nce. the #1 prescribed fda-approved oral combination treatment for hr+/her2- mbc. thank you so much to all of our guests, just roll with the punches when news breaks like that. thank you for watching with us. you are in for a treat, mtp daily with my colleague chuck todd picks up all that breaking news. >> i don't think we will have room for advertisers these days. good evening, i'm chuck todd, as nicole said we are breaking two news stories, somewhat related, somewhat different. moments ago the house judiciary committee voted to keep bill barr in contempt for redacting the full mueller report and the underlying every day. >> that means this will go to the full house for a vote. the timing is unclear.

we will set that aside. we heard from chairman jerry nadler, who spoke after his committee's vote saying that we are now in a full blown constitutional crisis. >> we talked for a long time about approaching a constitutional crisis. we are now in it. we are now in a constitutional crisis. >> this brawl involving democrats and the attorney general is sturning into a bit of a proxy fight over whether democrats should impeach the president. we'll have more on that in a moment. but here's the head scratcher of the day. we'll turn to the other big story breaking literally at this hour. a source says donald trump, jr., has been suspended by the republican-led senate intelligence committee. this committee is seeking answers to testimony he gave congress, not the intel committee per se, claiming he had limited knowledge of that infamous trump tower moscow project. its testimony which may con flict with what special counsel

bob mueller found in his report. so to help us digest all of this news, glen churchner, a legal analyst and den p ken delaney msnbc national reporter, our panel, abby livingston, washington tribune and ron fornier, the atlantic. now, a pr guy if detroit, matthew continetti and doug kornell former adviser to the dnc. ken, let me get to this breaking news first, here on a day when the white house essentially wanted to create its fight with congress and turn it into a partisan brawl between those house democrats and the white house and the attorney general, in comes richard burr, with a subpoena of donald trump, jr., why did they not invite him to come voluntarily first?

>> reporter: they did, chuck. our understanding is they were in something of a standoff. donald trump, jr., had been resisting coming back. he testified before the senate intelligence and senate judiciary. let's recall the mueller report suggests special counsel considering charging donald trump jr. with campaign finance violations, ultimately the counsel decided they couldn't do that. the criminal k reliable would make it reluctant to go back under oath to any inquiry. he appear, not willing to do that. the real issue is what he said of his only in of the trump tower moscow project. he said under oath he was peripherally aware of that project. later in television interviews, he replicated that and said this was michael cohen's deal, serving a federal prison sentence. cohen testified he briefed donald trump and his sister

approximately ten times about the deal. >> i want to get into this. the q&a. donald trump, jr. cave this testimony not to senate intel but the senate judiciary committee which is right now chaired by lindsey graham and the q&a is here. did you have any involvement in this potential deal in moscow? like i said, i was peripherally aware of it

. they are preparing a series of reports. they can go beyond the criminal questio question. they request ask why they were unpatriotic. burr, my sources tell me that once after trump fired comey, he lost burr in a sense. burr had a lot of respect for comey, burr wars fought thrilled with that decision. he has a balancing act. he gets flack on the right. he has been conducting a quiet but deliberate and bipartisan investigation. my guess is that that's why he is pursuing this and the senate

judiciary is not. >> glen kirshner, if donald trump, jr., been your client, how would you feel? >> first of all, i have never been a defense attorney in my life, i would be reluctant to start with donald trump, jr. i have to tell you, this conjures up two questions, one we heard president trump say i will honor zero subpoenas. does that extend to the subpoena that's now been issued to his son? that will be an interesting question for him to wrestle with. it will say something about him and whether he is flat out obstructing congressional inq4ries or senate inquiries on all the fronts. two, i think it's a real danger zone for don, jr. he will get questioned from both sides of the aisle. i'll tell you after hearing what micha michaelcoch had to say, i think don, jr. has some real exposure here. it wouldn't shock me if he

invoked his fifth amendment right if he does comply with the subpoena. >> if i take your point here, you have never been a defense attorney. but if junior says, let's say he decided not to take the fifth. he says, you know, i said peripherally. look, i was briefed a lot. but i still never did much on it. you may say that's not peripherally. i thought it was. is that enough to get him out of a charge? >> it may be peripherally is one of those wiggle room words and kind of like attorney general barr trying to figure out what suggested means. if i were his lawyer, i would probably recommend that he, one, comply with the subpoena, it's lawfully issued and two, invoke his right against self-incrimination. >> timing is everything in american politics, matthew, continetti. i saw you shaking your head. if you are the trump white house, lefrts forget the legal

argument. you are spining a witch hunt and lo and behold one comes from a republican. >> one can walk and chew gum you can say it's a democratic party wimp hunt as you are perplexed at what is going on the with senator burr and his intelligence committee. >> you can, but it's difficult. >> maybe. i don't think it will be that difficult. this story is breaking. we don't know the details. i don't think we've heard from trump or his lawyer. there is much more to learn until we speculate or what might happen as a result of the subpoena. >> it sets the white house up with what kirchner says, this issue, you basically said, we're dodge, case closed. mueller report, case closed. but if you comply, if you have junior comply with the senate republicans, then it looks like you are only complying to your party. >> absolutely. the case isn't closed. republicans invested a lot of time in trying to undermine it. you had the majority leader go

on the floor yesterday. i think don, jr. is in a pickle. it's harder to make a case this is partisan. if he does comply, you have mueller, a number of other people on the house who aren't complying, not that mueller is not complying, you got people, the white house trying to argue that they don't want these folks to testify in the house. it looks bad. look, i think this is a major development in this case. you do finally have a senate republican standing up in pushing this. >> you know, abby and ron, before the junior's subpoena today, our conversation, are democrats rushing to contempt? are they trying? all of a sudden now, it's like that is the junior, the junior news sort of at least is the a co-equal headline to the contempt. you can write off one thing as a partisan deal, it's harder to

write off the junior partisan deal. >> one thing as a reporter is to cover congress. the yolo factor we are seeing play out right now. on top of that i had conversations with democrats in house leadership today. and the visceral concern about congress losing its ability of oversight on the executive branch is palpable on the he ill. >> john kennedy, republican from louisiana in my show said that is his biggest fear is that the courts may rule, it doesn't matter which way. the court's ruling is only going to make everybody dig in. it will make it worse, not better. >> which is why i think this is the biggest constitutional crisis we had, bigger than lewinsky, bigger than watergate. >> i like the water gate. >> i'm just old enough to remember watergate. ten years. here's why. because we haven't had a time where the party under attack is this dug in and behind the president and almost lullingly

like following the president. this will be challenged. >> talking about burr subpoenaing the president's son, how is that like inline? >> he's one lone voice in a party that falls behind the president. let me talk about it, he's retiring, we have the yellow jacket going, all these force. they are norms, traditions that have not been touched at all, it's been many decades, now they're going to the supreme court d. supreme court could rule in a way congress no longer has the kind of co-equal power. what senator kennedy is worried about, the republicans may rule the day when they challenge us and let the congressional congress have their powers limited. some day there may be -- >> do you think this is real among the senate? >> sure. >> this happened in 2011 wi withholder.

-- with smz hoholder. now -- with holder. now it's a constitutional crisis with 1.5% of the mueller report that is still redacted and the underlying everyday. that's the constitutional crisis? >> donald trump, jr. is not a member of the executive branch. i think we shouldn't rush -- >> i wouldn't complain. i think it does sort of it drowns out i think what would have been a different story today. >> it complicates it. certainly. certainly. >> doug, i was going to say, to get to matthew's point here. you know, there was eight months that went from subpoena to contempt of eric holder, are democrats, it did seem as if they wanted to get to this contempt moment, rather than allowing to see, how often, could they get to any sort of negotiated piece? >> he's given bill barr every opportunity to comply. >> it's been weeks, fought months, in fairness. >> fine. at the same time he gave him every opportunity. he set him up during hearing.

they may not allow mueller to testify. so, look, i think democrats did the right thing today. ultimately, the next step has to be mueller testifying. that's important. >> why did it take holder several months, he turned over 700 documents. >> that hasn't happened in this case. >> i got to where i in a senator with us, chris coons. senator coons, welcome to the program. i know i had you on. i booked you for other reasons. but i'm curious, now that you've seen the senate intel committee has suspended donald trump, jr. essentially, it looks like for testimony not that he gave the intel committee but questions over testimony he gave to the judiciary committee. would you like to see your chairman add a subpoena for donald trump, jr. back in front of your committee? >> absolutely, chuck. i think one of the things that is at risk here at stake here is the reputation of congress for its ability and willingness to conduct meaningful i don't have

sight. we had in front of the senate judiciary committee a number of witnesses, including donald trump, jr. i, of course, don't know, specifically, what this subpoena from the senate intelligence committee is about. this has just broken in the press when i think the last hour or two. but as you're suggesting in your question, chuck, it's entirely possible that it was the judiciary committee questioning of donald trump, jr. and the difference that was revealed in the mueller report transcript that led to this subpoena. it's entirely possible that there were other aspects of the trump tower meeting or of the trump tower project in moscow that led to this subpoena. i'll close, chuck, by saying one of the things i find encouraging about this is that it's a reminder in the senate, in our intelligence committee, there continues to be real bipartisanship in the pursuit of ultimately the truth in some of these important matters that were raised but have not yet

been resolved. >> do you think the house was correct, the house judiciary committee was correct to hold the attorney general in contempt or is it too soon? >> you know, look, i'm not on the house judiciary xrt. the press accounts i've heard suggest they've tried and tried again with the attorney general. i have the attorney general in front of me on the senate judiciary committee recently. i, frankly, thought the tone and content of his testimony to us suggested that he sees himself not as the people's attorney, not as someone representing the people of the united states and task, charged with defending the constitution and rule of law, but as president trump's personal defense attorney. that's the tone and flavor of a number of his important word choices and his conduct in the hearing. that was my personal experience. i don't know what the how judiciary committee did in order to extend themselves repeatedly. my strong impression is they

reached the conclusion after a number of attempts thwarted by the attorney general and ultimately by the president. >> where are you on the question of impeachment? you've got some of your colleagues, elizabeth warren says, it must start now. gnomes gnomes says, keep investigating, not yet. though, she seems today indicate he might want to self impeach. i'm debate that with the panel. where are you on this? >> i think we should listen to the speaker of the how was it is the house of representatives from which articles of impeachment have to come. i will tell you there are not the votes in the senate to remove the president from office. he has strong and loyal supports in the republican majority here in the senate. absent some bombshell revelation that we did not receive in the mueller report, i think the odds of his removal through an impeachment process are close to zero. >> i'm curious. why should that be the factor? why should -- if you believe the

process, if this is all about the constitution, how do you know what the outcome is going to be? we think we know what the outcome will be. how do we know? should that be the decider, you don't bring something to trial, well, we know what the outcome is, that's not how the rule of law is supposed to work. >> that's right, chuck, if this were a garden variety criminal case where we didn't know the jury and we didn't know how they would respond to the charges and the evidence, it would be inappropriate to prejudge it and say let's not even bring the case. but in this instance, we know the jury. we know the jury very well. we know the public and private statements and actions on anything that would challenge president trump's view of things. the other issue here is we have limited time. we're not a jury. we're the senate of the united states. in the impeachment process we act as a jury. my concern is if we take up the

entire next year-and-a-half in what would be very contentious and grinding impeachment proceedings, we would not be legislating to answer the issues that the americans want us to solve. that's what they will judge us on in the 2020 elections. we have to be mindful of both roles that we are charged with here in congress. >> so you are making more of a political argument about this than necessarily a legal argument? >> that correct. it is a political process. the constitution entrusts to the congress the potential impeachment and removal of the president, it is sort of a quasi-process. it is a political process because we are all elected officials. and, frankly, the fact that we are not serving solely as a jury. we are also serving as a senate and a house, and we have a limited time and resources, is what leads me to say the report is public. we should continue investigations. we should make sure the american people know about the misdeeds of the president and his top advisers.

but we frankly should try and legislate to solve the problems the americans face. >> it also sounds like you three in 2020 the jury ought to be the voter? >> that's right. that's exactly right. >> let me ask you a question before i let you go, i know you have been focused on the iran deal at its conception, where it is now. some european countries are thinking of putting sanctions back considering the move iiran announced yesterday. do you think the european signers of this are making the right call? >> i think it's important we re-engage with our vital allies on this issue. it was only because of the coordinated pressure of our core allies around the world that we were able to get iran to the deal, excuse me, to the bargaining table and get them to give up searching comprehensive inspections of their entire nuclear enrichment and weapons program. soive think we should be acting

in concert with france and the uk. i think that would be the right thing for us to do. >> does that mean you think we have already put sanctions back. should they now? >> yes. i think that is the right thing for us to do. as iran takes steps in that direction, we should do wit our european allies. >> democratic senator chris coons. i know it has been busy today. thank you for talking about both of those breaking stories plus iran. much appreciated. >> let me bring my experts back here. you have to play the non-washington people since you live in michigan. you practically live and breathe in texas. how is this playing iran? how well? you heard chris tune in, he's making a political argument. he's saying, we all know what i think congressional democrats want to do. but they care about 2020, it seems to me more than they do about their constitutional responsibility. >>ant a third of the people i know in michigan think the

president is a vial human being. about a third of the people in michigan think the democrats are vial for going after the president. a third of the people i know don't give a rats. they are so fed up the politics. they have so afraid of how they will hang on to their job, get healthcare and get their kids through college and in half the desend way they had. just for a lot of people, this is a part of the same old circus. the same reason they voted for people like barack obama and president trump and bill clinton before that. >> i was there on the friday night it was announced the mueller's report was headed to the doj. everyone's hair was on fire. i think he took dozens of questions between that day and the next day. i don't think a single one from an audience member pertained to mueller. so that was very instructive to me. what i can say is the view from here among some house democrats is that the elicit warren

rhetoric on impeachment. that's helpful. it's a release valve that maybe takes some of the pressure off the house and focuses impeachment there. >> matthew, does the white house want this or not? it looks like they wouldn't mind if the house tried to impeach? >> impeachment fight? >> or the fight over the idea? >> i don't think anyone would want an impeachment fight because of all the unpredictable consequences that ensue and all the time it takes. as for coons said, it takes a lot of time not only from the legislature, but also from the administration. the administration is preparing plans on immigration, on middle east. >> bill clinton, exactly. whatever you think. >> on the other hand, though, there are definitely going to be a political upside to the trump upside administration if the democrats go full impeachment as opposed to this half, half impeachment they're doing now with the nadler proceedings. >> where are you on this? >> well, i am where they need to

get mueller to testify in front of a camera. because i think what we've seen in the last six or seven weeks. the three most invisible figures have been donald trump, who is donald trump. michael cohen, who is damaged goods and now bill barr, who is the lap dog of the president. there hasn't been a trusted figure who has testified about this report. i think that would help democrats a lot. i think then they could bring the contempt vote to the full floor of barr. and then they need to make the public instill pain on that let's bring up some legislation that hurts them on that, tieing them, hurting them on national security and election security. the d triple c, where are those bills? i don't understand with where they are. >> the the triple c put out a report today, it was hilarious, it was written in russian and hit the nrcc chairman for not signing a pledge not to use stolen tooers from russia. >> where is the legislation?

>> d triple c pledge. where is the legislation? >> it's coming. >> from what i've seen. >> from what i got from sources in the majority, it is coming. they want to build this case that connects a lot of this stuff back to the american people. >> i want to go back to ken delaney. i think you are still there. i believe so it looks like we're getting the first responses from donald trump, jr., he plans to fight this subpoena. i think some say it's a pr stunt. what more can you tell us here? >> reporter: i don't have that, given he declined voluntarily. the first thing is to fight it. if you are determined not to testify. go and assert your fifth amendment privilege. i have been getting text from sources who pointed out it isn't just the trump tower moscow deal they want to ask him about. there is a contradiction about

what he testified, who he told about that trump tower new york meeting about whether the russians came and promised dirt on hillary clinton, whether he informed other members of the campaign, what that meeting was about. he gave one account where he says he didn't tell people about. the mueller report suggests rick gates and michael cohen told a different story saying they remember him brigg up that he has a line on negative information on hillary clinton. obviously, none of this was enough of robert mueller to bring perjury charges against donald trump, jr. the idea he would have to go up again when is contradicts this dramatically, i don't think any good lawyer would stand for that. >> why do you think mueller brought charges against junior? >> let's remember he referred out 14 investigation and cases for further investigation and we don't yet know who the subjects or targets of those 14 matters are. you know, i assume, because when you read the mandate in his

appointment letter, he didn't feel like he needed to bring charges against junior in order to further the trump campaign-russia investigation, which really was the mandate. his mandate was never bring charges for everybody for whom you find enough evidence to charge. it was bring charges strategically to further your mandate of investigating the trump campaign-russia connection. so i don't know that don, jr. will never see the inside of a courtroom. but that's why i think mueller opted not to charge him. >> let me ask you this as a u.s. attorney after reading all the decklanations, it did it tell you that the law wasn't broken or did it tell you our laws need to be updated for modern political warfare? >> you know, it told me even in mueller found a deficiency with respect to the evidence supporting one element of the crime of conspiracy, there was

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finance or the joint committee on taxation. for any quote specific and legitimate legislative purpose '. you can decide whether this is a legislative purpose down the road. the bill have to be approved, governor andrew cuomo said he will sign it. what, i want to go to this. what kind of look is it that you have a, the state of new york is targeting one person. >> i think that is what happens when this city, the president's home state is represented by democrats. we see that on so many levels. so i think it's a hazard of not fitting in your home state. >> bill clinton figured out when governors got power in arkansas. >> i don't think it's a big look. i think a party fashioning along, going after one man that looks partisan, you know why?

it is partisan. that's the part, it does feel like, democrats like to decry when republicans make tactical moves like this. that's what this is. this is nothing more than a tactical political move. >> a tactical move. look, i think in this situation we're in, democrats know we have to use everything in our toolbox, because republicans are doing the same. it is tactical, political. at some point, the reality. >> we know this stuff. you know what i mean. you are probably right. i'm being honest. >> you are right. i think you are, you have been. >> when did this stop? >> when did this stop? i don't know if it ever will. look. the president can just release his returns. i don't think his base would care if it's as bad as we think, right, matthew? >> probably not. i mean it's now become a matter of principles. right? he doesn't want to release them. >> there is also the story of

the incredible power of the new york state attorney general. >> oh my. >> in particular. it's hard to do this in other states. this is a legislative process happening. the state ag has made it her business to fight trump to be a leader of the resistance, she is going after the nra. you see if they have so inclined to criminalize politics in this way. >> i would say that republicans used attorney generals across the country very effectively. >> they're doing it now. >> undermining democratic governors and stuff like that. >> undermine the affordable care act. which you know on the grand scheme of things, i think it's much more important we protect people with pre-existing conditions and give them coverage. so, look, we're seeing both parties trying to use everything, every quiver, every arrow in their quiver right now. i'm sure on twitter, oh, there goes chuck with his bodies

sideer-isms here. i'm sitting here. this feels. we know this tit for tat is how donald trump became president. >> i'm not making a false equivalency. >> we tell our kids two wrongs don't make a right, spying is spying. >> i would add this is exhausting. it drives people away from the system. i think voters out in the country but also people in washington, there is an absolute exhaustion with this. >> because of the president, himself, though. this is another thing i go back to whether the public cares. i'll go to bill clinton. for me when i see you, i think bill clinton, your old governor. the country knew donald trump was an combexaggerator, it's bi dibs. does any of the stuff matter? >> it does matter when the president lies, with bill clinton. >> will it pla itself to his voters? >> to us it should matter. to his voters, no, it was baked

in, just like bill clinton his personal issues were baked into the cake. >> i think it matters to voters. i think it matters to voters in 2018. ron's point is correct to his base it doesn't matter, to urban voters, independents up for grabs, the fact a president lied 8,000 times, not turning over his tax returns, he is doing everything against customary of a president. yeah, that turns off people. >> matthew, ten and 15 years removed from bill clinton. have you democrats wishing they didn't get as close to him as they did, how many republicans today are going to think, boy, why did i get so close on some of these things? >> oh, i mean, it's hard for me to say. so much depends, the democratic party shifted left after bill clinton. bill clinton's wife became a senator, a secretary of state and twice presidential candidate. so that kept him, the family in the limelight. i don't know if other trumps will run. maybe they will.

i don't know in donald trump, jr. will run, we'll see. i will say we see trump's approval rating is rising. it's on the higher end. a lot of that is attributed i think to a change in the attitude of independent voters to the economy. last year they were not very positive towards the trump economy. they are becoming more positive. that's making his approval trend upward. there is a danger there, these investigations will seen as overreach on the part of independents that will help trump politically. >> how about the economy in michigan? >> by all the numbers in doing well. >> perception. >> if you live in michigan, macomb county michigan and your father and grandfather had a boat and a defined penguins have you none of those things. if you live in macomb county michigan and you were the first of your jen raics to go to college. now you don't think you can send your kid to college or if you can they will come out with huge debt, the economy isn't doing so well, but it wasn't doing so

well under barack obama. >> texas, it has been humming for a while in texas. >> i think in texas it comes back to trump and his influence. there are a number of republicans extremely worried about suburban women. boy, if texas moves in that direction, it's a new era in america. >> from what i seen in focus groups what people are concerned about is the chaos, on both side, primarily among the president and how he is conducting himself. they also don't believe, while they think the economy is doing well. they're not entirely sure it's really benefiting them. case in point it's the tax bill. that's oftentimes comes up as a big give away to the wealthy and corporations. that's why i think trump is fighting hard on the trade peace. he keeps pushing on his wall. he has to protect a group of voters he's made a pledge to. there is a lot of chaos out there people don't like. >> how about the air flight in michigan? >> i was talking to a couple republicans the other day,

they'r scared to death. it's affecting farmers. >> where does this hit with the china deal? >> well, it's hard to say. i think the striking thing ability the china goings now is that trump is actually operating from a base of bipartisan support. >> on this one he is. >> the warren comments and chuck schumer comments, they want us to be tough. >> that helps trump. >> all right. guys. abby, doug, thank you, coming up i will talk to a 2020 candidate on breaking news on the house judiciary committee and how they voted to hold the attorney general in contempt. this candidate has a new way of appointing attorney generals. we'll be right back. of appointing attorney generals we'll be right back.

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welcome back. there are 18 presidential until nations. joining me now democratic presidential candidate john hickenlooper. what brings you to washington?v. talk about the future of the climate change in this country and this globe. >> i'll get to a bunch of issues. let me start with the news of the week, if you will. this democrats thinking about holding the attorney general in contempt. this will now, if he is, let's say this democratic congress does it two administrations in a row. where they're held in contempt. whatever you believe the merits of the case, this is creating this idea that the entire justice department has been politicized no matter what. each party is doing this. i know you're rolling out some reform plans on this. how would you depoliticize this?

>> we're looking at taking attorney general, who really shouldn't be an at will political appointee of the president, and defending the president. the president as a general counsel can do that the attorney general is defending the rule of law and therefore the american people so our approach is to say, he has to be approved by 60. >> still the presidential appointment. only 60. cannot be removed without cause. and if he is moved, he has to be replaced by someone who gets 60 votes. an acting or an assistant to be replaced as an attorney general. he would have someone who had been approved by the senate. >> this feels like it is a cross between a little of how the fed works, the fed chair, and a little how the fbi works this

notion that the president should have someone so influential in protecting the rule by law really doesn't make any sense. we could go further. as they do with judges, perhaps. going through, the u.s. attorney in every state. maybe they shouldn't be at will employees either. >> do you think the appetite is there for this? it does feel as though, it may be up there for main stream america, there is no appetite on capitol hill. >> i think when they say, this guy is defending the law of the land and us people all across america. i think they'll put a lot of pressure on the hill. >> you've said you're running to save capitalism. is it as far as in the democratic party? or do you mean save capitalism because it needs a lot of help? a lot of help. if you look at 1946 to 1980,

almost every person in america doubled their income. since then, 50% haven't seen any increase at all. how do we help entrepreneurs start more businesses? how do we make sure that there is a real ability for someone from the middle class or from the working class, the working poor torsion get a hold of that ladder of opportunity. if they work hard, they should be able to pull themselves up and create their own dreams. >> let me put up the figures. 3% unemployment. another 260,000 jobs created. wage growth. 3.2%. consumer confidence. what's wrong the trump economy? >> well, first, go down the list. just because we're having record stock prices does not mean the country is better off. >> we've had wage growth. even in rural america, you're seeing more jobs. >> i'm spending a lot of time, i'm in iowa, new hampshire.

you go talk to iowans about what they see or in the rural parts of new hampshire. whether they're seeing wage growth. it's not happening. you're seeing in it certain industries but you are not seeing a resilience, or a sudden growth of the movie class. >> yeah, the numbers look great but. it's easier to sell an economic reform in tough times. >> i agree. you gave 1.5 trillion tax cut. it makes the point of persuasion a little more difficult. if you're a soybean farm he in iowa, you need eight consecutive good years to get back to where you were two years ago. there are an awful lot of people who were promise ad bill of goods and they haven't gotten it. >> a colorado vote here has been voting for you, what should they do? >> michael is but not of my favorite people. one of my oldest friends.

>> you're trying to be in the pragmatic wing of the party. >> you have some different things. you're more alike than you're different. that's true. we've had very different lives. his experience is, he was a lawyer, super smart. super talented. super committed. he's been mostly in washington. he spent a few years in private equity. i was a scientist and i worked professionally as geologist. i opened a brew pub long before anybody knew what they were. first brewer since sam adams in 1791 to get elected to governor. i was top five big city manager. one of the top governors in america. i've been operational of the i've been bringing people together, getting things done. creating progress. if you look at all the

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