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>> that's all for this edition of ""dateline."" i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. good morning, i'll phillip mena at msnbc world headquarters. here's what's happening. not again. another place of worship attacked by a gunman. >> just standing there, shooting, shooting everybody. >> the suddenly deadly nightmare that played out in a matter of minutes. new details this morning about the victims and what drove the shooter. a tale of two presidents. one at a current campaign rally rousing his supporters and the other with a warning and not so veiled jab. a new poll on 2020. who's the front-runner among democrats and one clear factor
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that could decide the race. would he begin with breaking news. new details on the synagogue shooting in california. one person is dead and three were injured. it happened as worshippers were preparing to celebrate the last day of passover. police have a 19-year-old suspect in custody. they say he walked into the synagogue and open fire with an assault-style rifle. president trump praised the response from law enforcement officers and condemned the hate. >> america's heart is with the victims of the horrific synagogue shooting in poway, california, just happened. our entire nation mourns the loss of life, prays for the wounded and stands in solidarity with the jewish community. we forcefully condemn the evil of anti-semitism and hate, which must be defeated. >> nbc's cal perry joining us from powyay, across the street
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from where it happened. >> reporter: good morning. as victims are recovering in the victim, so, too, are the victims there. that 19-year-old entering the synagogue around 11:30 in the morning. something took place horrific inside that synagogue. a number of people were shot. community leaders and authorities saying it could have been much worse. a short time after the shooting began, the shooter left, hopped in his car, phoned authorities and took credit for the shooting. >> as he was in en route he heard chp scanner of a suspect who called into chp to report that he was just involved in the shooting and his location, which was rancho bernardo and interstate 15. as officers exit interstate 15,
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clearly saw the suspect in his vehicle. he jumped out of his car, hands up and was immediately taken into custody in san diego police department. he clearly saw a rifle sitting on the front paej seat of the suspect vehicle. the suspect, as i said, was taken into custody without any further incident. >> reporter: now, one of the things we'll be waiting on confirmation of exactly what kind of rifle was recovered. earlier reports suggest an ar-15. that's a rifle popular in these mass shootings. the shooting could have been much worse. authorities are looking into the possibility that rifle may have jammed inside the synagogue. in is a country, phillip, unfortunately is averaging since the parkland shooting a year ago is averaging one mass shooting every day. >> do we have any more details on exactly how the suspect was captured? >> reporter: yeah. we know that the suspect left
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the synagogue on his own at some point the shooting stopped on its own without sort of the involvement of police. there was an off-duty customs and border patrol officer in the synagogue. we understand he was able to get a shot off at that suspect as he fled. not able to hit the suspect but able to hit the car. whether or not that played into the suspect actually fleeing is something the investigation will be looking into. cal perry joining us from the scene in california. cal, thank you. i want to bring in retired atf special agent and msnbc terrorism expert jim cavanaugh. thank you for joining us. we know the fbi and atf are investigating this case and looking into the open letter you should the same name. how do you think that will play a role in the investigation? >> these haters, they wear their motive publicly. it's on their sleeve. they put tattoos on their arms. i've even this these guys draw
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swastikas on their cars. i mean, they talk about who they are. they talk about who they hate. it's going to turn out he hates everyone, everybody and his pet lizard because he wants to kill everybody. he dmemonstrated that at the synagogue yesterday. we will hear statements they utter during the attack, they scream out their motive, yell it out, i hate jewish people or i hate whoever they're talking. the motive is eating them alive, basically. they're cowards. i would contrast the bravery with this rabbi who might have been shot from some public reports, might have been shot in the hand and continued to preach
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to his congregation. also he called the highway patrol because he's so scared. he doesn't want to get shot. he wants to get arrested. when the first deputy arrives, his hands are going straight up. that's the coward these are. we have to stop this. this guy, we hear his name today, i don't want to hear it again. unfortunately, in the business we're in as law enforcement and analysts we all know his name and we'll have to, but i'd like for the public to forget it and him not to gain the infamy. >> he's young, 19 years old, being questioned by the fbi as well as homicide investigators. the mayor of poway told us the shooting was a hate crime. how does law enforcement go about making that determination,
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if something is a hate crime or not? >> clearly it's from the suspect. we get it by the suspect telling us those things, exhibiting, posting it online in public media, telling his friends, wearing tattoos, they wear shirts with hate, march torch-literallies in charlottesville, they join groups with hate. ldl is an unbelievable organization, i've worked with them for years and the southern poverty law center are the two big groups that help law enforcement identify those haters when activity is afoot. they do it themselves but law enforcement will root out the motive. we are looking that this gun might have malfunctioned. this guy is only good at hate. that's the only thing he's good at. he's not good at anything else. he can't carry out his act, thank are god, to a degree that could be so vulgar we wouldn't want to hear about it.
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his gun might have jammed, some kochlt ngregats -- we had an off-duty chp officer fire at him. >> we pray this won't happen again. lo and behold, it happens again. is there anything that could have prevented this specific incident based on the information we have this early on? >> well, it's happening right now. here's what you have to understand. when i was on the msnbc a few weeks ago and richard lui, we talked about the mosque attack in new zealand. in the interview i remember saying, we're going to have an attack, we'll have a revenge by isis-style terrorist, al qaeda style terrorist somewhere? the world will avenge this. lo and behold, we had that. we had that in sri lanka last week where they attacked all the churches on easter. you can see how they work.
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their mind is not a mystery to law enforcement intelligence worldwide. we see how they work. this guy likewise was inspired by the pittsburgh synagogue and new zealand mosque attack because he hates everyone. the propaganda of the deed is an old anarchist strategy that the killing promotes more killing. right now, this is the sad part, right now there's people in america and the world who will get inspired and are planning to do other attacks on some innocent people somewhere. so, it has to come down to all the good citizens, really. that's the very bottom beginning. when you know people are going into this hate world, they're going in, they're going to destroy themselves. hate destroys that person. if you know that person, love that person or associated with that person, you need to go to law enforcement and help them if
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you don't care about anything else because they're going to destroy themselves. >> wise words from jim cavanaugh. thank you for joining me this morning. >> thanks, phillip. now to politics, a poll just out, giving a fresh look at the race for the presidential democratic nomination. joe biden is on top with 17% after officially entering the race. bernie sanders is right behind him, 11%, followed by pete buttigieg, 5%. then kamala harris at 4%. president trump rallying his base in wisconsin, wasting no time attacking the democratic front-runners. >> can you imagine sleepy joe, crazy bernie. you look at the candidates, i
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think pocahontes is out. >> and barack obama sitting down about fear. >> fear induces closed-mindedness. leaders who feed fear typically are also ones who avoid facts. >> also this morning, lawmakers preparing for a grilling on capitol hill this week. attorney general barr preparing to testify before the judiciary committee on the mueller report and that will all start on wednesday. how judiciary committee jamie raskin told me what the committee is looking to find out from barr. >> the committee is interested in the propaganda rollout of the mueller report, the definition of what was in it. we want to know why he went around, parading the president's phrase of no collusion. >> let's go to the white house now and nbc's hans nichols. good morning. we heard the president strike a number of familiar themes last
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night, including his rebuke of the mueller investigation. >> reporter: look, we had the greatest hits from the president last night. that's fairly common when he does these rallies. he likes to go offscript and do what he thinks got him to the white house in the first place, and that is talk to some of his people, talk to the people that elected him, propelled him. you did hear him talk about the witch hunt, talk about the scum at the top of the government, the 21 that were part of that mueller investigation. there's nothing really new. for the president, this was counterprogramming back in washington. the president didn't mention it. he said there's no place i'd rather be than in wisconsin on a saturday night. he did bring up his press secretary, sarah huckabee sanders. she mentioned last year she didn't get much of a welcome so she was glad to be in wisconsin. we heard the president condemning what happened in california, the attack on a
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synagogue. in general, nothing new from the president. this week the challenge will be how the white house and the justice department actually testifies before capitol hill. what they say and how they explain how william barr explains his decision to use those phrases that aren't really legal in basis, like no collusion. >> so many people wanting to hear from the attorney general this week. hans nichols as always, thank you. >> joining me, daniel lippman from politico and david mark, deputy news editor for the washington examiner. thank you for joining me. daniel, you just heard trump once again bringing up the mueller report at his rally. a new article from "the boston globe" says the president could start to face some political peril if he keeps talking about the investigation. do you agree with that or is this solidifying his messaging to his base? >> i think after while that article will totally be true because for most americans,
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watching these trump rallies, if it comes down to 2020, during that election year, and he's still painting himself as the victim, the martyr of the mueller inquiry and not actually talking about his agenda for the future and what he wants to do in the second term, then a lot of voters, especially those in the suburbs, with women who he is weak with right now will think to himself, why is he not actually focusing on something that can help me and the mueller inquiry was over in 2019 and he's still licking his wounds. that's not what his campaign wants him to focus on as well. >> let's hear that medley of messages the president delivered to his base last night. democrats are now the party of high taxes, high crime, open
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borders, late-term abortions, hoaxes and illusions. the republican party is the party for all americans. that's what it is. really is. and common sense. >> is this what trump's 2020 campaign is going to look like? >> that's a familiar litany of complaints by president trump against his opposition. the democrats in congress and elsewhere. this absolutely is a preview of what we're going to see for the next year and half or so. what the president is doing there is looking down his base. no coincidence that rally was taking place in coincidence that put trump over the top, won him an election in 2016. i think we'll see him back in wisconsin many times to come. >> i want to turn to attorney general barr. he's going to testify this week
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before the judiciary committees. what do you think are the key questions that need answered? >> i think what democrats will hone in on is the summary of the mueller report. why attorney general barr chose to put out the four-page summary or so several weeks before the report appeared and then -- that was only the redacted report. they're also going to want to get at, what is redacted? what's blacked out? what is the public not seeing? as long as that's out there and we don't know what else it is, democrats have a lot of fodder to go after him. what they're trying to do is tie him to president trump saying he's not an impartial actor. >> how much do you expect barr's credibility to be taken into account? >> democrats will try to destroy barr's credibility. they'll say in the press conference when he was unveiling the mueller report, he didn't do
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a good job of describing what was in it. he didn't remind americans, look at all these trump officials that mueller charged, including the campaign manager and the deputy campaign manager and national security adviser. all he said was, no conclusion and he cleared him on everything else. if you read the report in those hundreds of pages, there's lots of damaging evidence on trump and how he tried to obstruct justice. for barr, he kind of whitewashed that in his press conference. a lot of americans did not read the report. they were trying to set the narrative before democrats or media set it for them. >> daniel lippman, stick around, much more to discuss. the strategy the president is using in his subpoena fight with congress.
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comcast business. beyond fast. we're fighting all the subpoenas. there has never been a president that's been more transparent than me or the trump administration. then i get on out. the first day they're saying, let's do it again. i said, that's enough. frankly, when i go through it with the house and the senate
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and we have no conclusion, no conclusion, no obstruction, no obstruction, then we have -- again we have to go through it? >> the president last week threatening his administration would fight any and all subpoenas in what he calls a congressional witch hunt, even asserting executive privilege in what the associated press predict could be a long and messy legal battle. we turn to legal contributor katie phang. good morning. >> good morning. >> can the president use executive privilege to block current and former aides from testifying to congress when they've already spoken to bob mueller? >> that's a great question. a couple things you asked i wanted to highlight. you said current and former, that's the distinction with the difference. the presidential authority rides in the white house with donald trump and his assertion to waive or assert.
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when it comes to the robert mueller there's a very strong argument to be made by congress because the white house failed to previously assert executive privilege, it's been waived. if you think about what trump just said in his previous statements by the fact there's been no other president that's been so transparent as i have. if that's the case, if you had prior transparency in the mueller investigation, why not continue that transparency? don mcgahn sat down hours upon hours with robert mueller and spoke to robert mueller and his team about what he knew in terms of the mueller investigation. why not let don mcgahn continue to say what he says? the funny thing about the don mcgahn angle, though, phillip, is trump has tweeted and come out and said don mcgahn is not telling the truth. when it comes to that specific situation, if you sw someone saying don mcgahn is not telling the truth, that proof will not
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exist because don mcgahn has the right to prove he's telling the truth. >> is all this back and forth an attempt, do you think, to delay the investigations? if it is, what do you think about that strategy? >> there's two different theaters. there's political theater and legal theater. in terms of the legal theater, it could backfire for donald trump. trump wanting to delay this to 2020 with protracted legal battles, that could give a sign to the public that he is trying to hide things. we know he didn't give a sitdown interview or others did not give sitdown interviews to congress. some might think trump is hiding something where trump supporters might say, enough is enough. it may give some support to republicans in the 2020 race. at this point in time if it goes to court, usually we don't see
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these battles in court. people think court is where the judges will decide this issue. normally you see some type of negotiation like we saw with elijah cummings and carl klein, who will testify on may 1st about certain security clearance issues that happened when he was in the white house. >> as we heard repeatedly the president calling all these subpoenas and congressional investigations a political witch hunt. do you think he has a point here? does it strike you as purely political at this point or does congress have a legal standing behind all of these investigations? >> i think everything in d.c. is political. the fwuny thing that happens when it comes to congress threatening to hold somebody in content if they don't come to congress to testify is, it's up to the u.s. attorney of d.c. to be able to pros cute people if
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they refuse a congressional subpoena. the current u.s. attorney for the district of columbia is jessie lui, she recently turned down the job of being the third ranking person to the doj. makes you wonder why. maybe did trump see these executive privilege battles were coming down the line. people would be in contempt and maybe he needed an ally like jessie at the attorney general's office. >> maybe he's play chess. >> maybe. >> trump sued the congressional subpoenas. is this a valid lawsuit? >> there ends up being the battle between the branches of government. elijah cummings has the ability, especially since it's a house oversight committee, they acan
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check into what others are doing, including the white house and donald trump. they have the congressional ability to do this, but ultimately whether or not the white house concedes, agrees, acquiesces is left to be seen. >> katie phang, as always, we appreciate your time this morning. in the battle among 2020 democrats, 35% of potential voters who might decide the winner. we'll tell you about that. t. if you have a garden you know, t. weeds are lowdown little scoundrels. don't stoop to their level. draw the line with the roundup sure shot wand. it extends with a protective shield and targets weeds more precisely. it lets you kill what's bad right down to the root while guarding the good.
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breaking news this morning. the mayor of poway, california, is calling the shooting at a synagogue a hate crime. killing a woman and injuring three others. he later turned himself into officers. sunday masses are now canceled across sri lanka this morning, a week after easter sunday bombings killed more than 250 people. u.s. embassy in the country is telling the public to stay away from all places of worship as police continue to search for suspects. four people are dead in seattle after a construction crane fell onto several cars. it happened near google's new seattle campus during a windstorm. two victims were workers who were inside the crane at the
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time. the other two were passengers in cars. and check the calendar. it's been officially spring for a month but that didn't stop 4 inches of snow from falling in some areas around chicago. 700 flights had to be canceled out of the city's airports. we're getting a new look at the state of the race for the democratic presidential nomination. joe biden leads the field with 17%. bernie sanders is behind him with 11% and then pete buttigieg followed by kamala harris, elizabeth warren and beto o'rourke. it may be early here, but is it becoming biden is the man to beat? >> well, he's the initial front-runner. as viewers will likely remember, jeb bush was the republican front-runner in 2015 before trump announced.
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and jeb was kind of the establishment favorite. look what happened to him. joe biden does not want to be in that scenario where everyone thinks he's the guy to beat and yet he underperforms as a candidate. joe biden has some expectation that biden is not as good a candidate as others like mayor pete who has more of that raw political injury democrats are looking for in a new generation. >> david, within this poll here there are 35% of democrats who say they have no opinion yet. does this prove the race is still wide open? >> absolutely. particularly the way democrats actually decide presidential nominations. not too get too much into the weeds but they do it by apportioning delegates. in some states you can win the overall vote total and not get a majority of the delegates. that's a long way of saying it
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could be a long slog for any number of these candidates who did not come out with the majority. then there's a lot of bargaining and haggling that goes on later. it's as wide open, as daniel said, former vice president biden just entered the race. there's been questions about how he'll run, how much he'll refer to his time, as an understudy, a wingman for president obama or focus on the senate career which previously has not worked out too well when he has run for president twice before. >> let's dive deeper into the numbers. both men are in their 70s and there appears to be a generational gap. 3% of democrats under age of 30 favor joe biden while 13% favor bernie sanders. 20% favor biden and 6% for sanders. how big is the generational gap
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moving forward? >> i think it's a huge factor in future campaigns and elections but joe biden is counting on those millions of democratic base voters who have voted for him in the past and are union members and people who are working class and they are not just hip millenials living in cities who are graphic designers. there is a lot -- a big portion of the party is people who are living in the midwest to appreciate the fact that joe biden is from scranton and thinks he was a good vice president and want to reward him for that. so, the party still has tons of those voters. they're not just focused on millenials who love aoc. >> as we look at this generational gap between biden and sanders, how do you think this might impact a young candidate like pete buttigieg who's running on generational
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change? >> in theory it provides a new lane for him to run through, if you could find a way to cancel out former vice president biden and senator sanders. with mayor buttigieg, it's an open question what his platform is. he has an interesting approach so far. he seems to be running more on process issues, like eliminating electoral college, getting more out of politics. >> of all the candidates hovering around the low percentage, like 4%, 5%, which is more likely to break out? >> i think people like, you know, we should keep an eye on kamala harris, who is strong on paper and she is seen as electable. she's at the right age where
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democrats are not going to say she's unexperienced like mayor pete. it's not like she's been in the public eye for 50 years like joe biden. and joe biden is not someone when you think of the future. kamala harris is that type that brings together ethnicities and has a background to say she's tough on criminals and can appeal to people who like that sort of politics. a big debate in democratic politics is are we going to get a first gay president or the first female president? i was talking to one former obama administration official and he said that he surveyed his friends and all of them said they would -- we would probably get the first gay president. only one much them said a woman would be first to get in the oval office. >> a lot of people on the left
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looking for that diversity in the oval office. thank you so much for getting up early for us. >> thank you. mass shooting or a domestic terrorism. how the words we use to talk about violent crimes might make a difference. we want to remind you, msnbc is now live every saturday and sunday at 6:00 eastern. back in a moment at 6:00 eastern back in a moment and i don't add up the years.. but what i do count on... is boost®. delicious boost® high protein nutritional drink has 20 grams of protein, with 26 essential vitamins and minerals. boost® high protein. look for savings on boost® in your sunday paper.
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. new alarm at houses of worship at deadly synagogue. he left three dead and one injured. joining me to discuss this, bobby, columnist and member of editorial board at bloomberg. good morning. i want to know what went through your mind when you heard about this shooting. >> these days when something like this happens, the sad fact is what goes immediately through your mind is, oh, no, not again. there have been too many of these, they've been coming at us from across the world and certainly the united states. there's a familiar pattern to it in terms of the people who perpetrate these hideous crimes and the motivation behind it. the way in which they do it, the announce want of their intentions on social media, the
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publishing of a manifesto and then the horrific crime itself. the weapon is familiar. the targets are familiar. there's too much of this happening. >> sure is. after yesterday's shooting the president condemned anti-semitism and hate. it comes a day after he refused to back off his charlottesville remarks about fine people on both sides. when incidents like this happen, is it fair to connect the dots between the rhetoric that comes from our leaders and the reality that plays out on the streets? >> it's hard not to make that connection. the people are often referring to the things said by our leadership. the person in new zealand said that. we'll find out if this guy was also influenced by what was said by our president. it would be foolish not to make the connection. there's an uptick on these violent crimes since the trump
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presidency began and since the president said things like that. there's a sense among white nationalists. some violent, not all. there's a sense of -- they feel like they have a friend and a supporter in the highest office in the land. that gives them a confidence, they are on the right side of history. >> officials are looking at a number of the alleged online postings. what do chat rooms -- what might trigger someone to take the hate from the keyboard and spill it onto the streets? >> this is a familiar pattern we are seeing, they are use chat rooms, they are communicating with others who feel that way. there's an effect of turning up the dial when you're constantly being reinforced in your big triby other people around you, especially if you're not going
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out and spending much time in contact with the real world. it's hard to know if at any point his friends on chat groups told him to go ahead and do it, if he specifically laid out his plans. we've seen that before where people are cheering you on. i saw a report in which he said i think to the police he initially planned to facebook live his attack on this -- on the synagogue just as we saw in new zealand. i'm not sure why he was unable to do that. i'm glad he was unable to do that, but they learn from each other. with each passing atrocity seems to learn from the other ones. he's not only name-checking them and citing them as his inspiration, but he's actually following in their foot steps, doing things similar to what people have done. >> the southern poverty law
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center in 2018 tracked over 1,000 hate groups across the united states, but hate crimes are not prosecuted at acts of domestic terrorism. when we describe them as mass shooting instead of terrorism, do we limit the speech on gun control? >> i think it it removed by referring to it as a law enforcement matter. this is more than just about policing. this is more than just reacting to the violence after it happens. this requires the same kind of attention we're paying to islamist violence groups and quite rightly, too. we know how to do this. we've learned how to do this since 9/11, to pay very close attention to groups around the world and in the united states using all the different law enforcement mechanisms at the disposal of the government, including espionage. if we don't bring the same amount of attention to these particular kinds of groups, then
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we are allowing the possibility that some of them -- i know there are thousands of them, but if you're not paying close attention, some will sneak up on us and incidents like the kind we've seen take place yesterday will happen. the government has to from the president on down wards has to empower all the different arms of american law enforcement to bring all they're resources to bear against. what is the largest killer of americans in much more so than muslim terror? we've done a good job of keeping an eye out and preventing terror by muslim extremists. it's time to bring those resources, that knowledge, that know-how and skills to white national terrorists as well. >> we appreciate your wisdom on a sunday. thank you. politics at fear. the issue at the heart of speeches by president trump and his predecessor next. his predecessor next they really appreciate the military family
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his successor. here's what happened at dueling events. >> this was never really just about me. it was always about stopping you. >> leaders who feed fear typically are also ones who avoid facts. >> fake news. they're fake. they are fake. they are fakers. >> fear induces closed mindedness. >> nothing is more dangerous than the democrats' crazy immigration agenda. >> a lot of our politics right now is, people feeling as if their status and privileges are being taken away. >> the new agenda of the democrat party would drive our nation into economic and financial ruin very quickly. and they will take your guns away, too, by the way.
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>> joining me now, ned ryan, ceo of american majority. ned, good morning. thank you for joining me. >> good morning. >> what's your reaction to what we just heard there? >> trump is laying out what he thinks is common sense, here's what's happening. here's what people outside of the acela corridor is happening. he is stating what he thinks their priorities are. this is a mystery, why people can't understand this, what donald trump did and what he's going to do in 2020, is say here's what i'm dealing with. i'm going to address these issues and here's my plan to do so. i'm not sure what the great mystery is. >> there's the underlying theme of fear. what's the benefit of president trump pushing fear? >> i wouldn't call it fear. there's real concerns. we have big issues that we're experiencing and dealing with. he has talked about immigration.
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i think it's a problem that democrats and republicans have brought about. it's something that has to be addressed. and for him not to address that would be dishonest with the american people. i think with donald trump, i don't think of it as fear, i think of it, as i have a practical sense of what you think are your priorities. >> ned, when he is saying that people are coming from the south to rape and pillage and take their jobs, that's more than concern. there's fear he's inducing here. >> one of the things he's probably dealing with, phillip, is the fact -- again, there are people coming in, illegal immigrants. we're having to bear the burden for them financially. on this whole immigration issue, i feel like we have lost complete sight of what has taken place. we can't have a common sense conversation. we know for a fact, last month, the border patrol caught 100,000 illegal immigrants coming in.
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we know they have to be released somewhere because our detention facilities are overloaded. they are coming into this country. we are having to bear the costs for them. at some point, we actually have to have that conversation. there is a situation, there is a crisis. and i don't see, again, maybe some of the verbiage is overblown. but at some point, you have to be honest. there's a problem. we have to address that problem. and people overreacting by saying we have a problem, can't we just have a rational conversation about it. >> by his rhetoric, do you think he has exacerbated the problem or is helping the issue of immigration? >> i think he's coming to the point where he's being honest with the american people. this is the thing that's frustrated me, phillip. i wrote an opinion piece about this last week. i have a real issue with republicans and democrats in the past, who i think have been deeply dishonest. they've told the american people what they want to hear, not what they need to hear.
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now donald trump shows up and this is what we need to discuss. i think he's highlight s these things. is he using words that might add fuel to the fire? of course he is. some of the rhetoric is meant to highlight some of that. it doesn't mean that these aren't issues that need to be addressed. that's the one thing that, again, people struggle with, why donald trump? he's being blunt and honest with the american people. there's a certain amount of authenticity to it. >> ned ruyn. it is being called another deadly hate crime. how police are trying to determine what motivated the t suspect to open fire on a synagogue.
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that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. now, it's time for "weekends with alex witt." frances rivera. >> great to see you on this side of msnbc. good morning to you from msnbc. it is 7:00 in the east, 4:00 out west. i'm frances rivera in for alex. synagogue shooting. another place of worship attacked by a gunman. what we
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