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committee. >> i have been a prosecutor for nearly 30 years. i can tell you i personally prosecuted obstruction cases on far less evident than this. i believe if he were not the president of the united states he would likely be indicted on obstruction. fighting hate. a community mourns the loss of a woman who leaped into the line of fire in her california synagogue saving the rabbi and countless others. >> she took the bullet for all of us. she didn't deserve to die. my missing finger will forever scar me physically, but it's going to remind me how vulnerable we are and also how heroic each one of us can be. >> coming up, i will talk to rabbi goldstein about the rampage in his house of worship.
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and joe biden kicks off his campaign rally today with the firefighters union. >> this election, the real question is who has the ability to win. and our view is that joe biden's track record, his proven results over a long career is a positive, not a negative. >> the biden 2020 campaign's communication director joining me next from pittsburgh. and good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington where a face-off between william barr, the attorney general and refuse to testify to their judiciary committee about the mueller probe. mr. barr is set to appear before lindsey graham's senate judiciary panel wednesday to
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answer questions about the handling of the mueller report. barr is objecting to house judiciary chairman jerry nadler. joining my now is kristin welker, harry litman and msnbc political analyst peter baker, chief white house correspondent at the "new york times." the fact is the attorney general is going to appear before the senate judiciary panel and suggesting they are still in negotiations that he may refuse to appear before the house panel that has oversight over him. there is really no precedent for that. >> that's right. and again just to under score the point that you made. at issue here is the fact that the judiciary committee wants
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staff lawyers to have an opportunity to ask questions of the attorney general once lawmakers are finished with their line of questioning. the attorney general saying that he agreed to sit down and answer questions before the judiciary committee but this is out of bounds. this is an ongoing standoff and the white house is digging in in its support for barr. sarah sanders saying dems were acting in a childish manner. over the weekend, you have the chairman saying they would move to subpoena him if he does in fact refuse to show up. all of this really highlighting a deepening standoff between the administration and congress who right now is saying we have the responsibility of oversight so in addition to hearings like this, they are demanding more information, more information that they say the white house is blocking or stone walling
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including the president's taxes, hearing from other current and former officials like don mcgahn. it is a lot of folks on capitol hill saying this is an unprecedented stand off. >> and the issue is the performance of the attorney general leading up to the release of the mueller report, his four-page memo, the way he characterized it, the way he in his news conference four times in that news conference used the word collusion which is not a legal term, seeming to trying to appeal to the president. and the fact that he is supposed to be the attorney general of the united states, i asked sally yates who was fired for opposing the muslim ban in the early confrontation that she had with the white house. this was what she had to say on
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meet the press. >> yes, i believe if he were not the president of the united states, he would likely be indicted on obstruction. >> which in particular do you site as the most significant, the red flags that you see? >> the ones that he found that all three elements were satisfied with respect to trying to fire special counsel mueller through don mcgahn and trying to get don mcgahn to lie about it later. and then trying to reduce, to cabin the scope of the investigation to what's really nonsensical, to campaign interference in future elections. >> harry litman, as the lawyer on the panel, let's talk about the conclusions of the mueller report and the way they have been characterized by the president and the attorney general which is what house judiciary members as well as senators want to get to with the
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attorney general this week. >> there's really no way around it, andrea. so certainly deputy attorney general yates is correct. the chapter and verse of several obstructions, the ones she named and a couple others are set out clearly and it's clearly what mueller concluded. the more you read it, the more it becomes indisputable. barr's decision now to try to evade testimony is not just his own behavior at the press conference that is at stake, this is now the explanation to the american people of why supposedly the department of justice exculpated trump, said it wasn't a crime. this is the most significant public issue on the whole table right now in the country. and for that to be forestalled by silly school yard fights about rules especially when we're talking about a very well-established precedent of
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house judiciary using lawyers to ask questions if that's more effective, it's a bad look for the attorney general. >> the whole question about the mueller report and whether or not it's case closed as the president was saying in wisconsin. peter baker, the president has certainly had three weeks head start as did attorney general in branding this as case closed. we don't know yet whether we will hear from robert mueller. i suspect he will keep close to the careful way he outlined things in his report. he is an institutional guy. it is really up to the democrats in congress with only wuexception on the republican side, mitt romney, to lay out what really is a condemning report in terms of the russia interference and the connections to the trump campaign and the alleged obstruction. >> and the question is whether or not the democrats in the form of hearings are able to get
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through to the public in a way that the written report did not and the way that the media coverage has not. the american public has basically taken its assessment of this and more or less ended in the same place it started. people who didn't like trump to begin with found it to be damning. the question is whether hearings in a visual way and televised way with witnesses and questions change that impression or simply reinforce the ones that people already have. >> as someone who has covered washington for so long, there have been conflicts before between attorney general eric holder and the gun issues, but this seems to be a dramatic cutting edge dispute. >> because at the part of it is the fate of the president of the united states. the eric holder dispute was important about a policy that went wrong under the justice department at that time.
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it didn't involve the future of the president of the united states. here we are talking about donald trump and whether he will continue in office until the end of his term or not and we are talking about the integrity of american elections. the stakes feel bigger. the the house and the attorney general is one that we haven't really seen in the same way. >> and to that very point about the interference with our elections, i want to bring in the president of the council of foreign relations who had an extraordinary conversation with the fbi director on friday about russian interference and what we are doing to stop it. let me play you a little bit about the conversation and talk to kbrou on the other side. >> do you see evolution on the scale and nature of the russian threat on interference? >> i think it is important to distinguish between two categories. sometimes the word interference and influence get even by us get
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a little interchangeable. use of fake news, false personas, et cetera to spin us up against each other, that is not just an election cycle threat, it's pretty much a 365 days a year threat. >> richard, he made it very clear that this threat is not going away. you have reporting from the "new york times" that neilsen was told by acting chief of staff not to bring up the subject of russian interference because he still views it as somehow questioning legitimacy of his election and therefore she could not hold a cabinet meeting even though there should be a government wide organization to
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push back against this kind of interference in our elections. >> you're exactly right, andrea. this is an ongoing major threat. i think the phrase the fbi director used and what we saw a few months ago was simply a dress rehearsal for the 2020 presidential election and it's going to take a unified u.s. government effort, working with local boards of elections and working with the social media companies to push back. and that "new york times" story is disquieting to put it gently that somehow this is not a subject that is fit for top level review by this administration. >> let me play what amy klobuchar said about efforts by the administration to push back anytime congress tries to do something about this. >> if we want to protect our nation, maybe russia didn't use tanks and missiles, but they invaded our democracy all the
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same. they did it by meddling and invading our democracy. every time that i have tried to do something about this with our secure elections act, the white house has squelched the efforts. they won't pass the bipartisan bill for backup paper ballots. >> by 56 to 37 i believe the washington post abc poll found that the american people do not want impeachment proceedings or hearings. has the president won the politics of this already? >> reporter: well, the matter of the mueller report and how it is being perceived in the public eye in the wake of course of attorney general bill barr holding the news conference before the public had seen it, it appears as though right now he has. but he is getting mounting pressure from democrats and from republicans, as well, to do more about this critical issue of russia's meddling in 20 20.
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the administration saying they have taken steps. they point to the fact that dhs and d.o.j. have been working to sure up elections at state and local levels and did pass a level to allow the president to slap sanctions on foreign entities that tried to meddle. you are hearing demands -- president trump himself come up and more firmly denounce this and russia. one of the points that you raised on meet the press, the news conference in helsinki where he said he took his word over his own intelligence communities. i think you will hear those calls growing louder even in the wake of the mueller report and the president saying that essentially he has been totally vindicated by it. >> is vladimir putin emboldened by the comments that come out of the president? >> you have to think he is. putin continues to show that he is willing and able to use whatever power russia has whether it is military power in
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crimea or syria or energy power vis-a-vis europe. now you are using his power in cyber space in the cyber domain. i would say we have to make it tougher on him here. it is also about whether we take this to him rather than simply playing defense are there things we can do with sanctions and potentially in cyber space that would put pressure on putin who cares about preserving his own power, his own political position, trying to prevent a revolution. can we use social media there? can we use the internet there to go after putin a bit? i think that's a fair question now. >> peter baker, one thing that has happened secretly, quietly is during the recess treasury lifted sanctions on deripaska. >> there has been a dichotomy. there is the president and the rest of the administration. the rest of the administration at least on some level has taken
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pretty tough stands. deripaska being the exception where they kind of rolled back what they were doing. they felt like they made a mistake that would help aluminum industry outside. >> and kentucky. >> that's exactly right. what putin looks to is the president. i was in moscow for four years for the washington post. when we did interviews with him it was clear that it only mattered to him if the president of the united states was taking a position. it is consequential if a president chooses not to publicly take the stance even if the rest of the administration does. >> really important point. thank you very much. thanks to all. coming up, community reeling as a funeral service is held for the victim of california synagogue shooting.
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shooting in california over the weekend is being laid to rest today. 60-year-old laurie gilbert kay was shot and killed when she jumped into the line of fire to protect the founding rabbi who suffered gunshot wounds and serious wounds to his hands. she and her husband and daughter were at synagogue on the final day of passover on sunday. three others were inujured including an 8-year-old child. the alleged gunman identified as officials as a 19-year-old man surrendered to police. he said he was inspired by the gunman in new zealand who killed 50 people. he is facing murder charges. joining me now is rabbi israel
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goldstein. i'm so sorry for your losses, your loss of your very good friend, the violence that was done to your house of worship and your own injuries. thank you for being with us today. >> thank you for covering this story. this story needs to be told. and it needs to be told loud and clear. this must stop. this hate, the anti-semitism that has shown its ugly head once again just 70 years after the holocaust, this has to stop. we can no longer tolerate this new norm. >> this is being spread, the violence is being spread online. how can we get our arms around the modern phenomenon, of course, of internet communications? here this man says -- this teenager says he was inspired in part by what happened in new
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zealand. >> there is too much darkness being spread, too much darkness being distributed throughout the social media and throughout the world. how do we counter darkness is with light. as when we encounter such darkness, then we have to take action in our own hands and start spreading the light, and start spreading good news, positive thoughts instead of rushing to publicize terrible news and terrible events and negativism why don't we emphasize more positive, good deeds and good actions. it's a matter of a skill. what skill is going to win? the darkness or the light? we need to literally push darkness away with light. a little bit of light pushes
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away a lot of darkness. >> the part of the tragedy was the death of your good friend. we have pictures that have been shared of her dancing with your daughter at your daughter's wedding only two weeks ago. she was a founding member of your synagogue. her husband i know was there, doctor trying to revive her. her daughter was there to help her parents, mourning for the loss of her mother. it's an unimaginable loss and she saved your life. tell us what happened. >> it's even hard to imagine talking about her as in the past. she was just full of life.
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she was one of those people that you want to have in your community. she is one of those type of a member of a congregation who you want to be a part of your congregation. she was so loving, caring, vivacious, always in the center of everything. she was always the first one there to be there, to do something kind and good in all life cycle events. she was the one who made sure things happened. she and her husband flew to be with us in new york as our youngest daughter got married to our son-in-law. she and her husband came to be part of our life cycle event. she went out of her way to bring joy wherever it was possible. she was the type of a kind, angelic soul that was always the
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giver, not the taker. her generosity was parallel to none. she was always at the right place at the right time in doing good. saturday she came to synagogue to honor her mother. she came there to pray a memorial service. she came there to be in the right place and the right time. she came there to live, not to die. she came to her house of prayer that was established 33 years ago to be an oasis, to be a house of worship, a house of prayer, a house where everyone feels welldom and everyone feels warm and everyone knows they are welcome with a loving hug from my wife and i. we came here 33 years ago to spread light.
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we were sent here to be able to be a lighthouse, to spread light to the world. saturday was full of darkness, full of darkness. for me to turn around and see this terrorist, this murderer, a 19 year old neighbor just right down the neighborhood standing in the lobby of our lighthouse, of our sanctuary, of our house of prayer with a rifle looking straight at me, hunting me down like i'm an animal. i look in the lobby and i see people laying on the floor. this is not right. this is not 2019. this is not supposed to be happening. we need to do something to change this. enough is enough is enough. how many more of these do we
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have to tolerate until we say it's enough? the message today is we have to take light and push away darkness. we need to recognize and realize that anti-semitism is real. it's out there and out there in the open. and we from the president all the way to us needs to take definitive actions to start preventing this and preventing it not just with armed security guards, but starting from the beginning, from education, from giving our children a chance to recognize that there is a god in the world, to recognize there is accountability to the world, to reduce deuce re-introduce a moment of silence in public schools so children can start realizing there is more to life than just physicality and materialism and there is a spiritual dimension. you don't come into synagogue
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with a rifle and trying to kill as many people as possible. this individual planned this out for two months and wrote very clearly because he hates jews. what did the jews do? we are sitting there praying, trying to be a light to nations. we want to bless the whole world. jewish people are there for the whole world. we pray for all the nations. we are all children of god. we are all created in the image of god. we have suffered enough. we should not be suffering this in the united states of america in 2019. enough is enough. >> thank you so much. obviously, a message for all of us. thank you for your leadership. thank you for your message of peace. and i'm so sorry for the suffering and for your losses. thank you. we will be right back.
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be ripped from their mothers' womb until the moment of birth. the baby is born, the mother meets with the doctor. they take care of the baby. they wrap the baby beautifully and then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby. i don't think so. >> president trump in wisconsin spreading false claims about late term abortions and accusing the democrats at a rally on saturday night in an attack against the state's democratic governor who plans to veto a bill that criminalized doctors who perform failed late term abortions. joining me now is democratic congresswoman wearing firefighters jacket to honor firefighters first responders and health care compensation fund that is rapidly running out of money.
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i don't think any of us are in favor of late term abortions. what this is about whether doctors take infants from women and then decide about executing babies that have been born. what do you know about this? >> this is absolutely outrageous rhetoric on the part of the president. it's totally false as the professionals are saying. it's inappropriate and wrong. fake news, if you will, of the worst type. this is very rare as the doctors have said. it is a tragic decision that is made between a woman and her doctor.
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and for him to politicize it is beyond belief, beyond the pale. >> and there have been cases, a lot of cases in front of the courts, there was a federal ruling i believe last thursday against a gag order which would stop doctors from canceling women who have problem pregnancies to proceed if they choose to to get abortions. >> it's a constitutional right to have choice. and the extreme right is trying to chip away in courts and legislation a woman's right to choose. it's a protective right. they are trying to really stop access to choice. there really is no choice unless you have access to choice. they keep trying to take steps that are extreme to criminalize it or whatever which is totally
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unsound medically. it's not true, false and really catering with untrue rhetoric to an extreme right group in america. >> now, i wanted to ask you about the e.r.a. we know 37 states have ratified. they need one more state. they are still one state short. they have to get that approval. >> we believe that we will get that approval, that we will get 38 states to ratify the equal rights amendment. we have this hearing on legislation that is the so-called three-state solution that says if you get 38 states to ratify, even if there was a time limit as there was on the bill that passed in 1972, that it will be ratified. i believe gnat we will ratify
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it. it will probably be challenged by the extreme right. it will probably go to the constitution and to the supreme court. equal means equal. there is a great deal of momentum building on the women's march, the me too movement, times up movement. all of these women running for office and getting elected more than ever before. we want to turn this positive energy into real accomplishments for women. nothing is more important than having constitutional guarantees and protections for women. you can't enforce equal pay for equal work unless women are guaranteed equality in the constitution. that's just very, very important. our constitutional rights should not be at the whim of who is on the supreme court or who is president or the speaker or in charge in governments on the state or federal level. equal means equal. it should be part of the constitution.
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we hope to achieve that this year. >> thank you for being with us. thanks very much. >> thank you for putting the spotlight on this important issue. >> thanks very much. america has lost one of its foremost statesman. richard lugar of indiana who made the world much safer by helping rid the former soviet republics of chemical and nuclear weapons at the end of the cold war. lugar led the lugar center here in washington served for 36 years in the senate. former senator nunn said our nation has lost an extraordinary statesman who made the world a safer and better place. writing in dick i saw someone who wasn't a republican or a democrat first but a problem solver and an example of the impact a public servant can
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we are sending many of them to sanctuary cities. thank you very much. they're not too happy about it. i'm proud to tell you that was actually my sick idea. >> president trump in wisconsin claiming it was his quote sick idea to send asylum sickers -- seekers to sanctuary cities. seekers to sanctuary cities. joining me now and editor in chief, both are msnbc contributors. welcome both. tell me about this proposal because the president now says it's actually happening. is it happening? >> he is bragging about it. there is a lot of bluster. he is trying to pit individuals
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who believe we should be protecting asylum laws against each other. he is trying to do one thing after another. it is tied up right now in court on whether or not he is treating asylum seekers is incredible. a judge ruled that this idea of preventing people from crossing the board to seek asylum that he was breaking the law so he had to reinforce it. this is just a laundry list of the president and steve miller being very clear that they don't want to uphold asylum laws and are trying to ensure that americans are -- that the natural tendencies of providing asylum seekers. and we have to remember that at the end of the day, americans created the asylum laws for the rest of the world. what we have in our southern border is equivalent to a modern day ellis island. these are individuals who are trying to seek reprieve. we are not holding up to our standard. >> it is the equivalent of under
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fdr sending ship loads of holocaust escapees, of jews trying to get away from germany and what was going on in europe, sending them back saying that they didn't want anymore jews in this country. >> that's certainly a dark part of american history. i'm reluctant to invoke the holocaust here. what is really striking to me is watching the crowd's reaction from my state of wisconsin where immigration was never a hot button issue before donald trump came along. it was a story in the "new york times" about how his tariff policies are decimating and destroying the dairy industry. i talked to dairy farmers for years who say we need immigrants. we need more people to run our farms. it is also interesting the way in which polling shows this is not a winning issue for donald trump and yet within his world
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within his base this is the ultimate applause line, but there is no evidence that the general public actually shares his animus to immigrants or asylum seekers. >> i interviewed apple growers from wisconsin here who were lobbying against the renegotiation of nafta because they are concerned about not having people to help them with their apple crops. >> this is a huge problem here. that's one of the reasons why it is surprising watching the trumpification of the wisconsin republican party, as well. if there was any group of people that ought to have understood the importance of immigration, the importance of legal immigration, why this is a good thing for the economy, why tariffs are bad for the economy, it would be wisconsin. he still may pay a price, but he is clearly playing to his base right now. this is the red meat for the base. >> thank you both so very much.
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pennsylvania. the president ramping up those attacks in a string of tweets say sleepy joe and president obama didn't do the job all while slamming the firefighter's union leadership for endorsing biden today. as the trump campaign starts pouring resources into pennsylvania, the communications director and the deputy manager of the biden campaign joins me now. kate, good to see you. >> hi. >> the president has been on fire to do going after joe biden. >> well, look, there's no question that vice president biden is somebody who knows the middle class, that's his upbringing and roots, and it's not surprising that donald trump is concerned about that connection. he's somebody who's talked about how is a job is about more than
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a paycheck, it's about your dignity and he has a vision for reclaiming the backbone of america. that's what you're going to hear from him today in pittsburgh. he's going to talk a about a vision for the middle class that's inconclusive so that, you know, this time when we rebuild the middle class, everybody gets to come along and so that's what you're going to hear from him today and that's something that he has fought for his entire life. and i think you heard the firefighters when they endorse him today talk about the fact as he's somebody who understands the middle class. i think folks across this country know that, voters know that, and i think that's why donald trump is worried. >> of course democrats lost a lot of union workers and voters in 2016. the firefighters in fact when they polled after the fact had more people supporting trump than hillary clinton. >> i think they know joe biden. joe biden is somebody who
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connects uniquely with middle class voters. she that's his roots. he knows their concerns. he knows middle class is not a number. it's a value set. it's about being able to send your kids out to the park and neighborhood and know they're going to be space, it's about being able to own your home, send your kids to college, take care of your parents, he's somebody who knows that innately and i think that's why voters react to him. >> i want to ask you about the problems that he did experience on "the view" on friday without a clear explanation or apology to anita hill. >> i was grateful she took my call. >> i think what she wants you to say is i'm sorry for the way i treated you. not for the way you were treated. i think that would be closer. >> i'm sorry the way she got treated. in terms of -- i never heard --
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if you go back and look at what i said and didn't say, i don't think i treated her badly. >> kate, can he acknowledge that in retrospect that they could have t-- cut off the hearing. all these years later, i think that's what she wants to hear. >> i think you've heard him say the most important thing here, first of all, he was grateful that she took his call, they had a genuine conversation. and, look, he was chairman of the committee and he owns responsibility for the fact that she did not get the hearing she deserved. but you also heard him talked about the what he learned about the experience. he walked off that hearing room and campaigned to put two women on the judiciary committee. he doubled down to pass the violence against women act and i think there's no question that as president, he's somebody who will continue to fight for
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equality for women and somebody who will put progressive judges on the courts to protect our rights. if you look at what you can expect from a president biden, i think there's no question that it's somebody who's going to put women's equality first. >> i know you had a fund-raising -- some fund-raising numbers in the first 24 hours, $6.3 million and 4.4 of which was online. how is fund-raising continuing and who are your goals here? >> it's going great. we are heartened by the influx of support from all across the country. we had 10,700,000 donations. we're really excited about the energy that voters are showing for biden all across the
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>> good afternoon, everyone. it's monday, april 29th, let's get smarter. >> a gunman opens fire at a california synagogue killing one and injuring three on the final day of passover. >> this is the most heart-wrenching sight i could have seen. how does a teenager have the audacity, the sickness, the hatred to publicize such anti-semitism, how does he come here to our house of worship and do what he did. >> this is domestic terrorism. let's call it what it is. >> nothing can be a worse thing to happen. and the president has condemned this type of hatred. >> had there been someone from the middle east involved with this, can you imagine the alerts that would have come out from the white house about the threats of terrorism to the united states. >> another act of
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