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that does it for us. we will be back tomorrow live from washington. we have a former watergate prosecutor breaking down what congress can and can't do. don't go anywhere, "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. >> from russia with love. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews from washington. donald trump is smart to fear the mueller report. it makes sense that he is preoccupied with defending himself in the wake of mueller's findings. the fact that he is screaming bloody murder and tweeting with such nervousness shows his critics grasp the danger to donald trump from mueller's central finding that the russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion.
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what we are witnessing right now is a president who knows history will chalk up his election in 2016 to the help he got from the russians. trump fears his presidency will have an asterisk next to it in the history books like a major leaguer whose performance is chalked up to drug use. the president is afraid that reports of russian election interference might lead the public to question the legitimacy of his election. it's so profound it is causing at this time white house to turn a blind eye to the russian threat coming in 2020. the "new york times" reports before she was fired, kirstjen nielsen tried to focus on the white house's secretary, preparing for new and different forms of interference in the 2020 election. however, trump's chief of staff told her not to bring it up in front of the president.
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according to the "new york times" chief of staff, mick mulvaney said mr. trump equated any public discussion of maligned russian election activity with questions about the legitimacy of as victory. he makes clear that the posture towards russia is see no evil, hear no evil. the son in law and top adviser downplayed the role in the 2016 election. yesterday jared said the investigation of russian interference was worse than of the interference itself. let's watch. >> i think the investigations and all of the speculation that happened for the last two years had a much harsher impact than a couple of facebook ads. when you look at what they did and what they accomplished, that has been way more hrmful. >> this was not just a couple of facebook ads. the mueller report made clear this is a line for the history books. the russian government
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interferenced in twesweeping an systematic fashion. it's the line of the whole report. i want to start with you on this line. why is he behaving so wack fe he won. what does he care more about? his legitimacy. look, mommy, i did it, i did it. this said you did it with help from moscow. >> at no stage has he acted like an innocent man. as you said, confirming the reality of russian interference does call into question the legitimacy of that victory. what gets to the core of our democracy other than whether or not you are aided to get into that office. the more concerning thing is maybe he wants them to help him
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again. you have rudy giuliani saying it's okay to accept russian help. here's a blinking green light to help us again in 2020. >> i am trying to figure out the psycho babble here in this case understanding trump. he has fired kirstjen nielsen. they are going and he seems to not want to hear it anywhere within his counsel. don't bring that up, he doesn't like that. >> this is like fdr after pearl harbor saying i don't want to hear about the japanese. don't talk to me about the japanese or the germans. this is a part of the mueller report that i'm glad is getting attention. it was overlooked. the voluminous report and this is not over. it is not just the past. it is ongoing and given the return on investment of the
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interference in the 2016 election, we are going to see next year maybe even broader and more dramatic. is this president going to do anything about it? is he going to mobilize this government to protect our democracy? this is something that congress has to look into. i get the focus on the obstruction of justice which is important, but the reality is, there is no doubt this country was attacked, is under attack and will be attacked and the president doesn't want to hear about it. that's a problem. >> the fdr quote that is better than the one you mentioned, never mention the word rope in a family where there has been a hanging. he doesn't want to talk about the russians and what they did. help him. >> it goes to the core of his biggest fear. he won't be seen as someone who should rightly be president. the president is someone who is
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focused on his personal issues and i think the white house would say don't look at the rhetoric. look at what we have done. when you have jared kushner calling this a couple of facebook ads. this was not a couple of facebook ads. testifies not only on social media, but there were protests set up and websites to target african-americans telling them not to vote. there were so many things russia did. sources say mick mulvaney doesn't remember telling kirstjen nielsen in. >> i don't remember. >> they cannot remember. i talked to sources at the dhs and they said take it with a grain of salt. now that he is not in dhs anymore, she wants her own reputation and her own legacy. the big issue is of course that we all have heard the president over the last couple of years saying i'm not sure if russia had a big impact.
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there are so many intelligence agencies that said they did have an impact. >> robert mueller's report confirms and doubles down. those who doubt that the little russian help like bringing up the e-mails from the dn skprrks john podesta and all that stuff was embarrassing. we knew the stories because of the hacking of the dnc. i look at the numbers. trump didn't win by a landslide. he won michigan by .3 of 1%. jefferson was right, you win, you win. it was such a close election, he must wonder if he doesn't get reelection, he is the guy who won a fluke election with russian help. the russian threat to american democracy still looms. according to the "new york
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times," one senior official described homeland security officials as adamant that the government needed to step up efforts to urge the american public and u.s. companies to black foreign influence campaigns. it was stymied by the white house's refusal to discuss it. as a result, the officials said the government was failing to adequately inform americans about continuing influence. you have been in the business. not politics, government. in this case, government. the number one job of the american president is to protect us. >> and protect our democracy. this is a green light not just to russia, but they are looking at us not making these preparations and not taking defense of our democracy. if you are china or iran, i am going to come in and have my own influence. they're getting an open door. the trump people are holding the door open for foreign adversaries to attack our elections. we should be changing our laws.
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it should be illegal to do what they did in the mueller report. i was on a national campaign. i didn't need to meet with the representatives of a foreign adversary. the only reason it was not illegal yet is nobody knowledged a nominee would do that. what if the russians tried to change the vote? >> if you were a concerned american official in the national security area, what would you do to smack the russians so you wouldn't try it again. how do you teach them a lesson? >> the first thing you do is understand that you are in the middle of a cyber war and the president is the commander in chief of that war. ben is right. this is what is terrifying about all this. the signal that said it's a hoax or having the secretary of everything, jared kushner saying it's a few facebook ads. what you have is the president not only not leading the country in defense, but providing sort
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of a cover to minimize the danger of all of this. that is actually the kind of thing that ought to be bipartisan concern. if republicans want to provide cover, that is one thing. they have to take legislative steps to make sure that in fact this country is protected. that is the number one responsibility of the federal government and the president. all of this rhetoric that you are getting from the white house makes you wonder. are we committed to doing all this? one of the first things that john bolton did as national security adviser was to a polbo the position of cyber security coordinator in the white house. he wanted to go to jeff sessions and tell him to unrecuse and limit it to future attacks that would have let everyone off the hook for the 2016 attacks. all of this is a blinking green light and an invitation.
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democrats, whatever they do ought to start teeing up legislation to make it clear that this behavior is not acceptable. >> i talked to young people who buy into the idea of safe places. trump is like that. he wants a safe race in the white house where i don't hear any words about how the russians helped. it's hurtful to him. do you realize what mick mull vainy is doing? protecting the president from realities because he doesn't want to hurt his feelings. this is the babying of a president. >> this idea that the president surrounded himself with people he feels like he can trust and are loyal to him and he wants to loyalty to shield him from the things he doesn't want to talk about. i think of course one of the most striking things about the mueller report is the idea that he is not guilty of obstruction of justice because he didn't
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want to carry out the orders. the president has aides around him, trying to protect him. in some ways it's what the white house wants and if you are donald trump and you have to not discuss the things you don't want to discuss. >> that's like putting blinkers on the horse. the daily beast reported in february, trump's campaign was the only one declined the hacking of materials in the next election. when asked whether trump's campaign would rep russiaccept help in the next election. >> do you regret using information stolen by russians during that campaign and do you pledge not to do so in this upcoming campaign? >> the united states is taking strong action against the founder of wikileaks and holding him accountable. questions that were raised by the special counsel and the last
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election and aftermath have been answered. >> you know, he reminds me of molotov. this guy simulated humanity. he is talking this thing that trump wants to hear. nothingness. white sound. nobody can remember what he just said, by the way. >> he has gotten pretty good at all of that. when you think about it. how do you answer those questions. that's a fundamental question. do you regret inviting the russians to find hillary's e-mails and regret praising wikileaks and exploiting information that we now know was hacked by the russians. it should be an easy question going forward. would you pledge not to accept illegal foreign interference. that should be an easy question. again, that's not the answer that donald trump will tolerate. i think people ought to be really concerned about what's coming. not what happened in the past,
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but what is about to happen in plain sight in our election next year. >> mike pence is afraid one false move and it's nikki haley's job. that's my theory. nikki haley. he's a ruthless guy. this is the fun of it. thank you. always great to be on the show. dha charlie, i don't know where you are, but you're great. spruc president trump said he answers to no one and i am the boss and i answer to no one. how do you respond when you are the democrat who is fought so hard and with it the power of the subpoena and the power of the chairmanships mean something. this president is laughing at them. they have to find a weapon against the president. resistance from the right. can anyone stop donald trump from winning the republican
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welcome back to "hardball." president trump is using the mueller report as a pretense to behave like a king, telling congress i answer to no one. the president said as much, telling committees to buzz off when it comes to getting information about his taxes, financial ties and information on why he gave his daughter and son in law top level security clearances. >> now we are finished with it and i thought after two years we would be finished with it. no. now the house goes and starts subpoenaing. they want to know every deal i have ever done. we are fighting all of them. they are not going to win against me.
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it's enough. >> along with ignoring the u.s. constitution, the president ignores the outcome of the mid-terms when the american public was given a choice of more of same or the check on the presidency. the president lost. he opted to control the house of representatives with the democrats and with it the power to investigate and issue subpoenas. that's what they have been doing. eight committees have requested information from the president. they are tied to his private business. house democrats said he ignored or delayed document requests 35 times since january and rejected requests for officials to appear before the committee nine times. just this morning, william barr followed the boss's directives and ordered one of his deputies not to investigate why jark aed kushner and ivanka trump
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clearances. a local radio station said the president triggered what is a constitutional crisis. he is a number of the house oversight committee and the former choof of staff to nancy pelosi. i want to start with the congressman. i get the feeling that this body language is intimidating. >> the public hears this guy say it's premature or that's partisan or we will tell you about it in two weeks or some other date. they are acting like imperial gods and they decide you guys are below them. are they going to get away with this? >> no. i think he is actually triggered a constitutional crisis. we are in it. the legislative branch is separate, but coequal branch. level 1 is not article two or 14. if you order the federalist
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papers, they saw congress as the preeminent branch of government. you ignore congress's demands at your legal peril and constitutional peril. if he wants to get into that battle by having a defiance of legitimate constitutional request, the path is in the fire. >> the third branch is the courts. are you confident an appellate court or up to the supreme court will back you up with contempt of congress rulings? will they go and incarcerate people or somehow force trump to play ball? >> i believe they will and case law would suggest that. courts have been -- >> even this supreme court with kavanaugh on it? >> they have to think long and hard about taking on the legislative branch of government. if our system of constitutional checks and balances means anything, even to mr. kavanaugh, it means you have to uphold the right of the demands. >> i'm getting a new skepticism
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on this. when you watch the rulings on the census asking about citizenship. you can argue about that in all the kinds of ways. it leads so clearly in the direction of the president and secretary of congress, they are in a mind to like everybody else in the white house and the administration. they are telling the president. >> we can't control the judiciary, but we can control what happens in congress. chairman cummings and chair woman waters and chairman nadler will get it done. >> what's the kep on? . >> the subpoenas. >> he's ignoring those. >> they will continue to proceed going for the. they have to put pressure on the republicans in tough districts. they will feel the pressures and summin cummings issued a bipartisan subpoena. i believe barr and others will come to testify. >> you are going to beat
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republicans you cooperate beat last november? >> yeah. >> i wonder if they come in with a crowbar and go after this guy. along with telling congress to get lost, he fired up this tweet. i did nothing wrong. if the partisan dems ever tried to impeach, i would first head to the u.s. supreme court. not only are there no high crimes and misdemeanors, no crimes by me at all. the constitution does not work that way. if the house votes to convict and the senate convicts, it's done. there is no appeal. the supreme court has nothing to rule. the federalist. you know what he hears? something in a book somewhere. i don't read books. >> he's about to learn the hard way. if impeachment talking to
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are others. >> what was leaked? >> his schedule. that is someone who is very close to the president who leaked that. >> we have a whistle blower to came forward in public. on the whole issue of security clearances including his son in law. >> the arrogance. i know he's load and he has a lot of money and he says things like that subpoena for the tax returns was premature. like a british guy. that's premature. he said that's partisan. everything is partisan. i will be thinking about that. i will make a decision whether to respond to the subpoena may 6th. he makes the arbitrary judgments like he's the boss. where did he get this attitude? >> what's the power of congress? i would say the obvious power that everybody is familiar with, but latent powers have not been deployed. >> it's time for them to come
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out and do it. >> i agree. there is already talk about fining people $25,000 a day for not complying. the need for them to lawyer up. their careers can be profoundly damaged and ultimately people can go to jail over noncompliance. >> i think your congress needs a cheering session. you need pompoms. go, go, go! you are smart people and very calculatin calculating. you remember congress. thank you. and you work for the speaker and she's one of the smart ones. up next, former massachusetts governor is coming here to talk about trump and he said he should resign. he called him a one-man crime wave. i like it. he talks about what he said the crisis of trust in the wednesday right now. he was a very popular governor in massachusetts. he will be right here. in massachusetts he will be right here. cts of obstruction of justice.
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welcome back to "hardball." tomorrow former vice president joe biden is expected to jump into the 2020 race and shake-up an already crowded democratic field. meanwhile on the republican side, the field of primary challengers against president trump is not nearly as deep. one republican has step on to take on the president. the former republican senator
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said it would be a good idea to see a more robust primary fight. >> it would be a good thing for our country from the standpoint of issues if you had a primary where you had someone really being listened to and of substance, these things we were talking about and i could go through a list of them, they would actually be debated in a real way. >> rush limbaugh said there is no need for a debate because the republicans are the party of trump. >> the party of donald trump right now and the republican his better get on board. >> former massachusetts governor in 2020 candidate. what do you think of rush limbaugh acting like king caucus and e night unites his party?
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>> they said we didn't need and it should all be for trump. that lasted about a minute. the people are smart enough to know 50% of the cloud comes from having the first in the nation prima primary. that went nowhere. from trump headquarters, they said don't let there be a discussion. if anybody shows up at the committee meeting, move to adjourn. if that doesn't work, walk out. >> it was terrifying. >> is it fear or love? what unites everybody behind trump? >> it's fear. i don't know why people should be scared of saying the emperor has no new clothes, but they seem to be. >> you write there is a crisis of trust in this presidency and it's time for the president to resign. how can a president function if
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he inupon stinstinctively lies people and his staff. no one can trust donald trump. resign. was that a figure of speech? >> no, no. >> how will you describe your call for him to resign. >> this president would be so much better off with mike pence than donald trump. i can't begin to explain the magnitude of that indifference. people don't feel normal these days. they feel anxious. polling shows that people would return to normal conditions, what warren harding was pleased to call normalcy. they can't get it as long as trump is out there sowing division. when president nixon had to go, i was there. donald trump is saying i'm not going to comply with subpoenas because they are partisan. that's nothing but a declaration that he will refuse to engage and what he doesn't comprehend is there is law out there. the united states versus nixon decided in 1974 in the summer that said the president is not
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above the law. one time shortly after he left, president nixon was talking about the british journalist, david frost. when a president does something, it can't be -- frost said it can't be a violation of criminal law if the president does it, is that right? former president nixon said yes, but later backed off that position. it's a ludicrous position. it is however president trump's position. >> the problem is ignorance is bliss. the president lacking of any knowledge and citing the federalist papers. he doesn't fit. he thinks the u.s. supreme court can win this thing in an arbitration with the congress. where did he get that from? >> if ever there was a political question that the supreme court refuses to touch, they nailed that one. there is no basis for saying that. i don't think the president cares what's in the constitution and i don't think he's going to
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trouble himself to look. he's just saying i'm not going to engage with anybody between now and 2020. i'm going to say they are partisan. he wants to hyper space wooky the extreme antagonism between the ds and the rs and hopes he wins a coin clip in 2020. >> i have to tell you about my worry from my son today. he's a smart historian and told me about the new hampshire primary ballot. in the next primary, you get to choose which ballot you pick up. a moderate democrat or republican might vote against trump. that will send a missioner message or vote for joept because i want the party to move more to the center. if you win and people go to you and vote for you against trump, is that good for the country? >> that's a good question. i want an answer.
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what's going to happen in new hampshire? >> my argument up there is if you vote for me against trump and you don't want six more years of trump, that's a scary phrase. six more years of donald trump. if you don't want that and vote for me against trump, you are taking a direct vote against trump. if you vote for one of 15 remaining, there may be many wonderful candidates including joe biden with whom i have a long and positive relationship, but there is 15 of them. it's a more diluted vote against trump and you may not guess right. >> will think that through. i think you are a dangerous for biden. i know you are popular in massachusetts and that's close. republican presidential candidate bill weld. trump is pushing a right wing conspiracy about the obama administration spying on the campaign and he said it's just a matter of time. ted cruz's father. we are going to wait for this.
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welcome back to "hardball." just one day after president trump accepted an invitation from queen elizabeth, he is once again spreading a baseless conspiracy theory that the united kingdom helped spy on his presidential campaign. in a tweet early today, the president cited a report from a former cia analyst on the concern of one news network accusing british intelligence of helping the obama administration spy. adding wow, it's now just a question of time before the truth comes out and when it does, it will be a beauty. president trump embraced this two years ago, citing a report from a fox news commentator. here's press secretary to the white house, sean spicener march of 2017. >> on fox news, judge andrew
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napolitano said intelligence sources said that president obama went outside the chain of command and didn't use the nsa or the c, a, or the fbi or the department of justice. he used the initials for the british intelligence. this so simply by having two people saying the president needs tributes involving trump's conversations involving president trump. he is able to get it and there is no american fingerprints on this. >> at least he's wearing a green tie for st. patrick's day. he cited gchq and slaps down that charge, calling it utterly ridiculous. that didn't stop president trump in a meeting with angela merkel. >> as far as wire tapping, i guess this past administration at least we have something in common perhaps. we said nothing.
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all we did was quote a certain very talented legal mind who was the one responsible for saying that on television. i department make an opinion on it. that was a statement made by a very talented lawyer on fox. you shouldn't be talking to me. you should be talking to fox. >> it's so nixonian to play dishonestly off of someone else. fox acknowledged the network couldn't confirm the story. when asked about the president's tweet, they said they were asked to conduct wire tapping and they are nonsense. they are ridiculous and should be ignored. the debunk claim is not the only one that the president and
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>> it was an illegal investigation. it was started illegally. everything about it was crooked. every single thing about it. this was an attempted coup. this was an attempted take down of a president. we beat them. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was president trump two weeks ago before the release of
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the redacted mueller report calling the investigation an attempted coup. that's what he was talking about. the mueller report. when he championed the birther conspiracy theory, ted cruz's father having a role in the kennedy assassination and the british intelligence claim, he is accusing mueller investigators of trying to seize power. hard right commentator rush limbaugh responded to remarks hillary clinton said saying anybody else would have been indicted and congress should act. >> hillary clinton and her pals in the obama department of justice and the fbi are the ones who colluded with the russians. for hillary clinton to be talking about impeachment, she needs to be investigated and indicted and in jail. many of her coconspirators in
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this sordid affair amounted to a silent coup. >> limit bar said clinton had sour grapes. president trump tweeted a video saying thanks, rush. a former u.s. attorney and fbi official and former security counsel for the george w. bush administrations. there was a case in anatomy of a murder. don't think of a blue cow. you get that picture in your head and it's the crazy stuff of a coup, seven days in may thing. that thing didn't exist. >> i think this is the president trying to mount his defense and he's going to use conspiracy to do it and he thinks it works for him. he is taking the conspiracy theorys and making them international with the united
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kingdom, our closest ally. he is mounting conspiracy theories and will continue to go back to them. >> why now? a week after that mueller thing, why is he jabbering and coming out with this stuff every day like rain man? why is he coming out with this over and over again? >> i think he's a man obsessed with what's happening and a man slightly unhinged about him and his reputation and his presidency. he sort of lost it. when i woke up and saw the tweet about him accusing the british intelligence of spying on his campaign, that was not only embarra embarrassing, but reminded me of a crazy uncle who lost it. >> countries with less political development than ours, if you win, you arrest the other side and now it's rigged. now he is using the coup attempt. >> we don't use that language in this country at least until
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today. we don't even think that way. that's not how we operate. that's not who we are or at least who we were. to kelly's point, the notion that the british equivalent of the nsa would run an operation against us is ludicrous. the brits are the closest allies and as kelly knows, we are part of a fact of five countries. the five closest intelligence allies that includes the brits and the canadians and the new zealanders and the australians. we don't spy. we work together and share stuff. we don't spy on one another. >> this is information. i feel like we are in an alternative universe. information. that's something i didn't know. trump would not know this. he would hear that and not about it. it contradicts his notion that the whole world is out to get him. >> gchq is especially in
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disrupting terrorist plot it is. they are a close partner of the united states. i suspect that dni dan coates is on the phone right now as well as gina haskell trying to play nice and make up for what the president is saying. >> par will remember that bill barr picked up on the president's charge of spying while defending his decision to order a review of the russian investigation's origins. here's the president's lawyer. >> we want to make sure that during-eye think spying on a political campaign is a big deal. i'm not suggesting those rules were violated, but it's important to look at that. i'm not talking about the fbi necessarily, but intelligence agencies more broadly. >> you are not suggesting that spying occurred.
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>> i guess you could -- i think spying did occur, yes. i think spying did occur. >> was that for the president? he just took that -- he is just sitting there thinking out loud. trump is watching me right now. that's what i thought. >> there was this long pause before he said i think spying occurred. we don't spy. we the united states of america do not spy on americans. if we need to surveil and i can't imagine that would ever happen, we would go to get authorization to do that. the term is so loaded and so wrong. i'm surprised because bill barr knows better. >> why does he try to attack the former president so much? >> he's obsessed with the former president in all ways, shape and form. this is part of a broader playbook and reminds me a lot of authoritarian playbooks.
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talking about conspiracies against you. talking about silent coups. these are all words that dictators use a brought. looking at erdogan and brazil. it's like a kinship. >> what about the world? coup say french word and we know what it means. the military takes over from an elected government. now he's accusing somebody of pulling a coup. i don't know how you master it without the military behind you. how would you take power without the military? >> it would be a lonely coup. man probably does not succeed, thank god. >> i think about the press and reuters and all the news agencies are quoting this guy like he's a regular president. what the hell is going on in washington. great to have you on and kelly, thank you so much. i love that you work for
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republicans and democrats and you did, too. we need people like that more than ever. the trump people is looking at pennsylvania and the dems would be wise to do the same. the democrats could lose pennsylvania and republicans could lose it. that's up in the air and will probably decide the matter. you are watching "hardball." probably decide the matter you are watching "hardball." yesss, i'm doing it all. the water. the exercise. the fiber. month after month, and i still have belly pain and recurring constipation. so i asked my doctor what else i could do, and i said yesss to linzess.
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linzess treats adults with ibs with constipation or chronic constipation. linzess is not a laxative, it works differently. it helps relieve belly pain and lets you have more frequent and complete bowel movements. do not give linzess to children less than 6, and it should not be given to children 6 to less than 18, it may harm them. do not take linzess if you have a bowel blockage. get immediate help if you develop unusual or severe stomach pain, especially with bloody or black stools. the most common side effect is diarrhea, sometimes severe. if it's severe, stop taking linzess and call your doctor right away. other side effects include gas, stomach area pain, and swelling. i'm still doing it all. the water. the exercise. the fiber. and i said yesss to linzess for help with belly pain and recurring constipation. ask your doctor.
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reelection campaign met in harrisburg to talk about 2020. they know if they can win for pennsylvania, they can win it all again. it's that simple and that tough for both sides. trump won pennsylvania with three winning arguments. he would do something about illegal immigration, oppose abortion and would not be hillary clinton. it worked because a lot of blue collar voters believed the democratic party had grown too elite. as the pittsburgh friend of mine say people don't mind being used, they mind being discarded. he made clear he would hit the democrats for open borders, late term abortion and socialism. the theory of why this trifecta would work was propounded 70 years ago by a guy who was richard nixon's first campaign adviser. the rule was that voters can take up no more than three
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issues in any election to make sure all three are about your opponent and all three are negative. in the early 1950s, they destroyed the democrats with communism, corruption, and they let them out on weekend furloughs, refusing to fine teachers for not leading in the pledge of allegiance. that took did yukakis his lead to an eight-point def sis. the one democrat who might be bulletproof, illegal immigration, late term abortion and socialism is announcing his run tomorrow. joe biden. he can beat donald trump in pennsylvania. i said that because maybe other democrats can, too, but biden definitely can beat him there. it's worth thinking about it.
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without the keystone state, the democratic party is not getting through the oval office door. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. all in with chris hayes starts right now. good evening from texas. i'm in for chris hayes. i'm in houston because it was my honor to comoderate the she the people forum at southern texas university. eight of the soon to be 20 candidates had the chance to speak correctly to and answer questions from the women of color who make up such a critical part of thein the prim. if you missed any of it as it was live streamed, you are
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