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d.c. area. needless to say, both countries keep their valuable stuff and anything experimental inside hanger and away from prying eyes above. critics of this treaty and congress gives russia an advantage since their satellite imagery is not as good as the u.s. they got more on these flights like the ones coming up in our skies than the americans get when they fly over russia 11 time zones. that's going to do it for us. thank you very much for being here with us, good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york. ♪ happy monday, by the summer of 1970, the u.s. military had been in vietnam, one form or another for nearly 15 years. richard nixon had taken office the previous year, sworn in at the beginning of 1969, promising
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to end that endless war in vietnam. of course, there was no sign it was ending by the following year, 1970. on june 21st, 1970, this was the store are ri on t-- story on th front page of "the new york times." as the war in vietnam dragged on, the army is finding itself increasingly played by a growing struggle of another sort against dissidence in i dissiden dissidence by its own ranks. they want to end the war and into china and bring all american troops back overseas and democracise in the army. these are the men who are establishing the underground newspapers and organizing
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protests and peace demonstration and working closely in many base areas. across the country with at least eight coffee houses and with other projects sponsored by such civilian supporter organizations as the united states servicemen fund. gi coffee houses. huh? starting the late '60s continuing right into the vietnam war, individual, activists and organizations like the united states servicemen fund, they established these coffee houses, these gathering spots, cited their u.s. army bases across the country, that were basically trying to support and build antiwar sentiment among serving soldiers. the idea was to give service member a place near by the bay, not too far out of the way where they can vent their frustrations with the military or vocalize their oppositions with the vietnam war or organize the war.
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the "times" reported that the ussf was providing assistance to these coffee houses. "the times" interviewed one coordinator for that fund. "he wears the mustache and moderately long hair now in style in the movement." you know what that means. the following year in 1971, james faunonda did a tour. in one skit as the "times" reported, james fonda, played first lady pat nixon, in the stitch, she rushes into tell the president, there is a massive demonstration outside, prepare
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to storm the white house. nixon's character says oh, i better call the army. fonda says you can't, richard. james fonda with the punch line, dick, it is the army out there. >> these coffee houses and the slice of the antivietnam war movement, this provacative organizing effort targeting servicing gis. it is starting to get a bunch of media attention, it started to get congressional attention and that got really aggressive really fast. the senate convene hearings into whether the u.s. servicemen fund was engaging in activities harmful to the moral of the u.s. arm armed forces. the senate subpoenaed the bank that the u.s. servicemen fund used as its bank. demanding their financial records.
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the u.s. servicemen fund fought back against that. >> this is how the case is described? 1973. the subcommittee on internal security issued a subpoena to the bank which ussf had an account. ussf brought suit to restrain enforcement of the subpoena and prevent the bank from complying with it. the soul purpose was to harass and chill and punish and exercising of their rights and duties under the first amendment. >> senate subcommittee on internal security. it was the entity that issued the subpoena to the bank of this servicemen funds that was running these coffee houses. it is not considered to be one of the high points in proud american government. it was kind of a senate equivalent to the american activity committee. this subcommittee on internal
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security in the senate, it was abolished not long after 1997. for the two decades leading up to its abolition, it was chaired by the white supremacist, segregati segregationist, senator, james east east eastland. the case was called eastland the u.s. service fund. that case going all the way to 1975. it now recognizes a foundational peac pieces of law when it comes to subpoenas of congress and the grounds of which you may challenge in congress or you may resist one or decry one as improper and there by get out of having to respond. the reason it is seen as a foundational case in that regard, the u.s. servicemen fund, the group that was funding
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all the gi coffee houses, part of the antiwar movement, they lost that case in the supreme court. the supreme court ruled that as long as the congress is performing its duty, including investigations relating to all sorts of things including the function of the armed force services, as long as they are pursuing a legislative duty then the question of why congress is under taking any particular investigations or issuing any particular subpoenas, it is none of the court's business. this is from a concurring opinion in the case by thurwood good marshal. the matter ends there and they're answerable and no further to the court. i mean you can be for given here if the size you are rooting for
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was the anti-war activists funding these little coffee shops near the bases. if your sympathy is with whether segregation and the senator -- i think it is fair to assume that justice marshal wrotes the concurrent opinion in this case. he was not a huge fan of james eastland. >> so much more to the point here. the settled law here ever since 1975, reaffirmed over and over again since then. even when congress is terrible, even in the worse case scenario when congress is being a bunch of freaking jerks. even when congress plainly is issuing subpoenas in what is obviously terrible bad faith, everyone wh even when they are at rock bo bottom in terms of they're
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trying to do, they have absolutely authority to do what they want to do. the court may or may not like why the subcommittee in congress is seeking for some kind of information? >> they're congress. they get to decide on their own terms what they want to look into. the courts as as quote equal bran. of government, they don't get to weigh in whether the idea of congress is noble or sober or wicked or dumb. what congress investigates is for congress to decide. how congress subpoenas information is congress's decision. that is clear president, unequivocal president means that our president now did something desperate, that's david weestinl and fail quickly. when the president decided he's going to bring a personal
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lawsuit against congress. president trump and his personal capacity sued congress and the oversight committee in the house for them to issue a subpoena for his financial records from the counting firm that spent a lot of years doing various types of financial work including various taxes. >> even if it were a super farfetched investigation that they were pursuing. what the case law in this area tells us that the courts would still stay out even. in this case, it is not farfetched. the president's long time personal lawyer testified under oath that president trump committed multiple financial felonies, he pointed to the documents that would show evidence of that. yes the president files this lawsuit trying to block the oversight committee from subpoenas years of record from his long time accounting firm. >> elijah cummings is the name
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defended from the lawsuit from the president today. as much as i am sure the president's lawyers are enjoying the billable hours, here. this lawsuit appears on track to fail and without much suns suspense. this is an area of the law where -- there is not much gray. i am not a lawyer, don't higher me for anything. once the president did this today, we spoke with a number of people who are lawyers and they told us that this is not an air of law where there is in i wiggle room. this lawsuit maybe an effort to slow things down but it is not going to stop what congress is doing. >> congressman cummings for his part responding to the lawsuit by saying there is no legal, no valid bases to interfere with the dully authorized subpoena
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from congress. >> from missouri, they'll fully comply with our legal obligations. that's in an uncomplicated way would conclude with a congressional subpoena. >> i mean we sort of know how this is going to end. it is fascinating as the president its spending is own money we presume, to try to end this. he really, really does not want congress to see his finances. in addition to stop the subpoena to his accounting firm. the president has hired a whole team of lawyers that's specifically working oen tn thek of keeping his financial secrets. that's his whole job. s of lawyers written multiple letters to the
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irs, telling the irs they should not comply. again, in i can, the law is not great. the law is very clear cut. the irs is required under law to hand over those returned as requested by those committee chairman. >> they're sending letters trying to slow the whole thing down. >> we expect similar letters or additional lawsuits or all the final -- who was. >> congression al democrats. everyone when it is clearly legally pointless in the end for him to fight this in some of the
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ways he has. >> the question that democrats arresting us right now is not whether or how much investigating to do, they sort of seem like they're all on board. whether they are ongoing and investigations should stay under the rubric of congressional oversight of the executive branch as they have been doing or whether they should pursue some of these investigation or pursue some of the fact-finding under the rubric of impeachment ruin. >> impeachment inquiry should began in the house based on the findings of robert mueller redacted report which we have made public last week. >> elijah is coming. jerry nadler, this committee will be the venue of impeachment. they all edged up to the line, they all the say they were not there yet. >> house democrats held a conference called i don't think
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themselves tonight. to discuss how they move forward. the upshot was that the committee chairs committed to conducting an aggressive investigation and oversight of the president. they did not admit to open up the gates, at least as not yet. >> in terms of this these congressional, democrats plan to summon a number of interesting witnesses including bill barr and the special counsel himself, mueller and the fbi director, chris wray. as of tonight, the house judiciary chairman issued a brand new subpoena to former white house counsel, don mcbeggan. this is a big deal. this marks the first to trump's white house employees. surnt or fuller. >> calls on mcbegan to hand over documents and testifying hearing on may 21st. you are planning to go on
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vacation in the third week of may, you should coancel that. don mcbegan seems to be the key witness in at at least three on ju just. he includes trump asking miguel to tell jeff sessions that he should unrecuse himself from over seaing the russia investigation. snoo >> trump ordered, the president later pressuring don mcgahn to deny that he ever relieved that order from the president mcgahn is memorable by, he needed to qk because the president was asking h i am to do crazy -- rhymes
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with submit. >> so if don mcbeggan is going testify, you would want to see that. there will be a fight over that. s the white house's counsel is not the president's lawyer. >> the who i say counsel is the lawyer for the office of the president and the start of the attorney and client. not this white house counsel will not be available to theesh mcgan testimony. >> whether they'll continue with tragsal oversight responsibles. >> one of the reasons lawmakers people real sufficiented and demanding financial information, even after he sorts to freak out
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. they'll be plumping these steps for the first time. it appears that robert mueller, just concluded without mueller having looked at trump's finances at all. and given what a key issue money and influence can be and the counter intelligence matter, the heart of tr regulation does for this investigation. >> it does not feel crazy that congress does feel the need to get over this stuff. with that said, in terms of the case out here and even if congress was totally being crazy or a whieild air and it would probably still be fine. the president will still loose in a court fight againsts the congressional subpoena. even if it came from some old race is. personal activists targeting committee, right? >> it does not matter even if congress is pursuing things
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along the line. if congress is pursuing this stuff, subpoena works. >> this case, following the money does not seem crazy. >> we know mueller did not follow the money. there was a counter intelligence component of mueller in's investigation. we learned from mueller's redacted report that he took all the information that investigators gathered did not fit into the criminal investigation. he sent it out to the fbi for them to deal with it. this is from mueller's redacted report. the investigation could identify foreign intelligence. fbi personal who assisted the office to identify zr convey such information to the fbi. the fbi special counsel fishing.
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for most of the ten year for the special counsel. the fbi embedded personnel who did not work on the special counsel investigation. whose purpose was to review the results of this investigation and send in writing, summary of foreign intelligence zr information. those communications and other correspondents between the special counsel office and the fbi, not all of which is contained in this volume. this volume is a summary. it contains in the special counsel office. it is information necessarily to account for the special counsel prosecution zr describe the investigation's main factual results. >> order words, this is the count counter intelligent. >> robert mueller redacted last week, we developed all kinds of information on the source of the
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investigation. it does not pertain directly to criminal cases. this is just about potential federal crime being committed. this is not the report of our counter intelligence information. >> you can turn it turn it up. >> fbi counter intelligence of the trump team and russia is still active now? >>. >> how intelligence committee and adam shift made clear they expect a few briefing on what has been found that are far. >> i mean clearly what mueller found does have intelligence consequences and in terms of thinking of the prospect that the people in the government or associated with the trump campaign may have been compromised by a foreign power. >> i mean we now have all the new details of trump campaign chairman and paul manafort.
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his right hand man. cont contst. >> in his final report which we just got. mueller lays out for the first time, they did they think kos fortin te kos -- >> troig to get a tern p.r. company to sell the western or some perspective spin on russia taking over crimea. >> he's traveling on a russian diplomat eck pass forth. >> in that context, we don't know why, in 2016 during the campaign, paul manafort repe repeatedly gave this guy monks and months of internal drunk campaign polling day. repeatedly.
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>> he also gave kilimnik the status of the trump campaign and winning democratic vote. manafort briefered the lynn i can. including battleground change. >> what was that all about? >> this guy, mueller is telling us all the reasons why they believe he's telling us abo about -- why is that guy getting months of internal polling data and everything from the trump campaign about how they're planning to win the election, targeting voters there. >> they're end of the campaign messaging. >> whey do they need all that. why was that all going to russia. >> i mean is that some of the counter intelligent from motor's work that we have not seen. something that broke on friday
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niegts whi right which seems relevant to all of this stuff. butina is scheduled to be accidenced on friday this week for working as a foreign agent. >> just as an example of the kind of ching congress may want to know more about. >> i am rena beonina. >> including specifically about who donald trump should dominate for secretary of state. the decision went to oil executives and rex tillerson. >> we have seen some of these in court filings before. on friday, prosecute everies laid it out. >> three days until the elections. she claims those being
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considered for u.s. secretary of state. and told him, quote, our opinions will be taken into consideration in the united states. the russian government will be taken into account in the consideration in the yates. >> to the extend that is this intelligent stuff was not reported on in mueller report was what we got last week. >> it is not over. to the extent this counter intelligence stuff is a live matter of in kwarquery. >> that has not been resolved. it is congress that's trying to resolve it. to the extent that this stuff is going to be pursued through the
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can't hang out there. it is mueller report. >> on march 22nd, 2017, the president asked dan coats and cia director pompeo to stay behind in the oval office. the president asked them both whether they can say publicly that no link existed between him and russia. coach responded his office had nothing to do with the investigation, it is not his role to make a public statement against the russians. the washington post reported months ago. coats have refused to do so. washington post was right in that report. but, listen to this next part. this is the part that i think is going to leave a mark. quote, according to a seen more official at the office director of national agency, coats said
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after that meeting with the president that the president had brought up the russia investigation and asked him to contact jamds comejames comey. >> dempsey says coach describes the president's comment as well as falling some where between and wanting coats to do something to stop it. turns out that was not the only person cexplained that to me. >> this is from the oval office, the office building, president trump have kept him behind to ask him what he can do to help with the investigation. another is who had been waiting for the oval office zr talked to a few -- that coating is upset
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because the president asked him to contact james comey to convince him there is nothing in the wedding. this is immediately after an office office meeting with the president, director of national intelligence dan coats, the president just asked him to contact the fbi director james comey to tell comey to drops the russia investigation. multiple staffers, heard this from comey. it was, they described them among themselves that coach was upset about having receiving this request from the president. we know that, that's in the mueller report. staffers were called in by the special counsel and they testified what about what coat's head told him.
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>> coates told the office that he was never asked to speak. >> so you made it up back then? >> i mean we now have competing story on what happens with the meeting with the president. >> did dan -- did he tell all his staffers but by the time he got into the -- then when it came time to talk to the special counsel about it. he told tr special counsel something that sounded better for the president. >> something that did not indicate that the president ordered him to shutdown the investigation. i mean -- which one of those
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explanation is what happens here. and actually from a legal standpoint, how do you square the competing version of this story. >> joining me now is bob beco's mcquad." the best case scenario that he forgot this happened. he told his staffers at the time that it happened. he could not renault, that seems like the best case scenario. i don't want him as director of national intelligence. the worst case scenario would appear to be this happens. >> when it came down to talk to the special counsel, he lovered it up for the president. >> i find both of these snare rows are disturbing given that he is still on his watch. >> this is one of the instants where we see quite a of.
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we have some contradictory statements. as a prosecutors, you have to look and see of all the elements of an awe if he said is flished. you have to show the person knew the statement was false when he made it and it was material. difficult to know which of those may have been missing here. one of the things i would look for is the kind of thing you may not remember. >> someone asked you about your weekend, something is startling is the fact that the president asked you to ask jimmy to stop the investigation. he slimfully forgot that. i guess if you were trying to pursue this as a prosecutor, you would try everything that you could to get at, get us close to
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the facts as you could about the conversation in question withouts the opportunity to interview the president about this, is there any other way that prosecutors may pursue this? >> well, i think if they were interested in pursuing and one of this i thinks they may do is go back and reinterview some of these people. at the time of the interview, only three months have passed, that was a time when memories were really fresh. we get a couple sentences from the fbi 302 report. we are curious to see all of the things that's happening in those reports. did they ask dan coats to follow up on these things or refresh his recollection by saying it is funny, you mentioned this thing about comey. does that refresh your recollection about that. >> he may say it never happened. >> i don't know whether of those efforts were made. looks like all of these interviews were conducted on the same day so it is difficult to
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know the sequence of those interviews were and how hard they push to find out the truth here. there is rule of evidence when make a decision to charge. at least one of them is her ssa it may be that he lied and can't be charged as a crime. >> fascinating. >> i feel like this is interesting in terms of dan coats, it is a case study of why it is that congress wants not just the unredacted report but all the under lining information. >> thanks barb mcquaide. >> all right, we got much more to get to tonight, stay with us. . longer hours... eyes today are stressed! but ocuvite has vital nutrients to help protect them. ocuvite. eye nutrition for today.
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from massachusetts. >> i felt a little bit awkward taking the photographs but it was one of those scenes that i thought we should remember. the decision was made to have a memorial service on christmas day. right after this, we had a fantastic christmas dinner which was one of the best meals we had in months. this dichotomy and you have this really sad moments often followed by happy times. >> that's lieutenant seth, he decided to join the marines. he ended up serving four combat tours in iraq in the last five years. >> but, it is interesting, seth mo molton, his parents did not learn he won the bronze star in iraq when reporters dug it up.
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congressman molton came for the queen twice. both times he missed with consequences. there is been open talks in the left to inform his congressional seed. it is an interesting question though, that's not the only platform that congressman setz l settle. today he announced he's running for president. >> thank you for being here. >> i appreciate it. >> all right, i am going to go right to it. >> go for it. >> so said on twitter today that i was going to have you here. i have a lot of people following me on twitter, i don't know why but it is great. i said that you are going to be here and there is something that's called getting ratioed on twitter, more people respond
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with a reply than retweeting your message and pass it onto others. i have never been racial anymore. people are so bad at you about the nancy pelosi thing. when you decided to make this run today, you don't get their straight up run for the president. this is really fresh in the minds of democratic party activists right now. this effort of you taking on pelosi two years running. >> tell me how you feel about that? that being apart of your big national files. >> i am willing to challenge the washington establishment. i think we should have a nominee who is willing to join the mountain. that's where i heard everywhere we go. >> when i got to the primary state the last two months, this hardly ever comes up. if we are going to challenge donald trump, we have to show that we are willing to change washington. as a result of that challenge, it was not just about pelosi, it
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was about the top leadership position and giving a new generation of voice. we got the climate ching and subcommittee and term limits on leadership. they're going to 'lallow the historically diverse class. >> no, absolutely not. >> that was a product of that challenge at that time when our leadership said, okay, we got to do something to win more people over to our kied. >> t side. >> that gave speaker pelosi the votes she needed to become speaker. it did so without forcing these fresh ones who had won their elections to have to change that vote. >> no, i wanted the freshman to keep their promise and exchange for that, i said i would support her. >> that's good for the party. it is good for her and she's
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doing a fantastic job of standing up today with trump. in the feature, people will look at our leadership, not only they're standing up to truck but na they're the party of the future. >> going -- >> the majority of democratic party and voters in america are women. after hillary clinton lost to donald trump in 2016, manpelosi standing there, she's the most powerful american politics ever. >> for you to be shooting at her and making women mad. >> there is a response from you and tim ryan on that that it is going to be a foundational thing for both of you running for president now. >> uh-you are unafraid. with women voters being mad
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about women at the top of the democratic party getting shots from within, how do you regain trust? >> you saw the picture of my town hall. there were about 100 or 125 people were there. i know you got a good clips. i can't tell you how many women have came out. we want to shake sure that there is a new generation who are stepping up. these women are incredible. 21 of them were endorsed and s supported by my group. a lot of them were women. they are the -- many of them pledged themselves to vote against pelosi. >> pelosi has a 70% of voting. >> i am talking about the future. >> the part of the premise that i don't agree with is the idea that you were channelling a
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grand excel of anger and about pelosi being a problem for the democratic party. >> snoit changed. >> it changed afterwards. a lot of people shanging thecha position. a lot of people who called me and other drups, let's not forget. there were women at the fore gront front movement as well. >> we want change. >> after the election is over, okay, we are fine with her. i stick to my guns, i don't talk about a new generation. i foigt fight for it. i think it will make me a strong nominee. the fact the matter is, this is who you get. i am someone who you may not always agree with but you always know what i stand. the toughest job i had to do in my life was taken a diverse
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group of americans. people from all over the country. different political believes and different backgrounds. get them on a common mish to serve the country. >> that kind of unifying relationship is what we need in the next chief. >> there is got to be some women i got to win back. that's okay. i am proud to take on that challenge. we have got to defeat donald trump to bring this country back together. >> seth molton is our guest, we'll be right back. he's a declared presidential candidate. he's the 19 democrats who's announced and you know the one that has not been announced yet. >> we'll get to the congressman right after this.
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moulton. >> thank you for sticking with us. >> it is great to be back. >> you said this week that president trump did obstruct justice. >> yes. >> it is too soon to vote on impeachment. i voted in the house to start the bait on impeachment since last year. i think we waited way too long to start debating whether the president should be impeached. he committed crimes clearly. he profited off from his office and violated the law. don't think there is not enough to debate right now. >> you think the judiciary committee should open up? >> absolutely. somebody should back themselves into the corneaer by waiting for the mueller organization to come out. congress does two things. they debate things and they vote
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on things. we don't have all the facts. we have not seen the full mueller report, it is not time on a vote impeachment. >> where do you fallout the issue of whether democrats kanpur s can pursue these investigations. i know your priorities focus on veteran issues and cyber fences, you are specific in terms of the stuff that you want to pursue through congress. can democrats and congress do both? >> we absolutely must do. what a lot of people are missing of this, russia interfered in the election, russia wanted donald trump fto be elected president. everyone should want to know why putin wants to be our president? >> what do you know? >> russia is interfering in this election today, they're probably
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watching the show. >> hi, guys. >> they're nothing. i can tell you they're not fans. they are interfering of today's election, i guarantee it because we have done nothing to stop them. >> we had pearl harbor. afters the 9/11. roosevelt and bush, they did not say oh, don't investigate because it may look bad on me. russia attacked us in 2016, i guarantee you they're going to attack us in 2020. we are doing nothing to stop it. we need to talk about and lead on this. it is where trump is weakest. we got to attack where he's weak is and that's what i am talking about on this debate. congressman seth moulton. >> you know i was going to talk
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about the pelosi off the bat. >> totally fair. if anything that you did not like but want to hear on the debate stage, i hope people go to my website and donate a dollar so i can get on the stage. no other candidate is talking about right now in this race. >> if you want those, i hope you will donate. >> thank you, much appreciate it. we'll be right back. stay with us. glad you're back how you feeling? ♪ ♪
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