prepared to act in the national security interests of this country, to get back in the business of creating a more peaceful world. please clap. >> cost of an education here will be less expensive in nominal dollars in 2020 than it was in 2012. congratulations. you got to clap for that. >> and then i started running and every single time i have run, i have won every single congressional district in my state, including michele bachmann's. it's when you guys are supposed to cheer, okay? >> all right. >> no, hers was the best. hers was the best. that was okay. >> jeb is the oh gee one. >> and the greatest guy. >> hold on, though. i thought jeb's was funny. it was totally one of those moments that was totally misplayed. i actually laughed when he said it because i thought -- anyway,

i'm still fighting the battle all these years later. >> i think you had to know jeb's sense of humor. >> jeb's very dry sense of humor. but it is two and a half years later still fighting for jeb. >> good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it's tuesday, april 23rd. where is the time going, everybody? we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle, host of kasie d.c. what are you doing here so early? >> thanks for having me. >> and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson is here. >> please clap. >> we'll always clap for you. >> we'll begin with a poll after the release of mueller's

redacted report that shows president trump hitting an all-time low. politico has trump's approval ratings dropping 5 points to 39%. 57% disapprove of trump's job performance, up 6 points since last week. but while trump is unpopular, so is impeachment. the morning consult politico poll finds only 34% support beginning of impeachment proceedings, that is down from 39% in january, 48% are opposed. joe? >> yeah. so this is, again, what i say all the time in politics, sometimes when you win you lose

and sometimes whuch loen you lo win. also, we were all sitting around the table after the barr letter came out and remember everybody ran out and started gloating and it was on the trump right. all were gloating, oh, no this, no that, no collusion, oh, this is just a witch hunt. of course this all assumed -- it all assumed that americans didn't see that everybody around donald trump during the campaign either ended up in jail or ended up doing deals with the fbi and that the reports showed one lie after another lie after another lie. so that's part one of it. but, willie, even more bitterly ironic for donald trump i would think is that here you have this poll where trump usually does better in the morning consult poll than other polls from what i've seen, but here you have him in this poll once again dropping to an all-time low, lowest since

charlottesville, and the reason why is because he's now got an attorney general who is doing an inside job for him, who is gaming the system, who americans know aren't playing straight forward and donald trump, the outsider, has become donald trump the government insider who has rigged the system for himself. and americans see it. they know it's a scam. they hear him lying about it, and they're punishing at the polls. >> yeah. i mean, those are terrible approval numbers. let's just put it bluntly. if you're in the 30s in now coming up in the third year of your presidency, that is a terrible place to see. the mueller report is in public view, americans can read for themselves whether or not bob mueller could establish a conspiracy between the trump campaign and the russian government, which by the way,

the headline that president trump has taken from this, because it's true, he has that headline and yet you still see the numbers at 39%. that's just a terrible number for any president, but particularly what's perceived by trump supporters and by the president himself as good news. on the other side of it, when you look at the impeachment number at 34%, now you understand why nancy pelosi, the speaker of the house is holding conference calls with her members and saying pump the brakes on the impeachment talk. the investigations may lead us there but we don't need to lead would the word impeachment. i think you saw why in that number. house democratic leaders promising to push forward with aggressive investigation into president trump in the wake of the mueller report but refusing to commit to impeaching him. during a conference call yesterday with rank and file members, speaker of the house nancy pelosi, her leadership team and the chairs of major oversight committees outlined how they would move forward

following the report's release. sources say during the call pelosi told her fellow lawmakers, quote, we have to save our democracy. this is not about democrats or republicans, it's about saving you're democracy, adding if it is what we need to do to honor our responsibility to the constitution, if that's the place the facts take us, that's the place we have to go. but speaker pelosi rejected calls from central democrats to begin the process of removing president trump, saying saving the democracy does not necessarily constitute impeachment. plessy telling the party we don't have to go o articles of impeachment to maintain the facts. nancy pelosi having an 87-minute conference call with anybody who could call into that line and saying exactly what we laid out there. i hear a lot of you publicly calling for impeachment, ma

elizabeth warren wanting to pump the brakes on impeachment talk? >> she said, quote, he's not worth it, talking about the president. the challenge for her, i would describe their overall strategy as this -- dig up as much information about the president as possible. the assumption is a a lot of it is going to be negative and get it out there and allow people to make their own decision. if your ultimate goal is to defeat president trump, why go through a process that's political, divisive and perhaps hurts your chances of meeting the goal. >> the politics all along the way there have been some republicans who have thought about the poll tux of this and have sided with trump or have been a trump lackey because they want to win their elections. and at some point somebody needs to think about why we're doing what we're doing and what it's for and wasn't it all about the

country? and with that i ask you what is impeachment for? it's not a punishment, it's not a political sword. it's supposed to be a removal from office for someone who was unfit. what does that mueller report show you. i mean, to me, i don't even know why it isn't black and white clear. having said that, nancy pelosi's job i guess is to worry about a lot more than just that. >> it's the way it is. and you and i disagree on this front. you think that democrats -- >> i don't think they need to tuke about it every day but i think they need to ask the questions. >> but go where the evidence leads them. i certainly understand that. i'm just talking as far as politics goes and being part of a house of representatives back in the 1990s who impeached bill clinton when he couldn't get prosecuted in the senate and we -- it ended up we gave him a

very nice departing gift and that is a 60% approval rating. americans are reflexively against impeachment. i always go back to john roberts when he upheld obamacare. he said do not ask me to do for you from my bench what you can take care of in the voting booth in a year. and that's how voters have felt about impeachment. it's how they felt about it with bill clinton, it's how they feel about it with donald trump. we have an election in a year, a year and a half, and you look at that morning consult poll and it shows you donald trump's best hope for higher poll numbers and for reelection is for the democrats to try to remove him from office through impeachment. whether that's right, whether that's wrong, if your ultimate goal is removing donald trump from office, then impeachment politically is the worst way to

go. >> i imagine you still have a few whbattle scars from the clinton impeachment. however, the stconstitution doe not say forgetabout it about i there's an election year. it does say, as lindsey graham so eloquently, you don't have to commit a crime if you're not upholding the honor and integrity of the office. the house has to move deliberately. its first move is to let the the

committee members exercise their subpoenas and maybe they get to an actual impeachment inquiry and maybe they don't, but they need to move forward because guess what, if they don't push ahead, if they don't lean forward, i know somebody who surely will and that's donald trump. and he's going to be pushing forward on his bogus counternarrative of the deep state and the coup attempt by angry democrats and so you need to push and i urge them to push. >> you write about it in "the washington post." we're going to read about it in our op-eds. mike barnicle, sometimes prosecutors find that discretion is a better part of valor, sometimes there are cases they know they can't win they don't bring because they don't want to set a bad precedent.

we can talk about baseball and kurt flood who wanted to be a free agent and they never challenged that. mlb, they didn't want to use that case. in this case democrats can feel good about themselves doing their constitutional duty and then get rolled by the senate and donald trump's the big winner. >> joe, if you look at those numbers that we just posted up there, they tell you this -- a majority of the american people know what they have in the oval office. they know they have a deceitful, manipulative guy who is ill prepared and unsuited for the job. they know this. so going forward the idea that the house is going to begin implementing impeachment proceedings, gene just referred to the constitution. the constitution, there's no notation, no amendment in the constitution that says, and it ought to, stop wasting our time. i think if they do go forward

with impeachment proceedings, the majority of americans are going to think they are wasting our time, the voters' time. they're not getting done anyway and now they're opening the door to continual every day harassment, witch hunt from the president of the united states. have some hearings, get more evidence on the ground that people already know buttresses their claim and let's get going toward an election. >> the latest poll of the 2020 new hampshire democratic primary shows momentum for the mayor of south bend, indiana. the granite state poll from unh has senator bernie sanders on top with 30% with a 12-point lead over biden while pete

budg buttigieg placed third at 15%. that's a big spread between third and the rest of the pack. but mayor pete, again, i kind of felt this coming when we first saw him on the show but this is still a pretty stunning rise. >> it's remarkable. the question is going to be how he capitalizes on it going forward. >> how he makes it a campaign. >> exactly. i do think it speaks to the reality that we learned in 2016 that our campaigns are now extraordinarily national. how has pete buttigieg managed a jump like that. it's been through doing national media interviews and frankly through impressing in those interviews. >> every single time. every single person i talked to said i'm so impressed with him. >> i saw him in new hampshire and he as a resonance with crowds, a rue resona true reson

haven't seen with other people. >> the other thing in the poll i should point out, joe biden slipping a little bit, makes you wonder if his first day will be his best day and second elizabeth warren really struggling in a state that's right near massachusetts. that's a big problem for her. >> the odd thing about that, there's no other candidate in the field if you listen to what she's saying, she has put absolute specific proposals on the table. i mean, really, really thoughtful proposals on the table and she's not moving. >> well, it is a message for all candidates out there that sometimes having the most specific policy platforms may not be the best thing for you. you look at hillary clinton four years ago. she actually if you went to her web site, she put together a lot of policy proposals, smart policy proposals. donald trump put to the none and

we saw how that turned out. and here i think that -- i'll admit i am surprised because she know s what he believes, it's consistent with the democrat bei being, so i am surprised of that. but, willie, you look at those poll numbers and you do look at the joe biden poll numbers. not even in the race. he's dropped four points. you do also have elizabeth warren but also look at kamala harris down six points. you wonder whether those six points also went to mayor pete as well. i tell you what, he has really eclipsed most of the other major candidates over the past three weeks. >> i mean, think about what we're looking at as we leave that poll up for a second. up have the former vice president of the united states, who has been a national figure

for almost a half century now in a statistic cal tie with the mayor of south bend, indiana, whatever happens from here, that's amazing. elizabeth warren, but she and bernie sanders have again, if you watched hefr town hall again last night, she's good on stage, she's got charisma, she can answer any question you throw at her. if she can't do it in new hampshire, it's not clear to me where we can do after this incredible "vanity fair" covera coverage. >> >> he's at 3% and has lost 2

percentage points again and you look at a tail of two candidates and it actually beto that you put near mayor pete. in large part that just has to do with the fact in a mayor pete hits it out of the park every single time he's in front of a camera. >> yeah. i think the this evening that this is about ultimately and we can talk about it more is trump. i think that's the dynamic at pla police say the death toll has risen to 321 after a series of blasts targeted churches and hotels. sri lanka's president has declared a condition al accordig to the associated press, 40 people have been arrested, including the driver of a van

allegedly used by some of the suicide bombers and the owner of a house where some of them lived. at least three more bombs explode p exploded in a park vehicle as troops tried to diffuse them yesterday. nobody was injured at the time. the local muslim group they're plaming may have had backing from international terrorist organizations. according to "the washington post," fbi agents are being sent to assist two week before sunday's they had informed them that muches and laid it all out,

names, addresses, even in the times the situation has been further complicated by a feud between the president and prime minister, which left the prime minister ignorant the. >> we're also following the supreme court, which will take up lgbt protections next term, adding three high-profile cases the question the level iity justices will determine whether title 7 of 1964 civil rights acts which dwrants job protections on the paves race, religion, national origin and most notably extends to sex only 22 states and the dix of columbia have laws that they

will be the first lgbt rights cases to appear before the court since the retirement of gay rights advocate justice anthony kennedy, who was replaced last october by a more conservative justice brett cavanaugh. >> and still ahead on "morning joe," in the presidential race, leading democrats are looking to dig up dirt, not on president trump, but rather on mean pete? >> what? >> josh ledderman has new reporting on that but first, here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill? >> good morning, mika. it was an ugly monday in areas of the northeast, the rain and the wind. today is your reward day in new york city. boston, we'll have to wait till the afternoon to get you a little bit of sunshine. the worse areas in the country, north texas, oak ork we've had

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anchor world wide exchange brian sullivan. what's the implication of this? >> gas prices go up, not down. in parts of california they're paying $4.25 to $4.50 a gallon. here's the reality. iran doesn't produce as much as they used to $2.7 million barrel a day. most of what they export goes to china and india. the trump administration is wagging their finger saying you can't buy that oil. here's the question. if they don't get it from iran, where do they get it? saudi arabia? the uae? maybe. if there is more demand for something, then supply exists. you know where prices go. they go up. all in all, kind of an interesting time given that we are in the middle of a very sensitive trade negotiation with china as well, this move ostensibly against iran is going to do economic damage to china more than anybody else, right

when we're trying to solidify this all-important trade deal. it's an interesting time ing. >> t -- timing. >> the stated objective to deny iran that import. >> iran sells about $50 billion in oil a year, about 40% of their government revenue comes from oil sales. many viewers are wondering how can we tell a sovereign nation not to tell a sovereign nation's oil? we do it by stopping the flow of other business transactions through our treasury department. the majority of global oil is pryce in u. priced in u.s. dollars. if you turn off the gps on your phone or your car, it's hard to follow, right, google maps can't track you. some of these super tankers in the path, venezuela is doing it now, they literally turn off

their transponder so it's unlikely iran will stop selling oil. it will just be done more on the black oil market. they call them ghost ships and they are very real. >> cnbc's brian sullivan, thanks very much. good to see you. >> south bend mayor pete buttigieg after he was called out for comparing the vermont senator's appeal with trump's. last night buttigieg attempted to clear things up. >> so there's no confusion, i regard senator sanders and president trump stupendously different but there was a lot of -- when you think about the number of voters, certainly where i come from, who basically narrowed down their choices in the last election either to bernie sanders or to donald

trump, it tells you some of the most important things on voters' minds aren't just are you close to me on a left/right political spectrum but are you really going to profoundly change the system we're living in. the president, even though it was all -- well, it was all pretty much untrue. i don't know what i can say on cable. >> you can say pretty much anything you want on cable. >> well, it was all bull. >> the mayor as sudden surge in popularity has caught his rivals off guard and has them scrambling to dig up dirt on him. joining us at the table -- >> hold on one second, josh. i cannot let the rank hypocrisy i just saw go by unanswered. willie geist, bernie sanders, his team is acting shocked that there's comparison to voters between bernie sanders and donald trump. there's a story in politico last

week about how bernie sanders is going after trump voters. there were "new york times" stories last year or a couple years ago talking about the trump voters who would have voted for bernie sanders if he got through the primary. we've talked about it all the time, that they're both insurgent candidates who attracted across the midwest a lot of the same voters. there's no surprise here. i mean, the sanders team needs to be a little less desperate to throw mud on mayor pete because they've been saying they're going to do that themselves. >> it's not exactly a novel point either. people have been saying it since the last campaign, although their policy ideas are different, their appeal is the same and that they're kind of outsiders. josh, it's funny because pete buttigieg when he was in high school won an essay contest praising bernie sanders. they know better than what they're doing right now.

it's not to say mayor pete is not above dirt in a presidential campaign or above criticism, but it does point to the fact he's caught the attention of this field coming out of nowhere. >> that's right. with all the nationally known democrats, everybody had their opposition research in the can ready to go. everybody knew what they were going to throw at elizabeth warren and bernie sanders and joe biden, but nobody really had reason to be doing deep digging on the mayor of south bend, indiana. now they do, now he's clearly a threat for those seeking the nomination and the presidency. >> doesn't it seem counterproductive, kasie, to sully up mayor pete? haven't we seen this not work before? it's not going to work. >> you may be right but i don't see a way around it for mayor pete. this is how it works. this is how it woshs when you join the big leagues.

it's a sign, to your point that, he really has landed himself in the top tooir. it's kind of funny that everybody is unprepared for him. there was a little bit of that with barack obama, too, though he obviously had given that speech at the dnc that got the attention. what are they going after? where are the weak spots? >> they've found what they think a few vulnerable areas. some involve controversial decisions as far as demolishing abandoned houses in south bend and demoting the city's black police chief. they also think he's ripe for some guilt by association of his work at a tax firm because of its corporate practices. beyond that they're still looking through everything he's ever said, written at harvard, as a rhodes scholar. >> gene, i'm accident cam because i feel like these efforts are going to look really forced and too late like the

democrats being behind the 8 ball again. >> look, he is the story of the campaign so far, right? we kind of expect bernie sanders to do well because of how well he didst lat time. he is mayor pete, he's not st. pete. so, you, -- up knyou know, this of oppo research is vetting. i assume he's ready for this. i hope he's ready for this and we'll see what they come up with. so far they haven't really laid a glove on hthem. if all they have is he tore done some abandoned houses and demoted a police chief, i don't think that's going to stop his momentum. we'll see how he handles the opp

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39 past the hour. time now for the must read opinion pages. in his latest column for "the washington post" entitled "mueller's findings: too stupid to conspire, too incompetent to obstruct." he writes in part after two years of investigation, mueller's findings about team trump can be roughly summarized as follows: too stupid to conspire, too incompetent to obstruct." i'd submit only two one addendum, too dumb to govern. many democrats opted against

charging trump and top aides but mueller captured the essence of trump. but above all, trump is bumbling. joe? >> it explains an awful lot, mike barnicle. you can sum the entire report up on the collusion part too dumb to expire and too weak to fire. nobody would follow through on his orders to fire and this has enraged the president who is going around saying people do everything i tell them to do. we have evidence under oath that bob woodward's book "fear" is on to something, that most of the people that work around donald trump work around the clock to try to undermine some of his more dangerous suggestions. >> joe, you know, we know here

collectively at the table the number of times we're told during the mueller investigation that the number of times of putting to the a conspiracy was preposterous. >> and, yasmin, you have maureen dowd. sm she writes, "the all nar cyst blend of braggadocio and insecurity has turned washington and its rickety institutions into a dystopian outpost of his

id. president trump on stukted on nearly every page of volume two of the mueller report, even though robert mueller was too lost in legalies to throw the book at him. joe, it seems like you have a response. >> willy, the worst exoneration ever, we have a couple of chapters of ours lives that might compete with that. >> let's not go there. >> the laws of turkey and the chief of police in warrias, it's a long story but maureen hits it and he's sinking in the polls because of it. >> the reason a lot of those things didn't happen is because he was thwarted.

jerry nadler stood in the breach a couple of times, even corey lewandowski once and jeff sessions as well. it wasn't for lack of trying that the president was exonerated to the extent he was in that report. let's get to gene's piece in the "washington post," "democrats must cease aseize and define th moment, otherwise trump will." trump will mount this attack no matter what democrats do. and strictly as a matter of practical politics, the best defense against trump has to be a powerful offense. nowhere in the constitution does it say never mind about presidential obstruction of justice or abuse of power if

there's an election next year. does it play into trump's hands to speak of impeachment? i think it plays into trump's hands to disappoint the democratic base." >> nancy pelosi is going to walk this tightrope. she's walked tightropes before and she's going to walk this one. but, you know, in that conference call that she held with members yesterday, there was something in there for everybody and she made clear that democrats are going to move forward. the committee chairmen will move forward on the investigation and we'll see where it leads. i think that's right way to

proceed. no, it would not be right to tomorrow or next week say we're convening conveni convening an impeachment inquiry without hearing from don mcgahn. and let's walk and chew gum at the same time and the presidential candidates, the eventual nominees will define the party stance in 2020, they will take the positions they feel they should take and let the congressional leadership move forward with all deliberate speed. >> we have a few tweets from the president since he mentions us. we want to -- hi, donald, how do

youing -- you doing? we love you watch us. >> new york tell him to stop watching. it's a sickness. >> donald, i hope you're doing okay. >> nope. >> he says "fox and friends" is by far the best show and he calls me morning psycho by far. get this. hold on, everybody. who helped get me elected in 2016 by having me on. well, donald -- >> for free. >> thank you. i remember you telling jeff zucker that you didn't need cnn, the entire network of cnn to get elected but you are saying our show is so powerful that we got you elected. wow, that's great. >> i didn't know that. >> if that were the case, by the way, if we could get people elected, well, you know, mitt romney would be president and before that it would have been jon huntsman and before that john mccain but jeb bush would

be sitting in the white house right now instead of me still defending him all these years later. then he says this, in the old days if you were the president and you had a good economy, you were basically immune from criticism. by the way that, guy got impeached, donald. to the mainstream media it means nothing, but, in all caps of course, it will. >> stop looking at joe as so powerful. doesn't don't do it, donald. >> i feel like flexing my muscles right now. i'm feeling very, very -- >> is morning psycho -- >> has he done morning psycho before? no, that's it. i'm psycho joe. now it's morning psycho. can we get the lower third? can you go morning psycho

responds to faithful viewer. let's see how quickly they can get that out. can you believe, though, it is something, willie, people close to him say he watches every day. >> it's a sickness. >> i don't go on my twitter feed if i don't want to get exasperated. up know wh you know what, willie, he just can't quit us. >> the ratings have not nosedived since 2016. quite the opposite. >> not only that, he always says we've broken records every year. >> thank you for the plug, mika. >> i love it. i watch it every morning. >> if you could get him to tweet

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health officials are bracing in another uptick, if you can believe it, in the measles outbreak. 626 people across 22 states have contracted the highly contagious vehiclie i vaccine preventable disease. let's bring in dr. dave campbell, author of "the teen

formula formul formula, the parents guide to helping your child avoid substantial abuse." measles is a problem. give us an update. >> 2019, this year, will prove to be the worst suns tince the measles was eradicated supposedly in 2000, highly contagious, highly dangerous and entirely preventable with vaccination. >> that's the whole thing, right? people are choosing to be sick and to spread that around. vaccinations wipe it out, right? >> they do. this particular vaccine you need two of them. if you don't know if you've had two or your kids have had two,

get a booster. that is the best way to prevent the measles from spreading. everybody needs to be vaks -- vaccinated. >> let's move on to a new sleep study. we'll talk about the braves -- jack's braves, not the atlanta braves. but i got home late, i was still amped up at the game, got to sleep after 11:30 and i need seven or eight hours of sleep or my tonsils will follow off and my left arm will fall off. a new sleep study says that may into the be the case and i may be continue to get by on five or six hours a night. >> that's the first myth that needs to to be debunked. humans need sleep. it's a mechanical process in

your brain. your brain add body can adapt to less sleep is incorrect. snoring is mostly harmles lessh incorrect. sleep apnea has a litany of diseases that go with it. >> and drinking alcohol before bed helps you fall asleep, it may help you fall asleep but it keeps you in a nonrestorative state all day. >> that's about the window i get, six, seven hours, if i'm lucky, rarely eight.

>> it doesn't matter if you're busy or not. you need eight hours of sleep or more. >> okay. yeah, that ain't happening. dr. dave, thank you so much, though. we greatly appreciate it. we'll be back with a lot more "morning joe." >> the president tweeted and said you're dumb and sick, too. >> did he tweet and say i'm dumb and sick, too? i've been so intimidated, i'm not going to talk about how the donald's poll numbers just keep collapsing. they're at an all-time low. it makes me very sad. so i'm a psycho, i'm dumb and sick. can we get that on the lower third "morning joe"? >> no. >> we'll be right back. >> no. >> we'll be right back 25% of your mouth.

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he always acts like nothing phases him, chin in, tummy out. but trump panics like the rest of us. it's a good feeling to know. it's almost like we're on a plane with crazy turbulence and we all think we're in this alone but the pilot is in the cockpit going, "i'm f'd, i'm f'd, i'm f'd." ladies and gentlemen, there's no collusion, everything is fine. >> "i'm f'd, i'm f'd, i'm f'd." >> welcome to "morning joe" -- >> hold on, that's not my name.

>> morning psycho. >> now what did he call me, dumb and sick? talked about our poor ratings. oh, mika, you were neurotic, i think. du i'm psycho joe. dumb as a rock, too. ratings have nosedived, too angry. let's go to the next one. dumb and sick, a really bad show with low ratings, it will only get worse, cnn has been proven a disaster, in fact, it rewarded chris cuomo with a -- all right. it gives us the opportunity for thanking our team for working as hard as they do. this is like the second or third year in a row that we have record ratings. they just keep going up more and more. we thank the president for drawing everybody's attention to

it. >> it's viewers like you, mr. president, who makes it possible. we have great team that comes in and works all night, works around the clock to get the show ready. i do like how the president goes all caps -- it's like a proper noun, angry, dumb, sick with capitalized letters. it's very interesting he used that as an honorific or some kind of title for you, joe. >> if you have your decoder, it's because we read milbank's article because we said he was too dumb or too weak to fire and donald trump always talking about people who work for him who have advanced degrees from harvard, this sets him off when someone like dana milbank says he's not smart. >> joe, i would suggest we stick

with the branding here, we stick with morning psycho. this is a strong, strong element in this program. >> yes. and by the way, for the kids at home right now, "morning psycho" trending on twitter. >> okay. >> plus stupid and sick or whatever else he said. >> this is so good. >> we're debating -- >> he's the president of the united states, by the way. can you get me my t-shirt already? come on! >> kasie hunt is with us -- >> hold on, i'm sorry, i'm sorry. i hate to keep stopping because these introductions really are like poetry, mika -- >> thank you. >> i insist, alex, that we get the lightning. >> he's above it. >> when you say kasiedc.

>> kasie dc. >> 40 minutes of uninterrupted rock. >> you're so good at it. >> we're going to begin with another poll conducted -- >> maybe we can have unicorns for peter baker and bubbles coming down. >> the poll shows that president trump is hitting an all-time low. the morning consult politico poll has trump's approval rating dropping to 39%, tying his local numbers after his reaction to the deadly racist violence in charlottesville in august 2017 when he did not condemn racism. 57% disapprove of trump's job performance, up 6 points since

last week. this follows trump hitting a 12-month low in the ipsos/reuters poll, also conducted in the wake of the mueller report's release. while trump is unpopular, so is people. only 34% support the beginning of impeachment proceedings. that is down from 39% in january, 48% are opposed. joe, we were talking before the show and your analysis of these polls are so interesting because what has happened with this mueller report in some ways shows that trump's the insider now rigging the system. >> yeah. and you know, peter baker, donald trump's appeal to middle american voters was the fact that he was fighting against the system, he was fighting against the establishment, he was raging against the machine. he now has the attorney general that he wants. he has his own roy cohn, and yet everybody can read the report

and everybody can tell that he's rigged the system. and i'm sure, you know, maybe somebody bought a car that was a lemon and maybe the corporation got away with it or maybe there was courtroom injustice that went away against them or their family. but that's who donald trump now has branded himself as and he's rigged this system, he's got this attorney general that will lie for him and he's not even a good liar. so i wonder if this is, first of all, barr overselling the facts and donald trump clearly having a lawyer who is just not playing it straight with the american people. >> well, look, this is even for more conventional presidents coming in as an outsider becomes a real challenge, how do you pivot when you're the man with the most power in the world, how do you run against the machine

if you are the machine. this is going to be an interesting time for him as he tries to position himself with the electorate as the aggrieved victim of a hoax, an unfair coup d'etat by the deep state and so on. and the question is whether that will sell with the audience. the polls you just showed suggest he's still in this survey rut that he's basically been in for much of his presidency. his poll numbers have stayed in a narrow band of 35% for the most part for two years. it's a rather. he's the only president in the history of gallop polling, who has neff one day had the support of the american people. yet how he plays this weak hand polling-wise in a very strong way. he dominates the conversation, he forces everybody to react to him and he is the all-consuming factor in our political dialogue. >> let's bring into the

conversation a member of the select committee on -- congressman raja chrkrishnamoor. >> thanks for having me on "morning psycho." first bringing mule aeller on t hill to testify on the report and, second, getting a full unredacted report.

there are about a thousand redactions. 80% of them are in number one and of the 14 matters of other jurisdictions, 11 of them are completely blacked out. there are a lot of questions about what other wrong doing was discovered and we do we go from here? >> do you believe with speaker pelosi that the conversation may end up at impeachment but you should allow it to arrive at that goal, not proceeding with that goal? >> yes, i do. there are enormous set of facts in the report. i think we have to take the next steps before we arrive at the ultimate decision about impeachment. >> as a prosecutor, did you see impeachable offenses in the

mueller report? >> if you look at the obstruction section, mr. mueller laid out at least ten or a dozen instances where mr. trump influ or shut it down completely. one of the most notable examples was with mr. mcgahn, where he basically called him at home at least twice and told him to fire mr. mueller. he also chastised mr. mcgahn about taking notes about all of these conversations and at one point he said my lawyers haven't taken notes such as mr. cohen, roy cohen, and mr. mcgahn said i'm a real lawyer, i take notes. >> is that impeachable, congressman? >> potentially. we have to get to whether there's a corrupt intent behind those moves. i think there's strong circumstantial evidence that would support that finding, but that's in part what i think

we're going to be asking mr. mueller when he comes to capitol hill as well. >> congressman, it's kasie hunt. is there a point where -- it's a phrase i can't really use on television but do democrats have to make a decision one way or another about being on or off the table? we were waiting for the mueller report and we have the mueller report. now there's testimony from mueller and barr and we're waiting for that. are you going to stretch this out to the 2020 election? >> i think i know what phrase you're referring to. quite frankly right now we're just faced with the immediate next steps and questions and it's not really clear, for instance, we're going to get the full, unredacted mueller report immediately. so kind of focusing on that and bringing all of our committees on board to pursue that is really important. i think ultimately that next step, that question that you talk about will be confronted,

but right now i think we're all in agreement that at least let's take these next steps since we're agreed on that. >> congressman, thank you so much for being on morning psycho. now to that new toll of the 2020 democratic primary which shows momentum for the mayor of south bend, indiana. pete buttigieg has gained 14 points since february to place third with 15%. elizabeth warren and kamala harris both ten points or more behind. a big break between the top three and i think pete buttigieg, joe, i guess is the story there. >> peter baker, you look at that poll, it's really good news for two candidates and bad news for the rest of the field. good news for bernie sanders,

who just keeps getting stronger. maybe pete up 14 percentage points, incredible, but joe biden down four percentage points before he even starts his race, elizabeth warren down, kamala harris down 4% and beto lost almost half his support. he's only at 3%. my goodness, basically the winners are bernie sanders and mayor pete and looks like the other 48 or 49 democrats in the field are not looking quite so strong right now. >> yeah, you're tempted to say this is a reflection of name recognition as much as anything else and some of these other candidates will start to rise as their profile increases, as the debates get going in june here on msnbc.

it may be that bernie sanders really is the front-runner for now. that's a really interesting question for the democratic party, is that who they really want as their nominee? is that going to define the race even if he's not the nominee? we've seen the president going after socialism as the key defining phrase to use against democrats going into 2020. is that going what the democratic party is going to use as its mantra? >> democratic party leaders already concerned about the fact that bernie sanders is a front-runner. if you were putting money on it root -- he's going to have the money to also put a lot of ads up on tv, maybe the only candidate that has the money to put those ads up on tv in california, which have been pushed up to being earlier

contests. so bernie is the real deal and that's something the democratic party is going to have to reckon with. >> congress others can deny the fact that bernie sanders is the front-runner. the interesting thing is his voters have not moved. they have not moved. the other aspect of it is he is a money raising machine and he alone right now among the field is going to have enough money on hand to begin advertising in california and texas for their primaries, which are quite close to the in just about a year from now or less than a year from now while before the new hampshire primary, he'll be up in texas and in california on tv before -- well before those primaries are held and i don't know that any of the other candidates can raise the kind of money that he can. but, peter, apart from, let's go

back to the rouse. you were talking about donald trump as the head of the executive branch of government. right now in terms of what goes on in the white house, post mueller report. how much time is spent on planning things for the nation as opposed to fearing what trump might do to them individually in the white house, if are caught talking to the special prosecutor. >> that's a great equestion. you don't see a lot of policy initiatives coming out of this white house right now. there's little bit of gridlock going on with congress and obsession with the president for this investigation for a report he claimed about a week or so ago was exoneration, he's spending a lot of time trying to picks it a, angry at the mueller they're the ones who have provided some of the details and

stories. it makes you wonder what else he's been working on. it's been a pretty constant stream. boom, boom, boom, not just morning psycho. >> so angry. something must be bothering him. >> this is what americans don't like. >> when you go out on the cam pab this is what they say, well, i don't like the tweets. what is the mueller report at its core? it's a very careful accounting of all of that chaos that goes on inside the white house. >> and trump trying to rig voters to protect himself. >> peter, i just wanted one last thought. i was curious what your response would be. you know, mika and i have known donald for 10, 11, 12 years. and i've got to say one of the great surprises of just how bad

he has been as a politician, i say this in certain respects just as he's been brilliant in front of crowds, has been the fact that he just have absolutely no discipline. he is not a day trader, as i've said. he's more like a minute trader. and any other politician would have known mueller report comes out, there's a lot of things in there you don't want to publicize, but take the victory, say i've been cleared, now let's get to those infrastructure projects. or now let's do thing that will get everybody talking about the economy. but that's been one of the great i think defining features of donald trump's prz by tweeting or by obsessing over this mueller report, he only draws everybody's attention to it.

>> well, he does. he likes to fight. you know this better than anybody. up see it this morning. this is opportunity to have a battle and to define things. it's us versus why is he talking about impeachment? he doesn't really have anything to worry about impeachment. he told us at the easter egg hunt, no, i don't have anything to worry about. why would you bring it up on twitter? he enjoys the us versus them. he's going to go to green bay, wisconsin, have a rally and he said there's going to be a lot to talk about. you can imagine what it's going to be like. can expect a good hour, hour and a half of giving his frame for what the mueller so this is what

he chooses to talk about rather than pivoting. he doesn't like the pivot. the pivot is no what he's he's interested in doing. >> we want to get to the lates in the deadly suicide bombings. >> the death they have given security services extensive powers to detain and interrogate suspects without court orders. acovereding to the associated press, 40 people have been arrested, including the driver of the van, allegedly used by some of the suicide bombers. and they local group may have had backing meanwhile, sri la a

lankan authorities were reportedly warned about the terrorist plot weeks before that tourist destinations were being targeted. we're beginning to learn about the victims of sunday's attacks, including the children of asos billionaire's children. three of his four children were killed in the attacks, according to the bbc. uni self-a unicef is reporting that 40 children are among those killed. >> and julian castro joins us next on "morning joe." we call it the mother standard of care.

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welcome back to "morning joe." joining us, former mayor of san antonio and contender for the 2020 democrat beiic nomination, julian castro. there's a lot of you running for president. >> what is it, 20? >> your focus is immigration. what are the conditions at the border right now? >> last month we had 92,000 people come and present themselves at the border. i released what i call a people-first immigration plan. this president wants us to believe we have to choose between a border that's secure and being passionate. i believe we can make small

investments to make sure that it remains secure but we should choose compassion over cruelty, when it comes to the people presenting themselves. >> so, mr. connect maybe pete has broken through be he's going up in a lot of polls. are there a lot are other well-known establishments, you really haven't been introduced on a wide scale to many americans. i hate to ask a process question but we've got to do that if the ideas that you're going to be object what's your strategy to getting in front of iowa and new hampshire voters? >> as can you imagine, joe, i'm getting out to that early states a lot. i'm spending a lot of -- i'm not

that concerned about being a front-runner on april 23rd, 201. what i really want is to build a strong campaign so i can be a front-runner on february 3rd, 2020. so we're going out there, organizing in those states, we're going to have the debates that are coming up in a couple of months. those, of course, are going to be probably some of the most important moments that we have over those six debates between late june and when people caucus in iowa and early february and i'm confident, i can tell when i get in front of crowds in these early states that i'm gaining traction, we're building up support little by little and i think that those debates are going to be some of the defining moments of the campaign with so many people who are running, it's going to help people sort this out. >> are you confident that you're going to be able to make the debate stage unique donors, you're going to need 635,000. >> i hit the poll if there 20

people under pt dnc rules that hit the polling requirement, then up need 65,000 unique contributors and we're almost at 65,000. >> so you don't have any doubts. >> i would encourage people to go to juliancastro.com and contribute. >> do you think that's a fair requirement that the dnc has put in place? >> it's an interesting one. i don't think they've ever done something like that. i will give the dnc credit, for example, for randomizing the stages. so there's probably going to be on june 26th and june 27th ten candidates each night but we're going to draw straws for who stands on what -- >> there's no adult stage -- people if and that's the way it should be. so i give tom himself credit for

trying to come up with a way that is fair to everybody at this stage in the race. >>mr. secretary, as form so americans see almost on a daly basis the pictures of thousands of people approaching border through mexico. what are we doing or not doing about the source of this issue, the source of this problem? where are these people coming from? what's going on where they come from and what are we doing or not doing to assist at the root of the problem? >> we have one of the things i proposed is eso in a mutually

beneficial way, i believe we need to partner with those countries so people can find safety in their home country. 20 years ago most of the people coming to the southern border were mexican. they were mexican single men. they were going to come here and work and send money back to their families. today it's families from central america. one of the reasons the numbers have declined is people can find more safety and unity in mexico. that can happen in making. >> but we do certainly things, there's something called car

seat sfrrm about a month ago the president suggested we should cut off foreign aid. that would be downright stupid. weep need to go in the other direction. we actually need to make greater investments there. i believe we're going to see a payoff in that, in people being able to find security and opportunitynd less of them coming over to the united states. >> the trustees of social yesterday came out with a report saying the cost will exceed the income by next year. a lot of people will look at your ideas and sap they look good on paper, but we already can't pay for the programs that we had.

there was a very insightful article a couple of days ago, people can look it up in yahoo! finance about 60 well known american companies that didn't pay any tax last year, amazon being the best example of that. i believe that there are other things that we can do to raise significant revenue. at the same time, let me tie this back into this issue of immigration that we were talking about. you know, i've said that this play be politically incorrect to say, but what's happening right now in the united states is that baby boomers are turning 65 in record numbers, they're drawing down on social security, we have an aging population, our birth rate is declining, we see countries around the world that are grappling with aging issues, we need a young, vibrant workforce. we need a lot of these immigrants who are coming to this country. if we don't get this right, 20 or 30 years from now we're going

to be begging immigrants to come to this country. all of these issues are tied in. it is about raising revenue and we're going to show how we we c -- can do that. >> in the short term raise taxes on the wealthy and cut out corporate loopholes? >> that's part of it, sure. >> julian castro, thank you. come back. >> the most recent summit between and coming up, we'll have an update on the massage parlor case in florida that involves new england patriots owner robert kraft. "morning joe" is back in a moment. kraft "morning joe" is back in a moment at fidelity, we help you prepare for the unexpected

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>> -- a wonderful birthday present for both of you. steven on twitter has already put together the t-shirt for our time, morning psycho. >> it's a good band name. >> sounds like a talking heads show. >> psycho killer. >> i like it. "morning psycho." i like it. and donald trump -- >> he's having trouble this morning. >> he's sounding troubled this morning. right now he's going off on a conspiracy theory about how twitter is rigged against him. think about that for a second. but also attacked the "new york times" in a way that we don't find laughable. >> really weird. >> he said, "i wonder if the "new york times" will apologize to me for a second time. on this one they will have to get down on their knees and beg

for forgive neness -- they are truly the ebb -- enemy of the people." stalin banned that because it was a phrase that was too extreme for the soviet union. the president having a very bad morning this morning proving just again just how badly the mueller report was for him and his political future. >> all right. let's get to some of the other stories we're following this morning. north korean leader kim jong un will soon meet with russian president vat mir putladimir pu. kim will travel to russia in hopes of bolstering foreign support for his economic plans. the news comes after stalled

tal tal talks, after the u.s. refused to loosen sanctions. they came putin and kim are on track to meet in april but no date has been set. it will be the first meeting between the two leaders. >> a federal appeals court has rejected a bid by chelsea manning to be released from jail. the three-judge circuit handed down that decision yesterday. she has been jailed since early march after refusing to testify to a grand jury investigating wikileaks. the judges rejected the former army u.s. intelligence analyst that she was falsely found in contempt of court. she previously served years in prison for leaking a vast number of documents to wikileaks. >> and more than 30 people have filed a federal class action

lawsuit accusing florida authorities of illegally filming them at a massage parlor where new england patriots owner robert kraft and others allegedly paid for sex. they accused officials unlawfully installing cameras. none of the individuals involved in the suit have been charged with a crime. joe, there was a legal loophole that was used to actually take video of these people, like robert kraft in there. >> i just, you know, i would talk about it but i don't want to even think about it. why don't we get dave aaronberg on tomorrow to give us some insight and i will put on ear

muffs while he's talking about the filming of robert kraft's massage. >> hmm. >> kids, i hope you're not eating your oatmeal right now. >> my eye won't stop itching. >> that's a good leave it alone. >> i'm going to end this. we got a nobel prize winning economist, a really, really smart entrepreneur coming up next. let's stop our eyes from twitching, i'll stop scratching. we'll be right back with more psycho joe in just a moment. e psycho joe in just a moment. (client's voice) remember that degree you got in taxation?

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hickenlooper. >> that makes me nervous. we don't need to keep playing that. >> that was last month before he took another stab at it a few weeks later. at a time when democrats fear progress of backlash for identifying as a capitalist, our next guest argues that progressive capitalism is not an oxymoron. joining us now, he would know a thing or two, nobel prize winning economist and best selling author joseph stiglitz. he's out with a new book "people, power and profits, progressive capitalism for an age of discontent." and also with us, tom rodgers, the executive chairman of the online gaming company winn view. joe, take it away. >> donald trump is tweeting that the economy is better than it's been for a very long time. unemployment is below 4%,

unemployment for black americans lowest ever, unemployment for hispanic americans lowest ever, the poverty rate plummeting across the globe and also going down in the united states. these do seem in many ways to being a great economic times, right? >> authors good numbers. the real question is, is our growth sustainable? are we going to have that kind of get -- you can get that kind of growth if you give a sugar high from a big tax bill, from a big deficit, government increases expenditures in january 2018, creates a very big deficit between that and the tax bill. all economists have said that would goose the economy and the question was, for how long? already economists are beginning to say growth will be slowing down, and we're really within the next, you know, 12 months we think we're going to be going

down into a significant slow down in economic growth. people are talking about growth numbers of around 2%. that's not great. not after creating a trillion dollar deficit this year. that should have gotten high growth. it's not that you have to worry about the deficit itself, but what are you doing with the deficit? are you creating infrastructure? are you investing in r and d? that's not what's happening. >> let me ask you about the term progressive capitalism and how it's different from the term we're hearing a lot which is democratic socialism. if you ask elizabeth warren or if you ask pete buttigieg, you ask them that question, are you a capitalist they say yes, but. how is progressive capitalism different from democratic socialism? >> not really. progressive capitalism says we live in a market economy where

markets are going to be central, but so will government. and the idea of progressive capitalism, make sure markets work for our citizens and that's really what a lot of social democrats talk about, they want to have health care, education, retirement, jobs for everybody. and so it depends on what you're putting at that particular moment, your emphasis on. in this word, i try to keep it more balance. what i'm saying we want progressive objectives, but we also want to keep our eyes on the mechanisms which we are going to use. there's still going to be a market economy. but we need regulations. we don't want that kind of pollution where we can't breathe the air in california. we don't want the kind of abuse of the financial sector that we saw that led to the 2008 crisis. we don't want the kind of market power that the big tech

companies have been exerting. so the question is, as you began, is it an oxymoron? can you get progressive capitalism. my book tries to show how you can do it. >> so, tom rogers, you obviously spent your adult life as an entrepreneur. you helped actually found this station msnbc, you're the ceo of tivo. you've seen a lot of great moments and a lot of not so great moments. we all, of course, remember the economy struggling in 2008 and beyond. if you can, follow up on joseph's comments and talk about times where you've seen presidents like let's say bill clinton who told americans that he could protect the environment and also grow the economy. but talk about as an entrepreneur what sort of balance we need to strike here. >> well, we should note that it

is the 30th anniversary of cnbc. >> wow. >> this week. which without cnbc success msnbc would not have been spawned and msnbc has become in many ways the voice of progressives. i think over that 30 years, beyond regulation holding the market accountable in a sense and creating social goods that a free, totally unfettered market wouldn't otherwise deliver, media has held the markets accountable. cnbc's goal was to hold business and ceos and the financial sector that didn't have that much light on it accountable. and i think to your question, joe, in terms of what we have seen up and down over the years, i think trying to define a political philosophy and argue on that basis is nowhere near as effective as just going right to the issues. i think clinton had success in many ways going right to the

issues. listening to bernie sanders at his town hall last night back on i had feast on the defensive trying to find the difference between communism and socialism and the fine points of socialism in europe versus the soviet union. you're halfway through your answer before you get to the issues. and the issues of education, the issues of retirement, which the professor talks about at length in his book and really comes up with some interesting solutions, h.e.r., what i call the her issues. it's all about this year winning women's votes particularly swing suburban women vote. define her issues. let's not get caught up to define the philosophy arguments. >> tom, what responsibility do businesses have to try to fix some of this inequality. it's why bernie sanders has hit a nerve because a lot of people feel left out.

>> no doubt about it. you hear ceos, leading ceos, jamie dimon speaking out about the fact that 40% of workers are making $15 an hour which amounts to about $35,000 a year and in today's world that is just not a living wage. so it starts with admitting there's an issue and talking about it so that the business community is clearly viewed as wanting to address this inequality issues and not being indifferent to them. certainly, there is responsibility when it comes to some of the key things where businesses are a fundamental part of the economy like health care, and we're going to have to go back at that one because, obviously, it's top of mind for voters and on major issues. >> the book is "people, power and profits progressive capitalism for an age of discontent." it's out today. thank you for being on this

morning and tom, great to see you as well. still ahead new andy poling shows president trump's approval rating has slumped to post-charlottesville lows following the release of robert mueller's redacted report. but on the flip side mayor pete buttigieg, his numbers are quite different. we'll be right back.

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i think the next president needs be a lot quieter but send a enamel we're prepared to work in the national security interest of this country, to get back in the business of creating a more peaceful world. please clap. [ applause ] >> cost of an education here will be less expensive in nominal dollars in 2020 than it was in 2012. congratulations. got to clap for that. [ applause ] >> and then i started running. and every single time i have run, i have won every single congressional district in my state, including michele bachmann's. you're supposed to cheer. all right, so. >> hers was the best. that was okay. >> jeb is greatest guy. >> hold on. i thought jeb's was funny. like it was totally one of those

moments that was totally misplayed. i laughed when he said it. anyway being i'm still fighting the jeb bush battle. >> you need to know jeb's sense of humor. >> jeb has a very dry sense of humor. yes it's two and a half years later. >> good morning. welcome to "morning joe". it is tuesday, april 23rd. where is the time going, everybody. along with joe, willie and me we have msnbc be contributor mike barnicle. nbc news capitol hill correspondent and host of kacie d.c. and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson is with us as well. >> please clap. >> we'll always clap for you. all right, so, joe take a look at this. we begin with another poll conducted after the release of

mueller's redacted report that shows president trump hitting an all time low. the morning consult politico poll has his job approval rating dropping to 39% tying the record low numbers he posted after his reaction to the deadly real estatist violence in charlottesville in august of 2017. 57% disapprove of trump's job performance. this follows trump hitting a 12 month low in the ipsos/reuters poll. while trump is one popular so is impeachment. this morning consult/politico poll finds 34% support the beginning of impeachment proceedings. that's down from 39% in january, 48% are opposed. joe >> yeah. so, this is, again, what i say

all the time in politics, sometimes when you win you lose and sometimes when you lose you win. this is a great example of that. also we were all saying around the table after the barr letter came out. remember everyone ran out and started gloating. it was up on the trump right. all were gloating, oh, no this, oh, no that, this is just a witch-hunt. this all assumed -- it all assumed that americans didn't see that everybody around donald trump during the campaign either ended up in jail or ended up doing deals with the fbi, and that the report shown one lie after another after another lie. so that's part one of it. but, willie, even more bitterly ironic for donald trump, i would think, is that here you have this poll where trump usually does better in the morning consult poll than other polls from what i've seen, but here

you have him in this poll once again dropping to an all time, low lowest since charlottesville. and the reason why is because he's now gathered attorney general, who is doing an inside job for him, who is gaming the system, who americans know aren't playing straightforward, and donald trump, the outsider has become donald trump the government insider who has rigged the system for himself. americans see it. they know it's a scam. they hear him lying about it. and they are punishing at the polls. >> yeah. i mean authors terrible approval numbers, let's put it bluntly. if you're in the 30s, coming up in the third year of your presidency, that's a terrible place to be. and now people have seen the mueller report is in public view. americans can read for themselves whether or not bob

mueller could establish a conspiracy between the trump campaign and the russian government which, by the way, is the headline that president trump has taken from this because it's true. that's what be bob mueller in volume one concluded. he has that headline and yet you still see the numbers at 39%. that's a terrible number for any president but particularly coming off what trump supporters perceive as a good news. when you look at the impeachment number at 34% now you understand why nancy pelosi, the speaker of the house is holding conference calls with her members and saying pump the brakes on the impeachment talk. the investigations may lead us there, but we don't need to lead with the word impeachment. i think you saw why in that number. let's talk about that. house democratic leaders promising to push forward with aggressive investigations into president trump in the wake of the mueller report, but refusing to commit to impeaching him. four democratic leadership aides tell members news during conference call yesterday with rank-and-file members house

speaker nancy pelosi told her leadership team and chairs of major oversight committees outlined how they would move forward following the report's release. following the call pelosi told her fellow lawmakers we have to quote save our democracy. it's not about democrats or republicans it's about saving o our democracy. speaker pelosi rejected calls from several democrats to begin the process of removing president trump saying that saving the democracy does not necessarily constitute impeachment. pelosi telling her colleagues we don't have to go articles of impeachment to obtain the facts. the presentation of facts. nancy pelosi having i think was an 87 minute conference call with anybody who could call into that line. i hear a lot of you calling for impeachment. elizabeth warren is on the

campaign trail on the senate side calling for impeachment. why does she want to pump the brakes on this talk? >> because she think it's a loser in the 2020 in the house and the presidential race. she said quote he's not worth it talking about a president. and the challenge for her, i would describe their overall strategy as this. dig up as much information about the president as possible, the assumption is a lot will be negative. get it out there so voters have all of it and can make their own decision in 20. the reality is what happens if the house votes typical peach the president. it won remove him from the office. if your goal is to defeat president trump why would you go through a process that would hurt your chances of meeting that end goal. >> the politics of it is just that and i would say that, joe, the question i have for you is all along the way there are some republicans who thought about the politics of this and have sided with trump or have been a trump lackey because they want

to win their elections. at some point somebody needs to think about why we're doing what we're doing and what it's for and wasn't it all about the country? and with that i ask you, what is impeachment for? it's not a punishment, it's not a political sword. it's supposed to be a removal from office for someone who is unfit. what does that mueller report show you? i mean to me, i don't even know why it's not black and white clear. having said that nancy pelosi's job, i guess, is to worry about a lot more than just that. >> it is. you and i disagree on this front. think that democrats should move forward with impeachment because that's their constitutional duty. >> they don't need to talk about it every day but they need to ask the questions. >> go where the evidence leads them. i understand that. i'm talking as far as politics go and being part of a house of representatives back in the 1990s who impeached bill

clinton, when he couldn't get prosecuted in the senate and it ended up we gave him a very nice departing gift and that is 60% approval rating. americans are reflexively against impeachment. i always go back to john roberts when he upheld obamacare. he said do not ask me to do for you from my bench what you can take care of in the voting booth in a year. and that's how voters have felt about impeachment. it's how they felt about it with bill clinton, it's how they feel about it with donald trump. we have an election in a year, a year and a half and you look at that morning consult poll and it shows you donald trump's best hope for higher poll numbers and for re-election is for the democrats to try to remove him from office through impeachment. whether that's right, whether that's wrong, if your ultimate goal is removing donald trump from office, then impeachment

politically is the worst way to go. >> yeah. i imagine you still have a few battle scars from bill clinton impeachment. however -- >> stupid. >> however, to mika's point the constitution does not say, you know, but forget about it if there's an election in a year. it doesn't say that. i mean it does say, as lindsey graham so eloquentally put it you don't have to commit a crime. now clearly this should be -- the house has to move deliberately and it has to go forward and the first step is not to immediately convene an

impeachment inquiry. it's to let the committee chairmen exercise their subpoenas and get the information and put it out and lord knows this will take time and maybe they get to an actual impeachment inquiry and maybe they don't. they need to move forward. guess what? if they don't push ahead. if they don't lean forward i know somebody who surely will and that's donald trump. he'll be pushing forward on the bogus counter narrative of the deep state and the, you know, the coup attempt by angry democrats and this and that, and so you need to push and i urge them to push. >> gene, you write about it in the "washington post". we'll be reading about it in our must read open epidem-eds in ju minutes. mike barnicle sometimes discretion is a better part of

valor. sometimes there are cases they know they don't win they don't bring because they don't want to seat bad precedent. we can talk about baseball and kurt flood who wanted to be a free agent and they never challenged that, mlb, they didn't want to lose that case. in this case democrats can feel good about themselves saying they are doing their constitutional duty and then get rolled by the senate and donald trump is the big winner. >> joe, if you look at those numbers that we just posted up, there they are telling you one thing that's obvious to everybody walking a sidewalk today but maybe not so obvious to democratic members of the house. it is this. a majority of the american people know what they have in the oval office. they know they have a deceitful, manipulative guy who is ill prepared and unsuited for the job. they know this. so going forward the idea the house will begin implementing impeachment proceeding, gene just referred to the constitution. the constitution, there's

huascar ynoatation, no amendment in the constitution that says and it ought to stop wasting our time. and i think if they do go forward with impeachment proceeding the majority of americans are going to think they are wasting our time the voter's time. they are not getting anything done anyway. now they are opening the door to continue every day multiple times a day harassment, witch-hunt from the president of the u.n. get some hearings. get more evidence on the ground that people already know buttresses their claim about the president, incompetent, can't do to the job. >> still ahead as president trump's poll numbers dip mayor pete's head in the opposite direction. he's near the top of the democratic field. you're watching "morning joe". we'll be right back. ching "morn. we'll be right back. pnc bank has technology to help make banking easier, like... a business borrowing solution to help get a little more space with a lot less mom. or home insight,

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the latest poll of the 2020 new hampshire democratic primary shows momentum for the mayor of south bend, indiana. the granite state poll has senator bernie sanders on top with 30%. with a 12-point lead over joe biden at 18% while pete buttigieg has gained 14 points since february to place third with 15%. elizabeth warren and kamala harris both 10 points or more behind. that's a big spread between third and the rest of the pack, but mayor pete, again, you know i kind of felt this coming when we first saw him on this show. but this is still a pretty stunning rise. >> it's remarkable. i think the question will be how he capitalizes on it going forward. i think the other -- >> how he makes it a campaign. >> i think it do speaks to the reality we learn in 2020 that

our campaigns are extraordinarily national. how has pete buttigieg managed a jump like that. it's been through doing national media interviews and frankly through impressing in those interviews. >> every single time. >> every single time. >> i saw him in new hampshire and he has a residence with crowds. i mean a true resonance. >> i think a lot of these other folks are known qualities. the other two things in that poll i would point out joe biden slipping a little bit. makes you wonder if his first day will be his best day in this race. mika, i'm interested in what you think. secondly elizabeth warren really struggling in a state that's right near massachusetts. that's a big problem for her. >> the odd thing about that, there's no other candidate in the field, if you listen to what she's saying, she has put absolute specific proposals on

the table. i mean really, really thoughtful proposals on the table and she's not moving. >> well, it is a message for all candidates out there that sometimes having the most specific policy platform may not be the best thing for you. you look at hillary clinton four years ago. she actually, if you went to her website, she put together a lot of policy proposals, smart policy proposals. donald trump put together none and we saw how that turn out. and here, you know, i think that elizabeth warren has done just about everything right in this campaign. >> she has. >> i'll admit i'm surprised, because she knows what she believes. it is consistent with the democratic party. she enunciates it very well, no ambiguity. i'm surprised at that. you look at those poll numbers. you do look at the joe biden

poll numbers. not even in the race. he dropped four points. those four points went to mayor pete. you look at elizabeth warren and kamala harris down six points. you wonder if those six points went to mayor pete as well. i tell you what, he has really eclipsed most of the other major candidates over the past three weeks. >> think about what we're looking at as we leave that poll up for a second. we have the vice president, former vice president of the united states who has been a national figure for almost a half century now in a statistical tie with the mayor of south bend, indiana a city of 102,000 people, most people haven't heard of a few months ago. that's an extraordinary story. whatever happens from here that's amazing. elizabeth warren at 5%. i would say because voters don't like her ideas but she and bernie sanders have essentially the same ideas. very similar ideas at least and he's up at 30%. but, again, if you watched her town hall last night she's good

on stage. she can answer any question you throw at her. there's something else going on. if she can't do it in new hampshire, not clear to me where she can do it. >> you look at beto, mika, after this incredible "vanity fair" cover. you look at the press, gave him nonstop coverage for a week. we're all over him. he was hailed as the new great hope. he's at 3%. and has lost two percentage points. again, you look at a tale of two candidates and it's actually beto that you put next to mayor pete and see he's up 14 pints. beto is down two points. in large part it has to do with fact that mayor pete hits it out of the park every single time he's in front of a camera. >> coming up on "morning joe," president trump is tweeting about the economy this morning. among other things amid rising gas prices here at home.

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the trump administration has announced it will no longer waive sanctions on any countries that import oil from iran. the move comes as part of an aggressive pressure campaign by the administration to further weaken advertise lammist regime in iran with the goals of forcing political change. however this means eight governments that previously had been granted waivers including china, india and turkey, may now face u.s. sanctions if they don't buy iranian oil after the may 2nd deadline. oil prices rose by 3% following that decision, hitting the highest level so far this year. let's bring in cnbc national correspondent and anchor of "worldwide exchange" brian sullivan. what's until application of this. what happens as a result of this decision? >> gas prices go up not down. in some parts of california already they are paying 4.25,

4.50 a gallon. big move yesterday. here's the reality. iran don't produce as much as they used to, about 2.7 million barrels a day. most of that goes to china and india. now the trump administration is wagging its finger saying you can't buy that oil. so here's the question. if they are not getting it from iran, where do they get it? saudi arabia? maybe. t but if there's more demand for something than supply exists you know where prices go. they go up. all in all kind of an interesting time given guys that we're in the middle of a very sensitive trade negotiation with china as well. this move against iran will do economic damage to china more than anybody else right when we're trying to solidify this all-important trade deal. >> the stated objective from the white house is to deny iran's oil export and that big source of revenue.

does this move hurt iran's economy? >> it will and already has. iran sells about $50 billion of oil a year. about 40% of their government revenue comes from oil sales. many viewers are wonders you how can we tell a sovereign nation not to buy another sovereign nation's oil. we do that by stopping the flow of other business transactions through our treasury department. also remember the moisture global oil is priced in u.s. dollars. so if iran wants to sell to china, we can block certain things that china does. here's the thing. if you turn off the gps on your phone or car it's hard to follow. google. maps can't track you. there's a thing. some of these super tankers, venezuela is doing it now, they literally turn off their transponder. so it's unlikely that iran will stop selling oil. just to be done more on the black oil market. they call them ghost ships and they are very real.

coming up it's a question we pose to our guests visiting from overseas. which government is more chaotic right now? washington's or the british parliament? we'll ask that of pierce morgan next on "morning joe". n "mornin. is a ooh a

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president trump and the first lady are going to be traveling to tcu next month for their first official state visit. during that trip schedule for june 3rd through june 5th president trump will be meeting with the queen and the prime minister, if that's still theresa may. we'll be attending ceremonies marking d-day in england and france. joining us to talk about it, presenter on good morning britain and liverpool supporter

psycho pierce. it doesn't ring as well, pierce. so it's great to have you here. let's talk about first things first, obviously. you talk, if i'm psycho about anything, it is about liverpool right now. >> yes. >> and the fear. because we literally have to win out and even if we win out, win our first premier league championship ever since its become the premier league which is hard to believe, manchester city, city can still within out as well and we'll end up once again on the short end of the stick. what do you think will happen? huge game against united tomorrow. >> the good news is manchester city are playing extremely badly and has got there, thrashed 4-0. liverpool has a fantastic chance. we're now into what alex ferguson, the great coach once described as squeaky bum time.

the time of the season who ever blinks loses. you can win every game, four games left. if you do and manchester city wins them they win the league. if eritrea of you trip up the vultures will strike. i'm an arsenal fan. we got two hopes of winning the league. so, i ask you i want you guys to win. liverpool is the second dream team. the coach is a dynamic brilliant, passionate guy. he's restored a wonderful sense of belief to the liverpool team. >> talk about arsenal. you have a new coach this years finally. how are you feeling? rough weekend but overall are you all headed in the right direction? >> we had a brilliant coach for a very long period of time. first 22 years. first half he was the best in the world. second half was a slow form of

water torture. we finally saw the back of him. we now have this very dynamic spaniard who i really like. i think he's kicking them into gear, getting them back on track. we should come in the top four. arsenal fans are feeling quietly more kwft. we feel like the green shoofts spring, joe, have arrived. >> of course. one final thing and i know everybody is going to in the control room will be screaming move on to brexit. how exciting to see iax go to the top tier european football. what an incredible story. >> it shows for all football fans and i'm sorry to use the word football, it is football, it's not soccer. you can have all the money in the world. you can be real madrid, barcelona. you can be loaded with cash by

the best players in the world. the you don't have team spirit or unity it doesn't make any difference. i couldn't name an iax player. here they are, smashing big team after big team. they might well win the champions league. even if they don't they have given the world's smaller teams, smaller clubs that sense of, you know what? miracles happen if you get the team spirit right. >> no doubt about it. of course where it's total football originated. there's a rich history there. they actually played some sloppy football but still won which is a real warning if they were playing sloppy and still beat their opponent watch out. let's move on. i had a conversation with you two years ago i think now and we were talking about how -- while we americans believe that things were dysfunctiontional wi aa aa

donald trump the brits would say that's nothing. you have one man you have to deal with. we have an entire system that's melting down. i didn't believe it at the time. man, pierce, here we are two year later and britain is still paralyzed. can you explain to us why you guys can't get off a dime on this one issue that changed the course of your country's history on one vote? >> well, it comes down to whether britain should be part of the european union, 27 countries which we have been acting together with in consult with since the mid-'70s. and most people, including myself have voted to stay in the european union believe that was a pretty good thing albeit flawed in some ways. the european union is an entity. what happened is there was a reaction from the british people. the biggest democratic vote that we've ever seen in the history of our country. 17.4 million britain's voted to

leave the european union. what's happened sense and there are some parallels to what's going on in america. there's concerted desire by those who lost that vote to simply not except it. the 16.5 million people who voted to remain led by very vocal campaigners and led by parliamenti ans where two-thirds of our parliament voted to remain in the eu. they have systematically spent the last three years trying to unpick this vote and try to stop it from happening. >> pierce, do you think that's the right thing to do, or should britain just move forward and follow -- well, gosh, follow what the voters told you guys again on that one day which is sort of bizarre for us. we have so many checks and balances, one vote never resolves anything in america. >> i as a remainder, i would love this to be overturned. i would love the idea of brexit not to happen. i think it's a bad idea.

i don't think we should be parting from our european partners at this particular time. i think we'll be a small fish in a massive pond whereas we could be as part of the eu a much bigger fish, perhaps punching our weight. however, however, and it's a big however you can't ignore the will of 17.4 million people the biggest democratic vote in our history. i feel far more protective of democracy over this than i do about my own particular desire for the way the vote should have gone. and i'm very, i think, you know, i'm very disconcerted by the way our parliamenty system is screaming to overturn the will and vote electorate. british prime minister at the time was david cameron who resigned after the referendum came in. he made it clear, this is a once in a lifetime vote. no rematch. if we lose a big game, if

liverpool loses against man chester, you don't replay it because you don't like the result. you have to acset up. democracy, i think, dictates that you have to accept it. i want to say something which won be hugely popular on this particular show, i'm sure but in a way it reminds me of the 2016 result people walking around saying hillary clinton won the popular vote therefore she should be president and so on. but you have to abide by the result. >> is that's what i wanted to get to next. by the way, i wasn't going to correct you. the reason i am is because i'm going get killed on twitter if i don't. tomorrow it's united against city. we want united to win tomorrow. you say it twice i would have been blind sided all day on twitter. so i had to correct you the second time. we're actually hoping that united returns to form well and forget what happened against them this weekend. let's make the segue to donald

trump. you've written a column that really echos what we said earlier today, at least some of us were saying. yes, donald trump's approval ratings are low right now. if you want to jack them up the best way to do that is for democrats to try to impeach him. because impeachment will blow up in the democrats face and make donald trump much more popular with the voters. they do not want him impeached. >> democrats must look what happened with the clinic impeachment. learned the lessons of that. made him more popular. he left as one of the most popular presidents in modern times in america because of that brutal impeachment process which ultimately was unsuccessful. never been a successful impeachment in america. never been a successful impeachment against donald trump. why would you push for it as you come in to an athletic year. much as democrats would like, i'm sure to push for it and push

typical peach trump and make him accountable, i'm absolutely in favor of holding all politicians to account and there are issues in the miller report which he absolutely should be held to account for. however, politically, is it right for the democrats to go for an impeachment which will in the end i think simply empower trump to probably get re-elected? that's the question for the democrats. and if i was a democrat right now i would be like let's finds a candidate that can beat trump without all this stuff. let's finds somebody who has got something about them, has a vision, has a voice that can take him on. whether it's bernie sanders or somebody else, finds that person, believe in them and move forward with a more positive message than simply the one by the way hillary clinton failed which is trump is a monster you can possibly vote for him, i'm better. >> not to mention impeachment is a dead end in the republican controlled senate. so you know donald trump. you've worked with donald trump. his approach right now seems to

be let's talk about impeachment. that's a conversation he's happy to have for all the reasons you just stated. would you advise him if you were talking to him to take the win that was in the mueller report in volume one which said they could not establish a conspiracy between the campaign and just start talk about something else. or is he smart politically to encourage impeachment talk? >> i think trump is doing what he does very well which is love him or hate him he's great in sucking the media into his narrative. right now the perfect narrative for trump sim paechlt, impeachment. makes him look like a victim, like he's being atakds by the system, by the establishment. donald trump far better i say for the democrats to find somebody, believe in them whether it's mayor pete, bernie sanders, get behind a candidate you think can beat him. if you're not happy with president trump's presidency let's get happy about the vision we have for america and let's make you come with us. as the country did with barack obama. so at the moment all i'm saying

anti-trump, anti-trump. and it drives newspaper circulation. it drives television ratings. it drives support for him from his base. it's a win-win for everybody apart from the democrats and if the demonstrate want to beat donald trump it's reality check time. stop demonizing this guy because it helps him. actually stop pumping up somebody that you think could beat him. that's to me what democrats should be looking to do. >> that is actually excellent advice. i agree with you. let me ask you final quick question pierce before we go how much longer will theresa may be prime minister? >> the fascinating question, psycho, if you don't mind me calling you that. >> oh, no all my friends do. >> i get called chap by donald trump because i once was on apprentice. >> actually, it rhymes. psycho joe, like joe dimaggio.

they rhyme. >> trending number three i think in america right now psycho. congratulations. >> and as always donald we appreciate you watching. go ahead, pierce. >> final point about theresa may. she is welcoming donald trump today in a statement to these d-day celebrations in london in the start of june. i don't think she will be the prime minister because we have the european elections coming in late may. we have our own internal domestic local elections in britain. i think she's going to take a terrible dropping in both those elections. the conservative party is fractured completely over this european issue. you see nigel represents the brexit brigade if you like. his brexit party, new party stormg ahead in the polls in the european elections so you can see how this plays out. i don't think theresa may will be the prime minister of my country when donald trump comes on june 3rd. far more likely if you ask me it

might be boris johnson. >> all right. . that, of course, will not make for dull news in britain either. >> they call him donald trump with an ability to speak latin. >> okay. all right pierce morgan, thank you so much. good luck getting into europe next year. i hope you guys finish -- >> as britain comes out of europe i hope to get into europe. >> coming up next if the government can't pass legislation to reduce gun violence er doctors are looking to take things into their own hands. we'll talk about that coming up next on "morning joe". n "mornin. limu's right. liberty mutual can save you money by customizing your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. oh... yeah, i've been a customer for years. huh...

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>> that was a first look at "impossible operation," an unwinnable game depicting the devastating effects of assault rifle injuries. the initiative for stricter gun laws bands together medical professionals and family members forever changed by deadly mass shootings. joining us now is someone you saw in that portion that we just showed you, artist manuel oliver, whose son, joaquin, was killed in the parkland shooting massacre. his manuel and his wife, patricia, are cofoundering of the gun control group, change the ref. also with us, chief research officer, dr. meghan rani. it's good to have you both. thank you very much. manuel, i have to say, you know, joe and i watched the -- i guess you put it together, comedy night, the comedy night video that you did, and it was so unbelievably powerful.

>> thank you. >> and now you're putting your talents to this. so tell us about this project and what you're trying to do. >> well, here's the thing. i've been meeting with a lot of different groups, politicians, parents, doctors and also the advertising industry members. and i really think that the advertising industry is going to play a very key role in all of these culture problems that we have in this nation. so here we go. we try to be very graphic. we try to do things in a way that no one has done them before. and maybe, we can receive the changes that other kids deserve. forget about joaquin. joaquin is a victim that we -- me and his mother, are trying to make sure that he's turning into an activist. and this is exactly a powerful, very graphic way to make people understand that they don't have to go through what we went through to just get rid of these

killing machines. there's no need to have them in the hands of civilians. >> you have been traveling the country, shows up in washington at hearings. you try to get heard any way you can. and the message, dr. rani, doctors who are dealing with these situations in the ers, i think that's somewhat of a newly told story. >> yeah. >> in what is an epidemic, a crisis, or a national emergency. if you want to use some of the terms that the president is using for what's going on at the border. here's a national emergency. how to try to salvage the lives of young people when they've been ripped to shreds by bullets in their classrooms. >> absolutely. >> there are over 200 people who get injured and a hundred who die every day across the united states. and as doctors and nurses, we're, of course, honored to take care of folks who have been injured, but we also know that it doesn't have to be this way. we know that we can create solutions. for us, the solution really is a public health approach. we can solve this the same way

that we've reduced car crash deaths, right? we did research and created seat belts and air bags and decreased death substantially. we can do the same thing with gun violence. we can create solutions that bring people together and that can work now, that don't have to wait on politicians. and that's really our mission at affirm research. >> it's always a honor to have you and i'm so sorry that you have to be sitting here at this table having this conversation. god bless you and your son. i'm curious what you found over the last year in terms of bumping up against politics and bumping up against special interest groups. are you starting to see why it's been so difficult to make change on this question in america? >> yes, but i also learn a lot to make change in america. and there's three kinds of people. the ones that are afraid of talking about guns, the ones that are receiving money from the gun lobby, and for that reason they don't talk about guns, and then there's us. the ones that are not receiving money and are not in any way

okay with things like assault rifles and part of the industry behind the gun manufacturers. my kid was shot four times with an ar-15. and it took me a while to be so open and share this story about joaquin, but now i understand that somebody needs to do this. and i believe that joaquin, this is exactly what he wants. he wants his dad, and i'm still his dad, by the way, to get out there and protect my son. and maybe by protecting other kids, i'm doing exactly what hep wants me to do. >> meghan, with all due respect, and affection for the memories of your son, these wounds, these are combat wounds from ar-15s. this is not a .38 on a street corner. the lack of awareness that almost a vast majority of americans have about the danger, the scope, the depth of the

wounds created by assault weapons, what can we do to enhance the education of americans about these weapons? >> absolutely. and that's part of our mission at affirm, is to enhance education of americans about the degree to which this epidemic affects all of us. 98% of americans know someone who's been shot, who's been a victim of gun violence. and it's time for us to not be silent. we also have to recognize around 30% of americans are gun owners, right? so we have to create solutions that work for the whole country. that allow us all to stay safe. most gun owners are safe, right? so let's identify the folks that are most dangerous. let's create solutions that we can put in place now, while also remembering the memory of the kids who have lost their lives too early. but it's essential for us to speak up and not be silent. >> manuel, how is juniyour fami and what's next? >> my family is good. i mean, we are strong and my daughter iliving each day at a

time, my wife, and myself. what's next is same thing. we are going to keep on sending messages to everybody. now we have a play. it's called gauc, my son, my hero. so we're using untraditional ways of sending the message to the american culture. i wasn't raised here, okay? when they tell me, we failed as a generation, i wasn't here, when you failed as a generation. so according to that, i'm only 16 years old, which is the time that i've been there. that makes me a rebel, that will never understand that there's a chance for a student to get shot four times with an assault weapon. i will never get that. so for that reason, coming next in our life is sending the accurate message to save lives. which is important thing. this is not a red or blue problem. this is about saving lives. >> the new psa is "impossible operation," manuel oliver, thank

you very much. megan rinny, thank you, as well. and really, i'm not sure what more can be said than the message you're sending. and please come back anytime you want to share your work and your efforts with us. >> thank you. >> thank you, mika. >> thank you very much. >> and that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> thanks so much, mika. thanks, joe. i'm stephanie ruhle. this morning, separation of power struggle. nancy pelosi and other democratic leaders push for investigation over impeachment of president trump, while president trump sues to block one subpoena as the house judiciary chairman files another. and the white house orders a former staffer not to testify before congress. and presidential candidates on the trail and on the big stage. each looking for a way to separate themselves from the ever-growing pack. elizabeth warren proposes wiping out billions in student loan debt, but amy