one who will say is publicly and is saying exactly what his kol oogs in the nate nat is, there as no call to action from in fact, hoose sort of saying his piece,

talking about how sickening he found his behavior but in many respects hoping to move on here and get to governing on many of these issues. there is not a willingness on the rab laddership on capitol hill to pursue this issue of russian election interference and trump's obstruction of justice any further and that's sort of the cold political reality this morning. >> you know, and, tom, that is a sad political reality for former republicans like yourself and me. i mean, i had james fellows ask this weekend on twitter what would i have done if i were in congress. i said, first of all, couldn't have ban republican because they've sat by doing nothing other the past two and a half years. but let's assume it's 1999.

it's simple. there's no a single republican who will speak out against the horrors contained in this report. >> and there is a track record of this. republicans that came to nixon and said it's time to go, the senior officials in the republican party went to nixon. that's not going to happen. and romney timidly pokes up out of the gopher hole and say i don't like this. he gets this form of criticism

from the president and where are the republicans? it's in the process of destroying the republican party and the conservative movement with it. >> zerlina maxwell, what do democrats have to do? >> i think they have to ensure the american people are getting the message from the the top lines of this report. you cannot read volume one come away from any other word other than portrayal. it's a deportrayal the country. absolutely have to set the stage. removing the president is a pro-step process make it almost impossible to get 67 votes. this doesn't man impeachment proceedings or at least hearings

that all, they're not going to have time to read 448 pages but they may get some of this necessary information from open hearings that go to the heart of the matter. you cannot use foreign help to win an election. that's what happened here. and i can't as a hillary staffer stop thinking about the word cheating. that's the word that has been in my mind all weekend. it just doesn't seem fair that you would take help that is not allowed and then win the electoral college. >> jonathan lemire, i want to go back to the conversation about sarah sanders and ask the question where does the media go from here? what is the guidance? what is the editorial guidance? because she didn't just go on fox and double down on her lie, she was on abc with george stephanopoulos and she spent six

minutes saying, you know, i really actually just used one wrong word and she lied about her lie that under oath she s admitted to. but for us, the media, the journalists do we interview sarah huckabee sanders? what happens to briefings, if they ever come back? where do we go with a situation like this? >> this is another example of how this white house is different from all those that have come before it. not to say there are other press secretary who is have shaded the truth or omitted stuff. but we didn't see the outright falsehoods and outright lies. not just the media, but the american public is to rely on the white house normally as an authority of truth where you can believe and trust in your government. i do think it creates a tricky situation going forward.

it's the same with kellyanne conway where she's gone on television and given falsehoods and does she deserve air time. we would look to have her come back to the podium and be able to ask her questions. >> but that's why we don't have kellyanne on because it's literally 20 minutes of lies. >> i was watching -- i don't understand why anybody would have sarah sanders on if they know she's going to lie and

kellyanne conway, if they know they're going to lie. again, this isn't opinion, it isn't subject of, it is objective. you can stack their words up against words they've used in the past and they just lie and they do it openly and if they would like to get angry about that, we'd be glad to run clips all day tomorrow showing their lies. but the same thing with rudy giuliani. the host was asking him things and he was saying things that were objectively false. if you're going to interview him, why don't you call him out on every lie as they're moving forward? i don't understand. that's not even-handed journalism. that's just allowing a propagandist to come on and tell knowable lies. >> yeah. i was thinking about that this

weekend, too. there was a publisher out in colorado i think the denver post name palmer hoyt, who during the mccarthy era raised the question of why should newspapers, the central vernacular of the time, why should newspapers simply report what a united states senator says if there is no evidence for it and if there's a plausible case this wasn't true. and mccarthy, mayor jewel an gis doing his best to do his roy cohn impress yesterday, mccarthy understood when afternoon and morning papers went to press, he would make outlandish no isish announcements and pronouncements

before nip had a chance to check them. this guy hoyt in denver said perhaps we need to do functionally what so many places are doing now, the fact checking. do you put what he says in a particular place and assess its validity? we're way past that point. we we should certainly be doing that. to what, at any time is this trumpian universe of -- not even myths, it's an insult to myths, the lying reality and to what extent is it shaping the culture? there's something really disturbing about the fact that so many folks in the country are comfortable with this level of dishonesty. as i think about it, i suspect

there are two reasons. one is most of the members of your former party have decided that tax cuts and supreme court justices are worth it. then there's kind of the base of trump folks who are realicultur alienated from people who sit around and talk like we do on television and they don't want to be told what to think and it's created a really disturbing moment. >> i don't want anybody to think the way i tell them to think. i want them to read torq, to go google, to be educated to facts. and if -- if that is elitism, if somebody considering that to be

elite i elitism, you're in really sad shape. i'm just asking that they read facts, they go to their computer, their google machine and see what actually is the truth not fact news, the testimony of people who have worked for the president and actually read the information and then draw your own conclusions. i will say, mika, i don't think reporters should have white house staff on who repeatedly lie. they should have trump supporters on and there is a way to thread the needle to look at the report and say there are some things in there that are

very devastating. robert mueller didn't find he committed a crime, it's time to move forward. those are the sort of spokespeople for the trump administration or support donald trump that should come on television programs. but we can't have people coming on programs that are going to deliberately lie. >> and six minutes talking about her lie and doubling down her lie is time you don't get back and are we a part of it if we continue to put people on like sarah sanders and kellyanne conway if you're going to spend your time talking about their lies. it's time to take a stand. if she won't step down, we need to step up. we have a new -- seth moulton is the 19th democratic candidate to enter the race and the fourth

sitting member of the house. the 40-year-old molt l moulton was elected in congress in 2014 and notably led the opposition to nancy pelosi in the house democratic leadership elections late last rear. he posted a campaign announcement on his web site this morning. >> i'm running because we have to beat donald trump and i want us to beat donald trump because i love this country. we've never been a country that gets everything right but we're a country that think we might. >> does he have a lan? -- lane? >> i don't think so. congress moulton is famous for trying to challenge nancy pelosi and making sure she wasn't the speaker again and he was

unsuccessful and i don't see a lane for him. when joe biden on wednesday jumps into the race, he's going to teak up a lot of the oxygen in that moderate lane. the fact that there are so many pop in the race shows that the e president is very week going into the peopler primary. >> what does it look like if joe biden does noannounce he's runng for president? >> it's an extraordinarily big field. we joked that 16 republicans was a lot on that stage but 20 democrats is a lot.

there really isn't a front-runner here. sent aly they're going to begin to draw contrast with each other. you're seeing elizabeth warren stake out that territory, calling for the president's impeachment without a lot of her fellow candidates getting in on that side, too. i want to see, for example, whether mayor pete buttigieg can sustain this momentum and build a lasting campaign and build some infrastructure on the ground. what happens with some of the senator candidates, kamala harris, is she going to catch a little bit more fire and really break into that top tier? we'll have to see. but air going to have to start differentiating each other and showing democratic voters when kind of can't they'll be look against donald trump. >> so is mayor pete more of a

threat to bernie sanders' space of support or joe biden's? >> that's a good question. >> that is a really good question. >> i think maybe joe biden's but it a little bit up clear. pete butte judge has this -- he has not stabd out very many clear positions when it comes to policy issues so it difficult to place him on a speck frum from right to left. bernie sanders, we know what he believes in his policies, we know bide i don't know's track record, his voting record oaf many years. buttigieg is a little bit more of an enigma at this point. >> still ahead on "morning joe" we'll go live to the white house. after a weekend of tweeting, the president's account is so far

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we want to get the latest developments on that deadly terrorist attack on easter sunday in sri lanka. joining us now from columbo, sri lanka, nbc news chief global correspondent bill neely. bill? >> reporter: good morning, mika. up join you join me on a very somber easter sunday. there was nanother explosion, another bomb. army officers were looking at a suspicious vehicle, there was

something inside that bothered them when suddenly whatever it was inside went off. now, the question is how 24 hours after the main attacks did this vehicle get through? it just goes to prove that the threat here is clearly not over. i think we can roll in, you'll probably see the moment of that explosion and it will give you some sense of what happened here more than 24 hours agriculture on easter sunday morning. i'm here at saint anthony's church where more than 70 worshippers died. a suicide bomber came into this church during a mass and blew himself up. and that was the case at many other locations, three hotels, two other churches. it's the biggest attack on christians in asia in living memory. and you know, this island had

and the police say they know the group responsible for, there it's an islamist group. it little known, to be absolutely honest. they have portrayed themselves as supporters of isis and other islamists ideology, but they had never taken partin any terrorist attack before so this comes as quite a surprise. and here just a short while ago, i interviewed the chief of staff of sri lanka's president who also worked for the defense ministry and he conceded they had had a warning about possible suicide attacks. i said why didn't you protect the churches? >> he said but i suspect there will be a big inquiry as to why the police and security services failed yesterday and up could say just an hour ago. back to you.

>> nbc's bill neeley, thank you very much. >> let's go to tom nichols. tom, your thoughts. >> the first thing i wondered, is there an international aspect to this? it's not the typical pattern in sri lanka. the first thought that went through my head, is this a domestic group? that's a pretty big attack with a lot of coordination. the question will be how coordinated is this outside of sri lanka's borders and is this a sign of some larger international network? then it becomes even more terrifying if this is part of some larger transnational network and not a local issue. >> what does the history of terrorism suggest to you?

>> well, you know, sri lanka has had a lot of suicide bombings, but they really were had they were in the struggle between the state and -- and that was internal to particular part of world. normally an attack that size takes money, takes coordination, takes somebody leading it. that would suggest some kind of international dimension, certainly but at this point it's all guessing at this point until the sri lankan government puts out some evidence and knows more about what happened. >> we're going to continue to follow all the developments in this story. and still ahead, president trump tweets he has never been happier. but he spent the weekend waging an attack on robert mueller, calling his investigation into russian meddling a hit job.

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welcome back to "morning joe." joining us, white house correspondent kristen welker. this morning is the annual easter egg roll at the white house. what are you hearing about the president's mood? >> reporter: that's right. the president and first lady are about to host the 141st easter egg roll. it comes after the president was fuming about revelations in the mueller report and we saw those duelling messages on display in a series of tweets on easter day, mika. in one he says "happy easter, i've never been happier or more

content because your country is doing so well." but then a series of rage tweets including one that called the mueller investigation the most corrupt political witch hunt in the u.s. in another he addressed the issue of impeachment tweeting how do you impeach a republican president for a crime that was committed by democrats? that's an allegation he's repeated frequently without any evidence. and you have progressive democrats saying it's time to take a hard look at this and get serious about considering it and over the weekend we saw more establishment weigh in as well, like congressman elijah cummings saying it can't be taken off the table. nancy pelosi will hold a conference call later on today to discuss next steps. they want to hear from robert

mueller democratic congresswoman it's great to you have because be beenwhat has been exposed in the mueller report and how many different ways it may feel like there are at least question here. what kind out to you as to where you all should focus? there has been in the obstruction of justice area. that has put f he had written questions but he refused to answer questions related to the obstruction of justice. he did answer related to

portions of the russia investigation. i think that's rip. we have the whole issue of commonwealth kwm that we on jofr sight said we look moo, if the level of lying and unfit behavior that has opinion and the new york city report about people having to sort pot p this is rather stunning. the results this report rather exposing and youthat the president was pushing staff members o do dirty work or those

of us who had been watching this were prp but think the rule are roar gave us examples that we were then able to hone in on and say here's the substance evidence support the allegations that are already out there. >> do you think that it annism peachable offense? >> i think members of congress should begin investigation into this. i am not one to say, yes, let's go ahead and impeach the president. i agree with speaker pelosi that there are concerns beginning an impeachment process where we don't believe it will move anywhere. it may not even be it and up by mitch mcconnell on the senate side. . so i think the same methods we

utilize in impeachment can be utilized in specific investigations as to those issues that we find troubling within this report as well as other allegations and other witnesses that have come before the house. >> congressional leadership has asked special counsel mueller to appear before congress within the nbs month or so. what would be your first question for him? >> my first question to him relates to those areas that redacted. independent pop but there will also be private hearings where we can dig more into areas that and see him push in whether or not thos were in fact trootful. >> you were talking about putting to the some sort of infrastructure bill from congress. there's been a lot discussed about how the white house that an area where perhaps there as a moment where there could be some bipartisan, some sort of

agreement. what sort of bill do want to see? secondly, why give the president some sort of legislative accomplishment? why give him certainly he can work with you. it's great in terms of having the finances to be able to build and to renovate and to innovate in terms of infrastructure and transportation, but there are forgotten areas of america. this week i'm going to be going to places look charleston with joe dunningham, those people who have a a mandate to meet the thanksgiving in so as i've.

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a few of the other stories we're following, boeing is facing claims of manufacturing issues following a new report focusing on operations at one of the aerospace giant's production facilities. according to a report from "new york times" the company allegedly pressured workers at the north charleston, south carolina, plant to speed up production while ignoring employees complaints about

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brought its airliners from a different facility. life imat a time art as an actor best known for playing the president of ukraine was elected to be the president of ukraine. with over 90% of ballots counted in sunday's runoff election, vladimir zelenskiy 6th won over pair shenno, as did you new to politics, he was best known for a sit dom role as a history teacher elected as president after his rant on government corruption goes viral, a message he adopted throughout his campaign. tom nichols, let's talk about this, the implications

especially with russia, poroshenko saying this is a gift to putin. why? >> well, there's good news and bat news, if democracy -- if the test of a democracy is the peaceful transfer of power, the ukrainians keep passing it, because they've had more presidents that is any post-solveiest republic. the bad news is they are in the middle of a russian attack. there were 39 candidates. poroshenko is making the argument he should have been left to to have experience and stability, zelenskiy is going to have a tough he time, govern, when all this is over.

he set hell eat have the people. that's not how it works. you have to make life-and-death decisions on short notice. i'm just concerned he's going to be in way over his head. tom, thank you very much. coming up, robert mueller's russia report definitely had an impact, probably not the kind that president trump wanted. new polling shows that his rating has dropped to a new low. plus new york city has approved a sweeping new bill. mayor de blasio is here to explain what's in the legislation straight ahead on "morning joe." slation straight "morning joe." ured it too? if these industrial plants had technology that captured carbon like trees we could help lower emissions. carbon capture is important technology - and experts agree.

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how happy they are, much like smart people who always tell you -- >> i went to an ivy league college, i was a nice student. i did very well i'm a very intelligent person. >> i'm so happy and so smart. it's month, april 22nd. by the way, it's happy berth day. >> i'm happy. now on msnbc contributor adrian el rod is with us. he's the author of "songs of america" which is a collaboration with singer tim mcgraw. and former nato supreme

commander. a . >> i'll say we're very happy he 'here. >> we kick off the week following a number of important headlines, including the aftermath of the easter bombings in sri lanka, hundreds dead and we'll get a update there. plus a new name in the race for president. congressman seth moulton is the fourth member of the house to jump in. ukraine elects a new leader with ahn unusual resume. what it means for that complicated world. we're going to start -- >> can i just tell you, that despite the screed all weekend and despite the president being as angry as he was, the president and his aides want to

tell you they're happy. i think this so the resilience, and a can-do attitude that one needs to have even after he's been found guilty in a report of possibly obstructing justice. but also information that he directed his white house attorney to fire robert mueller, which mcgahn said he wouldn't do. he tried to pressure then attorney general jeff sessions to go back on his claim that he needed to recuse himself, whether everybody knew he needed to recuse himself. also, of course trump kept telling key figures, basically encouraging them not to tell the truth time and lewindowsky bein

despeed that the mueller report is really devastating. we go to jon meacham at this point. his approve ratings keep dropping, and he has to be excited to once again get them up into the 40s. >> this report was completely exposing of unfit, impeachable behavior, and that's where he sits this morning his claims of total exoneration seem to be ringing hollow with the the public. a poll finds in the wake of the mueller report release, the approval rating dropped to a new low this year. >> wait, a new low?

>> the ipsos/reuters approval that his approval rate has sunk down to 37%. that's trump's worst performance in more than a year in this poll. >> yet, mika, he's a can-do sort of fella. his chin states high. he never tweets negatively. >> he spent the holiday weekend at the florida club trying to project he a's calm. the white house released photos with trump and guests, which is

unusual because they don't even confirm he's playing golf. the tweet of "i am with i am with the president at the southern white house. i have never seen him happier. and the president tweeting -- i've never been happier or more content. >> yet what did he do? >> hi continued to fume, alleging he's been historically mistreated while aides and allies went on television to dispute the report's description of trump's reaction when he learned the special counsel had been appointed, when she said, oh, goad, these terrible, this is the end of my presidency.

>> you've been . >> i've been with the president i've never heard him utter those words, and we've been in some proimpossible, tough situations. that's not how he speaks. >> i've been with the president -- i've never heard him be debby downer. anybody who says he's debby downer is an absolute liar. >> it's almost as if they're reading talking points. they would never do that on fox news. >> an innocent man does not screech and complain and whine all weekend. it's almost as if somebody got to all of them and said you need to start say the president is happy. of course, the remarkable thing, sarcasm aside, it's hard to peel amp at it, but this shows how incapable this president is from doing something that's not just on the front of his mind.

he's been very angry all weekend, and it wasn't in his best interest politically, yet he just couldn't help himself. >> no, and it does feel as though maybe someone in the mar-a-lago world said, you know, what would really make them all mad is if you were really happy? and he thought, yeah, i'm happy. it had the feel of something that might have come up in the men's grill or something. you know, what continues to be so striking is -- this is not sarcastic at all, i genuinely don't understand it. given hi level of support with his base why there's never been, from the moment he moved from escalator to plausible as a candidate, and then ultimately to the presidency of the united states, why he's never been

able -- forget the national interest. i'm not being that nigh each, because why he was never ability to see that hisself interesting would be served by at least following, i don't know, let's call it 25% of normal-ville, right? 25% of the street signs. you don't have to follow them all, but where is the infrastructure bill? where is the prescription drug reform? why not figure out a way to get that 37 back to 47 or even 50. he just insists on living in the bubble that you saw with rush and you saw there with conway and lewindowsky. i understand why he got elected.

okay, we get all that. but why no concession to -- no acceptance of the topography of normalcy that would benefit him? i just don't understand that. >> right. that is the great mystery of his president sis for mika and me who have known the man for over a decade and have seen him that people who go to talk to him in the white house, are surprised he can be a very charming man. nancy pelosi has seen that side of it. she's talked about it before. hibbard hibbard requested why she went to trump's wedding, said he's a fun guy. he was friends with democrats. a. he was friends with democrats.

again we're not just talking about him doing something that impacts the polls and would help two or three points one way or another. this is about the central mystery of donald trump as a politics he is consistently doing things against his own spl political interests. >> and why don't we do some

literature as opposed to the french and indian war? would that be okay? he has scottish ancestry. he is macbeth presumably. he's done something he feels he did something illegitimate to win power, and instead of boldly moving forward, he is obsessed with that past. maybe that's wrong, but it's as plausible as anything else, it seems to me. still ahead, speaking to president trump, rudy giuliani rules in the prospect of using stolen material -- >> from enemies, by the way. >> and rules out knit concerns about morality with that. the one-two punch from america's may dwror.

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welcome bulk. the president's lawyer rudy giuliani spent yesterday arguing that there was nothing wrong with members of the 2016 campaign taking information from the russians. >> the russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systemic fashion. do you accept that as a fact? >> we do. there's no reason not to. >> and the president accepts it as well? >> i'm sure he does.

>> so it's okay for political campaigns to work with material provided from adver searses. >> it depends on where it came from. it depends on where it came from. you're assuming that the given of information is a campaign contribution. read the report set. the report says we can't conclude that, because the law is pretty much against that. people get information from this person, that person. >> you would have accepted from russians against a client? >> i probably wouldn't. i would have adviced out of as excess of caution, don't do it. >> but you're saying there's nothing wrong with doing that. >> there's no crime. >> i'm not talking about crime. >> we're getting into morality? that isn't what prosecutors look at, morality. >> thanks, rudy, proud of you.

>> so admiral, i could ask you what you think of the president's top advisers saying it's okay to get stolen material from russia, russia hacking it, but this actually, for republicans this sets the precedents. they're now saying it's okay for bernie sanders, if he decided to get stolen material, you know, from china, about mike pence if the president didn't run, or getting stolen material from the iranians who hacked after the nikki haley a's campaign. it would be okay for the democrats and elizabeth warren to get hacked material from the iranians and use it in an election. this is bizarre, is it not? there's no justification for that, is there? what national security concerns does this raise for you? >> let me start by going all jon

a meacham. you have to pull the line out life is but a tale of sound and fury told by an idiot signifying nothing. we're getting close to that point, and the idea that it's okay, and not everything has to rise to a level of criminal behavior before it starts to threaten or national security. another way to put that is, if this is not against the law, with you ought to pass a law to make sure it doesn't happen, though we shouldn't have to do that. the question is, what should we be doing in the wake of the mueller report in addition to the political questions you unpackage so well. we ought to be doing reveal, showing the world and how we

were attacked. second, we ought to be reforming our defense sieve ability to push this back in the social networks, hardening our electoral system. lastly, and most controversial, joe, we ought to be thinking about retaliate. what are the sanctions we ought to place on russia, now that we have seen the full spectrum. this is a striking moment of national security. we need to be doing all of those things if we're going to avoid a repeat of those going forward. >> and we found out even in florida that the russians were able to hack into some election in our home state, supervisor of election reported some hacking in the swing state, vital state of florida. jonathan o'mear, what can you tell us about the president raging, yet saying how happy he

is. >> his attempt to label the message "i'm happy" doesn't really work. he's been telling people, at the ends of last week and over the weekend he's very upset at the depictions of the report, and in particular he is upset at his aides, including don mcgahn who cooperated with the mueller report. >> who told the truth. >> that's right. it's a shift in legal strategy that we saw from the legal advisers. on the one hand he's furious who did cooperate, because he's afraid it looks back, and even if there aren't criminal charges, even though it raises the idea of obstruction, it paints a picture of a chaotic white house. and some of the candidates are talking about up focusing on the economy, not impeachment.

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well, senators bless warren says it's time for impeachment hearings. it began with a series of tweets that slammed president trump's disloyal behavior, which she says demands congress do its constitutional duty, and in addition yale impeachment proceedings. this weekend warren told a new hampshire crowd -- i get there's a lot of folks who say this is politically charged many democrats should shouldn't go here. just stay away, there's an election, but there's some things bigger than politics. and this is one of them. a campaign officials tells nbc news while warren believes impeachment is the right course of action, the senator will keep her focus on policy proposals, but while warren is stepping forward, many of her up fellow contenders have been more cautious. senator kamala harris says she wants to hear from mueller before passing judgment. >> would you support impeachment

the proceedings to begin? >> i believe there's room for that conversation, but right now what i want is i want mueller to come before congress to testify. there's no question that there is good reason to believe that there was an obstruction of justice by this president. there's no question. so adrian el rod, a couple things, obviously it's hard to move forward as a democrat right now with questions or concerns about impeachment, without looking political, obviously. having said that, there's so much in this report that exposes this president, and raises legitimate questions about his unfitness for office, about his cavalier behavior with the truth, about his lackeys, about his lawyer just getting up and leaving, because he's not going to do crazy you know what. >> yeah.

this president has a lot to answer for in this report. what do democrats do next to make sure that they tamp down the political, but step up on the mortgage and also their, quite frankly, patriotic duty to step up for the country. >> well, mika i think you answered your own question. congress does not have a choice here. mueller put together this incredible road map. it's not in the hands of congress. congress has a constitutional authority to look into this, and to frankly make sure that future candies for president and future presidents do not conduct this type of behavior anymore. i think we can walk and chew gum at the same time. i understand that candidates don't want the narrative to be all impeachment. they want for focus on issues, that can be done, but at the same time congress can look into the issues. you know, when i saw yule yanni's comments yesterday making it clear that, sure,

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organization. a lot to get to in this block. jonathan, take us thus the results of these polls, it doesn't look good. >> yes, mika, this poll is the first time we asked a series of emotions that people feel, as many young people have anxiety on a regular basis. number two, we found the issue of anxiety and stresses are correlated with their views of -- not correlated necessarily by what party you are a part of, but your views about the civic health of the nation. the good news, though, is that a lot of folks who have anxiety and stresses are using their voice in a more likely than ever to participate in the upcoming primaries and general.

>> are there comparisons? >> all the data is on our website as of this morning. relative to four years ago, we can see that overall young people are 20% more likely to participate. young democrats, though, are driving that, there's a 33% more likely to participate. so this is a trend that i think began around the parkland movement, extended through the midterm elections, we saw, as we know, there was some debate on the set whether young people were going to participate. we know they did in record numbers. this trend i think is being fueled by the younger folks. the 18 to 23-year-olds members of gen-z, as tuned in as any group of young people i remember, and to borrow a phrase

from "game of thrones" i think wind is coming and people should be prepared. this would be a continuation of the most significant youth wave we have seen in many years. >> the draw from young people i know to pete buttigieg is not out of nothing. these young people don't feel like their elders are looking after them. >> yeah, i think we're seeing, mika, this brewing of a generational conflict. you can see, less than one in seven believe that officials care about them. climate change is a consistent issue that's growing over time, as well as a sense of the moral direction of the country is just off on the wrong course. two thirds members of each party believe the moral direction of

this country is off on the wrong track. those are the folks in charge of our institutions. i will say, though, that the feeling is the same with baby-boomers. we talked about this on the show. baby boomers generally don't have strong feelings about millennial as well. so i do think this generational conflict will be a theme. >> lauren, you have written about the discrepancy in coverage between the female candidates and their male counterparts. talk to me about what you found. i think one example we're hearing more and more is senator elizabeth warren that's running a campaign just full of ideas, including one on student loans, but has had trouble gaining traction. what are you seeing? and what steps can be taken to correct that? >> one thing i was fascinated by in the harvard data right before

i came on is the women in the poll were ten mortgages more likely to be voting in the next election than the men. so you see this incredible surge of wind across the country, and yet the political coverage of this history -- is wildly skewed. there's studies showing that it's not been lower in numbers of hours, but when they are covered, they are covered in negative terms. you know, the way in which we describe up women candidates. it matterses enormously. part of what i argue is we have to focus on more balanced coverage, and frankly also, we in the media, those of us who have the opportunities to speak at tables like this, need to

hold ourselves accountable. unfortunately the cnn debate that harvard is hosting, it's three male hosts, and it's already pointed out online, is that representative of our voters? our daughters are watching, women are watching, we've got to move past the gendered coverage that held us back in '16 and so widely reported and covered. it's time for change. lauren, describe the specifics after negative coverage. is it characteristic of the stereotypes we have seen in the past? >> absolutely. >> specifically what are you talking about? >> absolutely. the group that's been tracking the actual number of words and kinds of words we use to describe the women candidates, aggressive, you know, difficult,

you notice, shrill, all the kinds of sort of gender tropes we have unfortunately become accustomed to. you see this everywhere. in the recent articles in "new york times" that called her aggressive over and over again. once you start to sort of raise your level of consciousness you see things in a new way. that's what we really kneel, is to just pay attention, to pay attention and be looking more kleely and holding ourselves accountable. these are highly qualified women who have dedicated their lives to public service. they deserve better than this. >> so for the neera article, for example, when i see aggressive, i think it's good. what would the word that should be used?

is there bias going on? or are we going through an evolution of understanding of things like aggressive can be very positive? >> i think it's somewhat both. in the article about neera, she's had an extraordinary career as leaders of the party. you don't get to lead if you don't have a level of aggressiveness, yet when we use that term in the context of women, it is -- it's not just men, women as well have our own biases. the point is we need to question some of these narratives more directly, and really ask the question, are we describing women when they run in the same kinds of terms that we are describing men when they run? and i think anyone who looks as it, any observer would say we don't. that's a reflection on the changing norms, the fact that we've never had five women

running, but that also we have these kinds of unconscious biases that continue to rear their ugly head. any woman in leadership can tell you they've been painted with these terms over and over again, the more with you push bash, the more potential we have for a constructive dialogue. >> lauren, thank you, and john, thank you as well. we'll be readinged new poll, which is out now. up next, new york city may user b or bill de blasio joins us next. and women really struggle with negotiating. we'll break it down. for women just starting out, we've got you colored in the latest know your value he book series. "earn it!" how to connect and resonate.

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the president hayes made it clear through his tweet and there was nothing as far as we know that would lead anyone to believe that there was anything excepts for a discussion about adoption of the majinsky act. >> looking back, it probably wasn't the right thing to do, but it wasn't a big deal, because nothing came of the meeting. >> if someone offers and you listen to them, nobody is going to be surprised. there are some things you take for granted. >> i've been looking for collusion as a crime. collusion is not a crime. >> i never said there was no collusion between the campaign. there is nothing wrong with taking information from russians. wow. >> from the former mayor of new york city to the current mayor, democrat bill de blasio joinses show this morning. >> good to see you. happy berth day. >> happy berth day.

very nice. >> i like the tie. >> mr. mayor, then there was 19. seth moulton got into the race this morning. i suspect we will have joe biden jumping in to be the 20 20th an democrat, challenging donald trump. will you be lucky 21? >> i like that. i'm going to make a decision soon. the important point in this discussion is democrats have to come to grips with the fact there's election 2020. it's an election we are not going win at this point. donald trump actually can win. democrats have to be strong and clear and bold and progressive in our messages or we are not going to make it. i think more attention needs to be on that fact. we are not speaking enough to people's lives and the frustrations they are feeling. there's an open opportunity for democrats to do that, part of why we announced the big, bold

ideas like the new york city green new deal. it's important to understand, if you are not talking people's every day lives, if you are not talking about things they are feeling like global warming, don't be surprised if donald trump is back in the white house. >> we'll get to new york's green new deal in a moment. let's talk about the presidential campaign. you say you are going to be making a decision in the near future. first of all, can you give us a rough time line and, also, what are some of the things you are weighing on whether you think your voice is uniquely suited for this time? >> well, joe, first of all, this is a family decision. the most important factor is the discussions with my family. i will tell you this much, here in new york city over the past five years, we have proven time and time again you can take on the big issues like income and equality and public safety and

global warming. it can be done. the safest big city in america, we have taken bold steps to reduce global warming, we have reduced emissions 30%. we brought police and community together, addressed police and community, paid sick leave and time off. >> your timing, you save that for the campaign and answer my question here, which is, what is your time frame for making that decision and how will you cut through in a field of 20 people, if you jump in? >> time frame, soon. how do you cut through? i'm not going to do many hypotheticals since i'm not a candidate, yet. the point is to speak about sharp, clear, bold, progressive change and prove you can do it. >> that's what people are looking for. >> what about right now? there's a debate in the

democratic party about whether the democratic party should pursue impeachment because that's congress' constitutional duty or, i'll just say it so you don't have to, or whether you do what's politically actually more astute. i won't say safe, more astute. that is talk about issues that impact americans because every democrat i have talked to on the campaign trail is nobody talks about russia, nobody talks about mueller. they talk about their future. they talk about their family. they talk about their situation. >> yeah, joe, you know from the folks you represented in congress, that's where people live, at the kitchen table in their daily lives. democrats have not done a great job of speaking to people's every day lives. i would say, let's get that part right. if we don't, donald trump will be re-elected. if we do get it right, a focus

on health care, making sure it's affordable for people, being clear that the trump tax cuts were a give away to the wealthy and corporations and people deserve a repeal of the tax cuts. those issues resinated because they got to folks in their day-to-day lives. there's a lot more to do in that vain. that's where the first focus has to be. i understand, there's so much in the mueller report that could lead to impeachment. it's a very real option. while we don't know the future of the impeachment proceedings, there's a scheduled election. it's real soon. if democrats are not sharp, bold and speaking every day to people's lives, don't be surprised if we get the wrong result. we have to learn this lesson, finally. i don't want folks to be so focused on their hopes of impeachment that they forget to do the first thing we are here to do, provide a change. we have to be the party that says this isn't working for every day americans.

we have to be sharp and bold. if people think we are part of the status quo, another elite, we are not going win. if he say here is how we break, we are going tax the wealthy at a higher level, we are going to disrupt. we are doing things like announced in new york city. we are going to provide a guarantee of health care for new yorkers. americans want to hear actual solutions like that. >> so, talk about new york's green new deal. obviously, the 1% in congress is actually causing a riff, even among democrats. what are you doing in new york city? how does that provide a road map for democrats and independents and some progressive or forward thinking republicans nationwide? >> we are making the green new deal come alive here in new york city. we have our own green new deal, three basic ideas. one, the biggest source of emissions in new york city is buildings. we are putting clear, strong mandates. the first of any city on the

earth to say to building owners, clean up your act, retro fit, clean up. if you don't, there's serious fines, $1 million or more for the biggest buildings. this mandate is going to guarantee we reduce emissions. we are going to ban the glass and steel skyscrapers which are inefficient. if you want to build one, you can take steps to make it energy efficient. the city of new york, the government, which uses as much energy in a year as do the people and the businesses of the state of vermont. we are going to get all of our energy from renewable sources in the next five years. >> these are the big, broad strokes. they could have wide impact. civic decisions. there's also personal things people can do. you talk about you recycle. your staff says you turn off lights and so on. i need to ask, you live on the

upper east side. most days or several days a week a city suv drives you 11 miles to a gym in brooklyn as opposed to one where you reside. what sort of environmentally responsible example are you setting there, taking this drive, in a car, as opposed to going somewhere nearby. >> the example we are setting, first and foremost, look at the exact question before us. the plans we put forward we are acting on will reduce emissions 30% in all of new york city by 2030. that's where we make huge change. to the question wherever i go in new york city, whether i take a subway, go nearby or farther away, i have a security detail that follows me in their cars either way. let's be clear, this is part of my life. i come from that neighborhood in brooklyn. that's my home. i go there on a regular basis to stay connected to where i come from and not be in the bubble

that, for a lot of politicians is a problem. the fact is, those cars and that security detail are part of the life of being mayor of new york city. >> there was a headline for 2019, we had a measles outbreak in new york city, in brooklyn, not far from where we sit. can you give us an update on to mandate vaccinations in that community. >> jonathan, it was time to be very aggressive. we tried hard to use the normal public health efforts. there's a strong anti-vaxor movement affecting a particular neighborhood. i ordered that we would mandate vaccinations. since that order, almost 1,000 kids have gotten vaccinated. that's a really good sign. we believe we'll see this crisis end. we have had to close a few schools, in fact, the religious schools that had too many kids

coming to school unvaccinated, we had to give out violations to individuals with fines attached. this is not something you want to do but measles can be fatal. they can cause brain damage. it should not be taken lightly for kids and a number of adults a danger. it was time to be tough and time to show there's consequences. >> mayor bill de blasio, thank you for coming on the show. thank you. >> we had to prove you can take the boy out of the daily news but can't take the daily news out of the boy. boston red sox fan. >> whoa! >> boston red sox mayor de blasio. >> and joe. >> is he? >> big time. >> i admire your excellent judgment in baseball. >> wow. >> jonathan, let's state from the beginning, you and i always believed in this red sox team.

>> never doubted it. >> especially after the sweep this weekend. >> i'm wrapping things up. enough. >> april is early. thank you so much, mr. mayor. >> that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> thanks mika. thanks, joe. i'm stephanie ruhle with a lot to cover this morning, starting with terror in sri lanka. another explosion today after nearly 300 people are killed, including several americans after multiple suicide bombers targeted churches and hotels on easter sunday. 24 suspects are now in custody. a new question, did the government know an attack was imminent? investigate or impeach? in a few hours, democrats will hold a conference call on how to move forward in the wake of the president. the republicans claim of total