i've had to deal with that. all of us need to do that tonight when we look at what we do whether it is large or small, that we can make sure that we're part of the light rather than the darkness. thank you, danielle, shelby, and eugene. that does it for me. i'll see you back here next saturday at 5:00 p.m. eastern. up next, "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> this sunday, the president versus congress. president trump says he's done cooperating with russia investigations. >> i have been the most transparent president and administration in the history of our country by far. >> vowing to defy congressal democrats. >> we're fighting all the subpoenas. >> i wouldn't give him a dam thing. >> as democrats plan to use the mueller report as a road map on obstruction. >> congress has the responsibility and obligation to hold individuals in contempt who do not comply.

>> my guests, senator amy klobuchar of minnesota and republican senator ron johnson of wisconsin, plus some democrats say now is the time for impeachment. but polls show it is not popular with the public. and speaker pelosi is not budging. >> there are some people who are more eager for impeachment, many more eager to just follow the investigation. >> also making his case -- >> if we give donald trump eight years in the white house, he will forever and fundamentally altar the character of this nation. >> joe biden argues trump needs to go and he can beat him. >> joining me peggy nunen, and hah lean cooper. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press."

>> from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television show in history, this is "meet the press." >> i'm andrea mitchell filling in for chuck todd. the word stonewall has long been associated with the watergate scandal. nixon tells his campaign director john mitchell i want you all to stone wall it, let them plead the fifth amendment, cover up or anything else if it will save it. save the plan. that's the point. fighting congressal democrats, stone walling seems to be president trump's whole point right now. while the mueller report has not generated a watergate level crisis, president trump made clear he is not about to cooperate with russia investigation despite the damning evidence detailed in the mueller report, mr. trump is sticking to his no collusion no corruption spin. the president knows this play

book well. throughout his business career he's employed a jab and move strategy hoping to run out the clock until the next crisis emerges, all of which has left democrats go to their next move. keep investigating, fight the president, and leave mr. trump's fate to the voters. >> the radical liberal democrats put all their hopes behind their collusion delusion. >> at a campaign rally in wisconsin saturday night, president trump on the attack. >> the scum that's leading the top of government. these were dirty cops. >> with house democrats demanding his aides testify, the saying he will use executive privilege and run out the clock. >> we're fighting the subpoenas. these aren't impartial people. the democrats are trying to win 2020. >> he's trampling on the

constitution no doubt about it. >> democrats have subpoenaed don mcgahn to testify next month. emerging as a central witness to potential obstruction. after the president ordered him to fire mueller, mcgahn refused telling then chief of staff reince priebus to do crazy expletive. >> i never told don mcgahn to fire mueller. i would have done it myself. >> the president attacking the investigators. >> an attempted coup. they tried for a coup. didn't work out so well. and i didn't need a gun for that one. >> mr. trump and his advisers are down playing russian interference. >> it's a terrible thing, but i think all the speculation the last two years has had a harsher impact on our democracy. >> the fbi director made it

clear russia is working 365 days a year to undermine u.s. democracy. >> we're very much viewing 2018 as just kind of a dress rehearsal for the big show. >> 2020. >> 2020. >> "the new york times" reported this week that former homeland secretary was told don't bring up russian interference in front of the president. now democrats are divided over their next move. according to a new "washington post" abc news poll, 56% of americans oppose impeachment. just 37% favor starting the process. although 58% believe mr. trump lied to the public about matters under investigation by mueller. and 47% say he obstructed justice. still on the campaign trail, democratic candidates are beginning to push house speaker pro si to act. >> the house should initiate impeachment proceedings. >> but pelosi is trying to hold them off. >> i don't think there's big division in our caucus about this.

there are some people more eager for impeachment, many more eager to just follow the investigation. >> and joining me now is presidential candidate and minnesota senator amy klobuchar. welcome back to "meet the press." >> thanks. it's great to be on. >> good to have you with us. democrats say the president is stone walling. he clearly is saying no cooperation, no witnesses, either current or former aides. does this amount to obstruction? >> when you read that report in detail and you start out with what happened with russia, to me, it looks like obstruction. and especially the part -- if we want to protect our nation, maybe russia didn't use tanks. maybe they didn't use missiles. but they invaded our democracy all the same. they did it by meddling and invading our democracy. they got into voter rolls. we're finding out now they got into some county in florida and

won't tell us. every time i have tried to do something about this with our secure elections act, the white house has skell ched the efforts. they won't even pass the bipartisan bill for back up paper ballots. that would be a big help, andrea, to ensure if one state goes bad or one county is invaded that we're able to have a successful 2020 election where we have the american people voting and not the russians determining what happened. >> the president says he's been exonerated, the russia investigation is closed. case closed. it's over. so, how does congress get him to provide witnesses, documents if he says that current and former aides will not be permitted to testify? >> well, that's what subpoenas are all about. when i look at this, these witnesses like don mcgahn who we know the president tempted to tell him to end this investigation and fire mueller, don mcgahn spoke to the special counsel. that is public. so, the american people should

at least be able to know what don mcgahn says. we should be able to ask questions. that's what this is about, getting the full report, getting mueller. we're going to see attorney general barr this next week in front of the judiciary committee on which i serve. i'm going to ask him not only why did his administration decide to go to court to get rid of the affordable care act and deny millions of americans coverage, but also why did he not allow this report to come out in full. and what is he doing about russia? because to me that's the key thing. we have an election coming up in 2020. it doesn't matter if you're a democrat or republican, you want to have a fair election. >> the house democrats are in an argument apparently according to nbc news exclusively today. the justice department is threatening not to let the attorney general testify to the house committee the day after you see the him in the senate. apparently justice is objecting to conditions.

they're demanding opportunity to go into private session to go over some of the redacted material. what should they do if he simply refuses? >> well, they're going to have to work that out. but he has to come before the house. he is the attorney general of the united states. we haven't seen him in the senate since his confirmation hearing and since he did his four-page summary which turned out to not reflect what was exactly in the report. i didn't support attorney general barr just because i was very concerned about this kind of messing around with the facts, his views of an expansive role of executive power which basically diss the power of the congress to be a check and balance on the attorney general. and remember, this isn't -- having gone all around the country just coming back from nevada, this isn't just about the mueller report and what's happening with russia, andrea. this is about what's going on with immigration. this is about what's happening with the affordable care act where millions and millions of

americans, over 50% of them, are afraid they're going to lose their health insurance because of pre-existing conditions. he has to come before congress and explain what in the world this administration is doing when it comes to peoples' everyday lives. >> i know impeachment is not popular with the american people. but one of your opponents, elizabeth warren, has said there's a moral issue here, having read the mueller report that you have to begin with the house side starting with impeachment. i know you've said you'll be a juror and not commit. but don't you say you should at least start the process? >> the house is going to make that decision. and for me, the most important thing is to hold this president accountable. and as director mueller himself pointed out in the report, there are many ways to do that. one is with the process through congress which includes these investigations with the president is already stone walling. the second is other investigations that are going on right now including in the state of new york. and the third is pretty

straightforward, andrea. that is defeating him in 2020. and that's what i intend to do and will do. >> don't you have an obligation to tell democrats in the primaries whether or not you're in favor of at least opening up an impeachment investigation? >> i believe that the president should be held accountable, and i think that's what people want to know. and i have been incredibly aggressive about pushing in hearing, pushing attorney general barr. i'm actually the one that asked the obstruction of justice questions. and now i'm going to have another opportunity to have him go before me next week where i say, you know, when i asked you if it was obstruction to try to impede the integrity of a witness testimony, you said that it was. and now we've got all kinds of evidence of pardons being dangled out, evidence of the president's counsel being told to change his story, evidence of him being told to fire the special counsel. to me, this looks like obstruction of justice which is

exactly what barr told me in those questions. so, i view this as an opportunity to really push him on what obstruction of justice is, why he answered the questions the way he did before, and expect answers this week. >> i want to ask you about joe biden who entered the race. he had difficulty on "the view" yesterday explaining why he hadn't apologized earlier, why he hadn't called anita hill earlier. >> i think what she wants you to say is i'm sorry for the way i treated you, not for the way you were treated. i think that would be closer. >> well, but i'm sorry the way she got treated -- in terms of -- i never heard her -- if you go back and look at what i said and didn't say, i don't think i treated her badly. >> he had the gavel. he was the chairman. he cut off the hearings before her witnesses could get on. what should he say to anita hill? >> that's going to be joe biden's decision and i'm sure

he's going to have to continue to address this issue as we go through the campaign. let me just tell you my perspective. i was a young lawyer when this happened. and i remember being captivated by her, watching every moment of that hearing, never thinking i would end up on the senate judiciary committee. and it was the first letter i ever wrote to my senator. i wrote a letter saying i want you to vote against clarns thomas. i believe anita hill. i september that letter and my senator voted for clarence thomas. it motivated me to get involved in politics. now we go from zero women on that judiciary committee to six. >> let me ask you about what you're presenting with senator coons in nevada yesterday which is a retirement plan, how are you going to pay for this retirement plan? >> well, that's simple. the republican tax bill did so much to help the wealthy, build up a trillion dollars in debt, and all you have to do is make

changes to that that won't hurt everyday americans. you have the liberty to ensure that 49 million americans who have no retirement except social security can start saving. we call it up savings accounts. it is a great idea. 50 cents for every hour someone works in an account that they can take with them no matter where they work, if they don't have a 401k, where they can take out the first $2,500 for emergency expenses when we've got four out of ten americans that don't even have 400 bucks for an emergency room bill. these are the things i'm hearing out there when i'm in nevada, new hampshire, iowa. it is the same focus. people need help in their everyday lives. as we look ahead to the next week with the topic we just discussed about the sanctity of our elections and about the mueller report, we have to remember we can do two things at once. we can present an optimistic economic agenda for the people

of this country and still make sure we protect the law and protect the constitution. that's what it is about when you're representing america. and when i hear the president dising the constitution, when i hear him going after things the way he is and when i find out that he doesn't even stand up for our country because his homeland security secretary is afraid to go talk to him about russia, that is not standing up for the security of america. and i will do that. >> thank you very much, senator klobuchar. thanks for being with us today. joining me now is the chair of homeland security in the senate, ron johnson who was with the president last night. welcome back. >> good morning, andrea. >> i want to ask you about the speech last night. the president referred to fbi officials as scum. is that the right way for the president of the united states to speak about law enforcement officers of u.s. government? >> first of all, i understand

the president's frustration. he knew he was innocent and was subjected to this two year investigation. and in that process, andrew mccabe was fired because he lied to his own investigators. this was the former deputy director and fbi director lying to investigators. i understand the president's frustration. there has been a concerted effort since the day after the election to sabotage this administration. i completely understand his frustration. >> do you agree he should use words like scum to describe law enforcement words? >> probably i would use different words, but i would certainly question the possibility. there was definitely corruption at the highest levels of the fbi, and that's one thing we're going to try to uncover now that the mueller investigation is over. >> the mueller investigation reported hundreds of contacts with russian officials, no evidence that kd be prosecuted. but partly because there were

emails that were erased. there were people who are not available. there were people they couldn't interview or refused to be interviewed, they couldn't interview the president himself. are you comfortable with all of the contacts between this campaign and the russian officials? >> yes, i am. i read the report. it is pain stakingly detailed. time and time again, special counsel mueller said there was no evidence of collusion. and there was none. and again, we have enormous challenges facing this nation. the crisis at the border -- and this has been a huge distraction from the american people and the administration. >> he didn't say there was no evidence of collusion because that's not a legal term. he said he could not prove conspiracy. but the president's own lawyer rudy giuliani said he thinks it's okay for a republican candidates to welcome support from a foreign adversary, from russia. do you feel the same way? would you welcome support from

russia in your campaign? >> no, and i don't believe the trump campaign did. from my standpoint this issue is over in terms of collusion. i was one of the people briefed by the obama administration when we were told about rush interference. that was november 2016. the whole point of that briefing in a secure situation was we have this covered. we want you to go out and members of congress and say that the election results would be legitimate. that's what they wanted us to say. then the wrong person got elected and all of a sudden we have this russian collusion story and it has been a big hoax and a witch hunt and i understand the president's frustration. >> mitt romney said i am sickened at the extent and pervasiveness of dishonesty by individuals in the highest office of the land including the president. i am appalled that fellow citizens welcomed help from russia including information illegally obtained, that none of

them acted. that was after his read of mueller report. why haven't you and other senators reacted as he reacted to the mueller report especially on obstruction. >> maybe because i understand the president's frustration being subject to a witch hunt for two years. i was in that venue yesterday. it was a record crowd full of energized people who love this country. their support for president trump is growing. i'm seeing the economy growing by 3.2%. i'm seeing business investment over the last quarters over 6% when the last two years of president obama was.6%. that's going to drive our economy for years to come. so, i'm looking at the results of this administration, and i also think about what we could have accomplished had this witch hunt not been occurring for the last two years. i understand the president's frustration. and i also understand the president's supporters frustration of the media just continuing, continuing, this

witch hunt. it's ridiculous. >> you're calling it a witch hunt. let me playing sm the fbi said the other day about attempts to interfere with the election. >> i think russia poses a counterintelligence threat, certainly in the cyber arena. that is not just an election cycle threat. it's a 365 days a year threat. and that is absolutely continued. >> why haven't we heard that from the president? why does the president stand next to putin in helsinki and say he believes putin about the attacks on our democracy? >> i am every bit as concerned about russian interference as any senator. i've seen the attempted coup in montenegro. so, it didn't surprise me at all they were interfering in our election. through social media is the primary cause. that's hard to really police. but in terms of changing vote

totals, almost impossible. what is certainly at risk is voter files. but dhs has done a good job consulting with state and local jurisdictions to prevent that from happening as well. let's not blow this thing out of proportion. let's be vigilant. >> according to mick mulvaney, the acting chief of staff made it clear to kirstjen nielsen that mr. trump aligned questions of the legitimacy of his victory. ms. nielsen gave up her attempt to coordinate a strategy to protect next year's election. if the president considers the this a top priority, why hasn't he ordered a government-wide cabinet level investigation, an attack to defend america from russian interference? >> because dhs has been on the case. they've been on the case in the obama administration and continued on into the trump

administration. they've had incredibly high levels of contact with state and local jurisdictions, certifying individuals to get classified information. they've been consulting with local jurisdictions in terms of protecting voter files, so dhs has done a successful job. we didn't see that kind of interference in 2018 and i think we can rest assured that 2020 will be successful as well. >> doesn't that have to go beyond dhs? doesn't it have to be all the cabinet departments working on this? >> dhs has the primary responsibility and they've done a good job. >> thank you very much, sensor johnson. thanks for being with us. stone walling congress, democrats dividing on impeachment, and what we learned about what rod rosenstein told president trump. sally yates who first alerted the trump administration that michael flynn had lied about his contacts with russia. the panel is next. contacts with russia the panel is next.

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>> welcome back. hah lean cooper is here, robert costa, and former republican congressman carlos ka bellow of florida, and peggy nunen. let's talk about the mueller report and the approach of the president. peggy, you've lived through this before. the president saying that he will absolutely, it's case closed, he will not cooperate, he will not send witnesses. can he get away with it? >> it's possible.

we have roughly a year-long window for this to be worked out in terms of legalisms. i have to tell you i think the polling you showed at the top of the show with a majority of americans not wanting to go towards impeachment which i think implies the hearings and investigations -- >> let's put that up one more time for people to see. 56% saying they do not want impeachment, 37% saying they do, and the democrats clearly divided. >> yes, but even more interesting, i think a majority or almost a majority said they didn't not want impeachment because they thought the president was telling the truth. they didn't think the president told the truth. to me they've got it exactly right. i would throw open the question what i understand the partisan politics of it. i understand the investigator

f fervor going on in the house. what is curious to me what exactly if you devote the next up six to nine months to hearings, what are you looking to learn? you'll get dan mcgahn in, you'll ask him what he said, what the president said to him, he'll say what he said in the mueller report. my thought is the mueller report did the work it had to do. over two years, 500 people questioned and interviewed, 40 investigators and fbi officials, oh my goodness. let everyone in america read it. they'll get the unredacted version soon. >> will they? >> leave it alone. well, i hope they do, and i think they pretty much will. but congress has a job to do now. you know, there's social security, immigration, et cetera. my goodness, work for the american people. sorry to give a speech there. >> let me show you what andrew sullivan wrote in "new york magazine," if the president

instructs justice, we're in deep trouble. >> peggy brings up sharp points. i've asked democrats about that, why do you need to proceed forward? they say they have to tell a story to the american people, have people put their hand in the air and narrate what they said in the mueller report because democrats don't believe the obstruction case has been fully made against president trump but you're right. they recognize mostly privately there's a big political risk out there. what's the appetite of people in the country. when i spoke to president trump this week, he believes he can make a political case against the democrats. they're spending far too much time on this. it's a little bit nuanced, he said he hasn't made a final, final decision. the democrats are going to be able to bring someone up to talk to house democrats about the security clearance process at the white house. that's the one exception.

>> that's the one exception. it reveals there's not a stand off going on. >> will the president pay any price for stone walling if he continues to object to most of the unredacted -- the redacted portion not being able to congress? >> andrea, here's the problem with the mueller report. for the president and his supporters, it's obvious that it was not a witch hunt. it was professional. it was thorough, and it was fair. and it does cast the administration in a negative light. however, for the president's opponent, the problem is similar, that the mueller report was fair, it was sober, and it does not obviously provoke impeachment. so, the way the administration handled these inquiries, these subpoenas, that's where the public could either support impeachment more or reject it more than we're seeing today of in these poll numbers. that's kind of a squeeze, right? i saw this, john bainer went through this, paul ryan went through this, now nancy pelosi

is going through it. the squeeze between centrists in her caucus and progressives, the 37%, the liberal base that does want impeachment to begin today. it's going to be interesting to watch the speaker navigate these waters. it already has been in the early weeks. >> when we look at the republican senator, mitt romney is the only one that's spoken up against the mueller report. you've got lindsey graham as chairman of the judiciary committee saying he's not even sure he's going get mueller testify. let me show you a another lindsey graham, a different president, a different impeachment issue. >> you don't even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic. if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role. impeachment is not about punishment. impeachment is about cleansing

the office. >> that's the sort of video which has been going around all week that make people so skeptical and so disgusting with politics. that's why at the end of the day this entire debate is all political theater. it's all about who is maneuvering to make sure that they look good. let's face it, it's already 2020. we're in an election year. this is the election cycle. the presidential cycle has begun. what you're seeing now is all about how do we maneuver ourselves, nancy pelosi trying to balance her progressives versus her more centrist democrats. you see on the republican side they want the mueller report to go away. >> you've got to see the republican party, the interview, he's using the word sabotage. trump is using the word scum, coup. if they choose to impeach, impeachment dies in the senate. a trial will never go forward.

>> absolutely. >> has the president with the help of the attorney general branded this before the mueller report came out. for three weeks they went around and said exonerated. >> yeah. and people got a look at the report and saw it was a fairly dreadful portrait. i don't think it told us exactly things we didn't know that were shocking. i think we had a sense of the raining reality there in the white house. let me throw in, by the way, if the house moves to impeach and if it has big serious prolongs hearings, i think everybody assumes the president will really hate that. i think he's going to use that fact every day on tv. he's going to use it as a foil. he's going to be tweeting. he's going to be fighting. he's going to be playing the part of besieged person. i think he'll love it and nothing will get done for the next year. >> we're going to leave it there. we'll be back in a bit. when we come back, the woman who raised early alarms about trump administration contacts with russia, sally yates joining

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>> welcome back. former deputy attorney general sally yates is one of those figures who seems to show up at key moments in the trump presidency. in january of 2017, only days after the inaugural, yates told

officials she believed michael flynn had lied to him about his contacts with the russian ambassador to the u.s. yates was fired as acting ag that same january for refusing to enforce president trump's immigration order. the president now sites yates is among those in the justice department who launched the phony investigation. >> thanks for having me. >> i want to ask you about the president in wisconsin last night referring to former fbi officials who began in this investigation as scum. >> yeah. you know, he's referred to them as scum. he's accused people of spying. and you know, i think those are words we really shouldn't be throwing around about the men and women in law enforcement and in our intelligence community. the mueller report sites 140 contacts according to a tally in

the ""new york times"" including 13 from the president himself with russia during the campaign and afterwards in the transition. does this mean the president is completely exonerated even though because of a lot of other issues, not being able to interview the president, not being able to talk to other witnesses, emails that were eliminated, there was no grounds for prosecution? >> well, you know, if you read the entire mueller report, i think it paints a really devastated portrait of a president in a campaign who welcomed a foreign adversary's illegal interference in our election, who then continually lied about it, and then used the power of the presidency to try to thwart an investigation into his own conduct. that's not exoneration. >> the report makes it clear there is no exoneration on obstruction. speaking first to the russian issue which you just raised, if

not for the office of legal counsel prohibition against indicting a president, should there have been further steps? do you think that, in fact on obstruction, there would have been an indictment? >> i've been a prosecutor nearly 30 years. i can tell you i've personally prosecuted obstruction cases on far, far less evidence than this. yes, i believe if he were not the president of the united states, he would likely be indicted on obstruction. >> so, if he were with ceo of a company, if he were a private citizen, the at least ten instances in the obstruction part of the report would have led to indictment? >> i'm not sure all ten would. i think special counsel mueller did a fair job in going through all ten instances and lying out both the facts that established he had committed the crime of obstruction but also pointing out the defenses, both legal and factual. but there are several incidents that he described to which special counsel mueller really couldn't point to any

significant factual or legal deferences. >> and which in particular do you cite as most significant? >> the ones he found that all three elements were satisfied were with respect to trying to fire special counsel mueller through don mcgahn, then trying to get don mcgahn to lie about it later, not just his own lies, but trying to get someone else to as well. and then trying to reduce, to cabin, the scope of the investigation to what's really nonsensical, to campaign interference in future elections. >> do you think if he is not reelected and the statute of limitations does not run out until 2022 that he could still be prs cuted after leaving office? >> the mueller specifically references that, both what could happen in the short term and the long term. i think really the bigger issue is not just whether or not this

establishes a crime that can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. but is this the kind of conduct that we should expect from the president of the united states? i mean, when the russians came knocking at their door, you would expect that a man who likes to make a show of hugging the flag would have done the patriotic thing and would have notified law enforcement. >> in fact his personal attorney rudy giuliani said on this program last week that there's no problem with the president, with the campaign welcoming support from a foreign adversary such as russia. >> that's a shocking statement. it reflects how they've moved the goal posts. they constantly said we didn't have anything to do with any russians. then when the truth comes out and reveals that that's a lie, now we have devolved down to there's nothing wrong with taking help, illegal help, from a foreign adversary. surely that's not where we've

come to. >> a lot of people think that robert mueller wifed, we should have pushed the envelope, should have subpoenaed the president when he did not get a voluntary interview and forced the president to take the 5th. >> it's easy to sit in our armchairs and think what we would have done. i think what you see is robert mueller did the job he was asked to do, and he called it right down the middle. >> some experts look at the lines about don trump, jr., saying they wanted to interview him, were not able to, and the next portion is redacted. does that indicate to you that don, jr. may have gone in front of a grand jury and taken the 5th? >> certainly people have speculated to that and there's indication to that, but i don't know for certain. beyond that, it is remarkable to me that the president of the united states refused to sit

down and answer questions about his or his campaign's involvement with the russians in the 2016 election or obstruction. >> going forward, we have the mueller report and now william barr threatening to not even appear before the house. that still has to be worked out. did the attorney general -- and i know you don't want to speak about successors in the justice department, but what about the fact he misrepresented the mueller report in his initial four-page summary, and in his news conference referred to collusion four times, not a legal term but taking the president's words, and misrepresenting it minutes before the report was released. >> let me answer this way. the department of justice is not just another federal agency, and the attorney general is not had the president's personal lawyer. we were all called to the white

house for a photo op with president obama and he came out, and the first words out of his mouth were "i may have appointed you, but you don't represent me. you represent the people of the united states." and that's the way it's supposed to be. >> your implication is it's not the way it is right now. >> the people of the united states includes all the people of the united states. >> we'll have to leave it there. sally yates, a great pleasure. thank you for being with us. when we come back, new details how democrats gained 40 seats in the midterm elections. take this left. if you listen real hard you can hear the whales. oop. you hear that? (vo) our subaru outback lets us see the world. sometimes in ways we never imagined.

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welcome back. data download time. democrats had a lot to celebrate in 2018. they flipped 40 seats in the house, regaining control of that chamber for the first time in eight years. the u.s. census bureau reported the flip was fuelled by a huge turn out, in fact the highest midterm turn out in 40 years. that turn out was fuelled by voters who typically vote democratic. voter turn out was up among all age groups but especially young voters, 18-29 year olds showed up to vote. a whopping 39% of 30-44 year olds, both groups voting heavily for democrats. the most cig nave can't gains were among asian and hispanic voter, 40% of asian and 40% of hispanic voters turned out.

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>> he believes vice president biden is a formidable contender for 2020. it's not a belief he has founded on anything, i was on the campaign trail this week in south carolina went to a historically black church in charleston, they say vice president biden was part of the obama administration. they're talking about senator harris, vice president biden. this is a wide open race but vice president biden has more political capital on the ground than he may credit for in places like twitter. let's look a new poll out today, joe biden is out on the top p this may explain why the white house is focussed on him. 17%. bernie sanders 11%. pete buttigieg 5%. kamala harris 4%. all in single digits other than the top three. look at the gender issue. we have three white men ahead of

all the women and cory booker, a man of color. the diverse field and it's the white guys who are out front. >> it's the most diverse field ever, i think. when you look at the early polling, and it is early, it comes down to these figures like biden and bernie. it seems to me we are going to find out if joe biden's old school style honed in the '70s and '80s can translate to 2020, this moment. and i also think because of past issues of his, there will be a daily, do you recant, mr. vice president, do you recant on this issue? we're going to see him being pressed to recant on things he believes in. which will be uncomfortable. >> there are two types of candidates that pose a threat to the president. one is a coalition candidate like biden.

and another is a movement type candidate, think pete buttigieg. the problem with biden, he started his campaign with an apology tour. there are lessons to be learned from donald trump, we talked about this earlier, you can apologize for your mistakes, but i don't think you should apologize for who you are. i've seen that from joe biden and i don't think it's believable because i don't think anyone thinks joe biden at 76 is different. >> he hasn't apologized to anita hill. >> i think the aknnita hill sto will be gone in a week. this is something people jumped on, because when he opened his campaign they found themselves talking about anita hill. i don't think they're going to relitigate the clarence thomas hearing at this point. it would be suicidal for democrats to do that now, to turn that issue into a negative for a democrat. i think what you're seeing

with -- nobody is going to win the democratic nomination if they cannot galvanize the african-american vote. joe biden freakishly can. kamala harris, probably can. bernie sanders cannot. i think what you're seeing when you're seeing this leap of biden straight to the top of the polls is that. a lot of black people look at him as an obama guy. i think you'll see some of that stuff solidify as we move forward. i'm curious to see what kamala harris does moving down the line. this was a problem for bernie sanders in 2016, and i think it's still going to be a problem for him now. >> take a look. the funny thing about the age factor is bernie sanders has more young people supporting him and he's older than jobe. but t

t than joe biden. but the president is playing on the age. the president is 72, joe biden is 76. look at this tape. >> i feel like a young man. i feel like a young man. i am a young vibrant man. >> if he looks young and vibrant compare todd to me, i should probably go home. >> this is the president that had to ride in a golf cart at the g-7 in sicily. >> young or juvenile? >> everything old is new again. that's part of the story of 2020. >> age, put that on a shelf. he has power inside of the republican party. also interesting this week, governor harry hogan goes to new hampshire. when you talk to republican voters they say they're almost 100%, like senator johnson, with the president, at these rallies. any kind of primary challenge seems to be fizzling. >> that base is pretty solid. >> very solid.

i will say age isn't what it used to be. my dad is about to turn 80, he's in great shape. we're going to have to leave it there. thank you all for watching. chuck will be back next week because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." sunday, it's "meet the press. let's be honest.

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