something coming from china, you're looking at a gain of .8%. that does it for me. i'll be back here tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. and again at 3:00 p.m. find me on social media. thank you for watching "deadline: white house" with nicole wallace starts right now. hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. how many is too many? that's a question for democrats today as the largest field in modern history adds another, new york city mayor bill de blasio throwing his ring in the hat today. an image of people laughing at the mayor on the cover of one of his hometown newspapers, the post. he's the 23rd democrat now, joe biden is the clear front runner according to ever national poll. but new reporting from axios

suggests he's aware of the long line of rivals behind him. axios pulling back the strategy writing, quote, jobe is trying to snuff out his democratic competitors before the race really gets going. he's running like it's a general election, questioning the readiness to stare down trump. while he's vowed to take down his 22 competitors while not attacking him. it may have added a target on his back. axioss writing, quote, by all accounts biden's strategy is working. others are noticing and feeling threatened. it'll be a time everyone takes a shot at biden. there's no way campaigns aren't looking to talk about his records at the debate. that's where we start with our favorite reporters and friends. rick stengel is back, professor

eddie glod and heidi presbela, and high eidi it's your reporti talk us through. >> none of the campaigns want to talk about their strategy to handle joe biden. they're looking at the polls, saw he was leading before announced and solidifying it since getting in. his campaign is not a month old but we've seen the ways the campaigns are threatened by the way that bernie sanders comes out against him, elizabeth warren says he's on the side of the credit card companies. beto o'rourke sent out this petty email saying we're funded by the grass roots but joe biden is funded by the lobbyists. he didn't say his name in the email but we know who he's talking about. when you talk to folks close to

biden. they are aware of the threat they're posing to democrats and they're taking the high road. saying we don't need to take the same road with the green new deal, apology for everything, we can acknowledge what they're saying but we don't need to apology about everything we've done in our lives. we're going to take it at our pace, not going to attack other democrats and trying to lean into this general election strategy by focussing on president trump who in turn is focussing on joe biden and not really anyone else. >> the fact that donald trump is going after biden seems to me if you're one of his democratic opponents you don't have to do that work. i know just from trying to cover this field of 23 that there is a hunger to beat donald trump, a hunger to take it to him, and a real distaste for the intraparty fighting. >> yes. but then there's the civil war in the party. >> tell me about it. >> it's real. let's be honest.

what alexi just reported sounds a lot like 2007. sounds like what hillary clinton was doing around this time. remember around this time she had a 30 point lead on obama and moving into a general election mode. then she started getting questioned from her left. people were coming after her for the crime deal, talking about her speeches, her corporate connections. joe biden just walked past a protest in los angeles to a fund-raiser, a very, very expensive fund-raiser, right. so there are these elements within the party we can call it progressive base, its left, however you want to describe it, who are making a case for really taking over the democratic party. so if donald trump thinks he will be the only target in sight and joe biden needs to ride that way, he's going to be in for a big surprise. >> are there dangers? is this 2007? is there -- i think the variable

there was barack obama. a lot of people, democrats and republicans can acknowledge now he was extraordinary. he was extraordinarily talented, he was sort of intouch with where the party was heading. is there an obama in the field? >> no. that's on purpose i think. there's a set of ideas. the problem we face as a country is not reducible to individual personality, it's reducible to ideology, a way of governing so folks want to turn the corner, do something different. are we going to be backward or forward looking, that's the choice the democratic party is facing. >> does your reporting show that biden can't turn with the party? is it optics? does it look like yesterday and not tomorrow or do people detect in biden, a rigidity around policies? because i detect in biden an eagerness to grow with the party. in some ways as vice president

he led the president, president obama, in the direction where the party was going. between the two of them, he seemed more in touch with or maybe more vocal about where the democratic party was going during the eight years of the obama presidency. >> i think he's trying to play it down the road of the ladder you just mentioned that he's mallable. saying i may not support the green new deal but i'll have my own plan on the environment, tbd on the details. and that is probably a safe strategy at this point to not let himself get pulled too far leftward unless it shows there starts to be some splintering of the 40%, which now seems to be consolidating around him. honestly, nicole, the thing that might make the most sense, versus trying to take down the giant, is consolidation in the second tier. a lot of these candidates, i don't know if it's because

they're forced into it or if they think it's a great idea on their merits. they're becoming not single issue but poster issue. like eric swalwell is modeling everything around guns. we saw a note today about kirsten gillibrand going down to georgia to take it to georgia, women's rights and abortion rights. and so these candidates are -- they may be doing that because they're forced to do it to distinguish themselves. if there was more of a windowing in the second tier, biden would be forced to engage, right now he's not. >> my favorite game with you is to play i had your old job time magazine editor. if i were doing a cover this week, i would do 23 pictures and i would blur them. is this becoming a blur, is it too many choices for democrats? >> you want it not to sell? >> i think i missed my calling. can i tell the truth, now that we're down the rabbit hole, i'd be cake on the cover.

i buy every magazine with food on it. put cake on it i'll buy it. >> time is a dual interest magazine. 50/50 men and women, 50/50 red and blue. you can't put cake on it because that's a woman's magazine and then the advertisers are saying i'm not reaching the 50% guys. >> we'll have the fight later. are there too many democrats in the field? >> i'm glad you called on me last i'm doing everything to not talk about the horse race. >> voters don't have to make a choice for a long time. >> if there was some general consensus in the media of let the folks go out and campaign, have this radical notion of trying to talk to voters and have it happened without us analyzing it all the time. >> i agree with you. >> but i'm going to analyze it because you asked me to. it's about math. eddie saidiz ideas, i think thas

the first time it's been uttered in the campaign. right now it's about fiemath, w the field is this big and you have the name recognition, which biden has. if there's another name there, like hillary clinton, the lead wouldn't be so big. it's all about the math right now and he's coasting on that, and i think that's fine. >> do you think, rick, when you look at this race and you're mayor de blasio, i think anyone being snide about him, he actually at a serious level speaks to a lot of the ideas that that part of the party is hungry for. so sort of made that point on twitter earlier, he may be in the idea contest very much in line with where some of the democratic base is. do you think there's a simple -- we try every day. there's 23 but we try to find

them all every day. i think the problem is not about getting coverage. the problem is getting into living rooms. there's just a fatigue, i've been out every night this week i have to go see another? >> the other point is that progressives have been in hiding the last 12, 16 years, right? the traditional thing -- richard nixon said it, you run to the extreme in the primaries and a centrist in the general election. we've had centrists who have gotten the democratic nomination now for anybody in living memory. the progressive is like when is it our turn? that's what we're seeing now. in a positive way i think a lot of the progressive ideas are moving towards the middle or the party is moving towards the left. i think that's fine and that's a better way to get more people out there, to reassemble the obama coalition of 2008 as opposed to getting 40,000 white guys in michigan, wisconsin and

pennsylvania. let's do it. >> i can never divorce my past life as a campaign operative. to build on eddie's point about ideas, if i were a champion of some of the progressive ideas, i would want to make sure everyone in the field, including joe biden championed those ideas. what is the squeamishness to make this a personality contest, to put a target on joe biden's back. >> what i've heard is his proximity to obama makes it w k awkward to come out against his right hand man because they don't want to be seen as coming out against barack obama. that said, the calculus of the race is different than when barack obama was around. we have a small but loud group of democratic activists pushing candidates at every level, special on the issues they know candidates don't want to endorse

like joe biden with the green new deal. the democratic party prides itself on being a big tent party, able to hash out ideas, but they're eliminating that idea for different ideas and a more robust idea in the democratic party because they have a very narrow lens and everyone should agree with that. that's where joe biden would get in trouble, but i don't know how much because i don't know how substantial that group of people is. >> this is what keeps me up at night, along with my grocery list and amazon orders, what if it were just joe biden, kamala harris, and elizabeth warren. >> it would be a really interesting conversation. >> what would it be? maybe i'll call you at night. >> i cannot wait. i'm going to have my jameson to watch joe biden and elizabeth warren on the debate stage.

>> and kamala harris, because i feel those three tell a lot of the story of what's happening in the party right now. you talked about ideas. elizabeth warren not only has the ideas, she doesn't get enough credit for the kind of -- she is an incredibly skilled messenger on the trail. she's become a very effective and smooth and tough and concise messeng messenger. kamala harris is riding this moment what she did to bill barr i have not seen done in the trump era. and biden speaks to the party. >> it may be the case elizabeth warren's policy drive has driven other candidates to put forward ideas. >> no doubt. >> the recent poll in pennsylvania we saw biden against trump -- >> i think i have that 53 to 42. >> right underneath him was bernie sanders crushing him. >> right. >> so part of what we see is not just simply the ideology

spectrum of right, center left, center, we see a mixture where the categories don't capture what's going on on the ground, kitchen table issues. people are trying to figure out how they're going to make their house note, make ends meet, pay for college. we know it's not simply policies of the republican party. there have been democrats consistent and complicit in producing a reality that have made their kitchen table issues an issue. so they want something different. so that debate that you imagine, that we just imagined, will consist of or ought to consist of new ideas. how are you going to address flat line wage -- >> before everyone takes to twitter to bury me today, i love pete buttigieg, i love beto, but in terms of people to me at a

substantive level get the moment, the policy and have the legacy politics from obama. those three intrigue me. i want to ask you something, though. they are putting issues on the ballot as well. there are 23 candidates and six issues. guns are in the democratic primary, cory booker, eric swalwell and i believe kamala harris -- you've been covering the gun debate, i think there are a dozen candidates and half a dozen issues. >> depending on the issues there's different candidates in the hot suit. bernie is going to have to make amends in terms of his past on guns. for joe biden the fascinating thing about the debates is not his legacy with obama, that is solid. those candidates are smart, they're not going to go after him on his obama record, they'll go after him on the same things that hillary clinton was vulnerable on. we're in a different moment but look at his attributes on paper,

his vulnerabilities with hillary clinton with similar, a lot of ties, a lot of ties to banking, wall street, in terms of his criminal justice system, his record on criminal justice reform. a lot of the things that are not in the fore, if you do see a pile on during the debates i think it'll hopscotch back to that, not his record with barack obama. >> i'm not making the case for 24, but if there were 24, this is who i wish it was. >> are you prepared to shut the door on a presidential run right now? >> no, i'm not. as i said before, i'm watching to see what happens, i think we have a robust crop of can'ts and we're having important conversations but my mission is to make sure we're keeping the attention focussed through the campaign so i'm going to keep watching and decide if i need to jump in. >> she's an all-star and what

she's talking about seems something all the democrats should be talking about. what happened in her state, what's happening at a national level. eddie talked about ideas. that's more than idea. that seems to be an urgent policy priority. >> yeah. although i wonder why she didn't hop in to the senate race in georgia. the idea that you could have a democratic president, a democratic house and a republican senate, which would be the switch of now, would be the same blocking maneuver that whoever is the democratic president in 2020 would have to face. she'd be a fantastic candidate in george. i think she could hop in because i think anyone can hop in who's not a tall, white guy at this point. because that's all -- or a short white guy. that's topped out now. but she could be -- >> i saw governor bill with rachel maddow this week and he was asked the question that you're putting out, what about

the senate, what -- >> nobody wants to be in the senate. it's a sucky time to be in the senate. they'll tell you themselves. i asked governor hickenlooper if you're not going to run for president, what about senate? i'm not wanting to do that, that's not fun. i'm interesting in team building. >> that's so sad. >> it is sad. >> if you're a democrat who wants to have political power, do you want to be part of an institution controlled by mitch mcconnell? >> but if enough win it wouldn't be. >> look how poorly they did in 2018, and now they want to be president. >> they want to be tall. not everyone can have everything. >> right. hopefully some will drop out and run for senate. i think chuck schumer would be happy if that happened. the other thing about stacey abrams that's fascinating, where

are all the politically ambitious white men, concerned about democracy, not i'm so privileged and deserve to be president of the united states. if you're concerned and you're a politically ambitious white man, don't run for president if there are 23 others running and do something like stacey abrams is doing instead. >> because it always takes a woman. i'll give you the last word. >> i think stacey abrams would make a great addition because she's got the profile of the democratic party. the beating heart of the democratic party is african-american women -- >> it's heart, it's brain -- >> there's one candidate who fits that profile right now. >> indeed. >> i want to hear from you. >> i asked governor bull lock this morning on "morning joe." >> i saw. >> what is he going to say as he pivots to south carolina. he didn't have an answer.

i think if stacey abrams enters the race we'll see a sharpened discourse, a sharpened discourse around a number of issues. and it will make an interesting conversation. >> see i'd put her in there too if i was thinking of four people. >> and i decided not to run. >> i'm going to go to my computer and make that cover for you. >> did you tweet it? >> all right. after the break, nancy pelosi dangles the i word today as a way to combat the complete blockade of information, testimony, and document production from the white house. but are democrats really ready to ask? we'll ask a member of house leadership who joins us to detail the plan to fight white house stone walling and a lawless president. we'll be right back. d a lawless president. we'll be right back. prestigious jobs over the years. news producer, executive transport manager, and a beverage distribution supervisor. now i'm a director at a security software firm. wow, you've been at it a long time. thing is, i like working.

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the president's policy now, the president's posture now is making it impossible to rule out impeachment or anything else. the letter we got from the white house yesterday is beyond outrageous. obviously this flies in the face of 200 years of history. and if accepted would go a long way toward making the president, any president, a dictator, and we cannot accept it and we will not accept it. >> that was one of the top ranking democratics in congress, house judiciary committee chairman jerry nadler. ruling out a blanket letter for information his committee requested. and keeping the rank and file in line on impeachment.

former attorney general eric holder insisted this afternoon that there may already be grounds. >> there are grounds for impeachment. i said that if you look at the second part of the mueller report, there is no question that obstruction of justice does exist in the findings that bob mueller reported. and in pain staking detail. that in itself would be impeachment. i think the house needs to gather evidence, hear from bob mueller, get the entirety of the report and make a decision about whether or not they're going to go forward with an impeachment process. meanwhile, as we speak democrats are taking turns reading through the full redacted mueller report out loud right now on capitol hill. and joining us congresswoman katherine clark, who will take her turn reading the report later this evening. thank you for spending time with us. i want to ask you about attorney general holder's comments. i assume you've read the second

volume of the mueller report, the redacted version or have you been able to see any of the redacted material? >> i have not been able to see the unredacted material, but i've read the report made available to every american. and it lays out a harrowing tale. it's one we're committed in the house as democrats to making sure we pursue. that report put this issue of obstruction into congress' lap. we are going to pursue, justice, the facts and the truth. and that's why we're reading the mueller report tonight. to make sure this president and the attorney general and this administration understand we're not going away. we are going to be pursuing the facts with every way that we have. >> so what does that look like? if it's harrowing, why is nancy pelosi sort of putting out a story to "the washington post," that she's keeping the caucus in

order on impeachment, and no one is speaking out in meetings. is that a sign of strength or weakness? >> we may have in our caucus, we may disagree on the best ways to pursue impeachment or not, but we are in 100% agreement in holding this administration accountable. and that's what we're trying to do. >> i guess, how do you do that if they sent you a 12 page letter saying you're getting nothing and your leader has said we're not impeaching him? even the justice department will acknowledge privately there was some anticipation that the impeachment proceedings would be commenced and that would be the vehicle they would have to contemplate turning over evidence, so short of that how do you do anything you would like to do? >> you have never heard the speaker or any chairman take impeachment off the table. but impeachment is a highly divisive act to go through. a process that will be very difficult for this country and

our government. we are going to use every way to try and get this administration to be forthcoming, tell the truth. if they meet us with how they appear to be meeting every request to come testify, even subpoena, with a stonewall they have put around the white house and information, that is still one of the tools. but our constitutional responsibility is one of oversight. and we are going to use every tool that we have and try and get the information and the facts to the american people, and if we can do that without using a tool as divisive as impeachment, we're going to try to do that. but nobody has ever taken that off the table. our focus is accountability and making sure the american people get the full story. >> is there any sense that the fact that impeachment is unpopular is the best defense of heading down that path?

if it were popular, i assume you'd be facing questions from people like me about whether or not you were simply proceeding with impeachment because it was politically expedient. are there any conversations privately because it's polarizing because it's the politically perilous thing for you all to do, that's the justification -- if it's harrowing, i think that was your word, why not proceed with a process that gives you better tools? it seems the white house isn't responding to the tools you've deployed thus far. >> they haven't, and there's no road map with this congress -- i'm sorry with this president. i think you see a president and an administration that creates chaos. and frankly, he wants to use the whole situation to deflect from the issues we are working on, the legislation that is passing that affects real americans. let's start with health care, not only is he obstructing in areas regarding the mueller

report, he is obstructing our quest to get information on why this administration reversed course, joined a lawsuit that would completely undo the aca. going back to their previous stance of tripping away health care that is affordable and accessible for millions of americans. this week we're going to be passing legislation that will help curb these junk plans, which not a single one of them offers maternity benefits to women in this country. we're taking actions to reduce the cost of prescription drugs. these are the issues that donald trump and this administration and his enablers in the senate don't want to talk about, because they're the issues that are important to the american people, that are important to their economic, you know, realities that they face around their dinner tables. these are the issues that we are going to pursue and we have been working on every single day since we took the majority. these are the reasons that we

won in the midterms and we're sent here in congress to fight for the american voters. >> please come back, keep us posted. thank you so much. >> thank you, nicole. after the break, the table weighs in. is it time to impeach? does the congress need more tools? we'll be right back. ore tools? we'll be right back. (coughing) need a change of scenery? kayak searches hundreds of travel sites and filters by cabin class, wi-fi and more. so you can be confident you're getting the right flight at the best price. kayak. search one and done.

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we're back. eddie, we were fuming in the break -- i was fuming. but here's what i was trying to get at with the congresswoman. if impeachment were politically popular, i promise you the attack on democrats would be that they were pursuing it because it was politically expedient. if she believes that crimes were committed and that mueller unearthed them in the second volume of the obstruction report, i don't understand why the fact that impeachment is polarizing, it makes them just as cowardly as the republicans. >> absolutely. to my mind it's an abdication of

their constitutional responsibility. if it's the case they believe the president of the united states committed a crime, if it is the case, that i think it is, that there is an argument being made aggressively about a uni tearian executive, that undermines the separation of powers it is incumbent on the democratic party, the party that runs the house, the house of the people, to be the bearer of the constitution, our democracy. plus as a performative contradicti contradiction. you can't tell me on the one hand you're passing legislation knowing it's going to die in mcconnell's senate and tell me on the other hand we shouldn't impeach because it's going to die in the senate. you think we're boo-boo the fool, when, in fact, what it is at the end of the day you lack courage. if you lack courage in this dark time, our democracy is in peril. >> if you think it's too fuzzed up, if you don't think he did

anything wrong in the mueller probe. that explains not pursuing impeachment. but since the day the mueller report came out, i haven't heard a democrat say that. they say there's clear evidence, and close to 700 prosecutors signed a letter saying if he were anyone other than the president he would be indicted. >> in my own reporting, the answer is yes, there are many democrats that agree with eric holder, the mueller report was a submission to congress to have an impeachment inquiry. there's enough there, in volume 2, to outline many instances of obstruction but because it would die in the senate they are not going forward with it. now they're relegated to reading it on the floor, wherever they are in some conference room on c span that no one is watching because they believe they have to get the information before the american people. the original plan was to have the hearings but now the

stonewalling and obstruction has gotten so extreme they can't have the hearings because they can't get witnesses, the classified portions of the documents, which have been standard protocol in the past for these investigations. >> you can argue those are part of a referral that he's obstructing justice every day, not just in volume two. >> that's part of my reporting. is the obstruction going on now tantamount to article 3 of the impeachment articles filed against nixon. >> spend time on that. >> contempt of congress is obstructing congress' ability to fulfill its constitutional duty to perform oversight. nancy pelosi called that letter that the white house counsel, pat cipollone, sent to her outray joyou outrageo outrageous, because the argument the white house is making now is there's no oversight that you, congress, as a check and balance in our constitutional democracy can perform unless it has a

quote/unquote legislative goal, which is completely, nicole, not the case. >> if you started impeachment would you not need that excuse to have a legislative goal? >> it's the executive branch's responsibility to decide the legislative branch doesn't have legislative purpose. even the nixon administration answered subpoenas during watergate. >> any sentence that starts with even the nixon administration. >> we're in trouble. it is a hard decision, i'm not going to argue about that. i think it is. i remember when i was going in the state department, an old state department hand said to me, you're going to face these decisions, weigh these things, when in doubt do the right thing. that to me is like when in doubt do the right thing. >> i want to put this out there one more time and get your thoughts on this. i am not saying that i've decided impeachment is the right thing to do. but there are some statements in politics if x then y, if x is i

believe he committed crimes and that's what robert mueller's obstruction volume shows then y is i'm going to hold him accountable because i'm congress and that's my job. i don't see any gray there. i don't understand why the democrats are helping the white house fuzz it up. >> i don't want to relitigate this, but i think there was an assumption people had that when the mueller report came out, the violations of law would be so e agree egregious it would persuade 20 senators to vote for conviction, that obviously didn't happen. so it's up against this t junction where it's not going to any further. but your point is that it's the morally, eithically right thing to do. >> if he broke the law, if 700 prosecutors say if he was anybody else he would be indicted, if robert mueller wrote, if he didn't commit crimes i would exonerate him,

but -- >> it seems there's a little bit of fear, a lack of cohesive message, they haven't won the messaging wars on this at all and donald trump is winning the wars on this by saying the democrats are crying because the mueller report wasn't what they wanted. when i talk to voters across the country they say it would be unwise for democrats to continue with impeachment. i'm not sure why they think that. >> because they heard it from the white house, from republicans. if you like what jared kushner did with the middle east peace plan you're going to love the immigration policy. a package put together by kushner announced by president trump on the hill today. that story is next. hill today. that story is next everyone's got to listen to mom.

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capitol hill this week to tout his immigration proposal, his lack of experience was difficult to igs another "the washington post" reporting, quote, publically senators e merged from their weekly capitol hill luncheon applauding the white house pitch but then privately saying jared kushner couldn't answer questions, and stephen miller would take over the conversation. to be a fly on the wall. the presentation failed to convince many republicans in the room that real unity was at hand. joining our conversation julia ainsley. i saw you at 9:00 a.m. describe this policy package as dead on arrival. i've been wondering all day long how jared kushner and mr. miller ended up in charge of something that made its way to the rose garden today to come out of donald trump's lips as dead on arrival. that's political -- you know,

really political incompetence at an unbelievable level. >> maybe the one success is that jared kushner and stephen miller were able to agree on something when it comes to immigration. maybe that's the win they're taking home today. i will say jared kushner wanted to be this person to reach out to business leaders, reach across the aisle and come out with some compromise. he likes to be transparent on this process, we saw that on the hill. you can be transparent and still not be able to answer people's questions and that's apparently what happened when he met on the hill. one thing i will note they want this to be business friendly. bring in people on a merritt based visa system so you have to pass a civic's test you're brought in for points if speak english, have a job offer. this is supposed to seem like catnip to silicone valley who wants to bring in more workers.

but it wasn't accepted by tech ceos because it takes the visas out of their hands. they like to use visas as a magnet to pull people to the u.s. to come here and work these jobs but in this case it would bring people to the united states without a specific ploir in their hands. some people say that's a good thing, some of the workers aren't treated well because they have to be tied to the ployers. but i thought it was significant that jared kushner didn't have the success with the tech ceos that he wanted. and when it comes to the border, a lot of things that the president went through today, is what they've gone through before. and when you leave out a solution for dreamers or immigrants in the community already, that's what makes these things dead on arrival because they're not appealing to republicans or democrats today. >> i want to come back to something you said because the miscalculation on jared kushner's part, the one stinging rebuke that came flying into the

discourse immediately before the party was the business community peeling away from the trump white house after charlottesville. the idea that jared kushner thought he could get in the tunnel and pull in tech leaders after the hallmark of this presidency is the cruelty and bar baric nature, the brand on trump on immigration is child separation and jails. how did jared kushner think it would work in silicon valley with pods and naps and snacks? >> that's a good question. i think another piece of this is he thought reaching out somehow he could leave aside some other issues and more fly on the wall color, someone told me there was a call with the leaders that said what about dayca, these ar tech leaders. there's no way they're going to go for this.

they follow washington, know what's going on. he said that's old thinking. you shouldn't think about it and tried to pull the expert on them. and i don't think that went well. it's clear from the reaction today the ceos knew what they were talking about. >> julia ainsley, thank you for your reporting. and thank you to rick and eddie. we have to pick this up, are you guys free tomorrow to do it again? we're going to sneak in a break. we'll be right back. sneak in a. we'll be right back. with boost®. boost® high protein nutritional drink has 20 grams of protein, along with 26 essential vitamins and minerals your body needs. all with guaranteed great taste. and now try new boost® peaches and creme natural flavor. with 27 vitamins and minerals and 10 grams of protein. boost®. be up for life™.

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zbliefrmt thas pinch me moment for me. my friends are here because they wrote a book. it's awesome. >> thank you. >> i could go for the whole hour talking about everything you have done for me and then to me as a mentor and a model, as a human, and as a broadcaster, but this book is about good -- paying it forward for real. like people that are really -- that are going i said i want them. can they come on? talk about the book and why you guys did it. >> she has a great story, and i think that, you know, when she was pitching an idea to me, i kept asking her about her story, and i was riveted by her story. she told stories about how people would get access to big city jobs because shaes e that's had what she struggled doing.

she grew up as an undocumented immigrant and got a job in noork city by lying on every job application that she applied for. she washed her hair at port authority and showed up at the job interview. nailed it. zero pay. just an opportunity. unpaid internship. no problem. got four other jobs. made it happen. two years later, starts at the bottom at nbc. i'm, like, great idea. but, actually, it's your story that we need to tell as well.

>> when you are from limba, ohio, or kansas city or feel marginalized whether it's financially marginalized or culturally marginalized. this almost happened to me. you internalize kind of all the closed doors and the anxiety and the angst that goes with it. you can -- >> we still do that. >> last week, yesterday, tomorrow. >> it's so important that they know that they really can own their career narrative. >> how? >> and that's why we wrote this book. it's a complete guidebook.

the fist three jobs are the key jobds. data shows young women when they enter the work force, they are paid less than their male counterparts, and they never catch up. this book is so important because there are a lot of messages that you need to send at once as a young woman, and we teach you how to do that. >> have we learned as much from her as we have from meeka? >> i feel the same about these women, right? >> whenever i hear a story like this and there are so many more, i think about how many legs up i got. my parents pushing me forward in washington d.c. and i was a difficult child to raise and difficult at school.

i have to say thank you every day of my life, and this is one way to do it. >> you inspired me. what does this mean for you? >> in regards the doors closed behind me. that's true for all people. not just women. in temz of the cost of education and the barriers to lifting yourself to that next wrung, and you are of a different age group than i am, and that i'm so inspired to see that you did it. you made it. if you had to give us and tell us just kind of one or two main take-aways, what would it be? >> mistakes? okay. you work for, like -- you have an internship. you're starting out and there six months, and you are, like, hi, can i have a talk with you about my career. this happens. this happens to me.

i'm, like, what's your name? there's a lot of different messages you have to send, and also not jumping the gun. daniela worked for me for two years running scripts, bringing coffee. this was after her time at the first place at p. diddy, and i remember our nickname for her was adderall because -- >> can i truth squad this, though? everyone that asks you for advice, you stop what you are doing, even if your television show is on the air, and you find someone -- that's -- you stop whatever you are doing no matter who comes to you and -- >> this is different. this story -- this story was so important. you know what, can you believe the timing? we wouldn't have thought that the conversation would be how, but this is the american dream. i also feel like women who have made it, you, me, all of us, we have a responsibility to, like, take a chance on someone.

skbro my parents had no idea, and it reduces that stig is ma we feel. like you said, internalize every single day even now thinking i don't belong in this room. there's no one here who looks like me. i don't belong -- wear the same clothes as them. beam ask, oh, i love that dress. reasonable doubt. >> i want to ask what else we can do. still, it's a gesture. this thing about clothes is nothing. it is not nothing. no one will tweet about what

anything wrote on television, and there will be tweets about what one of us is wearing. what else could we do? what else? what is sort of the -- not the actual closet, but what does it look like that we throw open? >> the closet -- what is the closet? >> what do we give women coming up behind us? >> two years in when i asked her her story, she knew her timing. it's -- it's a lot to --

>> you guys are all amazing. i'm so blessed to sit here with all of you. thank you. if you don't have this book already, buy it. it's called "earn it!" read it and tweet all of us about it. we'll keep talking about it. thank you so much for watching. i'm nicole wallace. how jealous are you, chuck? >> i'm always jealous. i'm always jealous. that's a fun table. well done, nicole. hi to everybody. good evening. i'm chuck todd here in washington. it's thursday. the president hopes to not to go to war with iran. democrats hope bob mueller wants to testify, and nancy pelosi hopes the threat of impeachment will force them to obey their subpoenas. we have a lot to get to tonight, but we begin with a freight train heading towards 2020. then honestly neither side seems to be ready for. floodgates are opening after alabama's governor kay ivy signed into law the country's most restrictive abortion law.