washington. "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. biden's big hoorah. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. joe biden is in the race for president, saying he can bounce trump from the white house. the former vice president launched with a 2020 nomination with a clear message to wavering democrats, i am the one who can beat president trump. in his announcement video, he drew a battle line with the president, invoking the images of the deadly white nationalist rally in charlottesville and ex-coreiating the president'ses response about there being very fine people on both sides. >> with those words, the

president of the united states assigned a moral e 85 lens between those spreading hate and those with the courage to stand against it. in that moment, i knew the threat to this nation was unlike any i had ever seen in my lifetime. we are in the battle for the soul of this nation. i believe history will look back on four years of this president and all he embraces is an ab rent moment in time. if we give donald trump eight years in the white house, he will forever and fundamentally alter the character of this nation. who we are. i cannot stand by and watch that to happen. >> president trump responded welcome to the race, sleepy joe, i can only hope you have the intelligence, long in doubt, to wage a successful primary campaign. if you make it, i will see you at the starting gate. that was sporting. biden will take his fight to the president, making pennsylvania a

state president trump narrowly won in 2016 from his campaign launch. he will hold his first event on monday in pittsburgh in a schedule with a major rally in philly next month. the 18th. his focus is as politico report that is the senior adviser to president trump's election bid met in harrisburg and concerns over the president's ability to win the state in 2020. biden enters at the top of most polls and was asked what makes him the best choice. let's watch. >> why are you the best choice for democrats? >> that will be for the democrats to decide. >> with the latest poll, they have him leading by seven points over bernie sanders. in a new poll, the vice president is beating president trump by eight points if the election were held today. i am joined by barbara boxer in

california. eli is the white house reporter for the l.a. times and jamie harrison and former chair of the south carolina democratic party. we have a real journalist here. let's start with the senator. joe biden, the good, the bad and the ugly. give us the full joe, if you can, senator. >> i know i can because i have known him since the 80s. i was very touched by his video today. it wasn't me me or i i or this is what i can do and the only one who can win. he has an unbelievable personal story to tell, but he chose to look at our country and the threats to our country which are typified by that horrible comment that donald trump made. stoking division, stoking hate and fear. that's first of all. second of all, i think, with all of his warts and all of his

mistakes which we all make because we are human, he is a good person. he is willing to step up and say i didn't do right then. he has bounced back from terrible personal tragedy in his family. his own health. he got over it. he landed on his feet. i'm excited about his candidacy and i think it's going to be exciting. i do. >> what do you make of his implication. a lot of it was vivid imagery was video which i thought was fabulous. he compared charlottesville to the hitler rallies. the torch carrying and the neoclassical imagery. it looked nazi with the swastikas there. the implication he is sending is i'm the one who can stop this guy. i'm the unique candidate who can beat this guy. what did you think of him? >> i honestly think by using

this video and a lot of experts said that wasn't a big deal. i thought it was courageous. i thought it was strong. he talked about the right wing. the far right. the nazis and the kkk. it's important that we have a leader who isn't afraid to look at that and i think it established him at a different place in the race, frankly. everyone else and i love so many. they are my friends and colleagues and may may beat joe at this point. i don't know. everyone said learn about me. joe didn't do that. he talked about the country. he talked about the problems we are facing and the most important problem we are facing is this division and the hate and the fear that is stoked by this president. i was touched. i was surprised at the video. i thought it was going to be something about winning the working class vote. there will be time for that.

>> i agree so much. jamie, your thoughts about the gothic nature of this introduction into a campaign. good and evil. pretty direct. >> yeah. listen, chris, i thought it was a very powerful video and a powerful way to start. it focuses us in this primary on what's most important. we are in a battle for the soul of this nation. it's important that we remember that. it's important that democrats as we squabble about policies and who is to the left or the right that we focus and there a lot of people suffering in this nation because of the current leadership in the white house and his sick offense in the senate. we need to change that. i applaud the vice president for reminding us what is really, really important in this race. >> i want to ask you about something ethnic. some people would say racial. i like ethnic better. we are all the same race. here's a guy, a white guy, joe

biden, who served as the number two guy to an african-american president. the only one ever. how powerful is that to people of color that he was the number two guy for all those years in a close working relationship. does that ring true or is he another candidate, another older white guy? >> chris, what i have told all these presidential candidates that come to south carolina when they are talking to the african-american community, the most important thins is they show and not tell. you really have to illustrate through your practice and through your actions what it means to be able to represent these various communities. the one thing i give joe biden, as the officer, i'm not for anybody. the thing i give joe biden is in the times of pain for the african-american community, particularly here in south carolina, he was here for mother emmanuel and he sat through services and didn't have a lot of pomp and circumstance.

that means a lot to a lot of people. it's those actions that i say to all the candidates, think about running in 2028. we are going to win the white house in 2020. make sure you are out there and practicing and showing your action. how you are going to fight and what your values are. >> so well said. don't just show up for the ask. >> exactly right. >> well said, sir. after his announcement, biden was praised if not endorse bide barack obama's team. the spokesperson told nbc news, president obama long said that selecting joe biden has his running mates was one of the best decisions he ever made. he relied on the vice president's knowledge, insight and judgment throughout the campaigns and the presidency. the two forged a special bond over the last 10 years and remained close today. that's the statement from the president. biden was asked about president obama in wilmington.

here's what he said. >> why did president obama endorse? >> i asked him not to. whoever wins the nomination should win on their own merits. >> a source familiar with president obama's thinking said the former president is excited by the extraordinary and diverse talent in the field of candidates, adding it's unlikely he will throw his support behind a specific candidate this early. eli, this guy is a big candidate, biden. everybody knows him and most people sort of like him. he's very comfortable. most people are comfortable with him. he's familiar. many say first day as a candidate will be his best. it's going to be tough because he's such a target. >> he didn't make his announcement about me, me, me. he doesn't have to. he's at 25 or 30% before he's

even in the race. there is a lot of baggage by not focusing on biography. that will get prosecuted. he is offering a general election argument and a message about electability and a frame about trump. do you want eight years of a trump presidency or do you want to end it? i'm your guy. that's your guess. in 2016, democrats went with clinton thinking she was the safer choice. didn't work out. there are 20 plus candidates and there will be a couple more. this is going to be a fight. he will see if he can stay where he is right now. he can make a claim on a lot of states trump won and the rust belt, but not everybody in the party sees him and not everyone sees him. there is a hunger among some voters for somebody newer. diversity on the ticket.

. >> one of the top religious advisers is attacking mayor pete buttigeig for being gay. just for being gay. the mayor was drawing a distinct between his christian face and what he sees in the trump administration. >> couldn't be more radically different than what i see summer in this white house where there is a lot of chest thumping, not to mention abusive behavior and also a political agenda that seems to be revolving around the idea that it's too easy for poor people. it's so different than what i get when i read scripture. i get that one of the things about scripture is different people see different things. at the very least, we should be able to establish that god does not have a political party. >> the reverend tweeted pete

buttigeig is right. we have commandments to live by. the bible defines homosexuality is sin and something to be repented of and not flauted or praised or politicized. when the president was accused of an unfair adult film actor, stormy daniels, he told the associated press that messing around with the women and all that mess was nobody's business. accept tor boxer, what did you think of that double standard. nobody's business when it's trump, but this guy was born and is a gay american and has to take the root according to reverend graham. >> when religious lead ares speak out and spew hatred and that's what that is, it goes against my upbringing that you have a loving god.

i thought pete buttigeig has been incredible. take it up with your maker. we are all god's children. how a leader in a religion could spew that kind of divisiveness is unbelievable and i am also so excited to see mayor pete in this race. it's going to be a really good race. the one thing getting back to joe that he's got that no one else has, he was a heartbeat away from a great president for eight years. i know the portfolio he gave joe after the great recession. we were fighting back. he gave joe the portfolio to bring jobs back and gave joe portfolios to took him to all parts of the world. i think it's going to be really good for the whole party to have joe and mayor pete in there and the women in there. i'm proud to be a democrat right

now. maybe we don't agree on every single thing and maybe some people think we need to go young and some people say we need to go old or left or middle, we have great people there. everyone will feel comfortable with the field. >> what are do you think about the aiming thing. do you think in their 70s people lose a step or two? >> you talking to me? >> when i first met you, it's all true. not that i am allowed to talk about appearances, but you look like you are handling age very well. i heard that older people shouldn't be president. do you have a view? >> i absolutely do. it's crazy to paint everybody of a certain age with a certain brush. that goes to young people. look at mayor pete. he's an old soul and he's very young. the fact is that if you are

fortunate enough to really be strong, you are much wiser when you were a kid. i think bernie is older than vice president biden. he kind of took the age thing out of the loop here. people are going to put that all into their minds when they decide who they want. you got a president who he doest he's doing. he doesn't understand the constitution and attacking the fundamentals of our nation. i think joe and many others could beat this guy. age, i don't think that should be in the equation. in my opinion. everyone will decide. they certainly have a big field of people in their 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s. i'm waiting for someone over 80 to get in there. >> i don't know why you retired. someone who never lost an

election in her life. >> one. i lost my first one. >> how many senate races in a row did you win? >> four. >> never lost a biggie. thank you, barbara boxer from california. eli spoke. jamie, one last word. can biden get a portion of the african-american vote in south carolina? >> i think he can, but he will have to work for it like every one of the candidates. they have to build a ground operation. my basic thing to all of these candidates is, the best student of politics if you look at the history of our presidential primary in south carolina, the person who is the best at studying what happened. what happened in 08 and 16, that's the person who will beat in the primary and be the nominee for the party. >> this programming note, sunday

night i'm hosting a special documentary on mmsnbc's headliners. the man of the week, joek biden. a full hour of biden. will president trump's obstruction of congestiressiona subpoenas get him impeached. he keeps doing impeachable stuff. when are people blowing the whistle and saying enough? we have a button for it. presidential candidate eric swalwell will play "hardball." the mine field trump and his associates treated with russian operatives and why he can't get past his hillary thing and fixation on her. stick with us. oh! oh!

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democrats seeking to hold president trump accountable say they are going to gather evidence and hold hearings to establish a record of trump's wrong-doing. then and only then it seems they will decide whether to impeach him. the white house is already stonewalling three congressional committees that have requested or subpoenaed evidence related to the president and much like the endless negotiations over the president's testimony in the mueller probe, it's an effort to slow the investigation to a halt so trump can escape scrutiny. he never did testify, remember? in stonewalling congress, the white house is challenging his almost a century of legal precedent protecting the broad authority to investigate. here's harvard law professor lawrence tribe on that point last night. >> it's an astonishing exercise in arrogant obstruction of justice. we are witnessing contempt of congress and contempt of law and contempt for the american

people. >> at the same time he obstructs congress, the president is trying to have it both ways when it comes to the report. the "new york times" points out in mr. trump's world, there is a fine line between victor and victim. the president veers back and forth. the president was triumphant, claiming that mueller's findings exonerated him. >> it was a complete and total exoneration. >> total exoneration. complete vindication. >> we're are glad it's over. it's a 100% the way it should have been. >> sometimes he really does seem like alec baldwin. when the mueller report proved more damaging he once again played the victim. >> we're just went through the mueller witch hunt where you had 18 angry democrats that hate trump. they hate him with a passion. >> i know about the rigging of the system. i had the system rigged on me.

>> i am joined by democratic congressman from the house judiciary and author of the great new book, the democracy fix. congressman, i love having you as a guest. i want to ask but fighting. the democrats said we will have hearings and documents. then we will have a decision whether to proceed with impeachment or not. okay, but we are understanding the ability of this administration to foot drag and kick the can down the road is enormous. they can use months of court time. all kinds of procedural obstacles so that maybe by christmas you will get the president's tax returns if ever, and then you have hearings and a meeting to decide whether to impeach or not. i wonder what the time frame is. it looks like you never get around to it until the next election time. do you have confidence the clock is on your side?

>> yes, absolutely. first of all, congress cannot allow the president to prevent us from oversight. we have three things we can do. refer to the department of justice for prosecution because that's a crime. we don't have a lot of confidence mr. barr will do that. the second is a civil proceeding and get a citation from the dhurt bring that person into contempt. a third method we can do right away. since 1821, the supreme court recognized the inherent right of congress to hold individuals in contempt and imprison them. that was reaffirmed. congress has the responsibility and the obligation to hold individuals in contempt who do not comply with a lawful subpoena and produce documents and we ought to be prepared to imprison them. >> i love you, but let me ask you this. >> we gotta do it. >> the sergeant of arms picks up the secretary of treasury and

break past the secret service and grab him and take him to capitol hill and put him in? >> chris, that's exactly what happened in 1935. they put the person in custody for 10 days. congress has to be serious about this. we have a right to get the documents and hear the testimony under oath. oversight cannot be done without information and witnesses and testimony. if the president prevents that, we can't do oversight. we have three ways to make sure the witnesses comply and we have to use them. >> caroline, here's the question. does congress have a military power to do something like that and have enough force to take someone and deny them their freedom and someone in the administration? >> the congressman is right. the law on this is clear. whether the politics are clear is not so clear to me. >> what will the american people think if they saw congress arresting a member of the administration?

>> i leave it to politicians to make that determination. i think there are lots of tools you have that are powerful. you may use that one and it may become what's necessary. you also have the power of the purse which seems to be pretty significant one. it's not going to work in every circumstance, but when you are talking about the officials who are not complying, you can direct that whether or not. >> say no more gasoline for the airplanes. you are laughing, but -- >> they have the power of the purse and they are going write the budget. >> didn't the president stop the speaker or the democratic leader at the time, nancy pelosi from flying? he called her back to the office. he has the cajons to do this. i will make her my subservient public official by showing her i'm the boss. you do that and show the president is below you and he is

article two and you are article one. >> it's less about showing the president is below us and showing the person at the top is the american people. we are doing this on behalf of the american people who have a right to know the truth and see no one is above the law. we are going to get the witnesses and the testimony under oath and the documents we need to do this work. we have three ways to do it as well as the great suggestion of the power of the purse. we will use all the tools and they will hear the full story and see the mueller report come to before their eyes in the hearings so they can get a sense of what the president did. >> i wonder what subcommittee handles the executive office of the president. if you cut off his gas and put the airplane of his on the ground forever, he might listen. he is claiming he never tried to fire the special counsel. in a tweet today he said as has been incorrectly reported by the fake news media, i never told don mcgahn to fire robert

mueller even though i had the legal right to do so. the special counsel found substantial evidence to show otherwise n. june of 2017, the president called and directed him on the phone to have the special counsel removed. to fire mueller. mcgahn told him mueller has to go. call me back when do you it. mcgahn threatened to resign at that point. congressman, back to you. the president is willing to lie. what do you do with that? >> that's one of the reasons the president did not identify under oath in response to the special counsel's request. we need witnesses come before the committee who are under oath and explain the full context and the circumstances under which it happened where you can gather the full report and so the american people can see the story. and by the way, the president talks about 12 angry democrats.

the vast majority of the information came from his own administration. his own people. that's why he's furious. he told don mcgahn to fire the special counsel, but to lie and say that i never told to you do that. >> congressman, do me a favor. i think you are a great public servant, but i want to say one thing. when they sent a sergeant at arms to arrest steve mnuchin, i want to be there with a camera. >> is the threat of that going to force the witnesses to show up and comply. >> i want to see the police power of congress. u.s. congressman. up next, the mueller report describes a campaign getting used by russian intelligence. will the extent of the russian efforts ever be fully known? stick with us. metastatic breast cancer is relentless, but i'm relentless too.

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welcome back to "hardball." the mueller report did not find a tacet and express criminal conspiracy between the trump campaign and russian intelligence who hacked our elections t did establish multiple links between trump officials and those tied to the russian government. in some instances the campaign was receptive and found certain individuals lied to

investigators about contacts with russia and took action to interfere with the investigation. those ties showed that the trump campaign left itself wight open to rugdss. they are telling nbc news that the fbi is continuing to investigate attempts to influence the trump administration and assess the damage from the 2016 effort. congressman eric swalwell, a democrat from california, presidential candidate and member of the house judiciary committee. just one question. trump doesn't for go bluffs. you say here's the dead line like they did on his taxes. he goes no. you set another deaddeadline. no. you say you will subpoena him and the people say no. at what point do you run out of

weapons? >> we are getting close and the final weapon is not one he is going to like and it's impeachment. that was one of the articles in watergate. not complying with lawful orders. the first check is the voters. they elect and vet someone. if that person is abusive, you have the checks and balances of the congress. if the oversight and the power of the purse doesn't work, there is only one remedy. it's a road none of us want to go down, but it may be the only road to cut off the democracy. >> no money for air force one anymore. we call joe biden joe. >> uncle joe. >> he was in that diner, the pizzeria for hours. what did you make of his chances against you and what do you offer that might be different. >> now it's a party and i

welcome him to the race and i'm excited he's in the race and we are committed to beating donald trump and making sure the sunrises in america. his voice is one that will be needed. as far as how i match up against him, there will be a lot of days to make that contrast, but on his announcement day, i'm glad he's in. >> "the washington post" said an american envoy support to retrieve otto warmbier was instructed to send a 2 million dollar hospital bill from the north koreans. two people told "the washington post" the eny voi paid the medical bills on instructions passed down from president trump. the white house issued the follow statement. we do not comment on hostage negotiations which is why they have been so successful during this administration. warmbier was in a coma when sent home and died days later. was it right for the united states to write a $2 million

check to get the guy back? >> yes. we should do all we can to get people like that to hold countries couldable. this president trashed president obama for negotiations to save american lives. who are we calling our friends these days? forgive me, chris. i'm a parent to two kids under two. it's a parental metaphor. when you look at your kid on the playground and the last years we have gone from hanging out from the honor roll kids like the brits and the germans to the detention crew. the russians, the north koreans and the saudis. it's bad company, bad policy and will cost us more on the national defense and take away money we need for kids with tablets and seniors for prescription drugs. the next president will have to take the oath and go on a global

affirmation tour and tell allies we are still with them. >> it's hard to see we can do business with an sob who charge the kid to beat the hell out of a kid and we write the check. the times highlighted a portion of the mueller report where his fixation on hillary clinton. he wanted jeff sessions to reverse to order the prosecution of hillary clinton. he added his request stands apart because it shows mr. trump tried to target a political rival, something that no president since richard nixon has done. so much of trump is third world. arrest the people if you get elected and charge it as a rigged election if you lose. the less developed democracies. he has taken us back in time since before the founding fathers. it's over and he wants to arrest him and put in prison. >> this is from a guy who may still be exposed to criminal

liability when he leaves office. he wanted hillary clinton to go to jail, he put him on his team or made him the national security adviser and his team is criminally exposed. what he has done is not only accepted help from the rugs, not only invited help, but meeting like a russian authoritative figure. when i talk to people in iowa and the industrial midwest, the reason we are most concerned about the russia interference is they did this so that russians don't ask for what we have. they turn us against each other and take away free ideas, free markets, and a freedom to dream and we start to look like them. their people don't want that, but how it hurts us is hard work doesn't add up to anything anymore. it's like an oligarch system. you don't have law and order and all the benefits stay on the top floor and everyone else gets crumbs. it's important to not let this

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it's those times it was always appropriate to challenge another senator's judgment. never appropriate to challenge their motive. when you challenge the motive, it's impossible to get to go. all we do today is attack the oppositions of both parties, their motives. not the substance of their argument. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was former vice president

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welcome back to "hardball." former vice president joe biden now the 20th candidate to enter the 2020 race. he will make his case as to why he is the best purpose to beat president trump. the other candidates handled themselves in this campaign. a new poll from the george town university find voters contradict themselves. four out of five voters believe compromise and common ground should be the goal for political leaders. nearly the same number exactly said they are tired of leaders compromising their values and want them to stand up and fight. okay. executive director of politics and public service and michael steele for house speaker john boehner. what are we to take from this

poll. compromise or fight for values? >> this is like the toughest tight rope for even the most skilled politician to walk of the incentive structure to go out and act good and be civil to one another or is it to stand up and fight? can you brent the two? the interesting thing i thought about this poll -- >> has anybody done that? buttigeig, there is lanes. not left or right. we don't hate the other side and the other is we hate the other side. a lot of people say trump is evil and must be fought any way we can beat him. you have buttigeig who is more moderate in his voice. kamala harris is a bit more aggressive. bernie sanders is a lot more aggressive. >> cory booker is doing hugs and love. >> he's a lot more about that. the differences are less

ideology than the best way to take on trump. do you fight fire with fire. >> amy klobuchar is trying to be nice. she called it the woman next door. >> right. what this poll clearly shows is there is four main actor who is have the power to clean up their act. one, republican political leaders. two, democratic political leaders, number three, the media and number four the voters. media, political leaders, all culpable and voters blame them, but voters need to take responsibility and the contradiction shows why. political leaders it need to police their own. as long as they send the mixed message, they will continue to have the state. >> fine, go after me. i know every time i walk down the street, they don't say you

are so nice to politicians. i don't push them enough. nice try, give me the answer. answer the question. we are supposed to be tough. >> we're are living with the fallout of 2008 and both party's bases feel they had been betrayed in washington. it hasn't gotten better and you have the tearing apart of the lives and our nation. >> here's the latest on the poll. voters were pessimistic about where the country could be heading. when asked to rank the division, they believed we were nearly three quarters of the way of being at the edge of a civil war. how close are we to an actual fighting battle of gettysburg. >> is no political division. the majority of the country said three quarters of the way there. >> who decides? the trumpites and the anti-trumpites, right? >> i don't know.

it's a rural-urban or is it racial? the divisions are more than just logical right now. this sums it all. you see this level of pessimism with republicans and democrats and independents. younger voters were less pessimistic. that might be because they haven't known it any other way than this. >> what i notice that is different than growing up, my dad had buddies that played golf once a week. they were not rich, but his friends were all democrats. he never talked politics. they lived in the same world. today you know how it works. you go to a party, you assume one party is there. democratic or republican. people were saying i don't know anybody who would vote for trump. i don't know anyone who doesn't like trump. they are different worlds. >> in the 70s, the country was

far more divided on a number of important issues, but people were not drenched in politics the same way. it's so pervasive because of the 24-hour television and facebook. i can't go on facebook to check my friend's birthdays without seeing a screen about politics. it's everywhere and dominates everything. >> mitch landry said i don't pick my friends on the basis of politics. what? in this town they do. >> that's a controversial comment. vice president biden has gotten in trouble with that. >> we will continue this conversation. how rough and tough you should be and how nice occasionally should you be. occasionally. thank you so much. >> former fellow of ours. >> i like that georgetown elite. thank you, michael steel. up next, and good values. nelson mandella's words from a quarter century ago in america. you are watching "hardball." - choosing to foster a child

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a quarter century ago i was in south africa covering the first election open to all races. it was an exciting moment in history like the fall of the berlin wall. it was racial segregation known as apartheid and the election of nelson mandella in prison 28 years for battling for that moment. as president, this great man,

one of the greatest of human rights is how his words resonate what's happening in our country. he speaks to those who see racial diversity as a basis for national unity and those who use it to divide. here he is in the midst of his historic win. >> we have used diversity in order to build a strong nation, unlike the party that used diversity to keep us divided. to foment racial hostility among south africans. our vision of south africa therefore has been one where you have the bill of rights which entrenches the right of every south african. >> joe biden made a similar appeal and spoke of a president who refuses to condemn outright racism and backs racial

separation, american apartheid as fair-minded. the message is powerfully simplular and to fight off evil, we must constantly call it out for what it is. that's "hardball" for now. all in with chris hayes starts right now. >> tonight on all in. >> america is coming back like we used to be. >> the man at the top of the polls finally enters the race. >> we are in the battle for the soul of this nation. >> tonight, can joe biden's general election strategy to attack donald trump work in a contested democratic primary. >> i dream about biden. >> then is the president creating more problems for himself when he calls his former white house counsel a liar? >> don mcgahn is a really good guy. >> pay appreciate that the president does have a concern for christian values. >> a trump supporting evangelis