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administration stonewalls them. in the last 36 hours the president has responded with a big fat no in some form or another to every single request and what can democrats do? speaker nancy pelosi says it's almost the president is daring them to begin impeachment proceedings. >> trump is goading us to impeachment. that's what he is doing. every single day, like taunting, taunting. taunting. because he knows that it would be very divisive in the country but he doesn't really care. just wants to solidify his base. >> it's a fascinating political analysis there by the speaker. amid pelosi's warning to her party not to be drawn into an impeachment fight, this was happening on the senate floor almost simultaneously. >> it's not quite i wanted to take on.

but this is the fight in front of us now. this is not about politics. this is about the constitution of the united states of america. we took an oath not to try to protect donald trump. we took an oath to protect the con-- an serve the constitution of the united states of america. and the way we do that is we begin impeachment proceedings now against this president. >> warren versus pelosi. the problem for democrats is the russian story hasn't taken hold with voters nationwide, not with democrats nationwide, neither has impeachment. the president and his allies have taken advantage of that fact by escalating the investigations, in pelosi's words, almost taunting this. the gop said they are going to stand by tear president. >> stop endlessly relitigating a two-and-a-half-year-old election

result and move forward for the american people. they told everyone there had been a conspiracy between russia and the trump campaign. yet on this central question, the special counsel's finding is clear, case closed. case closed. >> the mueller report has been filed, the case is closed. we have the report. my view is it's time to move on. >> no way in the report is there a phraseology case closed anywhere, it spawned 14 other ongoing investigations. 12 of them we don't even know what they're about and they're ongoing, bottom line arc long way away from case closed. we got a lot of cases not closed. greg broward is a former u.s. attorney and also the top fbi lay ason, ruth marcus, msnpc contributor, kimberly atkins

msnbc contributor and bbur senior correspondent and bill crystal, the bulwarks editor at large. i want to start with you mr. brouwer and i want to start with some specifics today, get your legal brain out there. it was interesting to me the white house is very careful and our justice department, pete williams, made it clear, that in their denial-of-don mcdawn being able to turn over everything that congress asked them to do. mcgahn's lawyer said the white house needed to see the request. it was very clear, the white house isn't invoking executive privilege, but they want to right to decide whether to unvoke executive privilege. is that how i got it right? >> i think that's right. with respect to the documents the committee is seeking, there could be grounds for asserting executive privilege. the documents have to be reviewed for that purpose.

with mr. mcgahn testifying on capitol hill, i find there would be a legal argument over what he has said. most of what he said is contained in the special counsel's report. >> that doesn't mean it's important to here hear from mr. mcgahn, himself. i don't see how the white house will prevent him from testifying. >> let me ask you as a former prosecutor, do you read the mueller report. can you come to a conclusion that there is any part of this case that's closed? >> no, the report in my view does leave a lot of unanswered questions. i will ask you as a. noer federal prosecutor, i read the report. i read it again, i am particularly confused to some extent over the obstruction of justice issue. the particular findings and how exactly that issue was apparently handed off for decision by the special counsel

to the attorney general. i think that that issue alone deserves explanation and only by way of a hearing, including the special counsel, himself, will we get the explanation that i think congress and the american people deserve. >> it is amazing to me there are people in congress that don't want to hear from mueller and don't want to hear about this anymore. kimberly atkins, it does seem as if nancy pelosi is right. >> that the white house is basically daring the democrats and they're going to poke and they're going to delay, delay. we know what the strategy is. greg brouwer is right. i think they know they will lose this court fight, but they're going to make congressional democrats take them to court. >> that seems to be the game plan. >> then that will become the focus. >> that creates the democrats against the white house, trying to extend an investigation that has concluded and the president believes that that is going to val beganize his base behind him. his base is already unified. the latest gallop pool 91% of

republicans back this president. so they see this as a winning fight. it's a losing fight for the democrats. the more they talk about this and the less they talk about the things that had been resonating in the day and the mid-terms, healthcare, affordability of housing. wages. they think that focusing on this will be helpful. >> first of all, i think the democrats have been focusing on the wrong issue. we played christopher wrae. he was asked about the ongoing threat of foreign interference. take a listen. >> the specific form of selling divisiveness and discord through the bullhorn that social media provides you know the trolls, bots, et cetera. that was something that was fairly unique to the russians but certainly we know other countries have been eyeing those efforts and entertaining whether or not to take a page out of that book. >> later he singled out three

countries, north korea, iran and china as being three that were definitely looking into this bill, i don't understand why the democrats haven't had a series of bills based on the mueller report on tightening our campaign finance laws? it is clear. the only reason that mueller didn't file any charges is because our laws had too many ho owe it's a swiss cheese. >> i agree with that. i can't believe the democrats have talked themselves the way we won in 2018, we had affordable proposals in healthcare. their proposals weren't different. thigh won because voters want to check donald trump. if they win in 2020 it's because people want to end his term and not risk a second term. >> that doesn't mean they shouldn't do impeachment for the sake of defeating president trump. i agree with elizabeth warren. >> i was here. >> overthinking everything. >> boy, bill crystal -- >> bob mueller's report, robert

mueller's report, left congress, invited congress to take a look for itself at the obstruction of justice charges. they have an obligation to do it. they may take a look and decide there aren't ground, maybe they want to senture him and imforce him because they shouldn't on this kind of vote. that's type. but i think they look ridiculous, honestly, democrats, we're so terrified about the word impeachment, we can't even have hearings. i think elizabeth warren is right, begin the hearings. >> that give them public relations grounds, political grounds in compelling the testimony. why do you need to see don mcgahn? the mueller report is there. you don't need to hear from mcgahn, if you are thinking of impeachment. you need to hear from an important fact witness as to obstruction of justice. >> where do we stand? is pelosi making a political strategic argument about 2020 and warren, set aside maybe she is trying to stand out from the field. she is the one.

let's take her at face value. she is making a constitutional long-term argument. so that to me the democratic dilemma. >> this is the editorial writer in me. i will say they are both right. pelosi is right. politically, but she isn't saying we need, therefore, can turn a blind eye. at least that's not the way i understand her. s it is important democrats not be goaded to quickly against their political interests, but it is also simultaneously imperative that they take this insult seriously, not just the questions of the mueller report came up with and the questions that need to be asked and the additional investigation they need to do. but if secondary constitutional crisis that works is kind of unfolding in slowish motion in front of us. which is that the president and the executive branch don't seem to think that congress has any kind of an oversight role

altogether. the only question for me is whether you have to use in doing this work, whether you have to use the i word in talking about it. >> you may need the official proceedings to get the grand jury material. >> if you do, do it. if you don't, don't let him goad you. also the courts need to play their role. which is not to rule one way or the omts. they should rule the way it's appropriate for them to rule. they can't let themselves be allowed to be used to run out the clock. they need to rule quickly. >> greg brouwer, you are unique, you have been an elected official. you have been in the justice department as a political appointee, though less political. let me ask you this, of somebody who's read the mueller report. what do you want congress to do as a former prosecutor? do you think they should essentially tighten up the laws a little bit here to try to modernize things? is that the issue? is thisetter

way of dealing with the modern era of presidents that may have business dealings? what do you want to see as a former prosecutor? what would you like to see congress do here? >> i don't know that there is an institutional problem with your laws. i think the brought in the mueller report is one off, it's unique. i hope not likely to be complre the future. i think they need all of the fact so its opinion, its process with respect to potential impeachment can be fully informed. as i say, no president can have it both ways. he can't be effectively immune from prosecution because of the prevailing opinion of the doj and at the same time prevent congress from getting all of the facts about an investigation involving him, so as to inform their impeachment deliberation. bill mentioned earlier, it may

be that congress hears all those facts. they need that chance. >> do they need to explain it better? i do think when people hear impeachment. it's the immediate removal of office. really no basically it's congress convening a grand jury. >> right. look. i think that there is -- i don't think what the speaker is saying is don't hold hearings. i think congress is very aware of its oversight role. i think it has been undertaking that oversight role. we are seeing that from a number of committees. i think the process in the mueller report, itself, that's what congress is supposed to do. >> what's the point to get to bill's point, what's the point of hearing from don mcgahn if you are not hearing him for the purpose of hearing if the president broke a law. >> it's the oversight duty. we have an attorney general and the special counsel who are saying things at odds from one another. where, what is, you can go

through the courts. there will be court battles over everyday and subpoenas that will last years, probably beyond the 2020 election. what can congress do now is bring these people in front of them. put them under oath and make them speak to this. >> it is a white house counsel to testify as to private conversations with the president. >> just in. >> under what, you didn't do it. a special committee that was convened with impeachment in mind. indeed it passed with authorization to the house judiciary to consider impeachment. io enlegally i agree they can call mcgahn. i got to think in terms of explaining why they're dock it. it looks like harass p, we're not doing impeachment stuff. we're curious, did mueller get it right in the report? the house is within its rights. in that case, special counsel mueller's report is correct, correctly reporting what don

mcgahn told him. trump denies it. the white house is denying mcgahn the opportunity to speak before congress. >> they call the bluff. >> i think they r. i'm worried about going to the court. i think that gets awfully dragged out. >> they want the court fight. they want to delay. this is trump's strategy for life. delay. delay. delay. >> i a him not arguing for the court fight. i am arguing this if it is inevitable heads to urtsco. courts need to be mindful of the essentialiality of speed. courts know how to make these decisions pretty quickly and they shouldn't allow themselves to be used for delay, delay, delay. >> we shall see. thank you. i know that's some hot sun out there in hinderson. i appreciate you standing out there for a few minutes, especially at the top, nearly the top of the noon day, ruth, kimberly and bill you guys are sticking around. coming up, president trump and his party may be on the same page of moving on from the

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. now we know without a single doubt that there was no collusion by the trump campaign with russia. as i said before, the real collusion was actually with the democrats. >> welcome back. that was senator chuck grassley echoing president trump's talking points on the russia investigation. it's also the same chuck grassley sparing with the white house on tariffs over mexico and tariffs on china, grassley voiced his concerns at a white house meeting last week. five other fellow republicans at that meeting lobbied against tariffs that the trump administration is threatening to impose. the mueller report is unifying people in the white house, issues like trade and foreign

policy are threatening to tear that union apart. kelly o'donnell, covering capitol hill, covered it a on the in our day together before heading down to the other side of pennsylvania avenue. she is back there today for me. ruth, kimberly and bill are back as well, kelly, let me start with you. we have such a focus on the congressional democrats and the president, mitch mcconnell, everybody is unified around the president on that issue. but he can't get it, yet republicans on his side on a bunch of other issues, i'd argue him trying to get nafta through, new nafta and obviously the tariff issue is if republicans thought they could get away with criticizing the president in public, they'd be criticizing. >> reporter: you can look at construct grassley with iowa and farmers and the impact that he sees with his famous 99 county tour. you do see a divide there, there

are republicans that know the cost of the trade and tariff policies on this white house and are willing to push privately in those conversations to talk about it more publicly. but not setting off a lot of conflict with the white house, but trying to push the president on this. we've seen the president make the argument on the campaign trail that there are farmers who are willing to go through this pain for the ultimate payoff that the president says he can deliver by having a new nafta, the usmca as he calls it or some other agreement, which is on rocky turf right now with china trade talks. so there is some division on some of these issues. you also see it in a foreign policy era. we know secretary of state mike pompeo landed in baghdad for an unannounced trip there, talking to iraq about iran. iran is one of those issues where there are concerns among republicans about foreign policy, is there a ratcheting up of tensionles.

is there a move by the administration to we have up some of the hos estimate. not that iran is a good actor in all of this but concerns where this could go, chuck. >> you brought up the soft nature how the republicans criticize. take a listen to jonathan this morning, clearly upset about tariffs. >> i think a trade war would not help anybody. it certainly wouldn't help the farmers i represent in south dakota. i think this leverage is what the president needs to get a good deal and we need a good deal. >> joni ernst, a better quote, i love this one. i hope it's the president's way of negotiating. we seen him do this in the past. it brings people to the table. i will write it off. these are not senators that have a lot of confidence in this president. >> not a lot of confidence, but also not a lot of confidence in their ability to stand up to this president. they should both have thought

bubbles over their heads that say, don't hurt me. don't hurt me. because this is the what i this republican congress is dealing with the president. which is they will sort of tut tut. you said spar, like a lighter verb for sparing. they'll tut tut. but when have they ever stopped. >> poke. maybe it's poke. >> yeah. when have they ever stopped him from doing anything? >> and he has been doing this, these mid-western tariffs have been complaining about tariffs pretty much when he levied them. >> this is where you see trump is not the idea logical republican in the way these senators are. trumps that different views, they still feel they need to back him on these issues. sometimes, someone needs to sit him down and say when you put a tariff on china, that is paid for by u.s. companies and u.s. consumers and that hurt. the economy or at least they can say it, themselves, if he won't believe it. >> trade wars are good and easy

to win. >> education is not. >> when it comes to this idea, the senator said, he's good at bringing people to the table. did that work in north korea? at first he was praised he and kim jong-un sat down and where are we today? he's not getting it done. >> here's the problem, bill, the president is not where his staff s. pompeo and bolton are very much ready to use the war powers act in both places, if necessary. we all know donald trump isn't and i think congress is going, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are you doing? >> yeah, it's too bad congress doesn't have things like committees that can actually have formal hearings where they would have the secretary of state or secretary of defense or the u.s. trade representative to testify about this. you know, they are supposed to be a branch of government. not subordinate members. they've done nothing. the venezuela thing was astonishing. we have an administration going in one direction. then trump totally undercuts them in the putin phone call and

his comments afterwards. no one thinks, gee, maybe they should have a hearing. people are getting killed there. we might help them. what is that policy? iran in congress has vitally forgotten they have institutional powers around regard themselves as junior advisers to the president who maybe can get a minute with him. it's pathetic. >> kelly o'donnell, a year ago, i'm guessing we would have had 15 republican senators who would have come out more boldly on some of these foreign policies and trade issues. they've all be cowed. >> reporter: we thought in the yemen resolution that had a lot of other overtones with the u.s. relationship with saudi arabia. but there is a price to be paid for challenging this president and those who are in cycle and facing their own re-election or concerned about how it will be perceived at home have been

treading more lightly. you get the rand pauls of the republican universe are much more willing to go play golf with the president and tell them that he disagrees on a lot of the interventionist ideas, classic and paul. so not a risk area for him. when it comes to things like venezuela, you got, the president needs to win a second time, florida, where there is an enormous u.s. population of venezuelans. and there is concern there about how far the u.s. would go. and you might see a bolton or pompeo talking about all options on the table as a lever to try to help the u.s. preferred president juan guaido, but that has not materialized yet. so without taking any options away from the president, there is tr is trepidation here. is there a plan, there may be aagreement on principles, the doing, how do do it is where there can be real concern. >> kelly o'donnell, thank you

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judges. the people behind that super pac that are attacking me for an f. they deserve an if, because they helped conceive that strategy and they conto conceive it. >> bennett was arguing it was argued immediately. bennett is not the only democratic candidate with an f rating from the group. senator amy klobuchar got an f, though the ad does not mention her. she hasn't attacked the group as bennett has. we'll be back with senator jay inslee next. we'll be back with senator jay inslee next.

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. welcome back. the most important issues for democratic voters in the 2020 election are shaping up to be two big ones. healthcare and climate change. according to our latest wall street poll healthcare outpaced climate change, jobs among democrats as the top issue. folks, the 2020 race is the

first election with climate change front and center in the mind of democratic voters. take a look at these numbers, 39% of democrats consider climate change a top one or two issue, that is up 16 points from this time four years ago. >> that lie level has not translated into similar poll numbers. jay inslee, his entire campaign is centered around the climate change issue. the latest poll issues have inslee floating around the 1% mark. the man from washington state putting climate change front and center. governor inslee, welcome back to the show. >> thanks for having me. thank you for your coverage of this issue. >> let me get at this conundrum. on the one hand you are on the second most important issue after healthcare. i'm wondering, because everyone in the field basically agrees

with what to do. there are of differences around the margin. have you the most detailed plan. i grant you that. has it been harder for you to stand out and get voters to say, oh, he's the climate change guy? >> no, i think we are making a point in this. i was in los angeles rolling out our plan friday. i'm the only candidate to date to make it cheer we will transition off of coal and in 2030. yes. we had aaron garcetti mayor with us. he's done fantastic work. jerry brown said nice things about my plan. i appreciate it. i think there the a couple uniqueness about my position. one, i'm really the only candidate that on day one said i'm going to make this the number one job of my administration. look, this is not job one, it will not get done. you have been around the bush, chuck. you know this takes enormous political capital. i'm willing to do that. number two, i got to literally do a multi-kettle effort, formed

a u.s. climate allowance. i'm the only candidate to date to make a clear commitment of getting off coal as one of our principles, one is i don't know if we can get something done, signing the best 100% clean energy grid and the strongest energy poll season in buildings in the country. so i think it's a trifecta. i feel good about that. there is a lot of talent in the field, i'm unique in this regard. >> tell me this, you will go to west virginia and campaign on shutting down coal plants in ten years? are you going to southwest virginia and do this? are you going to parts of kentucky? i'm sure you will, to make your points. what are you go him to tell those folks? >> i'm going to listen to these folks. they are hard working americans. they and their an sesors built the industrial mite based on coal in the united states. they helped us win two world wars. they deserve a president who won't lie to them and will listen to them. they have a president who is

continually lying to them. because right now, we know that we are transitioning off coal. it's down from 48% to 28%. half to two-thirds of the coal plants have already closed. and they need to be told the truth. which is we are going to have a transition. but i want to listen to them about how they want us to structure a transition plan for those families and those communities. >> do you have an idea in. >> yes. >> do you have an idea what a transition plan would look like? give me an idea. >> just to do as we are in washington. we are closing our last coal fired plant, it's in centralia washington. we didn't shut it off lick etty split. it involves a $55 million fund to protect workers, to make sure they can retire in dignity if they are at that age, to make sure they can get a good training and education, not just

training. training is not enough. you got to have a job. so our plan helps develop small businesses to create jobs in that community and to help that community's infrastructure. it's working well. we're considering a possibility of transitioning actually to a solar plant. that's not a done deal yet. when you do provide that transition. these families and communities need this mo matter what, photographically, coal is dying because we newable fuel is now more or less a costly -- and just the other day for the first time in the american history, we produced more electricity through renewable energy and coal. this is the future. it's same to seize the future. >> we've made a big deal climate change surpassed the number two issue. but there the a number one issue. it's number one with a bullet if you will, 20 points higher than climate change, it's healthcare, it seems democrats have to make a decision when they think of you as a candidate versus somebody else. you said day one, it's climate

change. there are other candidates that say day one, it's obamacare. what do you tell the voter who says, look, i'm worried about climate change, right now this healthcare mess has to be fixed first. how do you convince that voter to go with you? >> well, listen, there are not a doctor, enough doctors and nurses on the planet earth to protect our health if we don't solve climate change. this is a healthcare issue first and foremost. you know, there is about 10,000 plus more people die of air pollution today even before this climate changes, because we're breathing just the smoke coming out of our tail pipes than die in car crashes today, lyme disease, i met a couple woes daughter had to drop out of new hampshire because of lyme disease. this is a healthcare issue. the thing about claimant clang is it's not a single issue. it is all the issues. it's healthcare, it's national security. we were already seeing claimant refugees on our southern border. it is an economic issue.

somebody asked me the other day, you know, how are you going to pay for this? i asked them, how are you going to pay for paradise, california, that burned to the ground? how are you going to pay for utilities that have gone bankrupt because of massive fires in california and floods today in iowa. this is an economic health, a national security measure and it's a measure about a can do country that needs a can do president and i'm willing to take on that job. >> let me ask you about one other issue that might put you on the wrong side of your democratic colleagues. that's the issue of trade. as somebody from a coastal state, it's not surprising to me you were among the democrats that voted for nafta back in the '90s that supported nafta. a lot of democrats that touched the pacific ocean or touched the atlantic ocean had ports of entry did. where are you on the new nafta? how would you vote on that today? and are you in step with your party on trade? or do you think you are a little out of step or vice-versa?

>> i think i'm really in step. we need trade policies that foster job growth, make sure that collective bargainings rights are protected and make sure that our environmental laws are followed. and i do not trust donald trump for two inches to actually negotiate an agree emt that could actually do that. so i've not read this. this has not been finalized. >> right. >> i would not be supportive, unless, in fact, it does protect our environmental -- >> do you believe nafta was a success or a failure? >> i have mixed results. some jobs it helped. some jobs it did not. >> would you kast the same vote? >> probably not today. because we've learned some things about the ability to protect our environmental laws from that. but i believe the first thing we need to do is to get rid of the chaos and chief of a guy who has now shut down thing a gri cultural -- agricultural economy

in the mid-west. i saw bins, farmers couldn't sell their grain, then the floods came and washed away their silos in hamburg, iowa they're getting it both ways from donald trump. we need somebody to bring a rationality to these proechlts i think i can do that. >> senator inslee, thank you. >> thank you. >>. coming up, mayor pete's new political problem. plus, what itself the deal with the president's deals? >> my best deals are deals that should be bad. and some of them i made better than if the deal would have been good straight from the start. >

. welcome back. tonight, i'm obsessed with deals. not just any deals. the best deals. >> we're going to make the best deals. >> the best deals. >> it's turned out to be a very, very good deal. >> one of the great deals ever. >> it's a good deal. it was a horrible deal. it's a good deal. >> one of the best deals i've ever seen. >> president trump self proclaimed legendary deal maker. so when it comes to deals, his book claims he's an artist. if you look at the trump presidency so far, it's clear the record speaks for itself. >> i went through congress. i made a deal. i got almost 1.4 billion. when i wasn't supposed to get one dollar, not one dollar. >> no deal on the president's border wall. but he did shut down the

government. ten declared a national emergency. >> we are going to have a plan that's so much better than obamacare. >> no deal on healthcare reform with democrats or republicans. >> we have a big team of people very talented people over in china right now negotiating on the coin deal. >> no deal on trade with china. but the president is threatening to raise tariffs. >> the easiest thing is infrastructure. they want it. i want it. i spoke to nancy pelosi about it the other day. with eagree on it. >> reporter: there is a tentative $2 trillion infrastructure deal with no specifics. or agreement on how to fund it. but here's why the president can't get a deal done on pretty much anything. because it requires actual deal making. it requires actual horse trading. it requires actual compromise. it requires both sides giving something up. president trump wants everything

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welcome back. time for "the lid." i want to start with the biggest problem, connecting with the primary voting group. black voters. my colleague craig melvin sat down with buttigieg to discuss just that. >> how do you plan to speak to african-american voters specifically? >> well, part of it is by laying out an agenda on the issues that black voters are asking me about most often. home ownership, entrepreneurship, education, criminal justice reform. a lot of is it about a relationship. it takes lot of work to make sure people get to know you.

>> ruth, kimberly, bill. you guys are back. he went to orangeburg, home town of our friend, eugene robinson. in a county with a very large african-american population, not that many showed up. he is not yet resonating. there's an elephant in the room that i want to ask about. is it the same-sex issue? is this a roadblock? it may be. that one may be one factor, particularly with older voters of i think it is a bigger issue, he's behind. there are other voters who have been out doing the work. kamala harris has been out seeking out black voters. even when she's in places like new hampshire and iowa. making sure that is a point. elizabeth warren has been winning over black folks in the states where she's going. >> i thought she did more than any other candidate so far of

not just playing lip service. >> she's setting out policy that's address these issues. you have someone like joe biden who comes from the obama administration. particularly with those older voters. he has a strong showing. >> we've seen this before. gary hart, the insurgent, ivy league favorite. gets crushed when african-american voters stick with walter mondale. we saw with it bill clinton and paul songas. we saw to it a lesser extent, bill bradley and al gore, with bernie sanders and hillary clinton. the elite candidate does struggle. >> i think he did a good job saying, i need on address that and introduce myself. he didn't pretend it didn't exist. i am very interested in that elephant as well.

whether that is an extra weight he will have with a conservative, a socially conservative group of voters. it is hard to talk about. especially in these times. i want to say, every time for me, mayor pete introduces his husband, i feel a essential of joy at where we've come. but i'm not sure that the whole country is, mass degree of, i don't want to present myself as that, but the country is still coming to grips with the reality of same-sex marriage. >> you look at the polling of the this is not a political by party. it is a split by age. it has always been more of a split by age. >> i haven't looked at this. i think it is more a split by age than race. i'm not so convinced that african-americans are that much more conservative on same-sex marriage than white voters. they were supposed to be -- >> african-americans are more

religious. >> in 2016 they were supposed to be very resistant to a woman but hillary clinton won against a man. if he does well, the medley of economic issues and other issues. >> i don't think any of us thought in may, we would be saying, can pete win? >> that's impressive. it feels like we have two tests. one is iowa and the other is south carolina. i think new hampshire will be will have get lost in the shuffle. >> i think new hampshire is the boston reporter here. i think the demographic of the broader democratic party is sort of outgrowing new hampshire.

that's one reason, especially the season with california being moved up. i think the dynamic there's shift dramatically. it is one reason we've seen them in carolina. >> i'm going to stick with new hampshire and say one thing that's interesting is allowing independents to be able to vote. there's almost too much. it is still a different test. >> you'd better be the top three if you want to be it. i can make a case that it will change this 84. >> i think iowa. i am less convinced new hampshire is relevant. i think you can't avoid iowa. you can't think, i will upgrade my campaign in iowa. >> months later.

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