hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in washington d.c. where today, donald trump ext d extended the total and complete exoneration myth to cover his son who's been subpoenaed by the committee investigating the trump campaign's contact with russia. contacts that robert mueller found numbered into 140. the republican led senate intelligence committee has subpoenaed donald trump jr. to answer questions about his previous testimony before senate investigators in relation to the russia investigation. the "new york times" adding, quote, the committee is particularly interested in -- as well as his role in his father's effort to build a sky scraper in moscow and comparing the testimony to his previous answers to senate investigators in 2017. it sounds like there's reason to

suspect that lying may be a genetic condition. trump senior weighed in on his son's subpoena this afternoon. >> the mueller report came out. that's the bible. the mueller report came out and they said he did nothing wrong. my son was totally exonerated by mueller. who frankly, does not like donald trump, me, this donald trump. and frankly, for my son, after being exonerated to now get a subpoena to go again and speak again after close to 20 hours of telling everybody that would listen about a nothing meeting, yeah, i'm pretty surprised. >> the bible that we're willing to take the country to the bring of a constitutional show down to keep secret. all of this contributing to a standoff between the trump administration and congress. and leading house speaker nancy

pelosi, the highest ranking impeachment skeptic to agree with her colleagues that we are indeed in a constitutional crisis. that's where we start today. on set, sam stein, jonathan swan. paul butler and ron klain. jonathan let me start with you, it was your great reporting about the subpoena. what are they looking for? the subpoena? >> what's the committee looking for? the "new york times" has it right. they're trying to square his previous testimony with what michael cohen said, which was that donald trump jr.'s knowledge of the development was more extensive than he said it was. he also made public statements where he said we basically didn't know about this project. so they're trying to square that. this subpoena was issued about three weeks ago, is my understanding, and there's been

some toing and froing between the two of them. and now donald trump jr.'s allies are beak building a campaign against richard burr. we've seen quite a few republican lawmakers come out firing shots at him. so this is a civil war inside the republican party in the last 24 hours. >> i wasn't going to start this. i was going to do the fact check. let me put up what you're talking about. this is the statement from donald trump jr. -- or a source close to him. don is a private citizen who's already been cleared by mueller after a two year investigation. no lawyer would ever agree to allow their client to participate in what is an obvious pr stunt from a so-called republican senator. richard burr is sort of -- one of the sort of republican models of being a republican senator in the time of trump where he's viewed as doing his job but takes great pains to not end up

at odds with the president. >> no one has heard of him in the country -- >> rights. >> grab a normal person on the street i guarantee they haven't heard of richard burr. he is going to be basically, in three weeks time, in the minds of fox news viewers a member of antifa. >> i'm a so-called republican. >> i'm saying, some of the shots fired at him at the moment. his life is going to be similar to jeff cobob corker and jeff f life. he's not going to run for reelection. you watch how nasty it's going to get. >> richard burr makes an appearance in the mueller report as the leaker of the fbi russia investigation to don mcghan and the white house counsel's office. so he's going to end up a man on an island. >> he is going to end up a man on the island. and that's the trump play,

isolate these people, make it his way or the highway. but if donald trump thinks the mueller report is a bible and it exonerates his son. he's read it as clearly as the old and new testament, not at all. the mueller report details don junior's interactions with the russias, the people at wikileaks who clearly violated federal law. and i think mueller's decision not to indict don junior for campaign finance violations is a dubious one. that report definitely does not exonerate don junior. >> this is from the actual mueller report. this is what mueller's bible, as the president called it, says about donald trump jr. trump junior declined to be voluntarily interviewed by the office of the special counsel. and on the facts here, government would unlike will be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the june

9th meeting participants, that was the trump tower meeting, had general knowledge their conduct was unlawful. so this is the idiot defense, because they didn't understand the laws, they couldn't have been breaking them. that's a really long distance, many time zones away from complete and total exoneration. >> absolutely. don junior has explaining to do about the truthfulness of his testimony. but i doubt the senate will hear that testimony -- >> really? >> yeah. he can't claim executive privilege like his dad but he can take the fifth precisely because mueller thought long and hard to charge don junior with a crime he has some exposure. so the only way the senate could make him talk is if they give him immunity. >> if you don't show up --

>> the question is, whos awe in 2020, 2024. there's still the threat of prosecution. he has legitimate criminal vulnerability. so i don't think the senate is ever going to hear from him. unless they decide it's so important they want to immunize him. >> what could be so important? >> national security. we don't know whether or how -- even if he's given immunity, that's a different question. >> the explanation, there's some testimony he gave in the past about the trump tower deal that doesn't fit with what michael cohen said. >> right. >> they're asking him to come in, hoping to do it voluntarily, and he refuses to do it. he could come in and plead the fifth. but this fits with what the pattern of the trump administration has been for weeks now, which is fight everything 100% to the end. i'm not sure how strategically

wise it is. >> i'm not sure how strategic it is. >> i know everyone is talking they're going to push it to the side. the act of covering it up, fighting the subpoenas, puts a spotlight on the act itself. >> let me put up while you're talking what the testimony in question is. this is don junior's testimony. what did don junior know about this, he testified, i was peripherally aware of it. you mentioned this was at odds with michael cohen's testimony. cohen testified there were approximately ten briefings to donald trump jr. and ivanka trump. the other item they want to ask him about, did donald trump jr. tell his father about the trump tower meeting moscow meeting. don junior's testimony, no, i did not. from the mueller report, michael cohen recalled being in donald

trump's office when trump junior told his father about the meeting that took place in manhattan. one of many lies told. >> so don junior is not known for sticking to the facts. i think that's well, established to this point. to me the bigger story is senate republicans have basically been presented a choice. richard burr, a colleague of theirs has signed off on the subpoena. he wants to get to the facts of the situation. will they respect the committee process and the senate intelligence committee process, which is a revered committee as everyone knows or wheare they gg to go along to the trump organization? so far they've all sided with trump. thom tillis, richard burr's colleague in the senate came out today and said we need to get over this.

that's a huge slap in the face to the senior republican from your state. it shows there's very little respect in congress itself. >> mitch mcconnell defended richard burr in a closed door meeting today. "new york times," in a close doors gop lunch burr walked through the back story of the subpoena for don junior and defended his investigation's work per people directly family. and mitch mcconnell spoke up, the people said, standing up for richard burr and his handling of the situation. >> it's a broader picture of what's going on between the trump white house and congress. speaker pelosi today called it a constituti constitutional crisis. i think it's a congressional collapse. a crisis is when the two sides

can't agree to what it means. the other side is saying we don't care what the constitution requires, what the law says, we're not going along. this isn't a debate over what the rule of law means. it's a debate whether there are any rules at all. that's a serious problem for us. play pelosi whisperer for me. it was on this hour yesterday that the dramatic vote took place in the house judiciary committee, and chairman nadler at the end of the vote came out and said we are in a constitutional crisis. nancy pelosi, we called her a skeptic, she's been bumping the brakes on this idea that the democrats should race towards impeachment? where is that now, the "new york times" out with reporting on elijah cummings one of the more measured and restrained up there. all these men and women losing their patience with an approach

that is as you describe, stone wall, stone wall. >> yes. speaker pelosi used a phrase yesterday. she said the president was self-impeaching. what she's getting at is, she wants to be positioned that the democrats aren't seeking impeachment but if the administration continues to disregard the law, the constitution, they will have no choice but to go forward. she wants this to be on trump, not on the democrats. that's the way she's trying to set this up. >> the problem with the analysis, is self-impeachment is not a thing. it's ultimately speaker pelosi's decision. there's not a constitutional crisis i think because the constitution has a remedy, impeachment, richard nixon, article 3 he didn't execute his office properly because he didn't comply with subpoenas from congress. >> if you want to understand what pelosi thinks about it you have to understand her skill is vote counting.

and she knows how to get votes what she realized early on, i think, is she maybe could not persuade democrats on impeachment but donald trump could. what she's doing is giving him enough rope to hang himself, to borrow horrible imagery but it is what it is. the longer he obstructs, the more often members of his administration refuse to comply with subpoenas, the more you see democrats saying maybe the only remedy is, in fact, impeachment. she's not doing the whipping. what she's allowing is donald trump to get everyone worked up. >> she's also talking about doing costco size contempt citations for everyone in the trump administration. we, back of a napkin, made a list of everyone could be in contempt, and it could, i guess, donald trump jr. should he not appear for the senate intel committee. it would now include treasury

secret mnuchin, don mcghan, sitting attorney general william barr, don mcghan's documents, i guess the contempt citation goes there, but there is a growing list of people that could be held in contempt in short order. is this part of the white house's strategy? >> the white house's strategy is pound sand. that's literally their strategy. it's pound sand. >> is it a strategy or reflex? >> whatever you want to call it. use whatever word you want. their strategy is we're done. >> with what though? what have they given? >> they say we've given these documents -- >> to whom? >> mueller. basically what they're trying to do is blur mueller together with every other investigation. what they're trying to do is create this giant mueller-shaped cloud over everything that the democrats are doing. trump's tax returns have nothing to do with mueller, but look

there was this giant investigation now it's done we get on with governing and it creates a pretext to get on with everything else. >> i have not accepted it's a strategy. i think it's a reflex. >> you can use whatever word you want. it's a deliberate thing they're doing. >> their reflex around the russia investigation was to shut it down. it resulted in a special counsel. is there any concern that the result may not be their liking if the result is they drive pelosi to impeachment. >> that would imply forward thinking -- >> strategy. >> touche. >> there's two problems with what jonathan laid out. there's a lot of stuff -- >> wow, everyone is ripping me. >> i think we're ripping them. you're the reporter who understands what they're -- i think what i'm trying to distill is i don't think this is a white house with a capacity to sit around and make a strategy.

i think they have impulses and instincts which is to pull down the shades and give nothing. >> i think that's fair. >> one problem is there was a lot of stuff here nowhere part of the mueller investigation. i think the democrats on the hill would be wise to amp that up, look at the emmollments, the payouts. >> we need a new name, though. >> if their defense is to focus on governing, he's going to have to get better on governing than he is right now. i agree with professor butler, self-impeachment isn't a thing but i agree with sam. >> professor sam. >> she is letting trump make the case for impeaching trump. and he's doing it every day. >> the strategy is run out the clock. delay, delay, it goes to court,

which could take years. all the the trump administration has to do is hold on until the 2020 election. then whatever comes out -- >> you don't think bill barr will prosecute himself? that's shocking. >> before we lose you paul, let me put one more variable on the table. i'm told by a justice department source, the only way the democrats get their hands on anything resembling underlying evidence or a fuller version of the mueller report is part of impeachment proceedings. the standoff that the justice department and the white house may be prepared for is the more combative version. is that right? >> it's right for a couple reasons. one they get more grand jury information if it's impeachment rather than just a subpoena. then there's a recent case from the d.c. circuit that says if it's impeachment, executive privilege doesn't have the same force either. so lots more evidence that the house could get, ironically the only way they get it is through

impeachment. >> to bring this back, that's where they should be careful what they wish for because if they go to impeachment -- >> there's nothing this white house team would like more than impeachment. >> wow. this is never going to get boring. paul butler thank you. trump's desire to hide his tax returns after the "new york times" report that he's one of the biggest losers. and new reporting on kamala harris' campaign. and one of the great american baseball teams last year's world series champs, all those stories coming up. s champ those stories coming up. about teaching him to put others first. about helping her raise her first child. and when i was first diagnosed, my choice was everyday verzenio. it's the only one of its kind that can be taken every day.

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donald trump may be losing ground in his fight to keep his taxes hidden from the american people, just as his legal team was making its case to a federal judge that's congress' demand for the returns was unconstitutional. the state senate in new york passed a bill that would make it easier for congressional committees to make it easier to look at returns. the case bolstered this week thanks to reporting from the "new york times." they found trump recorded $1.17 billion in losses between 1985 and 1994. from that piece, quote, year after year mr. trump appears to have lost more money than nearly

any other individual american taxpayer. his core business losses in 1990 and 1991, more than 250 million each year, were more than double those of the nearest taxpayers in irs information. overall, mr. trump lost so much money he was able to avoid paying income taxes for eight of ten years. joining us conversation annie carp knee and with us on set alexi mccannon. more amazing reporting from your team of investigative reporters who have been on this story. the development today coming from their reporting it would seem in new york state. what's sort of the talk around the prospect of any of these efforts, which all seem to be cascading in the same direction for transparency of donald trump's taxes of cracking that open? >> well, i don't know. this will be a fight he'll play

as long as he can, the treasury department made it clear we're not going to see his recent tax returns if they have anything to do with it. the impact of the expose goes to the fundamental myth of donald trump and the question is, will it enrage him to have this emper emperor's no clothes moment exposed in the "new york times." we saw a little bit of reaction to it on twitter, but he hasn't fully come out and talked more extensively about it yet. will it affect voters who bought into a vision of a successful businessman who could do what he did for his business for the country when that is being debunked in the series of stories showing he was not that at all. what he was was a successful reality star and rebrander of himself. that's what he is. so i don't know that this deep dive into his past will have any affect on what he we see of his

more current tax returns but it tells us what might be in there and hiding, the kind of things he's scared of showing. >> alexi, i think annie is on the right part of the story that endures and the right piece of it that could punch him where it hurts. and that is that we know he's obsessed with the size of everything, the size of my hand, the size of the crowd at my inauguration, now it is this thing that is essential to him as his hair and god knows what else. the size of his bank account. this really seems like that thing that could put him over the edge. >> because it speaks to the legitimacy complex that you're eluding to. it matters because the president's success where he got to now, is in part because of the business success that he portrayed he had throughout his

life. when i'm talking to swing voters some of the most consequential voters who voted for obama and voted for trump because he claimed he was a successful businessman. that's who we should looking at, are they losing faith in donald trump? are they still attracted to someone who's a businessman if they cannot prove he's a successful businessman. that's where the stories go, and he has to explain to people who believed in him to take care of the country he's going to be able to do that in spite of the reporting the "new york times" has about his taxes. >> there's so many things you can chalk up to stupid human tricks. lies that he seems to tell for no reason. but then there are big lies that really do seem to rip off the whole facade. this one about his wealth. there's a devastating sort of line in there about his father. while trump reported hundreds of millions of dollars in losses

from 1990 and 1991. fred's showed a positive income of $53.1 million. with only one loss, $15 million in his son's business. this just feels primal. >> i agree with alexi. this legend that trump was a great businessman was a part of his success in 2016. i worked for secretary clinton we tried to puncture that myth but we heard time and again from voters this is why they believe in donald trump. when she raised it with him at the debate he was frum moksed. the idea that his father gave him money, and the casino, you go to the casino, the house always wins, he lost his casino. so it undermines his core competence as a business leader.

>> trump had for a while admitted that he was severely in debt. i think it was part of his biography that he was $8 billion in debt. they talked about this on the apprentice and he came back. one way to prove he came back is to release his current tax returns but he's not going to do it. one take away was the sheer size of his losses, which were insane, and two was -- >> can i push back briefly. >> let me get number two. >> no. let me say the only reason to point it out, he didn't hand these over to the "new york times." this is investigative journalism because even though it was part of his brand and what someone wrote for him in "the art of the deal" not clear he read that either. he didn't tell that story -- >> that gets to number two. >> go ahead. >> number two, this is the attack ad that comes at you, he paid no income taxes. here's a guy given seed money by his dad, bailed out by bankers,

he paid no income taxes. i can imagine clinton could not do that because she didn't have that information, that someone in 2020 can. >> i don't know if it's politically relevant at all. we know he's a lousy person. it does stand out in ten years of tax returns there are zero dollars of itemized contributions to charity. zero dollars. there are a lot of hardworking people in this country that work hard -- >> that's why he had the charity. >> he bought a picture of himself, right? isn't that what he did for charity? what do you think the effect is of the tax story. >> it's fabulous reporting but it's the least interesting part of donald trump's taxes, the reason the last decade is consequential and the white whale is this is the period leading up to the election where donald trump made unusual series of cash purchases of bad property around the world, he spent about $600 million in cash

buying these golf courses that are money holes. and the question is, that's not how you buy real estate. the trump organization's explanation was we had so much cash we didn't need to take out debt. so the question is, what was going on there. this is the question that people like adam schiff want to investigate. that's why it's the most recent period of taxes yes, it might be embarrassing to donald trump but i don't think it's nearly as consequential as the last ten years. >> i won't interrupt you this time but pick up on that -- >> that's okay. >> no, i shouldn't. i'm sorry. pick up on that and it does put the spotlight back on what -- >> it's like there's all these very peculiar relationships with banks, like deutsch bank, for instance, the money flowing,

having that much that much liquidity is year. where the money was going and where it was coming from needs to be answered. the problem is unless something miraculous happens we're not going to see the answers. the efforts by the house ways and means committee, while they'd succeed probably in the court of law, does not mean that the tax returns will be made public. so the voters in all likelihood will be heading into the 2020 elections with the same lack of knowledge or insight as to what's the underpinning financial of donald trump minus the late 80s and early 90s. >> annie, i want to give you one more word and ask you to respond to this. our friend aaron blake writes, trump in many ways built his career by suggesting that the life story of his political nemesis, barack obama was a fraud.

it was the birther stuff. there is a parallel here to trump's life story is now, thanks to your colleagues' great reporting, known to have been a fraud. >> i think this is one thing you hear from people talking about the trump campaign and what it will look like. they say a lot of stuff with trump is baked in, the way he speaks about women is not going to change women. they know who he is and his supporters accept it. they like what he's done on the economy and they'll overlook it. but stories like this that delve deep into his background, mean that you know, you think you know who donald trump is, and it turns out that you don't know who donald trump is, and it's different. the question is, will this change that baked in stuff. in terms of not paying taxes for eight out of ten years, in the past we heard he didn't pay taxes there were some supporters who said it makes him look smart that he got to beat the system. another version of this, though,

as a candidate is now he is the system, he is the establishment. so that's another problem for him running as the establishment candidate not the guy who rails against the establishment that he was able to beat as a businessman. but we'll see how it affects voters' views of him, of who they think they know. >> interesting last point here. donald trump, we can always tell when he's caught doing something, his push back to the reporting wasn't that it was inaccurate, it was i'm so smart, i'm so smart, i wrote these off. after the break, stop me if you heard this before, former prosecutor and two-time attorney general walk into a bar. we know how kamala harris' testing ended against william barr last week. knew her plan to prosecute the case against donald trump. stay with us. rosecute the

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the president of the united states of america has a profound amount of power that comes with that microphone and the bully pulpit. and we can no longer afford to have a president of the united states who uses that position with the intent to divide. with the intent to sow hate and division. with the intent to belittle and beat down. we just had our book reading today with those wonderful students in dearborne and the subject of the book was kindness. let me tell you how much our president could learn from a fourth grader. >> she's right. kamala harris not mincing words and going after donald trump. according to new reporting in the "new york times" we could see more of her on the attack, they write quote, ms. harris'

insistent questioning of mr. barr at the senate judiciary committee hearing and the spat with joe biden her aides demonstrating the value of elevating her voice of opposition to the president and seeking direct confrontation with the white house. her campaign is also drawing on internal polling showing that democratic primary voters are consumed with defeating mr. trump. annie and the table are back. this seems like a -- i would guess the right political calculation but the right fit for the kind of campaign she's going to be comfortable running as a former prosecutor. >> she's been drawing on her experience throughout the campaign. i think there is internal calculus happening when she's looking at the polls seeing white men are continuing to lead the polls after she had an impressive launch that even donald trump commented on, he

talked about how strong it was. i think she's switching to this campaigning strategy of attacking donald trump because she's seen and polls noticed that democrats are concerned about defeating donald trump. this is happening for her campaign at a time we've talked about this and i'm writing about it tomorrow for axios, when other democrats are turning against fellow democrats running for president. there's just these weird little sort of petty, almost passive. aggressive tifts happening. that's one way or kamala harris to look at that happening and keep above the noise on the person they're trying to defeat at the end of the day. >> annie karni, i would like your thoughts on that, you see the men dominating the spots in the primary, and kamala's tweak

is to get tougher on the president. >> that's for sure. kamala had the biggest start out of the gate with the huge crowds and has kind of stalled as biden got in and bernie has the base of support. but her turn has to do with an internal conversation. she had stumbles explaining where she stands on policy. she had to walk back statements like her support for universal health care she made on cnn. she had to walk that back after there was some backlash and then she's had a few moments questioned by reporters or voters where she has to say i have to get back to you on that. and she has fumbled. so this is a reset, as my colleagues in the "new york times" reported, that she needs just internally and to feel grounded as a candidate. one other thing to note, in terms of her turning to trump, i'll be interested to see his reaction to her because she is notably one candidate in the

wide field that he doesn't seem to know how to take on or has settled in a way, he's doing sleepy joe, crazy bernie, he fun of pete buttigieg at his rally in florida last night. all he said about her is she has commendable crowds. he hasn't figured out a way to attack her yet. that might be another question mark to open with. >> didn't he call her nasty. >> oh, nasty. a nasty witch. >> it's recycled. >> saying someone has a nasty wit is almost like a compliment. >> from him, i don't disagree with you. but her crowds spooked him. that was a couple months back and that oakland launch -- >> in trump's mind, that's the measure, the poll, crowds don't lie. i'm a little skeptical about this as well for the reason that i don't know before this what her campaign was about. i remember watching it and it

did seem a little themeless. she can't really compete with elizabeth warren in terms of these big, bold, structural aggressive progressive policies, she's not trying to, she's trying to stay slightly to the right of her. so i think this is new, i'm the person who can beat this president and hold herself up that way p. >> if you're in search of a purpose, that's a good one. >> yeah, obviously full disclosure, i'm a biden person, i'm for vice president biden in this case. i think senator harris' strategy reflects something that happened, joe biden got in the race and made his opening bid about donald trump. a lot of people said that's a mistake, we want to move on, it turns out democratic primary voters that is their number one problem right now, donald trump is in the white house. i think senator harris is going to be very good at bringing the case against donald trump. i think she is going to make a big impact in this race. and i think this is a smart move

for her. >> similar to joe biden, it suggests to me she's trying to run more of a general election campaign rather than a primary campaign. not getting into tifts with fellow democrats but keeping her eye on the end goal which is beating trump. >> i think if the primary concern among voters is how do you beat donald trump then a primary campaign is to show you can beat trump. it's been weird to watch all these democrats running for president not addressing the big elephant in the room. we've seen not just kamala harris turn to this after joe biden has, and also elizabeth warren has come out forcefully for impeachment proceedings. all of this is happening as congressional democratic leadership is saying let's slow the brakes on this stuff, look at infrastructure reform. things that are like -- they're moving in different directions here. which is from my own reporting talking to people in the party,

they still have no idea how to deal with trump. one camp says it's best to ignore him because he craves that fight. just deprive him of it. then there's another camp that says how can you ignore the sitting president of the united states. this is the ball game. and kamala harris is going to that other camp. >> i have to sneak in a break. having run campaigns, i wonder if you agree, campaigns are emotional. so i'm sure there's a need to pass bills and legislation, and deal with infrastructure, everyone knows that to be true. but i think there's an emotional aspect to running and as soon as the candidates tap into that, the better they'll do. >> he's an incumbent president you have to beat him. >> right. >> when there's an incumbent president, the race is about the incumbent. >> annie karni thank you for spending time with us. division where you look in the time of trump. today that extends to last

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the 2018 world champion boston red sox made their visit to the white house this afternoon. some of them did anyway. baseball fans might notice no alex cora or mookie betts. in fact, nearly a dozen players skipped the ceremony. all of them, players of color. when it comes to the manager, boston globe metro columnist writes this, cora doesn't want to play footsie with a president whose idea of providing aid to his native puerto rico, was to fly down and toss around paper towels. take us through this sports story that sadly for any fan of the red sox intersected with the trump politics and the trump presidency today. >> sure. this has been a controversy

that's been going on for much of the off season, would the red sox go to the white house, which would go to the white house and so on. alex cora the manager of the team said a couple months ago that he's not sure he would go to the white house. and then he announced a few days ago he definitely wasn't going, joining just about all of the team's players of color. that's how the time line has gone. >> what's the impact? is there any disunity on the team about the decision whether to go or not go? >> other than the disunity of whether to go at all, it's not clear how it's playing out in the clubhouse. but it strikes a nerve in the city. boston is a city always battling this narrative of racial insensitivity and the narrative of the white sox going to the white house and the players of color sitting it out is not playing well here. >> let me ask you a broader question, the golden state

warriors, full disclosure my team, when they won there was a twitter battle with the president, lebron james got in. they didn't go. the team stood together. do you think donald trump is changing the what championship o by really -- he is out there still relitigating and redefending his comments. >> i mean, you know, just to think about it, a couple years ago there was no controversy. teams were invited and they went to the white house. he has made this an issue in a way it has never been before. >> it is unbelievable, sam stein. it wasn't that long ago where he called nfl players sons of bitches and used to his advantage. >> let's be honest, he had used these battles with players particularly in terms with the file of the whole issue of kneeling for the anthem.

so he has political sized his relationship with sports in the way previous presidents have not.sized his relationship with sports in the way previous presidents have not. >> that is the fact. he has used this stuff to his advantage. and just this past couple weeks ago, he con glagratulated the sd pick in the nfl draft, nick bosa, who happened to be an outspoken trump supporter. he did not congratulate the first pick, kyler murray, who is a black quarterback. odd but ♪ ♪able. and you have to put yourself in alex consid alex cora's shoes. what would you do if you were a prud son of puerto rico and you watched the president take a hammer to your island, insult its leaders and consistently lie about the amount of aid that you've given puerto rico. including today saying he had given them $91 billion of aid when in fact that is just not true. would you is you can it up and go there or take a principled

stand saying i don't have to legitimize this? i understand. it creates an image of a team that is divided when they are not the ones that are divided. trump divided them. >> and jonathan swan, he is right the president made the point at a rally last night. what is it about puerto rico that undoes donald trump. i think that the team seems to have handled this and i take adrian's reporting on this to the bank. they seem to have given people the space to do what they think is right. but donald trump is consistently undone by any criticism of his handling of puerto rico. >> so i can't go inside his head. all i can tell you is what he says in private with white house aides. and it is consistent. he says that he described puerto rico as a scam. he says that every dollar we send there is a dollar for corruption. and that is just what he says to the aird oigs and that is the justification he gives for cutting off the funding anded

aid. that is what he says. >> and pick up that thread for me and tell me if you aricing up a picking up any sort of consideration to try to get more resources for the island or was this a day about sports and the team. >> i think that they have just viewed it as a day that was about sports and the team. there was some feeling that cora should go to the white house and perhaps try to pitch puerto rico to the president. but they opted to go in a completely different direction. >> and sports is somethisuppose something that brings together. and among the many, many sad chapters of donald trump is that he relishes in dividing us as a country. i bet he was happy today that he was able to say that the white players were here and players of color weren't. it is the exact opposite of what presidents democrat or republican liberal or

conservative are supposed to do around these kinds of events. >> and this will sound weird, but i think this is the kind of story that breaks through the kinds of voters that you are following, the voters that i followed after the election. i think there is this irritation when everything becomes contaminated by politics and it is apparent you want to go to a baseball game and not think about donald trump for three hours. turn on a football game and not see a side bar conversation about whether they should or should not kneel. do you think these are the sorts of things that chip away just in the vain of irritation that everything has become political? >> it is interesting. especially with the issue of kneeling during the nags tional anthem, there are wildly different views on that from people of color and white folks. but i think that there is an overwhelming sense of fatigue that i hear from people that i talk to no matter what state we're in. and it is not just fatigue. it is a feeling of getting back to normalcy. they just want something that

feels less chaotic and less politicized and less sketchy. they want more transparency and a more of what to expect rather than having every single thing they do, whether sports or pop culture otherwise have some sort of angle to it. >> and adrian, take me through the fan experience a day like today. the fans behind the players that went or are the fans offended on behalf of the players that didn't? did they want the team to stay together on day like today? >> i think that the fans are largely behind the players who decided not to go. but the fans are as you would expect and perhaps as president trump wanted divided certainly. >> so sad. it really is a remarkable commentary on where we are. and disclosed that you are by deny guy. biden sort of messages about

returning us to normalcy. >> i think overall you are seeing fatigue and a desire that they want this to end. even some that agree with trump, they are like how can everything in our society be so divided, be so politicized and polarized. >> and this issue of exhaustion, they did a poll of young black voters. and they talked about trump. and what they found was that the more you mentioned trump, the more likely they were just disengage from the process. they would say i don't want anything to do with this, i'm not going to vote because nothing i do can make a change. and at the time this was used to encourage democrats to not talk about the president because they thought it would push people away.

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my thanks to jonathan, sam, ron, alexi and to all of you for watching. i'm nicolle wallace. mtp daily with chuck todd starts now. >> if it is thursday, president trump's crises are colliding. ♪ good evening. i'm chuck todd here in washington. welcome to "meet the press" daily. what a crazy day in washington. but here is what really matters. what kind of stomach does the president have for a crisis in whether a constitutional showdown or economic downturn or military conflict or all at the same time, because he is a juggling a lot. he held a