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democratic white house just cancelling congress out? because according to a new analysis, that's exactly what the trump administration is doing as it attempts to block no less than 20 separate investigations led by congressional democrats. with holding 79 requests for documents and data. as republicans defend the secrecy, swords are being sharpened across the aisle. >> i don't think this country could survive another four years of a president like this who gets up every day trying to find new and inventive ways to divide us. he has to be defeated. i don't know how much our democratic institution can take over the attacks of rule of law. >> on tuesday a federal judge slated to rule on whether or not
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records can be obtained from the president's private accounting firm. three days later, the next subpoena is expected for the president's tax returns. while attorney general william barr faces the upshot of last week's contempt vote in the house, the white house is reportedly fighting the keep don mcgahn from testifying next week. democrats are adamant that robert mueller will testify after we learned it will not be this week as we had hoped. this president seems to fear this. former senior add viviser.
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how long can this last before we start seeing the erosion of how we govern in this country where we have been taught and has been in many ways and every way honored since the beginning of the country that they are co-equal legislative and executive branches and there are checks and balances and this is erodesing by the day with the out right dismissal by the trump administration of every and anything congress wants to look into. >> the way in which the trump administration is conducting themselves is already erodesing some basic principles that all of us believed in. i think what democrats are asking right now isn't that much. they are asking for the full
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mueller report unreunredacted. they are asking for bill barr to testify before the judiciary committee. he didn't even show up. they are asking for mueller to testify. we know the president doesn't want to do that. they want to talk to don mcgahn. once again the white house is trying to block that. there are a lot of other documents beyond the mueller report they are looking for into issues that are really important to american people's lives such as family separation policy. that's an area where the white house hasn't turned over documents as well as efforts by the administration to undermine the affordable care act. i think what we're seeing is across the board cover up by this administration and this president now has a lap dog in bill burr to do its dirty work. it's a real, real danger to how we think of this country and think of our democracy. >> even some republicans have to question that we may be going too
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activities from the trump administration because when you see even now senate intel committee coming -- >> richard burr who is a conservative. >> he's definitely conservative. when he subpoenas donald trump junior. there's signs of people saying, wait a minute, we do have the right to ask questions and to see if there are conflicts of interest that could compromise this country. when we talk about looking at the president's tax returns. we're not talk about whether he's a billionaire or not and gossip. we're talking about does he have situations where he's engaged in business practices that could make him make decisions that could affect our country security. >> look, if the president is innocent, he is not acting like it. the fact of the matter is the fact that you have the trump organization suing deutsche bank
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and others. it indicates there's something in the trump world there is something they are trying to hi hide. you don't want to set a dangerous precedent by not having a check on this executive. what happens if the roles are reversed. prime minist prime example. if president obama did half of what trump did, impeachment would not be a discussion. it would take place. for democrat, i understand nancy pelosi wanting to be tactful here and i understand the fact that 31 individuals, democrats wo w who won in places that trump won. i get all of those things. at some point in time you have to draw the line. i think the line should be drawn now. i do think that you have to make a case as i said on your show before to the american people why this is important because we're talking about our institutions. we're talking about the bed rock of our republic. if we don't do something now and
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donald trump wins again, just imagine how extreme he's going to become. when he knows he doesn't have to face re-election. >> doug, i think that you know we met many of our national civil rights heads with nancy pelosi this week. i understand the election. i understand the politics. we do have to deal with the fact that, for example, we know that donald trump had a business deal that they were projecting in russia. what happened? what was the exchange? what was committed? what was not? did that affect any business you may do with russia as president? i think that is a legitimate question to really deal with national security and dealing with foreign relations. i think that a lot of what's missing is the messaging to the american people on why it is so necessary to see these things.
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they're not just trying to poke at trump or trump junior or somebody else. you really talking about to make sure that we are not being led by down a blind alley for reasons that have nothing to do with the security and what is best for this country. >> you're right. the mueller report also looks at a lot of time russia's meddling into our election. that's one of the most important thing that report covers. the fact we weren't able to see all of that report makie ins it it's harder for congress to put in place things to protect us in the future. we haven't seen much in this administration in terms about protecting our democracy in 2020 at all. look, i think what democrats really need to consider is just holding hearings on the mueller report as a first step. i think there is a lot of
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unanswered questions that the public has about the mueller report. you made a good point there's a lot of confusion out there. that's by design. the president has put forward a confusion campaign so people wouldn't really understand what's going on. democrats really need to lay out their case about some of these times. i think they can do that. maybe they look at a select committee like the one that republicans established on benghazi. >> when you look at the fact that we also are talking about his activities as president, when you deal with obstruction and he doesn't want don mcgahn, who was the counsel in the white house. this has nothing to do with the trump campaign, doesn't want him to testify. this comes straight to the middle of checks and balances. we are not even going to let the legislative branch say what behavior was conducted in the
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white house as president by your general counsel. >> i think the house, if they are smart and if i was advising nadler, i was subpoena don mcgahn to testify. i do understand executive privilege where there are certain things he may not be able to disclose but sometimes silence is more deafening than words. i think the american people would gain a lot by his inability to talk about certain things. i also think robert mueller have to testify. even fp if we don't see the ful report, it's enough to move the needle to say maybe we need to start looking at this again. thinking about this politically, democrats did very well congressionally in places that donald trump con. you look -- won. they are going to gin it up. you think about the dynamics. they don't look good for the republican party. if i'm a democrat, for
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candidate, focus on the issues. for folks in the house, continue to make the case to the american people why if they believe, if the investigation public investigation leads you have to impeach the president. you have to have public hearings. you have to hear from mcgahn and robert mueller. i think those two individuals are important enough to potentially begin the process of moving the needle for a significant portion of the american people. >> let me ask on the other side of this, are the democrats risking by not dealing more with these kinds of investigations and the impeachment question, softening a lot of their own base who are angry and wand t t see this done. people want to know about bred and butter issues and they do.
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they expect the democrats the hold this administration accountable. if it looks like thiey are pumping on the brake, isn't that a political risk in. >> possibly. that's why i think they have to remain vigilant and stay the course. they held bill barr in contempt last week. there is an effort for the full mueller report. i would go back to my point about actually holding hearings on the mueller report. as a sort of first step to potentially getting to impeachment but having that conversation and looking at all aspects of it so they can bring witnesses before the house and have them testify. they really need to use every tool in their tool box. i'm not endorsing impeachment right now. i think that it's got to be on the table. i'd like to see democrats keep pressing this administration.
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that's essential. he conducted this investigation. he needs to testify. >> we'll leave it there for now. more later in the show. coming up, getting ahold of the president's tax return at every turn. donald trump says no to requests by congress. there's another way without going through washington. i'll talk with the man whose making that happen, next. whose making that happen, next >> tech: you think this chip is nothing to worry about? well sooner or later... every chip will crack. >> mom: hi. >> tech: so bring it to safelite. we can repair it the same day... guaranteed. plus with most insurance, it's no cost to you. >> mom: really? >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, ♪ safelite replace.
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donald trump was the first candidate in more than 40 years not to reveal his tax returns while he campaigned for president. since that time, he's only dug his heels in more flat out telling congress and anyone else who asks for them, no. or when he wants to sound clever using the tired excuse that he's quote, under audit, like that matters. now it's finally come down to the house ways and means committee subpoenaing treasure secretary steve mnuchin for the records. as we watch this stalemate play out, there apyres pears to be ar
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way of finding out who this president does business with and just how much money he really makes. joining me is democratic florida woman, a member of the house ways and means committee. and democratic state senator from new york. state senator, let me go to you first. i read this in the papers of what you propose in the state senate that has passed the new york state senate and has to go to the assembly and signed by the governor who said i believe he will sign it. tell the viewers exact ly what you propose? >> thank you for having me on. the bill that will be voted on and that we passed in the senate would allow the new york state tax department to share donald trump's tax returns, state tax returns with one of the three
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congressional committees that are investigating. namely the house ways and means committee. we're creating parallel mechanism for the house ways and means committee to obtain the state tax records. they already have that ability even though donald trump and his administration is rebuffing congress to do that at the federal level. >> to be clear, the bill, as i read it, that the state senators pass does not directly just point at the president but they say for any new yorker and he being one that resided in new york and did business here, had to do state tax returns in new york and they would have to reflect what he put on his federal tax returns because you can't have different income and you can't have different kinds of dealings. it would almost be the same kind of numbers. >> that's right. i think there will be a lot of information of interest to congressional investigators. the point you made this is a
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general bill of applicability is true. this would apply to all new yorkers. right now the state of new york already shares the tax filing information of new yorkers with the federal government and share it with other states. we're creating another avenue for the state of new york to share state tax returns with the u.s. congress. >> now, congresswoman, let me say i know i said you're from florida and you know i know you're from california. >> thank you. >> let me correct that. as a member of house ways and means, first of all, your reaction to the white house and the treasury secretary rebuffing you. they say they are for, what does that say to you? >> i cannot even believe that we are going to this level. for four decades presidents have voluntarily submitted their tax returns to the american public.
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they know the american public expects to see whether their president is paying their fair share of taxes. this president refuses to do so. for mnuchin to rebuff the request that chairman neil has made is totally ridiculous and also offensive because it goes against the law, the 1924 law that's been there for 100 years that says those returns shall be provided to chairman neil. i'm so glad the new york state is passing this bill and it will reveal much of the same information that we are seeking. we want to know the information that would be in their such as his corporate taxes. his real estate taxes and his state personal income tax.
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since his business is headquartered in new york, that will reveal information of interest to us. >> you're saying there's a 1924 law. we're not talking about partisan politics. we're talking about the politics that gives the house ways and means committee the right to say, hand over this information, we need the look at it. >> yes. >> the law was passed after the teapot dome scandal in which administration officials were bribed by private corporations to get these oil leases on public land. congress said this kind of corporation give away that should not continue to occur. that's why they did pass this
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law. never has a request been denied not until this time. >> that's unprecedented. in a tweet earlier this week the president tweeted, quote, i won the 2016 election partially based on no tax returns while i'm under audit and i still am. the voters didn't care. now the radical left democrats want to relitigate this matter. make it part of the 2020 election. first of all, it's not about relitigating, it's the law. he's bragging about him flouting the law and this none sense about he's under audit. an audit has nothing to do with you releasing your taxes. >> it's outrageous. not only is the president
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breaking 40 years of political tradition that the congresswoman points out but he is flouting congress's role as an oversight co-equal branch of government n. that i can identify with. as a new yorker and citizen, i'm scared to death that we are on the precipice of a constitutional crisis. i think states like new york have to do what they can to support congress' role as a co-equal branch of government. >> congresswoman, couldn't it seriously be changed if in fact they are not made to be held accountable to one another which this dispute can change forever or set a precedent. >> the writers of our
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constitution believed we should not have a government that's a dictatorship ruled by a king. that's why they made our government oo system of checks ansz balances. we have three branches of government and the congress has a role and the oversight body over the executive branch. what mnuchin and the president are doing flouts this and we are exercising our mandate to make sure that there is oversight. that this president is paying his fair share of taxes. the irs is auditing this president and that there are no conflicts of interest that could seriously harm the kinds of bills that are passed here and harm the american public. >> all right. we'll have to leave it there. thank you congresswoman.
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brutally restrictive abortion law. this means governor kemp that you can kiss that nearly $3 billion in revenue from film tax credits you made last year good-bye. i know georgia is not alone. nearly two dozen states have proposed or passed measures prestripr restricting abortions. they are trying to over turn the landmark roe versus wade decision that legalized abortions nation wide. while these states tried to fight over who can be the most b b barbaric and repressive towards women, remember groups like the aclu and planned parenthoods are pushing right back and add hollywood to that fight, mr. governor, you've already lost to two things that truly make
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is there a point where you start going after joe biden. >> i feel very good about the campaign. >> are you pledging you will not go negative on joe biden to close the gap in the national polls? >> that's not what politics should be about and it's not what should be taking place in the democratic primary. >> why if i'm watching this show, do i choose bernie over biden? >> if people take a hard look at my voting record, my vision, it's quite different than joe biden's is. >> that's senator bernie sanders going one-on-one with me on this show last night and putting a brave front. a front that still has him trailing. whether you're senator sanders
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or nearly two dozen other democrats dreams of the the white house, biden's lead is solidified. what can they do to change that? what we do know is just talking kitchen table issues isn't changing a thing. doug you've been in politics, a democratic add vierz for a while. what would you say to any of those that are in this long list of democratic candidates. they need to do to break out and challenge the vice president's seemingly growing lead in the polls for the democratic nomination. >> first thing is to have a break out performance in the debates in june. those will be watched by millions and millions of voters of democrats. it will be really important that
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you break out there, that you have a moment. i think you also have to hope that joe biden slips up in the deba debate. if you remember back in 2007, hillary clinton had a pretty commanding lead when she was the front-runner and she made a mistake in a debate over a question related to driver's license and immigrants and that ended up slowing her down. we know what happened after that. you can draw contrasts with the vice president on issues. i don't think there's anything wrong with that. bernie is doing it on issues like china, trade and climate. you run the risk of hurting your favorable numbers if you go after his character. i would caution democrats against that. ultimately, i think the debates will be really important. then you got to find a state that you can plant your flag down and do really well and hope that can sling show you through
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the primaries like winning in iowa or winning in new hampshire. >> i think that to beat expectations helps a candidate. i think it is clear they if somebody pull a strong number two in an early primary that was not expected to do well, it could change perception. i've lived a life beating low expectations so i welcome it. i know what that can do. is joe biden the one they are fearful of? >> that's the one i would be most concerned with. you look at where democrats performed well.
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that indicates a weakness with supporters of the president. that means there are some of those supporters who may be amendable to the right candidate like a joe biden. the question for joe biden will be can you rebuild that blue wall. pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan. i believe he's the best one to do so. i think the litmus test will be can you defeat donald trump? joe biden may have some pitfalls here and there because this will be a long process. they change the delegate process. >> some states that moved up. >> at the end of this, the bottom line question for most democratic voters is going to be who is the best person to defeat donald trump. i think as of right now that individual is joe biden. if you look at what his team is doing, as far as laying out the infrastructure in iowa, building an infrastructure in new hampshire, he has folks that are
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beginning do plant seeds in places like south carolina which is a pivotal at a time when it pertains to african-americanafr. when you think about building up campaign machine to target and mobilize individuals to get out to vote so you can get the necessary delegates, i think joe biden is doing everything right. >> doug, let's take what was just said, can you build that blue wall in pennsylvania, et cetera. don't you also have to build that blue wall without losing a lot of the voters like african-american voters, latino voters and progressive voters. s to a real, real delicate balance that joe biden or for that matter any other candidate would have to perform. >> you have to do both. if hillary clinton did better in milwaukee and detroit, she likely would be the president of the united states.
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african-american turn out, there was an excitement that was not there for the clinton campaign in certain states. that's going to be really important. i think joe biden, what he's demonstrated right now is he's putting together a very broad coalition of support. he's got 47% support of african-american women. that will be critical in a state like south carolina. he's not doing as well with young voters as bernie sanders. he's putting together that general election coalition. he's running a general election campaign. you have to be able to do both and you won't be able to beat trump. >> another headline. another headline mayor pete buttigieg, last night when he accused fellow democrats of playing identity politics. take a listen.
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>> when an auto worker 12 years into their career is no longer sure how to provide for their family, they are not part of the country we think of ourselves as all living in together. that's why we can't seem to get on the same page. these divisive lines of thinking have entered into the consciousness of my own party. when we're told we need the choose between supporting an auto worker and supporting a trans woman of color without stopping to think about the auto worker is a trans woman of color and she definitely needs all the support she can get. >> if we're shifting now where identity politics is being debated on the democratic primaries and something i was on earlier show and i think is not only unwise not only not wise
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but is also offensive because people are dealing with their identities because they in many ways live a different life because of their identity. >> absolutely. i get the notion being a republican this is an argument you hear a lot on our side. the whole identity politics thing and we all play into identity politics. the messaging i would develop for some folk who is are college educated for an evangelical group will be different because i'm placating to their identities. the things of their concern and of interest to them. that's not to say we don't share commonalities like education, wanting a good job but that's to say the recognitioned we're all desperate as it relates to identities as certain groups of people are impacted less or worse, if you will in comparison to some individuals. to recognize is not a bad thing.
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right noi i'm looking to the democratic party and what someone like a joe biden, i can say as a republican we can go back to debating issues as normal and it gives my party the opportunity to regroup ourselves. i have no idea what's happened to the republican party under donald trump. >> doug, the fact is we all want to have commonality which is what the fight has been about is that we were not treated in the same kind of common way that other americans were. blacks are still-- unemployed than whites. there's a different education. there's a different criminal justice system.
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people tell me we need to deal with common, that's been the goal. that's what we're fighting and marching for is we are treated in the same common way. we're not. to tell me don't talk about it is to tell me to accept the inequality. >> that's right and ignore the challenges and the history that many americans in this country have faced and had to deal with. i think you can, as a democrat, you can talk about issues that are specifically important to african-americans. you can address issues that are important to african-americans and important to hispanics and women. i don't believe that's identity politics. republicans do this all the time. they do it with evangelicals. they do it with gun owners. they do it with the pro-life movement. they do it with white males. it's common place. i think democrats have to be able though to make sure that they have a big tent heading into 2020 and that they can
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bring -- they can excite not only our base, african-american young voters and hispanics but bring back into the fold many of those voters we lost in the rust belt and in some rural areas. i think a guy like joe biden can do that. i think amy klobuchar. kamala harris. pete b. as well. this identity politics thing is just kind of nonsense that the right has been pushing. it's about time that they ended it. >> buttigieg is out of touch as far as i'm concerned. >> thank you both for being with us on this mother's day. a handful of moms will get one of the best gifts they ever could receive. their freedom. i'll explain, next. their freedom. i'll explain, next
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afford to post bail. joining me now is lisa clinton and mary hooks of southerners on new ground, one of the organizations leading this charge. lisa, let me ask you, when you actually see these mothers bailed out and they're walking out of the jail -- because you go and do the work on the ground, i understand -- tell me what you -- give me the feeling of what they say, how they look, and how you respond. >> of course. it's an overwhelming feeling of pain and joy. the joy is, hey, my people are free. and the pain is you're coming
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from trauma. how can i hold space for you and be here and support you? >> wow. mary, we're dealing with people that are accused of a crime. some just couldn't make bail for their trials or whatever. so, it's not for people that want to spend this wrongly that we're talking about just opening up jails' doors. we're talking about people that should be able to be with their families but did not have the money. what is the reason that you and others felt that this needed to be dealt with and raised money and took time out of your lives to be committed to this? >> well, hello, mr. sharpton. we feel we have a political imperative. it's urgent. urgent because people are in cages.
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every day they're sitting in there, they're losing so much. and not only that, but what it also takes to get people out often times. recently part of the national bail out collective had put out a report. we talk about the black codes avail. and we see what's happening where they make bail like a -- it's like booby traps everywhere you go to try to get people out. we knew based off our ancestral memory that our people have done this before and we have bought each others' freedom before and it is our duty to love and support each other and to embody the politic and embody the vision of the world we want to see. if we say we're about abolition and we're trying to move toward a world that doesn't rely on courts, cages, and cops, and punishment when we cause harm or make bad decisions or what have you, then we need to embody that right now. we also know on a basic face that it's a violation of our
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constitutional rights to have people sitting in cages without due process. >> that's right. >> all because of money. that's why we have to do we hav be done because our ancestors say we that i don't know how any of us sleep at night. >> and living up to what your ancestors, as you say, both you and lisa, it's duty because it should be expected that we're going to continue to fight for people to be fair and just. and i think you're doing great work. i just wanted to highlight that on mothers' day. mary hooks and lisa clinton, thank you both for being with us and for what you do. up next, my final thoughts. do. up next, my final thoughts
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experience the entertainment you love on x1. access netflix, prime video, youtube and more, all with the sound of your voice. click, call or visit a store today. >> today is mothers' day, and my mother was my rock. she was a single mother, raised my sister and i at times on welfare with food stamps. but we never knew we were underprivileged because my mother told us what we could be and should be and taught us to think up and never look down to us. and that has been the rock of my life. and i remember my mother visited me when i was doing 90 days in jail for leading a protest about navy bombings in puerto rico. many activists went to jail. i got three months. and she came to see me and told
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me just eat, al, eat. she was always concerned, but she respected my activism as my two daughters were standing with her when she came out of the visit, i've learned to respect them. there's nothing to replace your mother. there's a reason why all of us enter the world through a mother. so, whatever your mother, rich or poor, whatever the race, whatever the religion, honor them today. i honor my mother not on mothers' day but every day i get up, and i try and measure what i do to say would my mother have been proud? she sacrificed so much to get me through a childhood and teenage years that it would never have been expected i could do things that i did. and i owe it to my mother to not ever forget the sacrifices she made and others made and that
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they expected more of me than i ever would have expected without them and her in my life. happy mothers' day, mom. that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here next saturday at 5:00 p.m. until then, to keep the conversation going, like us on facebook.com/politicsnation and follow us on twitt twitter @politicsnation. i'll hand things over to my colleague kendisgibson. >> hi al, we have to remember our mothers. thank you for that message. >> thank you. happy mothers' to all the mothers in your life. >> good evening everyone, i'm kengibson. president trump hits his white
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