it's close but not there. but we are -- all three markets are closing in the green today. the dow is not at its peak but doing very well. the number you're looking for at s&p 5002933, at the moment 2933 and the bell has begun to ring. that wraps it out for me. see you at 1:p.m. with stephanie. thank you for watching. deadline white house with nicolle wallace starts right now. >> hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. this is what a white house you said siege looks like. democrats naming names and setting dates for oversight hearings. the house oversight committee moving this afternoon to hold the former white house official in charge of security clearances in contempt for refusing to appear at a hearing to investigate the white house process for granting security clearances. that office under scrutiny for, among other things, granting jared kushner access to the

nation's top secrets over the concerns over the cia and over the objections of career staff. based on reporting of the "new york times," over the objections of former white house chief of staff and former white house counsel don mcgahn. the officials car klel klein, lt pawn in the stonewalling with congressional democrats. white house telling klein not to appear before that committee. speaking of don mcgahn, the chairman of the house judiciary committee issued a subpoena for him. mcgahn has emerged as robert mueller's star witness. despite the fact mcgahn refused to carry out code reds, saved the president for a more damaging obstruction report from mueller. the president ever the tv producer is clearly rattled today by the prospect of mcgann's public testimony. trump and his lawyer rudy giuliani are engaged in an effort to smear the top aide. "new york times" reports, quote,

mr. giuliani's attacks on mcgahn has unnerved white house officials who argued the white house and legal team should stop drawing attention to damaging episodes in the report, according to two people close to the white house. mr. trump has privately complained about the accounts, particularly the ones given by mr. mcgahn and has said the only way to protect himself from impeachment is to attack mueller and mcgahn. those people said, if that's what a white house under siege looks like, here is what it sounds like. donald trump today spiraling into a puddle of self-pity on twitter taking on our colleague joe scarborough, "new york times" columnist paul krugman, democrats and twitter itself. "the washington post" writing about this very moment in trump's presidency, quote, the events of the past week are threatening to redefine legal and ethical standards that have long served as constraints on the american presidency. they suggest that few, if any, of the traditional guardrails

that have kept trump's predecessors in check remain for this president and possibly those who will follow him. that is where we start today, with the two reporters who authored those two stories as well as a few of our favorite friends. ashley parker, white house reporter for "the washington post," and "new york times" washington coordinator mike schmidt. at the table congressman from florida, now an independent. good for him. alliss jordan for her aide to the president. rick stingel, an expert on all things russia. i'm going to start with you. i asked your colleague phil rucker about reporting you did many months ago about the president and white house as a pressure cooker. with donald trump's twitter feed as our window into if not his soul, his mind, what did this morning spell for you? >> the analogy phil and i always

think of with this president is teapot. at a certain point that pressure builds up to a pouille and he has to let off that steam somehow. one of the most frequent ways, of course, is twitter. twitter is sort of -- >> if you're 12, i guess. >> twitter is basic ply a realtime window into what president trump is positioning and doing at that moment. it doesn't mean he'll be thinking and doing that same thing several hours from then but it does give you a sense of when he's frustrated, angry, saw over the past 24 hours, basically sitting there stewing, watching tv, getting increasingly enraged and sharing that rage with the public in these bite sized missives. >> we're glad he shares. that's the what of the president, take us inside the why. the specter of don mcgahn likely saved him in a criminal and

legal perspective from a worse outcome in the obstruction investigation. all the same, the president clearly looking at it as a potentially politically damning thing if he's to testify. >> well, this all comes back to 2017 when the president first had to confront the mueller investigation. his lawyers sold him on the idea of cooperating. as part of that cooperating, one of the first people mueller wanted to talk to was mcgahn. now, mcgahn was really surprised the president wanted him to go in. he thought they may be setting mcgahn up for the call if the president ever got into trouble. they thought if they were going to allow the white house counsel, someone that had a special place in the west wing and in history to just go in and freely talk to investigators, it just didn't make any sense. so when he goes in, he realizes that he has to fully cooperate with them, and he basically provides them with a roadmap, a

sort ofified post to how the president behind the scenes was trying to interfere with the investigation. now, fast forward to today, the president looks at this report and mcgahn is all over it. he says, hold on a second. what's going on here? why is all this stuff in the report? why is this person who i thought would be loyal to me saying all these things that are politically damaging? the response from giuliani has to be to go after mcgahn. i think the problem they believe they have is where a january 2018ent where the president tried to get mcgahn to go back on something he had told investigators. >> mike, he has been subpoenaed by the house judiciary committee. they have set a date. where does that subpoena stand this hour? >> that will be something the white house has to figure out what they want to do on. do they want to observe privilege. do they want to stop mcgahn from going up to the hill, or do they

want to negotiate with nadler kbt sco about the scope of it. i think the thing people have to understand about mcgahn and what his cooperation may mvp, he may not be -- he's not like a black and white witness, where he'll be great for the democrats and terrible for the republicans, it's sort of a mixed bag there. as his lawyer pointed out in a story we wrote today, mcgahn never thought the president obstructed justice. if mcgahn were to go up on the hill and be asked that question and say that, although legally that doesn't really mean anything from a political perspective that would give republicans a lot of cover. they would say, hey, the guy who is mueller's chief witness says he doesn't think the president obstructed justice? legally it may not matter. if the democrats are trying to make an argument, that may hurt. >> ashley, we've seen that the president, though, in his mind has moved on from the legal phase in this. if that gave him comfort, he wouldn't be attacking the person who made a difference in his

legal fate. the president clearly moved onto the politics and optics of this. it would seem if the white house is going to handle questions about subpoenas, either from mcgahn or from mr. klein, who oversaw that security office now very much in the cross-hairs, something your paper and mike's have reported on extensively, having the combative posture toward the subject of subpoenas may not be a long sighted approach. >> well, yes and no. the president moved on and he hasn't. while it's clear in his mind it's a victory in some ways, he's still pretty angry. i think you're seeing that anger. he's also by the same token emboldened. he thinks this is a good rallying cry for 2020. he's frustrated and angry because the details that came out in the report as you discussed do not look that great for him. by the same token, he believes they have been litigated in the

court of public opinion. there wasn't that much brand-new in the longer version of the report. he thinks it will not sway his base at all. he thinks he can use this to go after democrats, portray them as overzealous and more confident fighting back against these requests from congress. the oversight scrutiny going as far as to sue chairman cummings, fighting back against witnesses who can testify, who is going to provide notes. i think you are going to see that more aggressive and combative posture because he believes it benefits him politically. he's angry and he likes an enemy and he likes to fight. >> ashley, let me follow up on another fight they decided to pick. that is over refusing to make mr. klein, the individual who has ever been this much tres coverage on his head, this

individual oversaw the office that grants and usually just processes security clearance applications. the reason he's in the news and under investigation because among other things jared kushner was granted security clearance over concerns raised by the cia, which is very, very, very rare for the cia to raise their red flag as well as concerns from then chief of staff john kelly and then white house counsel don mcgahn. what are they trying to protect by stonewalling with mr. kline and refusing to testify before the committee. >> they may not want him to go up there and explain why the president's son-in-law seemed to get special treatment in terms of his security clearance where he was able to, despite a number of concerns from people in the

security, he had access to top daily briefing. there's a reason they might not want that out, that special treatment. there's, again, the idea they believe they benefit by picking these fights. they are not going to give up anything easily. if it becomes a protracted matter, the president's base, a win for them politically not just keeping damning information out of the court of public opinion but making it seem like democrats are overreaching or overzealous or sore losers and that helps them going into 2020. >> it's an odd calculation. you've also covered the security clearance scandal. you and your colleagues rorted on jared kushner getting that clearance over the objections from the cia. is there any concern pulling on the thread would get to the substance of what that was. the official, if you start pulling the thread, the guy that oversaw the office, maybe cia officials who did the vetting or

other fbi -- are there concerns about the substance or is this all a political exercise for this white house? >> the security clearance process is one that is really classified. it's obviously protected because they don't want foreign adversaries to know how the government assesses who should and shouldn't see our secrets. the other thing, it's really something derived from the president's power. congress does not have a lot of oversight over. in some ways congress can jump up and down as much as they want, but i'm not sure they have a bunch of leverage to get at the documents they really need. they could subpoena them and go to court and have executive branch and legislature have lawsuits against each other all day. we're headed in that direction. the security clearance issue is still one that remains unresolved. we have not gotten a full accounting from the white house about why jared kushner was given a security clearance despite these objections. and you know, look, there are

still obviously a lot of questions outside the mueller report that congress will ten to look at and this obviously one of them. >> this, david jolly, is the point. the mueller report aside, this was a scandal-ridden white house. >> sure. >> before republicans lost the house, trey gowdy saw red flags around this office. this office has been a flashing red light for this white house and questions about the process. for questions top end up coming from the cia, i've filled out those forms multiple times, as have you. the idea the white house will clear these hurdles and be scandal-free seems like the biggest fantasy of all. >> sure. i think why they are pushing back on the hearing and disclosing information, in a very general broad brush, the three most common incidents that trip your security clearance are financial exposure, substance abuse or infidelity. >> foreign ties. >> foreign ties. we already know the kushner

business, if you will, is doing business overseas, soliciting money overseas. even after trump was elected, his family was trying to raise money from foreign investors into the united states. that exposure alone would be enough to trip this up. as we've seen from this administration and replete in the mueller report, donald trump tells his staff, i don't care, do it. and at some point that approaches actual violations of the law. i believe there's a lot of those contained in the mueller report. >> also, the two stories seems to be the through line, the war within. they aren't at war with democrats, they are at war with don mcgahn. they haven't been attacking democrats for wanting to impeach him since the mueller report came out. they send rudy to attack don mcgahn, aides fear of retribution. if they could execute what ashley parker described and keep their focus on the investigators they might have an argument politically but this president is incapable of that. >> no. he can't keep his eye on the ball at all. you could also argue that don

mcgahn is the only reason donald trump is narrowly going to avoid impeachment. if he does, i still think impeachment proceedings are going to go through no matter what. don mcgahn is such an interesting character in this drama because he completely used donald trump. what you pick up from reading the report is he definitely was not an admirer of donald trump but he liked the power he got from the office and from working for him and he left a lasting stamp on the u.s. supreme court, which is something that any conservative lawyer in washington would long dream of doing. so at the end of the day, don mcgahn got a lot out of the relationship. >> how do you see it, rick? >> he was the closest thing to a boy scout in the white house. >> all relative. >> he said, hey, i'm a real lawyer. remember, he would that. when he saw the president about to commit obstruction, he kind of threw himself in front of the bus. >> ten times. >> i'm not going to be the guy who is remembered for the

saturday night massacre. i think he also works -- all of these things are about storytelling. even what the prosecutors do is about storytelling. he's a pretty good storyteller. an attractive figure, articulate. a first person narrative. i think democrats would benefit from that. i would say even though they aren't tactical and donald trump is not tactical. i think they realize having a separation of powers battle actually benefits them. having article one branch against article two. whatever it is, maybe we don't want him to testify, maybe we don't want the guy who does security clearances, congress may be the only institution in america less popular than the white house and donald trump. so when they are fighting them, they are fighting against an institution that has a 14% popularity rate. >> which is why pelosi and democrats shouldn't fight on dpmpz playing field. they have let him frame the narrative. i think nancy pelosi should be more aggressive.

i think there's impeachment material in the mueller report. i think people are looking for finality. when donald trump says people don't want anymore investigations, i think nancy pelosi should listen. you're not going to find more fact post mueller report. what they have the ability of creating and mike referred to it is that damning moment. it really needs to be tight and brief. ask don mcgahn, did donald trump ask you to fire bob mueller and destruct staff to have you write a memo saying that never happened. that's you will you need. go to vote on impeachment based oppose that one moment. >> mike, you described don mcgahn as narrator for bob mueller. the president seems at a cellular level to understand what you described. the specter of televised hearings with donald trump as the narrator -- don mcgap as narrator of donald trump's conduct inside the white house, even if it doesn't lead to impeachment, and we all know what it led to at the mueller

report, no criminal charges, could still be politically perilous. >> yeah. look, mueller had a lot of confidence in mcgahn. he's cited more in the report than the other 500 witnesses interviewed. he's someone used from statements, his notes, his phone record, to show the underlying incidents occurred. mueller used him to prove what happened. you know, mcgahn, there is a great footnote buried in there that says about the firing incident, the attempted firing is that mcgahn at first had not volunteered that information, that it came up later in a conversati conversation. to try and dispel is a way to get the president who is only upon many, many questions and many hours in that windowless conference room in washington

they learned about this. that speaks to his credibility. >> ashley parker, the last question to you. we know how the president takes in information. he does it by watching television. i'm always struck on the day of the cabinet hearings, he was just as taken by the testimony of dr. ford in between blase ford he wavered on kavanaugh because he found her so compelling. i have a hard time he wouldn't find hope hicks, maybe or maybe not, these people that work with him all day every day would be if nothing else compelling eyewitnesses to the first two years of the trump presidency. >> that's absolutely right. that's what's fascinating reading the report. you see some people who never tell the truth and who largely tell the truth. going in being interviewed by

mueller's people telling the truth, a version of the truth. even trump loyalists like cory lewandowski. people the president wouldn't be thrilled to be talking. the president consumes information through television. while you or mike or i pouring over the mueller report. what the president knows about it reading the papers, what you see on tv. so he doesn't necessarily know. >> so it's an open question. he's clearly aware of don mcgahn's role. is he aware of others? not yet. depends on the morning shows and front pages of the daily papers. >> it's why we turn to both your papers every morning. ashley parker and mike, thank you for spending time with us and your reporting today. jared kushner may have spilled the beans on white house view in russian assistance in

presidential campaigns chalking the entire russian operation up to a few facebook ads. that's all it was. why does kushner appear to be toeing the line at the kremlin. donald trump jr. refused to testify for the mueller report. we'll tell you what else we're learning about that meeting with russians. 2020 democrats break glass on impeachment. see who joined elizabeth warren's call for trump impeachment. all those stories coming up. l f impeachment. all those stories coming up. ♪ ♪ ♪

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thing is a big distraction for the country. you look at what russia did, buying some facebook ads to sew descent, it's a terrible thing. i think the investigation and speculation for the last two years has had a much harsher problem to democracy than facebook ads. >> facebook ads. rudy giuliani claimed there was nothing wrong with accepting help from russians. that was in his sunday appearance. that was jared kushner, donald trump's son-in-law, sfr adviser from the white house. that was him downplaying russia's attack on our democracy, describing it as just a couple of facebook ad. this line coming after robert mueller's report revealed in breathtaking detail the scope and extent of years long russian assault which the report describes like this. quote, the russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion.

by the end of the 2016 u.s. election, russia's disinformation organization had the ability to reach millions of u.s. persons through their social media accounts. according to the report as part of its effort, russia hacked dozens of computers and stole hundreds of gigabytes of data from democrats. the report is also careful to point out that the mueller doesn't establish criminal conspiracy. russia and trump campaign shared a common goal. special counsel investigation uncovered 19 trump aides who had contact with russians including jared kushner during the campaign. a whole plot more going on here, jared, than a couple of facebook ads. joining our conversation, this is good. jeremy bash, chief of staff of cia and pentagon. former presidential envoy for global coalition to defeat isis,

served in bush, obama and trump administrations. ambassador michael mcfaul, u.s. ambassador to russia. former assistant director for counter-intelligence at the fbi frank figlusi. all msnbc cribbers. let me start with you jeremy, all the russians did was buy facebook ads? what's your reaction. >> the reason why jared has to minimize he doesn't meet his father-in-law. if we take that approach, our defenses will be down. we've seep it from the january 2017 assessment as well as testimony given this past january in front of the senate intelligence committee. the part of the report, nicole, i was most interested in was actually about mike flynn in which, as you know, mike flynn conducted this secret channel with the russian foreign minister directly and ambassador

directly after the election. the report doesn't answer why did he do it, why was he so eager to this the secret channel. why did he lie to the vice president? why did he lie to the fbi? some of the answers to these questions we won't find out until mike flynn is sentenced. interestingly the president directed national security adviser to write a fake memo to lie to the file and payingly say that neff happened. she didn't do it. >> frank, the other person who wanted a back channel to russia was jared kushner. he wanted a back channel at the russian embassy so he could communicate as a transition official with the russia about america hearing. obviously a criminal conspiracy was not charged by robert mueller but the idea that all that went on between the trump campaign and russians, it seemed jared suggesting they coordinated on facebook ads, which was news to me. the idea all that went on, it

seems ridiculous to lie at this point. why not embrace mueller's findings on the russians? >> if the russian efforts to undermine our democracy during the election was facebook ad, then hurricane katerina was a couple of raindrops. this was a deluge. futures into the weeds on this report, you see russians were deep inside local, county state election processes. they were into the hardware of voting machinery and technology and the companies that produce them. so the minimization by jared, what's the fear? the acknowledgement of the report and russia's activities will delegitimatize president trump's election. he's got to say there's nothing to see here, please move along. it keeps me going back to the question, where is the original

counter-intelligence case that led to this special counsel inquiry, what's the status of it, what was the deal with the fbi agents embedded at the special counsel's office for the soul purpose of passing intel back to fbi and counter-intelligence division. i keep looking to the house and senate intelligence committees to get some answers on where we are with come o-opting, recruit and vulnerabilities of people in this administration. >> brent, there's a section of the record i wanted to ask you about since i read it. it's the obstruction report. donald trump's efforts to get his national security officials to say he wasn't under investigation in the russia probe. it's all about interactions with cia director mike pompeo, admiral rogers and dni codes. it's chilling. i'm guessing all my viewers have read the words before but for the seven who haven't, i'll

explain a little bit. what trump does is call all these national security figures and asks them to act as mini sarah sanders or maybe sean spicer was there. in the report they were brought in as witnesses to robert mueller. i want your thoughts on that. they had better things to do. they were witnesses and i'm sure they are happy to be. they described or their aides described the president's conduct and president's request as some of the weirdest things they were asked to do. your thoughts. >> i think the section from mike rogers, of course i worked closely with cyber command with isis. that's rule number one, you're working for the president. if you don't understand that, you shouldn't be in the executive branch. at the same time you swear an oath to the constitution you're not going to violate the law. you also have your own personal integrity carrying out your file. that's really what is throughout

this report. the facts of what our country -- the challenges our country faces, i was just in china last week. unanimous assessment of our intelligence kmlt russia and china working more closely together than any time in the last 40 years, these are the kind of things our country has to pull itself together and have an agreement on the underlying facts. when you have a unanimous assessment with key facts like that that our country faces and arguing about basic fundamental functions we're going to find ourselves in trouble. >> let me press you on that. it happened today. jared kushner said the entire russian operation, if you will, was just a couple of facebook ad. that is not the assessment of the individuals you just named. >> we have to look -- the national defense strategy and nat security strategy, these were two documents approved by the president. they mat point we are in ab era of great power competition. what that means is our entire

national security strat by is focused on winning this great power competition against russia and china. so we have to look our competitors in the face and agree on the basic facts. i think it's seriously problematic senior officials are unable to do that. >> imagine, mcfaul, let me read you this section that cut me up the night i stumbled upon it. that's friday night. that's too much information about me. that's what i did, i read from. from the report march 26, 2017, the president called nsa admiral michael rogers of the president expressed frustration with russia made relations difficult. president said news stories linking him with russia were not true and asked rogers if he could do anything to refute the stories. deputy director of the nsa richard ledgeette said it was the most usual thing.

they created a memo they signed documenting the conversation and the president's request and placed the memorandum in a safe. this is out of tom clancy novels where the president is calling to saisai this, so i'm safe and they lock it in a safe. all the detailed reporting on contacts with russians. >> well, that passage is absolutely kooky. there's no other word for it. kooky. both that he would think to ask. also it means he doesn't understand what the nsa does. he doesn't understand what the president he's in charge of does. he's commander in chief, in charge of our national security and literally does not understand what the nsa does. that's what that passage meant to me. i think that's a broader theme throughout the whole report. to your point about all these contacts with the russians, number one, obviously jared hasn't read the entire report like you have, nicole, because

it wasn't a couple of facebook ads. >> another friday night, maybe. >> in particular the gru stealing information from americans publicizing it to help one candidate and not the other. and yet president trump that denied that. it sounds like that is the party line within the family. there's just two things wrong with that. one, i just don't think they understand the nature of the russian threat. i'm trying to be generous. naive having all these meetings, not understanding what the russians were trying to do. the by the way, the russians hurt the legitimacy of the president and higgs father-in-law. think about had there not been any russian operation at all, we call those counter-factuals in academia, think if they had never done anything. let's also assume president trump would have won without russian help, he would be much better off today than without all the russian activity with them. that's number one. number two, they are not

treating russia as a threat. that's wrong. their national security strategy does, most of the trump administration also does, by the way, the president of the united states does not. that to me is a huge mistake in terms of defending america's national interest. >> jeremy, plett me give you the last word. ambassador mcfaul is being generous, let me ask you to be blunt. >> they knew exactly what they were doing. the trump organization did this. they didn't care if it was a threat. they wanted to win at all costs and wanted to make a lot of money. >> can i tell you what was so loathsome about what jared did today? >> please. >> he said the report on the greatest attack against american democracy in our history was worse than the actual attack on our country. it is a profoundly unpatriotic thing to say. you might be able to say, look, we're getting involved in all kinds of things that are a bit

of a distraction here. again, as mike said, as we all said, a hostile foreign power attacked the very sacred heart of our democracy. he's saying an investigation into that was worse than the attack? no. that's a treasonous comment. >> i absolutely agree. i'm disgusted by the totality of his comments including when jared kushner said he advised mds to be as transparent as possible. he wouldn't discuss that whole debacle and attack on free speech and that horrible alliance. i'm not surprised at all that jared kushner continues to deny that the russians were actively involved in suppressing the vote in the united states. >> this is jared kushner's h helsinki moment. the people patting themselves on the back they received polling

data the campaign manager gave them, we're targeting three swing states to try to get donald trump the white house through the electoral college, which to the earlier point exhibit a why jared kushner shouldn't have a security clearance. he either knows that and doesn't care or foolish and naive to under the graphity of the comment he made. >> both daunting and scary. everyone staying put. when we come back, unpacking mysterious reference to donald mueller. that's next. reference to donald mueller. that's next. one more mile look. reply all es there's only one botox® cosmetic. it's the only one fda approved to temporarily make frown lines, crow's feet and forehead lines look better. the effects of botox® cosmetic may spread hours to weeks after injection, causing serious symptoms. alert your doctor right away as difficulty swallowing, speaking, breathing, eye problems, or muscle weakness may be a sign of a life-threatening condition. do not receive botox® cosmetic if you have a skin infection.

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a closer look at a donald trump's in robert mueller's report raises new questions about how mueller interpreted donald trump jr.'s tie to russia in 2016. from volume one of the report, quote, the office -- special counsel's office -- into to every trump meeting participants

except russian lawyer and donald trump jr., the latter of whom declined to be voluntarily interviewed by the office. then there's three lines of redactions to protect grand jury information. what's hidden in those redactions could explain why donald trump jr. was not interviewed by robert mueller's team and whether or not he was considered a target or subject of the special counsel probe. jeremy, brett, ambassador mcfaul are still here. frank figluzi. we now know like father like son don jr. did not agree to be interviewed. many ways to interpret this. he could be extremely cautious legally. also reading between the lines, there are many questions about whether, perhaps, the special counsel's office said you're a subject of this investigation. i think it would be logical for him to ask, his attorneys to ask him. a subject, that's going to shape

my decision whether i'm interviewed voluntarily. it's likely, nicole, in my opinion that the answer to that question would have been yes, you are a subject. that alarmly, probably resulted in him renewsing to be voluntarily interviewed. this redactions for grand jury purposes. did the grand jury want to see him interviewed? was there consideration of subpoenaing don, jr. if so, was he advised of his rights. doj policy, if you're the subject of a case and about to be called to give miranda rights. if you're subpoenaed to grapg they attach advice of rights to grand jury subpoena. there's a lot about this we don't know. clearly don jr. was of great interest to this special coup. >> he's right. he's too close to it, possibly a subject recall the campaign, if not trurp organization was paying for junior's attorneys

during the process. recall the mueller report would only answer questions on collusion not obstruction of justice. despite some of the posture of cooperation it looks like from the administration, it is clear from the report that trump and his son were avoiding sitting down with bob mueller because they are scared of ramifications of an interview. >> jeremy, it looks to our viewers like they got away with it, explain that. what did they get away with? it looks like by not answering questions, robert intent or conduct or junior's motives to set up this meeting to get dirt on hillary clinton, it resulted in him getting away with whatever that conduct was. >> the outcome, nicole, people targets of federal investigations can only conclude one thing, which is stone wall, stall, don't answer any questions. because if that's the mode that you're in, like the president or like don jr., there's very little they can do to come after

you if they didn't have answer. >> ambassador mcfaul, let me get you in on this question. i asked this of chuck roczenberg yesterday. if you're russia, do you had at the end of the process and say, we got away with it, let's idot again. send her back to trump tower, guys. >> they didn't get the initial things they wanted from the election. they didn't get sanctions lifted, recognition for crimea, those type of things. they certainly sewed a lot of division. they helped delegitimatize this president. i want to keep saying this to trump supporters. they did this to your guy. remember that and recall that moving forward. most importantly remember the mueller report was not a 911 bipartisan investigative report like we had after september 11th. it didn't look at the full activities of all the russians. what they did, it didn't look into what r.t. did and

"sputnik," most importantly dependent off a set of recommendations for what we need to do to prevent this from happening in 2020. we need now as a nation to pivot to those recommendations. top of my list is transparency. if you're going to meet with russians, make it transparent. you should not ask russians to help you with stealing data from your enemy and you should disclose business interests abroad especially when you're reaching out to foreign hostile governments to try to do those business deals. >> we know our allies are looking at us warily. are adversaries looking at us as a target rich environment. mentioned ki mentioned khashoggi killing, russians clearly got away with an operation, described as a political 9/11. what do our adversaries take away from this chapter? >> as a matter of u.s. strategy,

ambassador mcfaul mentioned and i mentioned it, we have a national security strategy the white house put out in 2017. it talks about principle realism, that's the theme. russia china being our global competitors. what's so disjointing, it's like the wheel doesn't connect to the engine because the actual oval office does nothing to actually look this challenge in the face and articulate realistically what our country faces. so our adversaries see that, allies see that. the value of an american happened shake being diminished as unable to pull alliances together around the world. that's ultimately going to leave us in a much weaker position global against great power competitors. >> all of you national treasures. thank you for spending time with us. after the break, another 2020 presidential candidate calls for donald trump's impeachment. we'll show you that moment after the break. chment we'll show you that moment after the break. if your moderate to severe ulcerative colitis

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clear he needs impeachment. i'll leave it to the house and senate to figure that out. >> if the house brings the impeachment proceedings before us, we will deal with them. >> if for the next year, year and a half, going into the heart of the election, all that congress is talking about is i am impeaching trump and mueller mueller mueller, we're not talking about health care, we're not talking about raising minimum wage to living wage. what i am worried about is that works to trump's advantage. >> we have to be realistic what might be the end result, that doesn't mean the process should not take hold. >> a divided 2020 field on display over the i word. as the candidates navigate how to stand out, after months of speculation, joe biden, former vice president, is expected to announce his candidacy thursday morning with a video. he will then appear at an event in pittsburgh monday.

i agree with kamala harris and elizabeth warren. and bernie sanders, walk and chew gum. >> i think the democrats have been woefully unprepared for this moment, they really have. the level of disorganization as i was saying during the break, the speaker being overseas, it is clear that even the house democratic chairmen aren't coordinated on the message, i think they missed the moment and the narrative. i think you'll see democratic presidential candidates, rip the bandaid off now you. the inevitable is coming, there will be a vote, if not on impeachment, on censure resolution. if you're a presidential candidate, you might as well say impeach donald trump because he broke the law. i am fascinated with joe biden. >> in the southern district of new york, he is already an unindicted co-conspirator. >> nancy pelosi has been

masterful legislatively, but i made the case with southern district of new york, the president was named in criminal conspiracy entered into judgment, and nancy pelosi didn't have a response. that's grounds for impeachment by itself. the question is what does joe biden do, first question on impeachment, is he going to be uncle joe among the field to say this is how we're going to handle it, or does he miss the moment as well. i think we'll be watching. >> we have been talking before, i'm a bit of an idealist, we are a nation of laws as you said, the chief law enforcement officer of america has broken the law, the problem is he has broken it so many times the democrats don't know quite what to do. the thing that's interesting to me, being more practical about the election too, is that any kind of hearing, impeachment hearing or hearing about what he did is not jugs a portrait of law breaking, it is a portrait of profound weakness. this is a man who is running on

strength. every detail in the mueller report reflects weakness, reflects weakness, ignorance, he doesn't know what to do. in the face of anytime he is challenged, he backs down, tries to go around. that's not a great platform to run on. >> it is the case and fact that democrats have a perfect opportunity to bifurcate their message. there are things that come up on the campaign trail for democrats and republicans that are different than things that happen in congress, which is why republicans usually nominate governors and leave senators and members of congress to their business in washington. do you think the belt sort of get this rhythm or do you think they'll continue to look like a party divided? >> unfortunately i think we'll see more wobbliness going forward. i wish democrats would just get their act together, push impeachment sooner rather than later, try to get it over with so it doesn't cut into summer debates and summer campaigning

cycle. right now, they could lose a little voter momentum, it is so early before 2020. to delay it is politically suicidal. >> actually, i don't think you lose by prosecuting the case he only won by cheating, he is too weak to follow laws, and the lawlessness is the undercurrent. i think impeachment around mueller is the wrong frame, it's his lawlessness. i mean, hillary clinton's relationship with the truth and lay was a central issue in 2016. donald trump is a million times, she is not even in the same category as donald trump. >> and even trump's base doesn't like lawlessness, people violating the law. the problem is democrats have to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. prosecute, bring up impeachment charges but actually pass legislation, do the common wheel at the same time. it is not easy, as will rogers said, i'm not a member of any organized political party, i'm a

democrat, and unfortunately that's proving true. >> it is pathetic it is all on the democrats to figure this out. where are the republicans? >> their reputations is resigned to history to use that phrase. democrats asked for the keys to the car, they're in control of the house, they need to do their job. i say to those worried about political fallout, there wasn't political fallout because of impeachment. caucus was in chaos, gingrich was resigning, incoming speaker was caught in infidelity. four weeks prior, the american people gave congress back to the republicans by popular vote. two years later, democrats picked up one seat, republicans won the popular vote in congress and took the white house in the electoral college. this notion there's a political fallout from standing on principle i don't find veracity. >> i nominate you to go to washington. we're going to sneak in a last break. be right back. in a last break. be right back. ®. delicious boost® high protein nutritional drink

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my thanks to three of the best of the best. and to all of you for watching. that does it for our hour. "mtp daily" starts now with steve kornacki. if it is tuesday, speaker pelosi speaks about the i word. good evening. i am steve kornacki in for chuck todd. welcome to "mtp daily." we're just now getting the first public comments from house speaker nancy pelosi, laying out her party's strategy in response to release of the mueller