you, too, can sign up for the newsletter. i'm yasmin vossoughian alongside geoff bennett, appreciate it. "morning joe" starts right now, everybody. mr. president, how old is too old to be president? >> i just feel like a young man. i'm so young. i can't believe it. i'm the youngest person. i am a young, vibrant man. i look at joe, i don't know about him. i don't know. >> how old is too hold? >> i would never say anyone is too old. they're all making me look very young, in terms of age and i think in terms of energy. i think you people know that better than anybody. >> yeah, just look at him. he's so young. and it's almost like he's saying he so happy, he's so rich and he's so smart. >> you know what else he is?

239 pounds. that's what dr. ronnie said. >> hmm. it's monday, april 29th. with us jonathan lemire. >> joe, you're creepy. >> that's for jonathan lemire. eddie glaude jr. and clint watts. >> there are three things we got to talk about. >> oh, no. >> jonathan lemire, chris sale now 0-5 for your boston red sox. >> it's a good thing we just gave him a $150 million, tension. -- extension. >> and who could have seen this coming?

second thing, anybody on the set see "avengers"? anybody? >> he went at 8 a.m. on saturday morning. >> i went at 8 a.m. on saturday morning. i don't want to do a spoiler but i never could have believed count chocula would have come in and done it for everybody. it $1.3 billion now ticket sales? and finally, finally, let me ask you, let's go in to nasa control, ground control and, alex, tell us what you did all weekend. >> well, the taylor swift video was a loop in my apartment. if 65 million people watched that on youtube, our apartment counted for maybe about 35 million of those views. zun believable.

>> two young small daughters so that's why. it wasn't just me watching it, for the record. >> the thing is, you talk about a very demographic. there are a lot of older young women watching that as well, and a lot of men, too. incredible. it broke records. >> i thought that was cute. it was fun. your daughter loved it. there you go. we're going to kick off the week with a number of developing headlines. joe biden is set to pick up a big endorsement today but not from his former boss. in fact, barack obama just suggested a good leader is someone who know when is to hang it up. plus, will the attorney general face off with democrats on capitol hill? there are big questions surrounding whether william barr will testify. >> president trump, meanwhile, is claiming credit for what he calls the sick idea of sending

migrants to sanctuary cities. he also compared the southern border to disney land and suggested family separations would seasoned the right kind of message from america. >> didn't somebody compare throwing kids in cages to day camp? >> this is out of that last. we feel they have a list of crazy things to say or propose or actually try and carry out if they want to deflect from what they're doing. all of this is bad and needs a full stop of time or we're going to descend into something we can't explain. >> that's all unfolding along with a power struggle inside the nra. the members accused the justice department of organizing a coup. this is an organization in disarray. if you look at the finances, it's extraordinary how much the top few people in the washington

lobbyist branch of the nra have actually stolen from members. there's so much self-dealing that's been going on inside of there and by stolen i'm just referring to the article in "the new yorker," that broke this past weekend. it looks like this is an organization that has had some bad, bad leadership for a very long time and they're in a real financial problem. oliver north got booted out this week, in part some people believe because he was pushing very hard for an internal audit. >> well, we're going to begin this morning with the latest on the attack of a house are worship in the united states. one woman is dead and three others wounded, after a man opened fire inside chabad of

poway's synagogue on saturday. authorities say the gun used was an ancht r.-style assault weapon. >> what a sbriez. >> witnesses say the victim, 60-year-old laurie gilbert krchlts jumped in front of the synagogue's founding rabbi. israel goldstein, who suffered gunshot wounds to his hands. the suspect called police to say he was involved. he was arrested shortly after. someone with the same name as the suspect posted an anti-semitic and anti-muslim manifesto on a far right message board hours before the shooting in which he also claims responsibility for a march mosque fire and says he was inspired by the recent mosque attacks in new zealand where 50 people were killed. saturday's shooting occurred exactly six months to the day after 11 people were killed in pittsburgh's tree of life synagogue, which also -- which

the manifesto also lists as its inspiration. last night rabbi goldstein spoke with kasie hunt on kasiedc. >> having hate in your heart will only destroy. we will be there. i lost my finger 24 hours ago, which will remain a scar on me forever, but it's also going to remind me not only how vulnerable we are but how heroic we can be. >> jonathan lemire, a spate of shootings during the trump administration inspired white nationalists, inspired by different events but it all seems to come back to the same

thing, that is hatred for jus, hayes, for others. you can go all the way back to charlottesville. >> that's right. we've seen the statistics bear in out, a rise in anti-semitic incidents and we had the shooting in the pittsburgh synagogue a few months ago and sadly again this weekend. we saw real heroism there. the rabbi was say they go really felt like they caught a break because the shooter's gun jammed. otherwise the body count probably would have been much higher. there has certainly been speculation and condemnation of this president for not doing enough to condemn these sort of movings and you played that clip earlier of him on the lawn talking about joe biden, at the

white house lawn, he was asked again about his charlottesville comments, which have been become in the news and again the president defended it, when who praised there were fine people on both side, he wasn't talking about the whie supremacists but rather those who were simply protesting the removal of the robert i. lee, his statue from charlottesville. while looking back at his comments in 2017 when he first made them, that's a dubious claim. but the marchers in charlottesville carrying their tki tore chess, these were nationalists. blood and soil and other tropes like that. it remains an indefensible argument from this president but one he continues to make, he will simply not acknowledges he

made a mistake and he refuses to condemn this movement. >> and sycophants for drt donald trump have been trying to mack this slogan were somehow separated and there were good people there as well as bad people there. clint watts, i don't buy that any more than i buy the white house and their claim that white nationalism is otin the rise. the number does not bear them out. >> we've seen increasing level this what really sticks out is what happened over the last two years. we used to talk about domestic terrorism. they weren't motivated to violence. in the last two years that has

changed significantly. we act as if each of these attacks are one-offs but they're not. they in terms of what their targeting should be who they should target, why we should target. unless we get into this, we will continue to reacts these i action. the fbi is using a totally different rule set on domestic tich preemptively and anybody who so much touched the word al qae qaeda, instead what we do is wait for an attack, we see the

damage and say, oh, just some bad apple. they know each other, they're inspired each other and the pace has quickened. i think it was three years ago you had me on the show and these guys are inspiring each other, they're networked on line and soon they'll be directing each other. >> and the trump administration is doing nothing about it. you look at the former coast guard member who had a kill list of media members, also the speaker of the house, nancy ples plessy, he had a kill list, he had a man who killed over 70 people, slaughtered dozens and dozens of children at a day camp and donald trump and attorney general bar and the trump justice department let him walk.

>> the incidents and the lethality of violence that we're seeing right now are far higher. the other thing is these folks have weapons. often times they have training and they know what the training is. kr cesaire. it's a and they're on kill lists, they're on target lists. you tell me why isn't barr bringing charges so a judge who is afraid of hassan and afraid he'll commit acts of violence when he's released, why aren't they charging him? >> there's no good reason.

international terrorists don't vote this is intertwined if you took the statements what al qaeda clerics said over the last ten -- >> are you talking about drpt here, ten enemy of the people and -- >> that is exactly right, talking about, that donald trump this weekend referring to feeb agents as scum. >> so, clint, are you surprised that christopher hassan is allowed to walk pending all of this? is there any way the attorney general and u.s. attorney and all of those who are basically

overseeing what's the next steps are for him legally, you don't think there's any way they can keep him behind bars? are they choosing not too? >> ep absolutely stunned. i can't imagine any time after 9/11 where if we came across a suspect, they had that sort of targeted weed would be pof is a could pleatly different response we're seeing in this case. i'm very confused about the decision calculus on this. >> can we just stop trite there? because every time something happens with this trump administration that seems so out of order and so wrong and so against our core val i would like to point out as someone whose husband on this kill list that i am very concerned that these decisions are politically

motivated from the it's my analysis, my opinion but swutory and tell me why i shouldn't feel this way right now because this guy should stay indonesia bars for a very long time. >> again, there's no reality here -- >> katty kay, do we believe that barr would have released somebody that had donald trump, mitch mcconnell, kevin mckparty, sean hannity, rush limbaugh, republican candidates -- the top republican candidates running for political office in 2020 on a kill list? do we really believe that donald trump and bar would allow that person that had weapons and had a manifesto and had a kill list of the top republicans in

america that he was ready to gand kill, do we really believe that barr and trump would let that prn walk free? again, we're talking about the rise of white nationalism and here is a guy that is planning to lawsuiter every at the white house and the ge to which the white house does not speak out against whies nationalist terrorists when this take he would be being head under terrorism laws in the country. so there's clearly a double standard. i think what clint is saying about the networking of these groups, these are no longer -- it's easy to say this was a

one-off, individual sfp -- they are looking at each other, they are drawing each other's ideas, they are reading and writing the same things, the same words in their manifestos. drawing ideas with one he had his kill list, he was red to dp and given, barr let some walk. and also even beyond that, eddie, it's have interesting that donald trump for years was so enraged that break would not call islamic terrorism by its name. and so enraged that barack obama would not talk about the problem

that america had dealing with islamic terrorism. and yet here we have a president who refuses to talk about the very real growing threat from white nationalism. >> there's no need to expect any kind of moral consistency from donald trump. we talked about the 19-year-old individual who embraces nationalism, we can can talk about guns, guns used to kill multiple people. there's an environment, a context that is allowing this stuff to metastasize.

you have the coast guard, the churches in louisiana and now we have this. just as we're dealing with the fact a 19-year-old is murdered, a 16-year-old girl and an 8-year-old child, donald trump talking about the sick idea of sanctuary cities, talking about immigration and disney land. what motivated the carnage at the tree of life? we have an environment that is so toxic, we have a president that is embracing a segment of the population that literally has the country by the throat, joe. we have to do something about this or we're going to see even more die. let me be very clear. you are on a hit list. can't walk out of my office without -- how can i put this, without having my head on a

swivel. my entire building is locked down because of threats. white supremacists have terrorized people day in and day out in this country and now they feel emboldened. we have have a sear i don't see choice to make in this country or we're going to see even more carnage. >> we've been saying for years now that donald trump's word have consequences. if you look at the other white nationalists, if you look at what david duke said after charlottesville, this is a little game that donald trump thinks he's playing. he may say, oh, i distanced myself from white nationalists. did you really? >> no, didn't. >> the day after charlottesville was singing pro your praise, mr. president, because of why are

wrds, because he because, david duke, and other white nationalists across the globe saw that you brought aid and comfort to their bloody cause. let's bring in jonathan weisman, the author o and there are will talk about moving the, from tel aviv have what the united states now has with israel. but at the same time, he has many nattists say he has inspired them to tack a far more public and aggressive stance in trump's america.

how do we sort but let's focus on what's actually happening. the fact is that islamists and white nationalists, white supremacist terrorists are attacking jus in the it seems that's where our attention should be. if people are murder aring people in the name of exclusionary immigration policy, something is amiss. i think all of the talk of anti-semitism, that is hereus but it is not a clear and present danger to our life and limb. >> so jonathan, we're talking about the problem right now that we have in the united states t

buts can jus been. >> absolutely. it is extraordinary i recall sometimes don't you think the american press folks is too much on the threats that jus face in europe from white nationalists, which we talked about for 20 minutes this morning and not enough from the threats they face in europe politicians are

using the. but in you're europe it is a very bad time to be jewish. epermanent. >> does that plane jeremy corin dwrm is that why he makes the anti-semitic statements that he makes? >> absolutely. after the horrific glenville fire, which killed a lot of peop people, jarmy korb. >> all right, thank you so much

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however, when asked to name the candidate they currently support, a clear majority of democrats and democratic-leaning independence did not volunteer anyone. this morning biden just received the endorsement of the international association of firefighters for president of the united states. joining us now, general president of the iaff, sharld shakeburger. he also serve as vice president of the afl-cio. it is great to have you on this morning. >> thanks so much, mika. it's great to be with you and joe. >> great to have you. a story i love telling to republican candidates was how in '96 when the afl-cio was running ads against republicans, i would bash union guys left and right

until a union guy came up and grabbed me by the arm and said, hey, kid, shut up, we're all voting for you. it's the first time you understood there was such a crossover. you've always understood these trump voters are up for grabs and a lot of them are in your union. so the question is how hard is it going to be to defeat donald trump in 2020 and what does joe biden have uniquely that other democratic candidates may to the have to beat trump? >> first of all, joe biden has the experience. his years in the senate, his years as vice president and a proven track record of supporting not just firefighters in our profession but all professions. joe understands the dignity of work, understands supporting pay, overtime pay, death

benefits for firefighters' families of those killed in the line of duty and he has the ability to speak to those workers in particularly the states that are key and the ability to connect to them. i've said to many of those when we debate the current political arena and there are so many candidates of course now running in the democratic primary, but the fact of the matter is to win a presidential election, it doesn't really matter if you have 4 million more votes in california or a couple million more votes in new england, you have to win 270 electoral votes and those votes are key in the states of pennsylvania, ohio, wisconsin, michigan, iowa. joe biden is genuine and has the

ability to connect and touch and speak to those workers and those voters and bring them back from where many of them did migrate to in 2016. >> so how strong is donald trump still with some of those voters? would you warn democrats that they still have a hard sell to make to switch some trump voters over to candidate like joe biden? >> well, listen, i'm a realist. i've been at this for a while and i believe that our membership, firefighters are really a perfect reflection of the political landscape in our country. i have republicans, democrats, i have conservatives, some progressives and my point is that, yes, there are going to be those voters that will still have an inclination to maybe support the current president until they realize a choice and

a selection that really has worked on their behalf, who has delivered for them, who will make sure that they'll fight against right-to-work laws, that they'll be making sure that the overtime protections are in place, that will fight for a decent wage so that workers aren't working two jobs. i think about the economic measurements right now and the economy that much has been certainly celebrated about, but the fact of the matter that those jobless numbers tomo many times translates to too many in the family working, working two jobs, not earning a living wage. it's those those joe biden has a track record of and will bring into the political discourse so those voters have a clear choice

between joe biden and the president. >> i was on the road for much of 2016 covering the now president's campaign and we would see firefighters at events or other civil service jobs, blue collar jobs and i was always struck particularly among some firefighter officers, they they felt he spoke their language and that he identified with them. how are you going to be able to convince them now after two years of partisanship, how do you convince them he's not the guy for them anymore? how has he lost them? >> first of all, jonathan, i think you're correct. i think the president actually stole the democratic voice and the democratic message and the fact of the matter is that you have to be able to provide the voters with a genuine, real candidate who just doesn't speak the language but actually has

delivered and has a track record of delivering on behalf of working people, working families. it's not a matter of just convincing them what not to do, it's making the argument and making the case that joe biden will be the can't that can actually not just speak to them but to deliver for them. and i've been very candid about our view about the current, you know, the democratic field. we are very concerned that the democratic party is moving far too far to left. we were worried that some of the candidates that maybe have high-minded aspiration and wonderful ideals isn't a recipe for winning. in this election, the real question is who has the ability to win, and our view is that joe biden's track record has proven results over a long career is a positive, not a negative and will reconnect with those

voters, particularly in that midwest belt that are needed in order to win a presidential election. >> thank you so much, harold we really do appreciate it. hope you'll come back. >> and elsewhere in the 2020 field, former congressman brouk kicked off the california will go of his campaign with a rally of about 2,000 people in los angeles on saturday. he also rallied supporters in san francisco on sunday. he's also expected to make stops in modesto and san diego this week. senator kamala harris made her first campaign stop in ohio where she delivered the keynote speech to an annual dinner. she called on democrats to speak truth in the 2020 presidential election during her remarks and

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that bide i don't know has potential within so many factions is a sign of the strength he brings to his third quest for the presidency. bide i don't know draws not on his party's ideological passions but on the comfort that he creates by occupying the democrats' center of gravity. his hope, that trump has created a thirst not for adventure and experiments but for reassurance and a glorious tranquility. it makes me wonder why the obamas are not publicly more

supportive given that vice president biden served for eight years under barack obama and harkens back to a time of great times for this nation. >> and there's comments that barack obama may have thrown some shade toward joe biden saying true leaders know when to step aside. >>, listen, eddie, i agree, i don't think you take a lot of chances when you're trying to get somebody like donald trump out of the white house. that said, primary voters don't always vote with their head, they vote with their hearts. that's why donald trump won the republican primary in 2016. tell me, how are progressives,

how is the rest of the party dealing with the entrance of joe biden and all of the centrists telling them they should support joe? >> well, i think there as an ongoing debate actually, a civil war within the democratic party, joe. it was happening before 2016, it came to a head in the election and it's still going on. >> so where do you stand on that, eddie? what do you think personally on that. >> personally i'm a progressive, however that word signifies. i'm a person on the left and part of what i try to do is to avoid ism mongering. i don't want to engage in shorthand to explain complex positions but i tend to side with those on the progressive side of the party pip want to say i put forward ideas in light of a broad understanding of the problems confronting the country. donald trump is just a tip of the iceberg.

when we think income inequality and -- >> not to cut you off but let's get to the subject at hand. what do you think as a progressive about joe biden? >> i think joe biden represents a backward looking approach, a kind of comforting way to respond to the disorder and chaos that donald trump has caused. i think we need more forward looking thinking, not backward looking thinking. i don't think we need nostalgia or restoration, i think we need vision dreaming, something to address the circumstances of every day ordinary working people, whether they're black, white, brown or yellow. i think joe biden will have an uphill climb with regards to the activist base of the democratic party. he's going to have to defend his positions with regards to the economy, in terms of bankruptcy law, in terms of credit card companies. he's going to have to defend his position with regards to justice reform and put forward a claim the approach of the democratic

party over the 80s, 90s and 2000s was in fact the right approach when some believe the democratic party or dlc orientation was complicit in producing our current state of affairs. so there's going to be a vibrant debate. i can't wait to see how joe biden reresponds on that debate stage to elizabeth warren pushing him. i can't wait to see how he respond to pete buttigieg, to kamala harris. it's going to be an interesting debate about the future of the democratic party. if centrists cannot support a progressive if a progressive is nominated, then centrist revealed the lie that the issue is really about getting donald trump out of office. i love nicolle wallace. she said she would vote for a bus if the democratic party nominated it. i think if a progressive is nominated, everybody should get behind the progressive no matter what. >> and you also certainly think, too, that -- you also certainly

think, too, if a moderate like joe biden is elected that bernie sanders supporters need to line up and support him, too. >> yes. >> and all the supporters said amen. here is the challenge for joe biden. he's got a long record of being a bob reuben democrat, a bill clinton democrat. there aren't a lot of democrats in the base that want that. what does he do? >> the democratic voters in this primary, are they looking for forward looking vision or backward looking vision? joe biden has got to come out with some ideas. he can't say let's go back to those policies as the obama administration, let's do the same thing over again. on this issue of income

inequality, you've got a lot of interesting ideas, you have elizabeth warren talking about a wealth tax, others using the tax code to promote upward mobility and people like elizabeth warren saying we've got to spend more to promote mobility. is joe biden going to go back to the tried and true policies when bill clinton was in office or is he going to present a new vision? if he doesn't present a new vision, he's going to be in real trouble. when they get on the stage in june, they're going to have to answer questions about policy, which for people like pete buttigieg, i think he's going to be in trouble. >> and for mika, did you see that article in the "new york times" yesterday? >> yeah. >> really important. >> well, it matches something

we've been talking about a lot in the know your value community. it's putting down your phone may help you live longer. katherine price writes that increased phone time may be threatening our long-term health. she reports in part this, by chronically raising levels of court s cortisol, our phones may be threatening our out lives. the result, as google has noted, is that mobile devices create a constant sense of obligation, generating unintended personal stress, chronically elevated cortisol levels have been tied to an increased risk of serious

health problems, including depression, obesity, metabolic syndrome, type 2 diabetes, fertility issues, high blood pressure, heart attack, dementia and stroke. this is what this generation need to look at, katty. i put out a piece that's getting a lot of action on know your value.com on mindfulness. a lot of people are looking at mindful ne mindfulness-based therapies to -- especially our kids. this is a generation that has grown up never turning it off. >> on the phones all the time. >> i read that article yesterday on my phone, on the plane on the

way up to new york. it's very hard not to think we've created a monster in some ways. i look at my 13-year-old daughter and we're having serious conversations about what is effectively an addiction for her. we talked about the prospect of taking it away from her and asking a 13-year-old to regulate something that is basically crack in their hands is a big ask. they can't do it. if you just go out for lunch with a friend and you leave your phone at home, the quality. conversation improves and your stress levels, those cortisone levels will come down. there are things we can do. but we have to be disciplined. put your phone down when you go out. you don't need it 24/7. >> joe is buying me a present today. it's a flip phone. >> i'm getting mika a flip

phone. i got a flip phone to give to mika and my children and i put my phone in the drawer a lot. and it was hard but -- >> doesn't it feel better kwai quickly? it's easier than you think i think. >> well, it is easier than you think. also, there isn't that constant sense of obligation. since i got the flip phone in my hand, i also, lahnee, i think i need to do this or i can wait two hours to get back to my iphone and then send the information out. i will tell you, it probably increased my productivity 50%, concentrate better, i write better. when i'm reading, i'm more focused on what i'm reading.

i retain more. every college we go to speak to, whenever we talk to college administrators, they all tell us the same thing, that their main problems on campus now aren't drugs, they're depression and anxiety and all fueled by smartphones, constant use of smartphones. >> and an inability, frankly, to pay attention in the same way in a maybe would have been the case in a college classroom maybe 10 or 15 years ago. it's this constant need for new information, people need to teach differently. you think about the first thing you do in the morning is you roll over and look at your phone. it used to be you got up, went downstairs and got a cup of coffee and picked up a newspaper. now people's routines are different. it's a problem with lots americans now has but really how

we digest information and how e we. >> still ahead this morning, dick durbin joins the conversation. we'll ask him about william barr's planned testimony to that panel. as the a.g. plans to skip the house judiciary's hearing on the matter. but first, representative max rose will be our guest. "morning joe" is back in a moment. with all that usaa offers

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s that president obama over the weekend speaking about leadership, and some interpreted his comments as a veiled swipe at his former v.p., 2020 presidential challenger joe biden. dan pheiffer, a former adviser is not one of those people tweeting. "i'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that obama may have been talking about mandela and himself since he was at a mandela event." what do you think, mika? >> i'd like to see more full-throated support for joe biden from president obama. i was always sort of -- the transactional interviews with the obamas and the clintons. it seemed like there was some sort of deal he had to support

hillary. i don't know. i could be wrong. that's what it looked like optically to me and vice president biden is a good man who harkens us back to the best of the obama presidency. >> it's interesting, back in december president obama met with beto and sent his best people over to work with beto. >> or maybe they just chose to go there. >> to help beto. so it seems that early on that's what the obama team decided they were going is to do, get behind beto o'rourke instead joe biden. so i'm not so sure, though, what -- >> mean they're it and out of context. >> i think we're trying to do too much when we suggest that that is about joe biden. but we shall see. >> i guess we're all looking for something from him. welcome back to "morning joe." it's monday, april 29th.

we have white house reporter for the associated press jonathan lemire, washington anchor for bbc america katty kay. eddie glaude jr., professor and joining us, professor at tulane university, walter isaacson is with us and we're happy to have democratic congressman max rose of new york. he's a veteran of the war in afghanistan and was awarded a bronze star and a purple heart. >> walter, let's go to you and help us sort through this barack obama/joe biden relationship. news broke in the the "new york times" over the weekend that barack obama did not want joe biden running for president in 2016 and did everything but say don't run, joe. of course, again, the democratic

party was sent some his bess do you sense that obama is hostile towards joe's run or you just don't think he can win? >> i don't think either of those. i think we're making too much about his remax about mandela. he and mandela stepped aside when it was time and became coaches. i think he has a deep affection for joe biden. i i think if you'll watch in the next few weeks, because of conversations like this, they'll take a walk to the. i think joe biden is gettingle

will about as president obama knew, president obama had him at his side to represent those unions, like the firefighter union member you just had on, the working people, the people not only a respect but an affection between braurk and joe biden. >> what do you make the direct? >> there as a great personal fondness between the two men, which was unlikely when obama first picked biden to be his vice presidential candidate, we remember biden's gaffe describing obama as articulate and well spoken or something like that -- >> he said he was clean.

and obama let him off the hook, said he had no problem with biden. biden got out ahead of obama on gay marriage. president obama called him his brother that who surprised him with the presidential medal of freedom as one of his last official acts in office. at the same time, he didn't feel bike biden was up for that run in 2016. also, biden was still undergoing incredible grief about the loss of his son and he didn't feel he was up for the rigors of his campaign. i think obama is not going to make a firm endorsement, not for a while. there may be little signs here and there that he supports him and he's fond of joe biden but i don't think he wants to get involved in the process just yet and biden will be on his own and i think there are real questions about whether his views are in

step with where the democratic party going right now and if he is perhaps the right prn prn you can also win himself states and that's another path the democrats are going to have to consider. >> let's go to the most recent attack of a house of worship in the united states. one woman is dead and three are wounded, including an 8-year-old after a man opened fire inside chabad of poway synagogue on saturday. authorities say the gun used was an a.r.-style assault weapon. the victim jumped in front of the synagogue's founding rabbi, who suffered gunshot wounds to his hand.

the 19-year-old san diego resident fled the scene and proceed proceeded to and a far right in and sass he was inspired by the recent mosque attacks in new zealand where 50 people were killed. saturday's shooting occurred exactly six months to the day after 11 people were killed in pittsburgh's tree of life synagogue, which the manifesto also lists as an inspiration. max rose, if i could ask you, what's your reaction not just to the shooting but to the white house and how they're handling the spate of now shootings? >> this is just shocking yet again. another act of hate. another act of what is actually domestic terrorism, using a weapon that should no longer be sold in this country ever again.

i carried the military version of ar-15s in combat and i can tell you there's absolutely no need for that weapon to be on our streets. but i do want to draw attention to another issue that i don't think is in our discourse nearly enough and that is the role of social media in terms of keeping us less safe today. the principal threat that we face is that of the loan wolf who is self-radicalized on. what you see with this attack is it was impick wild he killed 50 people and that video was on facebook for 29 minutes before it was taken down, viewed millions upon millions of time. i'm the subcommittee chairman of counterterrorism. what we did in the aftermath that attack was write a very

simple left to facebook, twitter and youtube and the request was to ask them how much are they spending on counterterrorism screenings because budgets are values. we got a very weak response from youtube and twit and no roo responsible from facebook. they ignored the request. it is ridiculous! they have a responsibility to all of us to keep us safe. and they say they're trying to do this better and they recognize the need for regulation. are they doing enough? is there more that they could be doing whilst keeping their business model, which depends on more extreme stuff being on the site because that's how the revenue comes in. >> they made huge ground over the last two years, the last ten years in terms of extremists, the last two years in terms of

diswas i disinformation. most of these anonymous posting wins y butwant to go get a white supremacist who and i want to know, okay, we can beat up on the big platforms and they will and they will increase their resourcing and policing, pu we sending be treemists alternative sites that are not monitored or screened. with isis, it was telegram. >> we're also blinding ourselves

on these french florms. what are would going to do to get at these -- >> there's no doubt this requires a multi-facetted effort. isis has moved from being a land holding entity to a difused terrorist organization that relies on an ideology. it interesting about that private media or social network that you referenced is this individual who committed this attack also included a link where he intended to do a live feed on facebook. there is no silver bullet in this. but that being said, i do think these very large social media company have a responsibility that they are not perfectly fulfilling right now. certainly when they do their job, as they should be, this

this is a threat now of domestic terrorism that we cannot afford to ignore any longer and this administration certainly is. >> well, walter isaacson, you and i are both sons of the south. up know it was 50 years ago this i would get august maybe that i started first grade in, you know, outside in a rural part of meridian, mississippi. it was the first year that mississippi schools were integrat integrated. i grew up in integrated public schools and i thought that was normal. i thought and took great pride in growing up in the south and believing that every year was a year that we were moving further and further away from the racial scars that had torn the south

apart and compromised our and white supremacists are still going into maces of worship and shooting places up and i just within if the horrors of the birmingham the full support of civil rights, what's it going it tack for this sia and understan threat that is post every day to the others by as dr. king said back then the arc of history bends toward justice. we know it's not a steady surf, we have to keep bending it in that direction. we have the same once he had

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it gets put into as to beic brew and things happen. it would be very easy to remove that and have clear statement about white supremacy and about ethnic hatred coming from our leaders. >> ron, that leader of course starts with and end with donald trump. i'm glad he called i condemn neonazis, they are backward looking, they are hateful and they have know is a rising threat itand to the full extent of the law. and then do it period. he can do that today in 30

seconds but who won't. he didn't vfr charlotteville hereby didn't after the christ dmuchl he has it here. >> you're absolutely right, joe. i think it has something to do with the way he's played with our fears and our hatred. and instead of making that kind he'll seasoned out had on cnn but i wanted could we know that the trump administration tried to rebrand and turn its attention away from, what was goi

going -- >> one issue we've got to renew other focus on is the way our federal agencies are gathering data. i don't believe the organizations or individual. the other problem, though, is these intelligence organizati s organizations, they're far more unorganized than globaled terrorist organizations what we ds to do ba on the internet, in their parents' basement or some other ice hated room.

if woo do not maintain a vigorous and fbi then we will not solve this threat, will not solve this, ou. ? i don't know kristin and hoose the fourth man to stand in rab has to images are so often unblowably heart breaking. his shun opinion you are aking

hook pb and, mika, thank you so much for bringing up this incredible issue. we continue to honor christopher's legacy of service, both to our great city and as well as the country at large. we have lost thousands of veterans to suicide. each case of a veteran taking his own life or her own life is different. what we have got to do, though, while taking this issue incredibly seriously is not caricature it. we have got to conduct much more analysis around the issue of vet and congress be given a suitable

report on what incident so we can start it is that the virginia doesn't have sufficient interoperaability have to lug all of my fight and it will i believe be successful pu this is a matter of urgency. 20 we don't have enough data yet. as i said but they are more often than not tied. dramatically increase their

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>> i mean, i just have to say everythingy sa he said there wa lie. that's the sort of inflammatory rhetoric we were talking about that the president says is a lie. donald, it was your on justice department. you said jeff sessions of the smartest guy in government and if he wanted to be named secretary of state, you'd name him secretary of state. you made him your attorney general and then rehe recused himself. then you took one step after another step that required your justice department that $ so

independent not really confused, i know you're trying to stir up hate and maybe even violence because your words certainly go on the border an awful lot but a coup, that's just a lie, you know it's a lie, you know it irresponsible, you know it's just as irresponsible when you say enemy of the people. it kind of like when you talked about a second amendment solution from stopping hillary clinton from appointing judging that hillary clinton didn't like, we are so far beyond dog whistles. the blod that is speed on any violence to journalists, enemy

of poem no. your attorney general and you let that person walk. we are so past dog whistles now, donald. you are just inciting violence. it's just obvious. and that speech was every bit as obvious as those, quote, second amendment solutions that you talked about and the killing of hillary clinton to stop her from ever being able to appoint federal judges. i called it out then, we're calling it out now. you are unfit to the be president of the united states. can call you can call out white

nationalism, you can call out political violence, the synagogue shootings not going to stop until you call out white nationalism by its name and allow the federal government to actually see white nationalism as a threat and that's every bit as disturbing to us americans as it was to that they are both threats to america and we need a president who recognizes that. why don't you be that president? why don't you try? can do it. try to do it for saek put in

danger with your words. >> we cape in on friday to president trump speaking to the annual national association rifle convention. and the nra is facing a shake-up after olive north steps down and says he will not return. north reportedly attempted to oust wayne lapierre, the group's long time chief executive. quoting here from "the new york times," their standoff began on wednesday when mr. north urged mr. lapierre to resign. on thursday mr. will pierre and other executive if he refused to

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like an organization whose leadership is totally built their rank and file. it does remind me an awful lot of the ptl club, with jim and famhy faced and we knew when that was going on, that it was a good cause. we southern baptists believe supporting the ministry of jesus a bad cause because of people running that ministry. looks that way right now with the nra. they may have to clean house. >> absolute will company thor those us here sfm that's what

the nras. f fff. >> well, of course, mika, this all started after ruby ridge when wayne lapierre and the nra referred to law enforcement

officers as jack-booted thugs. it was the first time that that organization moved from an organization that was not controversial at all at least where i grew up because so many mitt and so many people i newspaper took their did out but at that point it started to become pl nra-tv began running ads, which one of the articles suggests turned off some of the members because, again, it moved away from guns and that had nothing

to do with it had gone to touch such. you would see these videos, talks ofand dana lausch turned over an hour glass and said your time is run sfrm there are a lot of nrh it. i want you to -- i don't expected you to get a sledge ham are and the nra was about

safety, teaching people about weapons. gone from safety to almost insighting divides. you look at those ads, it looks look they're inciting violence as well. >> what was remarkable about this opinion frnl it was divisive, you could plow into it as long as you coughed up cash. it fascinating that all three toes. and we have someone being charged and sentenced for trying to influence on behalf snchl.

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women are the majority of i organization for women who want to build our collective power and use to it change this country for good. because one of us can be dismissed. two of us can be ignored. but together we're not just the majority, we're a supermajority. and we are unstoppable. let's make sure the entire country knows it. >> oh, i love it. three of the nation's most influential activists have joined together to launch a brand-new organization that aims to focus the political power of women to influence elections and shape local and national policy priorities. it's called supermajority, as you saw and the organization's creators join us now. the former president of planned

parenthood, co-founder of black lives matter and executive director of the national domestic workers alliance. good to have you all on board. lucille, let's start with you. you all traveled the country and you found this, that staying home is not an option and we all agree with that. civic participation is totally inat the my dating. women want to do more than resist and women want to be in community with one another. so with that information, what are you doing with it to get women to act? what's the action? >> thanks, mika. i do think it's exciting right now that you look at every issue that's taking place in this country, whether it's teachers striking for better public schools, whether it's resisting family separation policies, whether it was defending access to planned parenthood and health care across the country, women have been at the forefront of all of that work. every place i go, and the three of us go, the most common

question that we here is women raising their hand and saying i want to do more. i want to do more than resist, i want to build the kind of country where all women have equal access to health care, to affordable child care, to a number of issues we feel have been left out in the political conversation. that's whole idea behind supermajority. our goal over this next year is to bring together 2 million women in this country who can really change what's happening on a number of issues that women care about every where. >> totally agree with you that the desire is there. how will you mobilize? >> well, i want to make sure that elisa and jen and i get to speak to this. one thing women asked for they want to get trained. they want to know how to be civically engaged. they want to make sure their votes are counted. we'll be doing it offline and online training for women. the other thing so many women

say, they want to know what other women are doing to be successful. supermajority is a great opportunity to link these activists and leaders together. >> so, we saw during the mid-term elections, unprecedented number of women were leekt lected to the house representatives. does supermajority mean women getting into positions of political power? what does it mean in a concrete way? >> sure. supermajority is a new home for women's activism. what we've seen over the last two years, at least, is that one in five americans in this country were involved in some kind of protest or resistance effort. but women want to do more and women are on fire. so what that looks like is, of course, changing the balance of power in this country. we know that women turned out in

ast astronomical rates. and women change the power of congress and elected more women of color than we've ever seen in the u.s. congress. it's about voting and elections and also very much winning on issues we care about. we're moving forward. a new deal for women that women all across the country can get involved with. we're trying to make sure these issues just aren't side issues or special interest issues, but that people start to recognize that women's issues are issues of national importance for everyone. >> so, typically this sort of -- i'm really excited, obviously. so, just because you're a woman doesn't necessarily mean your politics are in alignment, right? we can fall into an easy identity politics. what sort of work with supermajority do in order to speak across the ideological

difference? >> we spent the last year going from community to community, rural, urban, suburban, from ohio to alabama and what we found was -- it was incredibly inspiring to see the ways in which these issues were starting to emerge. it's everything from child care, how we'll take care of our families and afford child care and elder care to how we'll pay the bills when women are working incredibly hard and still not able to make ends meet because so many of us are working in minimum wage jobs without benefits or getting paid less for the same work. all of these issues, you can see them start to emerge as an agenda, an agenda that actually delivers on equality. it's about values. the values that are underneath the kind of democracy and future we want. so we're going to have this agenda. we're going to crowd source it from women all over the country. then we're going to be uplifting

it for the next 18 months. >> i think it's a good point because this is the kind of movement could be seen as basically a democratic movement, a more progress jennifer liberal movement. are you going to make specific steps to outreach towards republican conservative women as well? >> we absolutely are, believe that women's equality is a universal value. it's important to understand. so we're absolutely focused on organizing women to fight for women's equality, economic, social, cultural and in government. so i think that -- what i'm seeing and tinting thing, i think all of us have seen, so many women now have never been involved in issues, or campaigns. they are starting new organizations across the country because they don't agree the direction this government is going. they want to change that. i think there's a huge opportunity to engage women who have never been engaged before. and, you know, it's interesting,

i thought as an organizer we would find out women were burn out, that's absolutely the opposite. women are fired up. they were 54% of the voters in november. and i think they will be in 2020 as well. >> all right. the new group is supermajority. thank you all very much for being on. come back. love this. and this week at knowyourvalue.com we're talking about risk taking, what it means to trust your gut, take a leap, maybe make a big bet to elevate your career or join supermajority. it's in my newest book called "earn it." a manual to help women advocate for themselves right from the start. go to knowyourvalue.com to pre-order your copy.

this morning we talk to dick durbin who is recently back from southern border. we'll get his take what's happening there and discuss the deadly synagogue shooting in california. and the fresh scrutiny donald trump is facing on his record over white nationalism. "morning joe" is back in a moment. moment

>> how old is too old to be president? well, i just feel like a young man. i'm so young. i can't believe it. i'm the youngest person. i'm a young, vibrant man. i look at joe, i don't know about him. i don't know. i would never say anyone is too old. i know they are all making me look very young, both in terms of age and i think in terms of energy. i think you people know that better than anybody. >> yeah. just look at him. he's so young. and it's almost like, when he's saying he's so happy.

and he's so rich. and he's so smart. >> you know what else he is? 239 pounds. >> good day. >> good morning, everybody. >> welcome to "morning joe". it's monday, april 29th. with us we have white house reporter for the associated press. washington anchor for bbc world news america, katty kay. joe, you're creepy. >> for jonathan lapeer. >> eddie gott. and clint watts. we'll kick off the week with a number of developing headlines. joe biden is expected to big up a big endorsement today but not from his former boss. in fact, barack obama suft suggestsuin -- just suggested a good leader knows when to hang it off. attorney general faces off with democrats on capitol hill.

there's big questions whether william barr will testify. president trump meanwhile is claiming credit for what he calls the sick idea of sending migrants to sanctuary cities. he also compared the southern border to disneyland. and suggested family separations would send the right kind of message from america. >> does anybody compare the children in cages to day camp. >> this is out of that list, you feel. you know, we've heard this a few time that they have a list of crazy things to say or propose or actually try to carry out if they want to deflect from what they are doing. all of this is bad and needs a full stop every time. we're going to descend into something we can't explain. >> that's unfolding this morning along with a power struggle within the nra. the president rallied by accusing the justice department of orchestrating a coup. that's actually bizarre. this is an organization in

disarray. if you go in and look at the finances, it's extraordinary how much the top few people in the washington lobbyist branch of the nra actually stolen from members. if you look under so much self-dealing that's been going on inside of there, and, of course, by stole jenks i'm just referring to the article in "the new yorker," the articles that broke this past weekend. it looks like -- it looks like this is an organization that has had some bad, bad leadership for a very long time. and they are in real financial problem. oliver north got booted out this week in part some people believe because he was pushing very hard for an internal audit. >> we're going begin this morning with the latest on the attack on a house of worship in the united states. one woman is dead and three others wounded including an 8-year-old after a man opened

fire inside california's chabad poway synagogue on saturday as congregants were celebrating the final dave passover. authorities say that the gun used was an ar style assault weapon. >> what a surprise. >> witnesses say the victim, 60-year-old lori kaye jumped in front of rabbi yisroel goldstein. the suspect fled the scene then proceed to call police to say he was involved. he was arrested shortly after. someone with the same name as the suspect posted an anti-semitic and anti-muslim manifesto on a far-right message board hours before the shooting in which he also claims responsibility for a march mosque fire and says he was inspired by the recent mosque attacks in new zealand where 50 people were killed.

saturday's shooting occurred exactly six months to the day after 11 people were killed in pittsburgh's tree of life synagogue, which also -- the manifesto also lists as its inspiration. last night rabbi yisroel goldstein spoke with kasie hunt. >> hating jews is hating humanity. we are all humans. we're all created in god's image. and having hate in your heart will only destroy. we will stand tall. we will be there. i lost my finger yesterday, 24 hours ago. my index finger which will remain a scar on me forever but it will also remind me how vulnerable we are but how heroic we can be. >> so, jonathan, a spate of shootings during the trump administration, inspired white

nationalists, inspired by different events, but it all seems to come back to the same theme and that is, again, hatred for jew, hatred for blacks, hatred for others. and you can go all the way back to charlottesville. >> that's right. i mean we have seen in the last couple of years statistics bear this out a rise in anti-semitic incidents, a rise in violence perpetrated by white nationalists. the shooting in the new zealand is most recent example. the shooting in synagogue in pittsburgh and sadly this weekend where we saw heroism from miss kaye who lost her life. the rabbi said they felt they caught a break because the shooter's gun jam otherwise the body count would have been much higher. yes, there's certainly been speculation and condemnation of this president for not doing enough to condemn these sort of moments, to not do enough to condemn anti-semitic, the rise

of anti-semitism or white nationalism. during that same interaction with reporters on friday he was asked about his charlottesville comments which is back in the news because joe biden brought them up. again the president defend it saying that when he praised there were fine people on both sides he wasn't talking about white nationalists, he said, he wasn't talking about the white supremacists or neo-nazis but those that were protesting the removement of the robert e. lee, his statue from charlottesville. while looking back at his comments in 2017 when he first made them that's a dubious claim. more than that the marchers in charlottesville, carrying their tiki torches these were people protests the removal the statue but also saying this is our land, the jews will not replace us, blood and soil and other troupes like that.

it remains an indefensible argument from the president and one he don't make and one he won't acknowledge he made a mistake and still refuses to condemn this movement. >> sadly, donald trump some had once a respect. have been trying to make this argument. that the tiki torch brigade, chanting slow arrogance that were somehow separated and there were good people there as well as bad people there. clint watts i don't buy that any more than i buy the white house and their claim that white nationalism is not on the rise. the numbers just don't bear that out do, they? >> not only does it not bear them out it's been on a ten year trajectory. we've seen increasing levels on talk both online and on the ground in terms of protests. what sticks out what's happened over the last two years. we used to talk about domestic

terrorism. they weren't motivated to violence. in the last two years that's changed significantly not justin united states but around the world. we act as if each of these attacks are one offs. they are not. they work online like al qaeda. they share their tactics, techniques, offer manifestos to each other in terms of what they are targeting, who they should target, why they should target. this is a network unless we get into this, unless we bring these threats together we'll don't react to these attacks. if you go to the fbi they are using a totally rule set on domestic terrorism versus international terrorism. we use national security guidelines to go after al qaeda and isis. we opened up large scale investigations where we allowed them to preelmively go in and start to look at fisa, their online activity and anybody that so much as touched the word isis or al qaeda would be looked at, visited, interviewed to see what

their connections might be. instead what we do we wait for an attack right now. we go out, see the damage and act oh, some bad apple. they are not bad apples. they know each other and inspired by each other. three years ago you had me on this show. we talked about direct network and inspired attacks. we're seeing the same phenomenon but these are bottom up. they network online. soon be directing each other. >> the trump administration is doing nothing about it. you look at the former coast guard member who had a kill list of media members but also the speak of the house, nancy pelosi. chuck schumer the minority leader of the senate. democratic presidential candidates. this was a guy that had a kill list, he had a manifesto. he was inspired by norwegian mass murderer, white nationalist who killed over 70 people, slaughtered dozens and dozens of children at a day camp.

and donald trump and attorney general barr and the trump justice department let him walk. >> yeah. the incidents and level of violence we're seeing now are far higher. these folks have weapons. oftentimes they have training. they know what the targets. if you look at the guy who sent the bombs his targeting looked a lot like hasson when he was arrested in washington. what is it, it's a synagogue, a mosque, an african-american church. what's common among them, they are not white. >> of the two men you named they were either trump critics or people running against donald trump for president of the united states. >> that's exactly right. >> they are on kill lists. they are on target lists. clint, you tell me, why isn't barr bringing charges so a judge who is afraid of hasson and

afraid he'll commit acts of violence when he's released, why aren't they charging him? >> there's no good reason. the only reason is international terrorists don't vote and domestic terrorists do vote and it has to do with politics. this is intertwined in our own politics today. they are inspired oftentimes by political rhetoric. if you took the statements by politicians right now in this country and compare them to what al qaeda or isis clerics said that inspired attacks around the world over the last decade they would look remarkably similar. this is incitement to violence. >> your talking about donald trump here, enemy of the people? >> that's exactly right. talking about people as animals or dogs. talking about people as being lesser than humans. that sort of talk is highly similar to any extremism movement. >> donald trump this weekend referring to fbi agents as scum. >> clint, are you surprised that christopher hasson is allowed to walk pending all this?

is there a way, anyway that the attorney general of the u.s. attorney and all those who are basically overseeing what the next steps are for him legally, you don't think there's anyway they can keep him behind bars? are they choosing not to? >> i'm absolutely stunned. i don't understand their decision-making process but i can't imagine any time after 9/11 where if we came across a suspect, they had that sort of targeting list, talked about mobilizing violence we would be talking about press conference, air strikes, moving fbi task forces into action. this is a completely different response that we're seeing in this case. so i'm very confused about the decision calculus on this. >> can we stop right there? every time something happens with this trump administration that seems so out of order and so wrong and so against our core values or perhaps even our national security, we're shocked and we move on. i would like to point out as someone whose husband is on this

kill list that i am very concerned that these decisions are politically motivated from the top. i have never seen a case with this president where it hasn't been. and i'm just going to put a frame around that, it's my analysis, my opinion, but someone try and tell me why i shouldn't feel this way right now. because this guy should stay behind bars for a very long time and there should not be a thought right now for anybody who is on that kill list or their family members that he might walk and be in public and be free. there's no reality here. >> we believe that barr would have released somebody that had donald trump, mitch mcconnell, kevin mccarthy, sean hannity, rush limbaugh, republican candidates, the top republican candidates running for political office in 2020 on a kill list? do we really believe that donald trump and barr would allow that

person that had weapons and had a manifesto and had a kill list of the top republicans in america that he was ready to go out and kill? do we really believe barr and trump would let that person walk free? again, we're talking about the rise of white nationalism and here's a guy that's planning to slaughter everyone of donald trump's political rivals. >> i think all you have to do is look to the degree to which the white house is very quick to condemn muslim far extremist, terrorists when they take action and the degree to which the white house does not speak out against white nationalists, terrorists when they take action. and you see and i think you have your answer. no. christopher hasson was muslim he wouldn't be walking free at the moment. >> he would be buried. >> he would be held one terrorism laws in the country. so there's clearly a double standard. and i think what clint is saying

about the networking of these groups, these are no longer -- it's easy to say this was a one off individual white nationalist who struck a synagogue or against a muslim community. it's not like that any more. you can see that in the manifesto. the manifesto of the shooter in new zealand drew exactly from the manifesto of the shooter in norway and in south carolina. they are looking at each other, they are drawing each other's ideas, they are reading the same things, they are writing the same things, the same words in their manifestos. these are linked communities now whether they are talking to each other one-on-one is almost irrelevant. the point is they are drawing ideas from each other and acting in coordination with each other. >> like the coast guard lieutenant. he was ready to go out and kill people he considered to be donald trump's political rivals and, again, barr lets him walk.

donald trump for so many years were enraged that barack obama would not call islamic terrorism by its name. barack obama would not talk about the problem that america had dealing with islamic terrorism. yet here we have a president who refuses to talk about the very real growing athlete from white nationalism. >> there's no need to expect moral consistency on the part of donald trump. first my heart goes out to the folks in poway, california, to the folks in the synagogue. this kind of violence is not only devastating to families, it terrorizes the country in so many different ways. we've talked about the individual act of this 19-year-old who embraced, embraces white nationalism. we can talk about the discourse of guns. we can talk about gun control. here again we have guns used to kill multiple people. but it's important, i think, and

everyone has made this point and you as well, joe, there's an environment, a context allowing this stuff to mestatatize. as we're dealing with the fact a 19-year-old murdered a 60-year-old woman and injured an 8-year-old child and oh, donald trump talking about charlottesville. donald trump talking about the sick idea, right, of sanctuary cities. talking about immigration and disneyland. remember what motivated the carnage at the tree of life, the carnoustie van. george soros who was funding this. so we have an environment that so toxic. we have in some ways a president that is embracing a segment of the population that literally has the country by the throat, joe and we have to do something about this or we'll see even more die. let me be very clear, you are on

a hit list. i can't walk out of my office without, how can i put this, without having my head on a swivel. my entire building is locked down because of threats. right. white supremacists have terrorized people day in and day out in this country and now they feel emboldened. we have a serious choice to make in this country or we'll see more carnage. still ahead first endorsements this cycle by a major labor union. firefighters are lining up behind joe biden and we talked to the group's president in a moment joe exclusive. we're back in just a moment. we see two travelers so at a comfort innal with a glow around them, so people watching will be like, "wow, maybe i'll glow too if i book direct at choicehotels.com". who glows? just say, badda book. badda boom. book now at choicehotels.com

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a look now at the 2020 presidential field. former vp joe biden will hold his first campaign rally at a

union event in pittsburgh and in a new "washington post"/abc news poll 13% of democrats and democrat leaning adults support biden up four points since january. ed by inis four points ahead of bernie sanders who has 9% support among democrats. the poll was conducted mostly before biden's campaign announcement last week. however, when asked to name the candidate they currently support a clear majority of democrats and democratic leaning independents did not volunteer anyone. >> looks like a wide-open field. >> this morning biden just received the endorsement of the international association of firefighters for president of the united states. joining us now, general president of the iaff harold schaitberger. he also serves as vice president of the afl-cio. great to have you on this morning. >> thanks so much, mika.

>> here's a story i love telling to republican candidates is how in '96 when the aflci was running ads against republican i would bash union bosses left and right, he came up and said hey kid shut up we're all voting for you. so it's the first time i realized there was such a crossover and you have always understood that. you always understood these trump voters are up for grabs. and a lot of them are in your union. so the question s-how hard is it going to be to defeat donald trump in 2020, and how does joe biden, what does joe biden have uniquely that other democratic candidates may not have to beat trump? >> well, first of all, joe biden has the experience. his years in the senate, his years as vice president and a proven track record of

supporting not just firefighters and our profession bust all workers. joe understands the dignity of work. joe has been supporting fair pay, overtime pay, benefits, death benefits for firefighters families, for those killed in the line of duty. he has really a 40 year track record of performance. and he also has the ability to speak to those workers, particularly in the states that are key in the next presidential election to be able to connect with them. quite frankly that they did not feel connected toby the democratic nominee in 2016. you know, i said to many of those when we debate the current political arena and there's so many candidates, of course, now running in the democratic primary. but the fact of the matter is that to win a presidential election, it doesn't matter if you have 4 million more votes in

california or a couple million more votes in new york or a couple million more votes in new england, you have to win 270 electoral votes. those votes are key in the states of pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, iowa. joe biden is genuine and has the ability to connect and touch and speak to those workers and those voters and bring them back from where many of them did migrate in 2016. >> coming up the second ranking democrat in the snarkts dick durbin is standing by. he joins the conversation next on "morning joe".enate, dick durbin is standing by. he joins the conversation next he joins the conversation next on "morning joe".

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the president is changing his version of events. >> i don't care what happened between him and don mcgahn. here's what i care about. was mueller allowed to do his job? the answer is yes. it's over for me. he didn't clued with the russians. this charge of obstruction of justice is absurd. >> senator lindsey graham chair mapp of the judiciary committee speaking to the first comments you heard there from former deputy attorney general sally yates. joining me now the second ranking democrat in the senate member of the judiciary committee, minority whip, dick durbin of illinois. do we really have to go back and forth as to whether the president did things that were incredibly inappropriate and unfit to the presidency and obstructing? >> well he fired mr. comey then he said to lester holt i want to put an end to this russian investigation and then everything that fold really backed that up from start to

finish. telling people like don mcgahn and mr. lewandowski, get rid of him. those were pretty clear orders. this wasn't a debate in the white house. it was an order from the president for the sake of this report was ignored by several people on his staff. we can't ignore that. >> there's a lot going on. the president does a lot to distract the. but staying focused on this and looking at the subpoenas coming out of the house oversight committee, the questions that congress has for this president, what's the process if the president does not cooperate? what's the process if the attorney general does not cooperate and answer questions? >> there's always been resistance, intention when it comes to the two branches and congress asking for witnesses and documents. it happens all the time. but usually behind-the-scenes and resolved before the end of the day. in this case it is just a blanket decision by this administration they are going to

stonewall and stop and that to me is not a healthy thing for this country. if a president is not held accountable by congress, then it clearly just comes down to an election every four years. the function of this democracy requires a relationship between the two. and some back and forth. in this circumstance whether it's the tax returns, other documentation, witnesses, we're in a fight to finish. >> the president and his team made clear they will invoke executive privilege to prevent some witnesses from testifying and then who already spoke to special counsel like don mcgahn. they will stonewall investigations up and down to matters like security clearance and tax returns to stifle everything democrats want to do. first what sort of recourse do democrats have if the white house, whether it's executive privilege by other means stall things to run out the clock towards the election. >> we have two courts. the actual court system. they will be used for the

challenges to these efforts by the white house to stonewall. and then the court of public opinion. at what point does the public sentiment say this president needs to be held responsible. if he's going to be held responsible those who are complicit in protecting him from disclosure has to pay a price. >> the attorney general is supposed to appear this week before the senate and house but now he's suggesting he may not go before the house. what is your reaction to that? what should democrats do to make sure he shows up. >> i don't know we can make sure. but chairman madler and house judiciary what a 30 minute staff attorney interrogation of the attorney general and he's resisting. i'll let jerrold nadler work that out with the department of justice and the attorney general but basically he should be there and held accountable to both the house and the senate judiciary committees. >> let's talk about 2020 and the 20 democrats now in the race. you were the first senator to

endorse barack obama back in 2008. your going to endorse somebody early again as you did last time around and if not why not? >> at this point i will not. there are a couple of very personal reasons. first when you look at all the senators running, these are my colleagues run. it's a hard choice to make. secondly this will evolve and change. this field will change over a period of time. fewer will become viable candidates and some will decide to move on to something else. >> why not joe biden because joe biden was barack obama's vice president for eight years. you are very close to president obama. you were his primary endorser. wouldn't it be normal for you to pick up the mantel styling himself as an obama democrat? >> course. i'm a great fan of joe biden and respect him as a great friend and leader. but there are many good candidates in this race. i mean, i got to meet last august mayor pete buttigieg.

am i close? >> we go with mayor pete. >> if you look at the array of candidates from this former mayor all the way to joe biden, we have some extraordinary women and men and talent that they bring. let's encourage that conversation. i think it's good for the party. >> all right. senator durbin, we're going to show you after the break the president talking about his sick idea for migrants and i'm using his word, sick idea. i know you're just back from the border. let's take a quick break and we'll be right back with senator dick durbin. we call it the mother standard of care.

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they are not too happy about it. i'm proud to tell you that was actually my sick idea. [ laughter ] hey, hey, what do they say? we want them. i said we'll give them to you, thank you. they said we don't want them. just awful. that was president trump and his wisconsin rally on friday. nbc news has reached out the white house, which so far has not confirm that such a policy is currently in place. and more from the president on immigration. in an interview he said that now that his administration's family separation policy has ended the southern border has become like disneyland. >> we go out and we stopped the separation. the problem is you have ten times more people coming up with their families. it's like disneyland now. before you get separated people

would say let's not go up. now you don't get separated and you know while that sounds nice and all what happens is you have literally ten times more families coming up because they are not going to be separated from their children. >> all right. meanwhile "the washington post" reports that fox business host lou dobbs has become an influential voice to the president on policy. close associates of the two men told the "post" they speak sometimes as often as every day. in an spru last week trump told the "post" that lou has strong minutes on the border.interview told the "post" that lou has strong minutes on the border. our conversation with senator dick durbin continues. i understand you've been to the border. does it took like disneyland, and what do you make of that

parallel, that mocking parallel that the president is making for people who are held at the border, often in very uncomfortable conditions? >> mika, the situation on our southern border and i was in el paso a couple weeks back is far from a disneyland situation. you look at detention cell for detained immigrants who are preventing themselves at the border not invading, but presenting themselves and you see above the door capacity 35. you look through the plate glass window there's 150 men standing shoulder to shoulder. one bathroom, one toilet. next one capacity is 16. you see 75 women including nursing mothers. for the president to characterize this as disneyland tells me he's out of touch. he's made a dog's breakfast out of immigration policy. the tougher his rhetoric is, the more flow to our borders. he doesn't understand this. the smugglers are going down to

guatemala and el salvador and honduras you better get up there before he builds a wall. now is the time to cash in everything you have and make your one trek to the border. they do. they come up in desparation believing the clock is running. to cut foreign aid to these three countries is to encourage even more to come to this country. he doesn't even understand that. he can listen to lou dobbs all he wishes but he needs to talk to somebody with common sense. >> when you think about the collateral effects of this kind of rhetoric, on the kind of moral fabric on the country, some people are saying i'm making a connection between that rhetoric and what we just saw. in poway, california at the church synagogue. talk about how trump's language around immigration is affecting the country broadly? >> immigration is more than a dog whistle around the world. it's the clarion call.

as you move towards authoritarianism it's more and more grounded in anti-immigrant rhetoric some of it exaggerated beyond belief like countries in australia if there's an immigrant country and behavioral the liberal conservative which is the most conservative have now come out and said we're putting an end of immigration because of the threat to the my. you look at the actual economic impact and it's not there. they are using this all over the world to organize behind right-wing candidates and behind the kind of hate rhetoric we've seen in the united states. i do believe there's a connection. i think you're right to make it that if you start with immigration and you continue with this notion that folks marching in charlottesville, with the neo-nazi banners were somehow just like the other folks, then you start inviting the kind of awful things we've seen at sikh temples, synagogues and churches. the president needs to accept

that and bill barr the attorney general when he comes before us needs to explain what this administration is doing about domestic terrorism. imagine in poway, california if that person had been someone from the middle east or a green cardholder, what would we have seen today in terms of reaction from this white house? but they ignore it -- i shouldn't say ignore it, they don't play it as seriously as they should because it isn't as fitting their stereotypes of the threat to the united states. >> i want to follow up on that. we've been talking about the president's rhetoric and the rise we've seen of anti-semitism and white nationalism and violence attached to those moments. the president should be doing more is the consensus. what more can congress be zmoing isn't there anti-terrorism, domestic terrorism legislation that congress can be passing? why is that not done? >> i introduced the bill for that very reason. we should treat these folks as terrorists as they are. and we have a victim here, a victim there but it's just a

repeating trend in this country. i think we can associate it with a lot of different elements with the internet, with some of the things that are being given permission by the leading politicians in this country. that to me is something that should be taken as seriously as terrorism that comes from overseas. >> senator, you got two more years of this administration. do you think there is anything that you and your colleagues on the other side can work on that would materially change people's lives in this country? can you get any big legislation through? is there any appetite to work together to get anything done >> it's a good question. later this week there's a summit of congressional leaders of both parties to talk about infrastructure. the big promise in the trump campaign -- >> will democrats be prepared to give the president that to give him an infrastructure bill. >> if it's meaningful. we said we want to put people back to work. infrastructure is key to bulling the economy. it's long overdo.

we need serious efforts to increase revenue. the president started by saying well instead of 80% federal, 20% local we'll flip it. make it 20% federal. at that point it's a nonstarter. i was at a meeting in the white house when the president abandoned that approach a few weeks ago. >> senator dick durbin, thank you so much for staying with us. and still ahead, it sounds like southeast reporting we've heard about donald trump. he agreed to a deal but no intention of honoring it. only this time it involved an american college student held in a north korean prison camp. we'll explain that just ahead on "morning joe". on irreversible a ongoing pain and stiffness are signs of joint erosion. humira can help stop the clock. prescribed for 15 years, humira targets and blocks a source of inflammation

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frontline documentary on the last survivors, made all the more poignant by the rise of anti semitism around the world, including the deadly synagogue attack over the weekend in california. the holocaust day of remembrance is this week and the director of that new film joins "morning joe first look" tomorrow, tune into that. "the new york times" that has issued an apology for publishing an anti submit i go cartoon, published april 25th, shows an apparently blind president trump wearing a yaum ca being led by a dog with the star of david for a collar and the face of the israeli netanyahu. they posted this. "we are deeply sorry for the publication of an anti is semitic political cartoon last

thursday in the print edition of the "new york times" that circulated outside the united states and we are committed to making sure something like this never happens. we have investigated how this happened and learned that because of a faulty process, a single editor working without adequate oversight downloaded the syndicated cartoon and made the decision to include it on the opinion page. the matter remains under review and we are evaluating our internal processes and training. we anticipate significant changes." and editor's note regarding the cartoon will also appear in today's international edition. and now to a follow-up on a story we told you about on friday, "the washington post" first reported that north korea issued the united states a $2 million bill for hospital care for college student otto warmbier who by that time was in

a coma. insisting the u.s. pledge to pay the bill before agreeing to release warmbier back into u.s. custody. according to the post citing two people familiar with the situation the envoy sent to get warmbier signed an agreement to pay the bill on instructions passed down from president trump. the paper says the bill went to the treasury department where it remained unpaid throughout 2017. on friday after we reported on the story the president tweeted that no money was paid to north korea for warmbier's release. yesterday, national security adviser john bolton was asked what he knows about the $2 million demand. >> did north korea demand money for the release of otto warmbier? >> it appears they did. this occurred before i came into the administration, but that's my understanding, yes. >> did the u.s. official who was there to get him out of the country, joseph yoon, did he sign a document pledging the

money in order to get him out? >> that is what i'm told, yes. >> and i guess the bottom line question is, did the u.s. pay any money to north korea, however it was disguised, after warmbier was released? >> absolutely not. >> so basically we signed the document, fully intended not to honor it. >> well, i don't know the circumstances. it's very clear to me from my looking into it in the past few days no money was paid. >> all right. as we close the show we're going to go to final thoughts. i'll just start by saying, you know, every time we read or listen about this presidency, listen to the president perhaps in his speech on friday or saturday night, he lies every day. we're at tens of thousands of lies at this point. and we're at a point where we're not shocked anymore. and i'm just going to say for the record i continue to be shocked and call on leaders in washington, whether you're serving in this administration or you're serving as oversight to this administration, whether

you're a democrat or republican, we're begging you to lead and act and do the right thing. there are actions that we see in front of our eyes that require censure, that require impeachment consideration, that require a look at whether or not this president is fit to lead, stop being shocked and moving on, act. eddie glaud? >> what we've seen over the past weekend is the gunk at the bottom of the american project settled, it's like the water that's been dirtied, muddied by the gunk at the bottom of the river bed. it's us. and part of what we need to do in this moment is not to just simply fix sate on the problems of donald trump but to think about who we are and to imagine a different way forward. if we don't then we will stay on this racial hampster wheel and continue to grieve over the loss of life. >> we have got used to when

somebody called mohammed or ahmed does something. we're not seeing that when it comes to white nationalists, and i think it was interesting to hear clint earlier in the program talk about how this is a movement, they're connected, it has to come from the top down to show that we are taking this seriously as a terrorism threat, not just as individual actions. >> jonathan le mere. >> we opened the show with the weekend's cultural events, the avengers movie, taylor swift, there was a significant game of thrones last night. there's a parallel, each candidate is jockeying to make their voice heard and making adjustments along the way, we talked about how mayor pete is meeting with reverend sharpton, i think there's a buzz growing around elizabeth warren as the

ideas candidate and will her opponents in the democratic field be able to keep up and unleash their own proposals to match pace? >> all right. well now two out of three of those i didn't see, which says a lot about me. but i'll work on it. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> thanks so much, mika. i'm stephanie ruhle with a lot to cover this morning, starting with a tragedy in a house of worship, a gunman opens fire at a california synagogue, killing one and injuring three on the final day of passover. the synagogue's rabbi remembering the victim as the example of kindness to the fullest extent after she heroically jumped in front of gunfire. >> and then her daughter hannah comes out screaming, daddy and mommy, let's go. this is the most heart wrenching sight i could have seen but i do know that this is lori, this is her legacy, and her l