back. can i tell you, earlier today the show we were getting so dark in the break and said we needed puppy cam to make people happy. look the you delivering! >> i know! i'm not letting you have all of the fun. you get cute little boys and babies. so i got a baby too! he does not want to hear me talk about donald trump though. >> no. here we go, my friend. i will see you tomorrow. hi, 9:00 noon in the east, 12 in the west, welcome to "weekends with alex witt." joe biden's big pitch. where he stands in the poll r polls. migrant detainees, where they are and being flown to another state. and bill barr facing questions about who he serves, the president or the public? plus, omarosa, she's joining

me to talk about equal pay and whether new abortion laws could backfire on the gop. we begin with the battle for 2020, certainly a crowded day on the campaign trail. got 11 candidates, hold something to dozen events across several different states. joe biden will be keeping up momentum as the front-runner of this day, leading the field 35% in the new fox poll. now even though he announced his presidential run a few weeks ago, biden is comparing for the official campaign kickoff rally where you see it in philadelphia. in just about an hour the former vice president will fully lay out the final phase of his campaign rollout as he calls to unify the country. we're going to the big rally there and we have nbc's garrett haake, and bernie sanders is live in orangeburg, south carolina, where he just wrapped up a town hall. we will start with mike in philadelphia.

what can we expect this afternoon in about an hour and change from now? >> alex, good afternoon from what is really a postcard afternoon here in the heart of philadelphia. the word of the day you hib able to see it on screens behind me, united. joe biden's been in the race for president a little over three years. visiting the early states, new hampshire, south carolina, nevada but today pennsylvania is seen as a capstone of this rollout and really a chance for the vice president to focus on what they believe is a winning message for them and that is unifying the country. let me read a little bit from the vice president, what we expect to hear him say today. he's going to say -- if the american people want a president to add to our division, lead with a clenched fist, closed hand and heart hard, demonize the opponent and spew hatred, they don't need me. i'm running to offer our country, republicans and democrats, a different path. this rhetoric from the vice president gets squarely they heart of the most important debates of the primary and there are a lot of potentials that

think he's being naive, that in this climate there isn't a chance to work across party lines anymore. i had a chance to ask the vice president about that earlier in new hampshire. let's listen to how he answered that question. >> if you noticed, mitch mcconnell and i, we're friends and worked out every deal. people said you can't deal with mitch mcconnell but you can deal with reality. and the reality is there's an awful lot that can be done. >> biden saying in this speech he believes democrats do want to unify the nation. there's a lot of symbolism with the choice of philadelphia as a rally. the vice president will talk about the place our founding documents were written. and political symbolism in this rally, the biden campaign believes the road to the white house is won or lost here in pennsylvania. and a new quinnipiac shows joe biden leads president trump in a match here 53% to 42%. we will see him wind down a little bit and begin to focus on

the all-important debate at the end of june. that will be a critical moment, testing whether joe biden can maintain the front-runner status he has now. >> that will be a huge test. we will check back in. that is supposed to get under way in about an hour or so. sounds good. thank you for that. let's go to garrett haake with the sanders campaign in south carolina. garrett, good day to you. let's get the latest on sanders' southeastern swing here. >> alex, good afternoonl. we're about two days in for a four-day swing for bernie sanders across the southern states that proved problematic for him in his primary campaign last time. he has to do better here with african-american voters in particular if he wants to improve upon his 2016 results and actually be the democratic nominee. yesterday two big rallies in north carolina and today in orangeburg, south carolina, senator sanders unveiled his

education plan. it is robust and deals a great deal with teachers' pay. >> teachers must be honored and respected. so if we are a nation that can provide contracts to baseball players for hundreds of millions of dollars, don't tell me we cannot pay teachers in this country the kind of wages and salaries they deserve. . >> and what are those wages and salaries, alex? it would set a pay nationwide of $60,000 and banning outright private charter schools, putting a moratorium on the expansion of public charter schools, making sure students have year-around meals in schools. students cannot learn if they're hungry. and it massively expands after-school activities in public schools. what's missing from this plan,

an overall price tag how to pay for it, alex. >> can i ask you, do you get any sense folks in the sanders campaign are rattled at all by joe biden and his surge in virtual chul virtu virtual virtually every poll out there? >> i think sanders felt like it would be them and someone else down the stretch, much as it was in 2016. sanders against the liberal hillary clinton. being the alternative to joe biden is a space they're comfortable operating in. i think the rest of us feel the scattered and dividing the opposition to biden, this would like to see the other supporters coalesce around him who would not be as comfortable with the joe biden campaign. but the sanders campaign will run the campaign they want to run and they are preparing for a very long race. >> which means you will be out on the campaign trail for quite some time, and we will see a lot

of you. garrett haake, thank you for that. also coming up -- how the trump administration is grap elg with the overflow of immigrants at the border. detention facilities overwhelmed so they're planning to fly up to 3,500 migrants mostly families up to three times a week from holding centers in texas to california. "the new york times" reports asylum seekers could be sent to centers across the u.s., including along the border with canada. some cities being considered include miami, buffalo, new york and detroit. this morning a democratic congresswoman from detroit told me police and other officials there are concerned about this plan. >> both sides have to figure out how to come to the table, keep the people safe, address humanitarian issues and make sure we have labor where labor is need ed and stop playing games. that's all this is.

it's been two decades and we cannot deal with one of the most pressing problems addressing this nation. >> meanwhile the house judiciary committee is scheduled for next tuesday, the testimony of mueller's star witness on obstruction, that being former white house counsel don mcgahn but that may be unlikely because the white house is trying to block all current and former aides from cooperating. a top member of the judiciary committee is outlining their next move. >> i think there's a major breakthrough coming, joy, which is up until now the press has basically framed this, are you for impeachment or are you against impeachment? in some sense that's the long question. that's the very end of the analysis, end of the process. what we're focused on how is should we have an impeachment inquiry? more people think this is inescapable and inevitable to vi vindicate the constitution and rule of law. >> also new today, clashes this

time around with policy towards iran with national security adviser john bolton reportedly clashing with secretary of state mike pompeo. and three trump administration officials telling "the washington post" senior adviser stephen miller tried to have another shake-up at the department of homeland security. but the acting secretary prevented it. the president just blaming the media. >> these people, they put out messages that i'm angry with my people. i'm not angry. they make it sound like it's a conflict but they put out false -- confidential sources. you ever notice they never write the names of people anymore. everything is a source says. there is no source. the person doesn't exist. the person is not alive. it's bull [ bleep ], okay? [ bleep ]. >> so presidential there. joining me now, gabby oar, white house reporter from political co, peter baker chief white

house reporter for "the new york times" and brian bennett, senior white house correspondent for "time" magazine. let's get right into this here. peter, i will begin with you. the president certainly pushing back as you heard there using such colorful language against all of the reports of conflict between him, bolton, secretary pompeo. he said he's the one making the calls on iran. where does the truth lie? >> well, look, he's always denied things that turned out to be true. this is not unusual. i remember one time he went off on a tangent like you just showed saying there's no source for this particular story. the source turned out to be someone his white house put at the podium to brief reporters and that person didn't exist. i will take all of the comments with a grain of salt. sometimes it's a sign to talk to the president at times and then goes out and complains they're not real. there's a little bit of a game playing when that kind of thing

happens. yes, there are conflicts inside this white house and signed this administration. it's not surprising there would be. the president even admits sometimes there are disagreements, he just doesn't like the word in-fighting. that's fine. but they are important issues and go to a deep and fundamental divide between interventionism and pulling back. this is the president who ran on the idea of pulling back from endless wars, he called it, overseas and hired people around him, republican that's believe we have more of a responsibility and should be assertive and forward-leading on issues like iran. >> with regard to this iran, peter, and these leaks that are presumably coming from inside the white house, it might portray more dysfunction at the white house but on the flip side, what we are hearing would suggest the president is being more measured on iran. are these the same sources who call out the president when he's demonstrating these more rational episodes? >> it's interesting, right. his first generation national security team is perceived to be

the people holding him back, jim mattis, rex tillerson, the grown-ups in the room restraining this volatile president. now we see it the other way around in a way, people around him like john bolton and , mike pompeo, are more hawkish and these seen as being reluctant to using more military force, resistant to what's happening. he's been quoted saying john bolton, if it was up to him, i would already be in four wars. he means it as a joke but it goes to a pretty important instinct on his part, which the people around him are more willing to use military force than he is. >> there's also a reporter standoff between stephen miller and the acting secretary at the department of homeland security. "the post" is citing three trump administration officials on this. what is your read on this apparent dysfunction in the west wing? >> i mean, we've known for quite a while now stephen miller is trying to implement significant

changes at dhs and throughout the immigration system. he's run into trouble for. he got his pick as acting secretary kevin mclennan at the agency but now as acting secretary saying look, i'm in charge here. this is an agency where i need to oversee personnel changes and stephen miller seems to be, from what we've seen and "the washington post" is reporting and also from what i heard from white house officials, seems to be standing up and standing in the way of the acting dhs secretary. one of the things that he tried to do this past week behind the scenes wa to erase the nomination essentially of mark morgan to take over as acting director of i.c.e. he wanted to keep the deputy secretary, who is currently in the secretarying role there, in place and move mark morgan over to cdp. it's just contributing to ongoing morale problems across all of these different departments, not only to know that they have no permanent

heads in place at a lot of these agencies but also the ongoing tension between the acting dhs secretary and one of the president's top officials. >> let me get this straight, one of the president's top officials thinks he's going to help put somebody into place who he could have at times maybe be his puppet, right? he could be the person for which he could funnel certain trump administration policies and urge him and now that acting secretary is saying, i think we're going to do it this way and it may be different than what you want? >> that's exactly what's happening here. i think that's really frustrating for stephen miller because we know before that he has had people in dhs who he's called regularly, who he tried to pressure into putting forward his agenda and that hasn't worked previously and doesn't seem to be working now either. >> to what extent, brian, do you think the president worries about the appearance of him not being in control of his own cabinet? >> i think he does worry about that. i think he likes to be seen as somebody who is giving orders

and having them followed. he likes to have people below him that he thinks are loyal to him specifically and his political interests and that's where a lot of this discrepancy is coming from. the president is now looking forward to 2020. he wants to go back to his supporters and say i fromme ipr i would keep you out of foreign wars and build a wall and have mexico play for it and deal with the illegal immigration problem. now he's looking at this cognitive disowe dance inside hissed station being policies more aggressive towards iran and military planning against that and he's uncomfortable with that and doesn't want it to look like with his base he's getting ready to do another intervention. same thing with the wall. he's been in office 2 1/2 years and there are more and more families coming over the border. he's not been able to stem is that tide. that is incredibly frustrating for him.

i think a lot of the chaos you see him surrounding advisers in dhs and all of the acting positions is he's still trying to figure out how to get his policies implemented in a way he feels like he could go to my base and say look, i told you i would fix this problem and i did and all of the solutions so far have not stemmed that tide. he's frustrated and the turnover is a reflection of that. >> brian brought us to a point talking about immigration and your paper is reporting a retire move by the trump administration to fly migrants from texas to california, could be expanded by sending asylum seekers to processing centers throughout the united states. what is your assessment of this move? >> there's a serious issue at the border, no question about that. they are in fact overwhelmed, facilities not able to handle what's happening right now. the question is, this is an administration that has sent signals it's willing to play politics on this kind of thing. that notably raises questions about credibility whenever they come up with a proposal like this. remember the president was

purported to be considering a policy to send migrants to democratic districts, safe sanctuary cities, in order to punish them they shumt have the policies they advocate. he sen his aides said no, we're not considering that and the president said yes, actually, i am. so the problem is when they're dealing with a genuine issue and genuine response has seen a filter of politics. that's going to be a problem for this administration, even as it tries to grapple with something that is genuinely a problem. >> i'm just about out of time. brian, i want to ask you a question about trade because i know you wrote about it with regard to the president's 25% tariff on china, could be the riskiest move yet. he's taking that risk. give us a sense on the white house's thinking how far the president goes on this. >> trump is incredibly frustrated he hasn't been able to get china to trade its trading practices and come with media examples of they are

willing to do on trade. it's based on his promise, that he would go tough on china's bad trays practices and he's trying to use tariffs to do that. and he was hoping the 25% would bring china to the negotiating table with something seriously real and not just a promise to buy more soy beans and that just isn't materialized. we will have to see how that plays out over the next several weeks and months but it's a reflection of the president wanting to get china to change, and seeing his terror strategy is not working. >> speaking of soybeans, gabby, you wrote about that and how farmers were asked to make sacrificial sacrifices in this trade war. >> yes, the president has a me for sacrifice from the american familiarer, part of the message he's asking in the trade war against china. he said if only american farmers can endure the short-term pain of this trade war, there will be long-term gain and long-term prosperity for all americans.

it's sort of a unique pitch that also weaves itself into his 2020 message about patriotism and sacrifice. very nationalistic in the tone. that's something i spoke with a lot of officials this week that said it's deliberate and the president and his campaign think that this is a message that will actually boost his efforts to negotiate a deal with china. >> i don't know with farmers, it was supposed to be short term and this looks a lot longer than short. gabby, peter, brian, thank you guys so much. good to see you all. the most restrictive abortion ban in the country is signed into law in alabama. the two women who voted against it will explain what it could mean for roe v. wade. some things are out of

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it's not just about opening up your home; it is also about opening up your heart. consider fostering. >> shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame! >> protesters in missouri after the republican-led state congress voted to ban abortions after eight weeks of pregnancy with no exception for rape or incest. seven other stalts have passed anti-abortion bills, including alabama, where the governor signed into law the country's most restrictive abortion ban. it makes it a crime for doctors to perform abortions at any stage of a pregnancy, with the exceptions for when the women's health is at risk but not for rape or incest. all of the 25 senate votes in favor of the abortion ban in alabama were from republican men. the two democratic female

senators put up a fight. >> republicans, you guys used to say we want the government out of our life. now you're in any womb! women are going to stand up and say regardless of what you say, we will take a stand and show you that you will be out. >> do you know what it's like to be raped? >> no, i don't. >> do you know what it's like to have a relative commit incest on you? >> no, i don't. >> to take that choice away from that person who had such a traumatic act committed against them, you are playing god. >> quite a powerful exchange right will. and those two alabama senators are joining me right now. i'm glad to welcome senator davis figures and coleman madison. ladies, welcome. thank you for your bold voting,

bold discussions here. look, some opponents of abortion hopes your state's abortion ban will help overturn roe v. wade. so this law would go into effect for six months, right? do you, a, expect that to happen? and b, how else can you and your colleagues protect women who want or need an abortion? >> unfortunately that law is going to go into effect in mid-november of this year. if their plan back fires, that means so many women in alabama are going to be denied the proper health care they deserve and they have a right to. the other thing about this bill, part of the bill says anyone who performs an abortion. we go to our doctors and sometimes the doctors have to do certain procedures, and that may be an abortion, such as a d & c if the woman is pregnant. but then that needs to be done

according to what is happening with her body. so it's going to be a shame if this law actually goes into effect in november and their plan does not happen as they want it to with going to the u.s. supreme court and trying to overturn roe versus wade. >> may i just confirm there are only three places in the state of brm bm where currentalabama receive an abortion, correct? >> it's either two or three. they are saying this law is just for the doctors performing abortions. so your other ob/gyns are not but it's going to affect them too. if there's any question about a baby have not been taken and it wasn't to necessarily protect the baby's life or whatever, the woman could have just had a terrible, terrible infection or something. so it's very -- it's a very ambiguous, confusing, piece of legislation.

which they admit to and which cannot be enforced. >> so among conservatives that do not support this ban, top house republican kevin mccarthy, also televangelist pat robertson. let's listen to them. >> it goes further than i believe, yes. i have defended my pro-life conviction through my whole career. but i also believed in options for victims of rape and incest. >> i think alabama has gone too far. my humble view, this is not the case to bring to the supreme court because i think we would lose. >> is there something about alabama politics that made them go even further than longtime conservative voices on this issue? what about alabama politics makes this viable for those who voted for it? >> you know, that's difficult to determine. alabama has always been one that we want to be the leader and

it's things like this deal was all about being the one to reach the top of the hill to plant the flag, to be the first one to not roe v. wade off. this is not the first time senator figures and i and others who have come before us, we fought this battle for several years. i have been in the senate 17 years and really about 10 years is now this bill has been brought every year. about five years ago there was a bill, the probing bill, and it was all about the abortion rights -- not about abortion rights of women but the bottom line is it required before a woman had an abortion, that she would be subjected to a probe that was about 12 to 14 inches long. of course, it was introduced by a male senator. and the point being is that if a woman refused to go through this test, she would not be able to have the abortion. so the concept was that i guess you're going to strap her down, make her have the probe, and

watch the fetus in their womb before she made the decision to have the abortion. so alabama has always gone the extreme to try to be number one in this particular area. but this really cuts to the heart of it, because as i was telling the senator that sponsored this bill, this is not personal and i don't take it personal, this is an affront, it is an attack on all women. you have wives, you have daughters, you have a mother. don't tell me that if one of those persons were raped and they got pregnant, you would abide by the law that you now stand to report and say you will carry out. >> there was a poll in 2018, it was commissioned by planned parenthood, and it found only 16% of voters in alabama say abortions should be banned, except when the woman's life is in danger. senator figures, that would subject only 16% of voters may support that ban. how do you think this plays out next time voters in alabama go

to the polls? >> let me tell you, this has energized women and actually men too, but especially women. this is sort of like the straw that broke the camel's back, if you will. they see they are tired of all of these things going on around them. and the republicans can be so contradictory. they talk about transparency and wanting to put government out of their lives as senator coleman madison mentioned when she was on the floor but then they turn around and they want to be in your bedroom, in you're womb as senator madison said. it's very contradictory. i want them to be consistent. if you're pro-life, be pro-life through until the child becomes an adult. be pro-life with the children that are already among us, giving them a quality and excellent education, giving them quality and excellent health care, which they would not even expand medicaid, which is one of the amendments that i offered.

because what's going to happen is when this law goes into effect and women will not have those clinics to go to, to get an abortion if that's her choice, they're going to -- some of them are going to try to have them on their own, which is going to end up the way it was prior to roe versus wade coming into effect. so it's going to be an awful, awful situation in alabama. >> ladies, i am unfortunately out of time for this conversation. but powerful comments from both of you, both on the tape that we played as well as right here. i thank you very, very much for speaking out with us. i appreciate it. >> thank you. former washington insider only ross omarosa weighs in on the white house power struggle and why she's decided to join a gender pay gap lawsuit against her former boss. former boss. [knocking]

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the home of rocky balboa, philadelphia, awaiting the arrival of the candidate leading all 2020 contenders. moments from now expect joe biden to take the stage and speak at his unite america kickoff rally and, of course, we

will bring you his remarks when he begins. let's go back to nbc's mike memoli. he's in philadelphia with an esteemed guest, another top democrat from delaware. to you, mike. >> alex, i'm here with senator christopher who was here when joe biden announced. what is the senator's mood today? >> he was upbeat about today and he knows polls will go up and go down but what matters most is helping the average american understand his heart, his values, his priorities for our country. i think we will hear a very positive message from joe today. this is a community who knows joe. he's represented our region for decades as the delaware senator and as our vice president. i think he's going to do really well in philadelphia today. >> he will be talking a lot about unifying the country. there are a lot of people who think that's not possible anymore, we're in such a polarized environment. is he naive? what makes joe biden break from

the political log jam? >> he deeply believes in us and recognizes if we cannot bridge the divides in our country, we're not going to get anything accomplished in this century. joe nerss as someone who has served the public across several administrations but most importantly vice president that if congress cannot work together, we cannot fight the things that need to be resolved, reducing prescription drug prices, rebuilding our character e. strengthening the world stage. he believes it is possible for us to come together not just as politicians but as families and a country. >> there are what, 22, 23 candidates -- >> 24, 25. maybe someone announced today. >> when you see the candidates come back from the campaign trail, what are you hearing for them about what they're saying? >> so for all are optimistic partly because they love the people they're hearing from. one of the great things about running for president, i understand from those doing it,

being in iowa and new hampshire and south carolina, you get to hear from middle americans and what they really care about. frankly, a lot of less excited about past destine bickering than hearing solutions to the problems that fame them and their families. we know this will wind down at some point but this is an early stage where all of the candidates are being quite positive. >> alex, about a half hour away from hearing from the vice president himself. the crowd filling in. at least 2,000 so far and we're a couple days away from hearing from president trump. he will be down the road at a rally in pennsylvania as well. >> we are keeping our eye on the scene there as well as you, senator coons. thank you so much. omarosa weighs in on the tension grippaling the oval office and joins me next. e next

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developing this hour, new tensions in the trump administration and stephen miller right in the center of it. three trump administration officials tell "the washington post," acting homeland security director kevin mcaleenan threatened to step down this week in fact in response to miller's attempt to dictate agency hirings. joining me now to discuss many things, omarosa numen, former director of communications for the office of public liaison in the white house and also author of the best seller "unhinged: an insider's account of the trump white house." i so remember reading that book.

it was so darn entertaining. having said that, from your time inside the white house, looking at stephen miller, how much influence do you think he really has? >> stephen has a significant amount of influence and he has the president's ear. it was interesting sitting in those senior staff meetings with him because he was always kwie eliminat -- quiet. he would take in what everybody was saying and then go to the president and leverage his agenda, he is clever and knows how to get the policies he wants across. >> are you saying he would throw others under the bus? >> oh, all the time. he's so strategic he plays both sides to the middle and gained the trust and ear of the president and that's all that matters in this game of thrones that is the trump administration. >> do you think this is the beginning of the end for him? do you think we can see further resistance from stephen miller whether it's focusing on dhs or

or facets of the add sflags. >> stephen miller made it very clear from the beginning about his bullet to points and what he wanted from immigration. we've seen that getting approved, separating family at the border, moving people across the border to sanctuary cities, stephen miller. i don't doubt whatever he wants to advance with any of these policies, he will get it done. >> i want to get to the other reason we brought you on. the pay discrimination lawsuit that's been filed and against the president and 2016 campaign overall. the motion was filed a bit earlier this week by alvin johnson that claimed the campaign paid women -- >> 18.2%. >> there there were points it was greater than that. >> yes, 27%. >> essentially significantly less than male counterparts, however you are going to count it. i know you're looking to join in this lawsuit. officially have you done that?

will you do that? and why? >> we filed a filing monday of last week to join this lawsuit. earn the reason i wanted to join is the wage gap is increasing under the trump administration. and during the can campaign, little to my knowledge, that donald trump was going out of his way to pay women less and we saw that in the reporting from the sec filings and it continues even this day. it carried over into the inauguration and transitioning and happening with the political appointments in the administration. specifically in 14 days donald trump's campaign will have to answer to this filing to account for why they paid women less than men on the campaign. >> what can their answer possibly be? >> i don't know because the numbers don't lie. i'm very curious to see what trump and pence will say. but i also want to hear from kelly ann, who was the head of this campaign. a woman leading this campaign that was successful, why she

would allow women to be treated this way. under her tenure at the helm of this campaign. mr. did you know you were being paid less while you were working tonight campaign? >> no, i did not know. until i saw the data in front of me, i was surprised. and i talked to several women who are also going to join this effort and they were told the same thing, this is exactly what we're paying your male counterparts and we learned that, too, is is a lie. >> the numbers say one thing and let me say what the trump administration he said, that's never discriminated based on rarks ethnicity, gyppedender or other bias. >> think didn't but their dollars did. you have to put your money where your mouth is and in this case their money was on the men. wage gap, equal pay for equal worth, we see what women are

struggling to make against the men, and i think as the leader of the country should certainly respect women more. >> do you think the current situation in the white house supports this gender pay gap? >> yes, if you look at the 25 appointees in the trump administration, the women are all being paid 75% on the dollar to men. >> you render me speechless when you hear these kinds of things. it's remarkable. let's turn to a new article that comes from "the atlantic " "which gives a look at how it becomes common practice for trump aides to slow walk or flat-out dis obey orders in hopes the president is just going to forget it hasn't been followed up upon. this kind of disobedience, if you want to call it that, is it something you witnessed? >> i wrote about this in "unhinged" and i got criticism for not taking memos off donald trump's desk or giving him short

menus, one, he has a short attention span and two they were illegal, unethical or immoral. it could put the country in a bad situation and also put you in a legal position. that's the reason many staffers ignore the requests the president makes. >> did you point that out to the president? suppose you said to him, sir, this is illegal. could you have done that? what would the response have been? >> in seeing the mueller report, it happened quite often where he asked people to break the law or do things that were unethical. we saw when people pushed back like mcghan, he will lash out at them. that's the consequence. >> omarosa, always good to see you. come see me again. meanwhile as joe biden prepares to take the stage 2e big kickoff rally in philadelphia, holds a big lead in the democratic field but there's a concerted effort by one group to defeat biden. we will talk about that. about g montage of comfort.

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this monday, the president will be making his own stop there for a maga rally. joining me now, danielle moody mills, republican rick tyler and msnbc analyst and the spokesperson for justice democrats. welcome to all three of you. let's go ladies first with you, danielle. what do the democrats want to hear from joe biden in his rally today? >> i would say a lot of democrats really want to hear a little bit more than the kumbaya he's been offering to people. joe biden is a throwback nostalgic which i say in america right now maybe they need a hug but they also need a fighter. so i think what folks want to hear from joe biden is he's going to be able to go to toe to toe with trump that he knows how to push back. instead of just saying we need to hold hands and collaborate and cross over the aisle, that we need to actually get the job

done which is move forward a progressive agenda for america and i think that's what democrats want to hear right now. >> okay. we will look for those specifics. these early numbers are pretty sool idly in biden's favor. 39.1% leading the entire democratic field by, would you look at that, more than 20 points. that is being seen as a very good omen for electability, especially when you factor in matchups against the president, which also have him ahead. yes just as democrats put a target on his back. tell me why and couldn't that backfire? >> yes, from time to time throughout his leadership joe biden has been on the wrong side of history. over the past 30, 40 years over his political career he voted for the war in iraq, crime bill that oversaw mass incarceration in this country, credit card companies, and thing that's dogged hillary clinton in 2008 when barack obama challenged her

on those issues and drew from her support in 2016 when bernie sanders went after her on those issues. they're the same thing that will likely appeal from a wide variety of candidates who want a face of leadership in the democratic party, democrat that's are going to fight, democrats who are not going to do this kumbaya thing as mentioned early. democrats who will put together a policy vision to govern over the series of crises the government is facing, rising nationalism, 12 years to address the climate crisis for skyrocketing health care costs. biden has not necessarily demonstrated he wants to focus on plsy. instead he wants to focus on the fact he stood next to barack obama over the past eight years. >> that is maybe to this point but as didn'tanielle was pointi out, they were more specific

about policy. we have to know what any candidate stands on that. but with regard to electability, it seems the dominance factor weighing in, so my question, if he's the most electable, ultimately, where do you stand on that? would you absolutely see him in over donald trump? >> absolutely not. we will support the democratic nominee, whoever that is. but we are concerned about electability because as we saw in the midwest in 2016 for a variety of reasons democrat $not turn out. partly voter suppression and partly lack of motivation. decline in households of african-american areas and young people. and that's why i'm leery about crowning joe biden right now. i think he thinks about moderation and i think it's about motivation. >> quickly, rick, i know i'm just about out of time at the top of the hour, but the fox

news showing candidates in the head to head against the president, biden's got the biggest lead 49% to trump's 38% there. but then you have bernie sanders, elizabeth warren are coming out ahead. look at the column there for trump. it never gets above 41%. what's the significance of this? >> joe biden is a wide lead in a very long race. he's the establishment in this race, the democratic party is comfortable with him. the largest voting block in the democratic party is actually over 50. the party is actually more conservative then you would think. and they're comfortable with joe biden. so if he doesn't stumble, this is his race to lose. bernie is actually fading. the debate will be very important because i think you will see someone else from the progressive side. a lot of people want someone who's more progressive and will have a chance to emerge. right now this is joe biden's race to lose. >> i'm getting fwrord my executive producer we would love

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campaign kickoff, everyone. we're in philadelphia with joe

biden is making a case for unity. bad for business, where and why the trump name is seeing losses. alabama's abortion ban and a new take on what it could mean for 2020. good day to all of you from nbc headquarters in new york. we will begin with a crowded day on the campaign trail. 11 candidates holding two dozen events across seven different states. joe biden keeping up his momentum as the front-runner leading to this day, although he announced his presidential run three weeks ago he's getting set to set the stage for his official campaign kickoff rally in philadelphia, just minutes from now. the former vice president will fully lay out the final phase of his campaign lay outas he calls to unify the country. let's go to mike memoli. we should let you know garrett

haake is also following closely democratic candidate bernie sanders. but we're starting with you, mike memoli in philadelphia. what can we expect? is there any sense on how much detail of policy we may or may not get in this speech? it's something guests of mine have been calling for. >> yes, it will be interesting, looking forward to more details from the vice president on policy. not today. today is about unifying the country. alex, i have been covering campaigns for a number of years and it's interesting how they desired to stage these events. if i point in the opposite direction of the stage you have the philadelphia museum of art, of course, famous rocky steps, image invoking a fighter but that's not the message the biden campaign wants to put forward today. today is about unifying the country. in the remarks from the vice president in the next half hour, he will be addressing one of those major debates within the democratic party about whether their candidate should be

somebody who takes the fight to trump. let me read a little bit about what we will hear, if the american people want a president to add to our division, lead to clenched fist and closed hand and hard heart, they don't hate me. they have a president who does that. i'm running to offer our country, republicans, democrats, independents a different path. alex as i serd you in the in the last hour, some of the guests talking about whether the party would be more energized we spoke with senator chris coons and i also spoke to another delaware center who served with joe biden a number of years. let's hear him weigh in on this debate as well. >> we need somebody who cannot just unite our party but our country. joe can do that. we need somebody who can help actually restore our standing in the world more than anyone else running, maybe more than anyone combined. they know him and like him. that could be a great thing

these days. >> what we've seen so far is joe biden's biggest strength is his perceived strength in the general election matchup against donald trump. that's part of why they're here in philadelphia. there's a pennsylvania show from quinnipiac showing him with a clear lead over donald trump. those two going head to head here, as donald trump speaks on monday, he will be addressing pennsylvania voters as well. >> mike memoli laying it all out for us, we will stay closely trained on what's happening there and let you know when joe biden takes the stage. we got into a technical difficulty with garrett haake's picture. he's in a car traveling bernie sanders do his second campaign of the day so we will bypass garrett and get back when we get that picture back. rejoining me now republican strategist rick tyler and the spokesperson for justice democrats. unfortunately, danielle couldn't stick around but i'm glad you're

here. walid, we spoke earlier why democrats support joe biden. "the hill" reports biden is breaking with obama and moving left. does that ease some of the justice democrats concern? can he become the candidate want and the one with the best chance to beat president trump? >> i think it goes to show how holding your leaders accountable, pushing and pressuring them does move the sint center of the debate in the democratic party. right now the centrist was the position in 2008 and 2009. so if joe biden did do that, it would be great to see but i have no sense will he do that. but he's doubling do on rhetoric, i will not be a, quote, angry candidate.

he will focus on trump and not policy. what we want to hear is he will governor through a series of life expect ensy, declining the third straight year in america. i don't hear joe biden talking about the systemic crises that were around before donald trump and paved the way for him to be elected. his campaign slogan is make america great again, things where are great in 2015, 2014. i don't think it's what we need in this moment, so many stru structural crises. and kamala harris, elizabeth warren, bernie sanders giving a very different message. >> absolutely. we were told not to expect a lot of policy details with this speech coming up. look, we have debates and a long time to run so we will see what policy is revealed, but request i a can i ask who you think has the

best chance to bring president trump? >> right now giving our democracy and society and economy, those candidates whether it's someone like elizabeth warren or bernie sanders or kamala harris, i think they have been doing a lot to really center a governing vision for the country, for the democratic faert party, what the democratic party stands for. in 2016 that was a big question asked, what does the democratic party stand for? i'm afraid going into 2020 we're still not going to be able to answer that question. >> rick, we have the president, who heads to pennsylvania for his own rally that happens in two days monday. unemployment there is now at 3.8%, but right now quinnipiac university has biden still with an 11-point lead there. what do you make of that? >> well, tell me the number again. >> biden has an 11-point lead there but the 11-point lead over donald trump in the state of pennsylvania, but let's look at unemployment, it's down to 3.8%.

you would think if it's all about the economy, stupid, as people say repeatedly, let's delete the stupid, but you know what i'm saying, if it's all about the economy, how is it donald trump is not doing better in the polls right now? >> yeah, not just there but if it was all about the economy and all about the stock market and all about unemployment, donald trump would be at 70% and there would be nobody challenging him for president. the fact is he can never get out of the 30s and 40s and here's joe biden's theory of the race. theerty of the race from him as i hear it if want someone to act like donald trump, that's not me, right. what he's saying, because races all about -- every election is about contrast. he's now raised more money than everybody thought he would, he went up in the polls, not down, like everybody thought he would. today he will check off the next box. we will see how he does with this rally. but now he's really in a head to head, he's treating this like he's in a general election with

donald trump, and guess what? donald trump is playing along. when he says to unite the country, what he's saying is if you want more four years of chaos -- remember donald trump had one successful trade deal, that was the deal in south korea which means americans can't buy korean pickup trucks for whatever reason, there's chaos in the middle east, there's chaos in north korea, on and on and on, and things that he listed, mike memoli, in his speech today, so thinks theory of the race by contrast is you know who i am. you know i'm joe biden. i was vice president with barack obama. if you like things the way they were they were then. we will get the policy. he's only been in the race a little monk a week. >> thank you both for sticking around past the top of the hour and joining me. i appreciate it very much. you're now able to leave. thank you, guys. also happening today, new

reporting how the trump administration is grappling with the overwhelming flow of immigrants at the border. with detention facilities overwhelmed, officials planning to fly up to 3500 migrants, mostly families, from texas to california. just yesterday hundreds of migrants were flown from southern texas to san diego, which said they're considering sending immigrants to processing center that would include miami, buffalo and detroit. this morning democratic congresswoman from michigan told me police and other officials there are definitely concerned about this plan. >> both sides have got to figure out how we're going to come to the table, keep this nation safe, address the humanitarian issues, make sure we've got labor for where labor is needed and stop playing games. that's what all this is, another political game. it's been two decades and we cannot deal with one of the most pressing problems addressing this nation. >> also developing today, new

reporting about internal clashes in the administration. this time around policy towards iran with national security adviser john bolton clashing with secretary of state mike pompeo. and three trump administration officials tell "the washington post" senior adviser stephen miller tried to have another shake-up at the department of homeland security but the acting secretary prevented it. just moments ago i asked former white house senior aide omarosa, how much influence does stephen miller have since he seems to have successfully influenced the policies. >> it was interesting sitting in senior staff meetings with him. he was always quiet. he would take in what everyone around the table was saying and say when he met the president, he would leverage that. he has gain the trust and ears of the president and that's all that matters in this game of thrones of the trump administration. i don't doubt whatever he wants to advance, he will get it done. >> and the president with very

colorful language yesterday, denying yesterday there's any internal clashes. >> these people back here, they put out messages. i'm angry with my people. i'm not angry with them. they make it sound like it's a conflict but put out false -- they say confidential sources. you ever notice, they never write the names of people anymore. everything is a source says. there is no source. the person doesn't exist. the person is not alive. it's [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. joining me now, reporter from axios and abigail from "vanity fair." good to see you both. abigail, you have been reporting on this push between bolton and iran. one official telling you bolton knows how to get what he wants and venezuela is an example of that and the president assisting

these calls. what is your assessment of the dynamic of clashing? >> i think one thing the president made very clear when it comes to foreign policy is he isn't interested in getting roped into another long, drawn-out war in the middle east. one of the things with john bolton is john bolton is an i'd log. john bolton is hawkish on iran and supported regime change as recently as last year. when you're looking at him and what he's pushing for, john bolton has a view of what should happen with iran and what should happen in the middle east that might conflict, of course, with the way donald trump views it. the way donald trump is trying to approach it as demaker in chief, negotiator, the idea donald trump believes can he sit down at a table with people and strike a great deal and that's how he's viewing it. when john bolton has a very different view on what is going on with iran and this is creating internal conflict within the administration. then you have mike pompeo, secretary of state, who many view as sort of a little bit of a sycophant, yes man to the

president, who is really aligning himself much more closely with donald trump's views on what should happen in the middle east. even though he's also viewed as a hawk when it comes to iran. >> steph, there's an example of an apparent conflict. you have senior adviser stephen miller with another shake-up at the department of homeland security and acting secretary blocks it. what's your take of all of the infighting and intreating in the west wing? >> i think it's interesting om rossia pointed out stephen miller is someone in the white house who cares a lot and put a lot of effort into what he thinks should happen with immigration in the u.s. it's interesting the secretarying secretary mcaleenan pushed back on that. and kristin nelson was not afraid to push back on the white house when they tried to interfere. it seems mcaleenan won this one at this point but whether

there's increasing tension, especially as the issue at the border increases, we'll have to keep an eye on that. >> let's discuss the imgraegs proposal from thursday. you hear because you want the white house to represent not just republicans. >> what mr. kushner and his team laid out was only two points. there was nothing in there about daca or asylum fixes or program workers. we need to address the humanitarian crisis at the border. this plan doesn't do that. >> how big of a letdown is this for the white house? >> it is interesting the white house decided to focus on two aspects of immigration that don't really approach the issues that are most pressing right now. they didn't touch much on it before or process of asylum.

they are not touching on the undocumented population. they're not touching on daca, the issue democrats in particular have felt strongly on and have been the one piece of immigration that united republicans and democrats, deciding we need to get this figured out. what the white house did was focus on the legal immigration system. what they're thinking about this according to senior administration officials, let's focus on things there's more agreement over. let's focus on the issues maybe we can get people to cooperate with but aren't as high lit emotional in dealing with the issues that we are seeing politicized in the moment. i think you're right, it was a letdown for a lot of people. i don't understand why we're not dealing with daca now and undocumented documentation. >> i want to get your reaction on another headline, that being democrats reportedly frustrated by their stalled investigations into the president, raising the specter of imposing fines over

subpoenas. what is the likelihood of that happening? >> democrats i have spoke with on the hill are incredibly frustrated by what they see as blanket stonewalling by the administration when it comes to oversight request and congressional inquiries. you are going to see them start to take steps to increase pressure on the white house, whether that's putting more witnesses in contempt, that are refusing to appear before congress, or also just seeking further documents. but one of the things they will i think focus on in the coming weeks is continuing to sort of put the spotlight on the lack of cooperation from the white house, whether that's through holding hearings where the witnesses don't showed up or having very contentious hearings where they're drawing this out. i think what they're really going to do and one of the strategies at this point and what they see as the greatest argument in their favor is this isn't a white house being traditionally selective in terms of the battles that they're fighting with congress. this is a blanket stonewalling where they're refusing, as donald trump has said in his own words, every request, every

congressional inquiry. that will be what they present as they move forward whether it reaches impeachment proceedings or other legal cases or actions they bring. i think one of the things democrats as incredibly frustrated as they are are going to continue to highlight the fact this white house is being unprecedentedly uncompromising and stonewalling these requests. >> abigail tracy and steph, it was great to talk to you both. thank you very much. coming up next, new snapshot on president trump's finances and how come businesses are taking a financial hit. and we will take you to philadelphia when joe biden begins speaking at his unite america kickoff rally. lly. (music throughout)

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23 past the hour and i'm giving you a live look at philadelphia. any moment now joe biden will be taking the stage and speaking at his unite america kickoff rally. we will, of course, bring you all of his remarks when he begins. first, new details about the president's financial picture and impact of his presidency on his bottom line. according to "the washington post," revenue trump's mar-a-lago dropped 20% in 2018. the report says the overall picture is mixed some areas losing revenue and others making gains, all of it feeding questions about mixing profits

with politics. joining us is the author of that report, msnbc and political analyst as well. you bring us great stuff. it's always about dollars and cents which seem elusive in many ways. first, david, give us the background on what these financial disclosures do and don't cover. >> that's a great question. they are our best annual look at the state of the president's finances. but they are incomplete. they don't tell us if they're making money but just the revenue they are bringing in. that's one piece of the financial picture. can you tell some things, how did the revenue in his golf courses and hotels change from year to year? in general the combined revenue went down from 2017 to 2018. again, we don't know what that means for profits and losses but there were high points for him. high points generally coincided with places he visited. places that could sim plis italy sell access to the president, along with golf. >> specifically earlier this

week you wrote about trump's doral resort and steep decline that took place after the president took office. what is status of that? what happened there and where does it stand now? >> doral is the opposite of what i just talked about. this is a place that has to survive with trump's name but can't sell access to the presidency. he never goes there. his people never go there. there's no way by going there you will run into the president and put an idea in his ear. what we found looking at data the trump administration gave himself to miami-dade county in florida was a steep deliecline after he got into the presidential election. so the money left over after paying expenses dropped by 69% at the time. the reason for the decline, the trump organization hired a representative to tell the

county what accounted for this decline and she said it's clear, the reason for the decline is trump. he's that unpopular. >> you're saying branding, the name trump lost value, you don't hear that much from somebody who has this kind of a position and association with trump, right? >> right. it's real liely interesting. she was so clear in the meeting, the answer is trump, he's the reason we're in decline. but if you ask the trump organization, eric trump himself, no, of course not. every property they have a different excuse, never the trump name. in chicago it's because of gun violence n miami the resort is poor because of zika and the weather. they have an excuse every time. for them, it's never the name. >> you write specifically zika in 2016 and storms in 2017 and '18 is accounting for theory deduction of profits in florida but you also point out no with

regard to numbers, statistically all of the other competing resorts in the area showed, competing resorts in the area, same region there, still outperformed the trump resort in key metrics of room, occupancy and average room rate. >> that's right, and in chicago where supposedly gun violence is driving people away from the entire city, that's why the trump hotel had gone down in the trump organization's opinion. >> where is it going on, the gun violence? >> right in the downtown beautiful location. and trump's competitors in miami and chicago, that should have borne the same costs, suffer the same trends, didn't. they outperformed trump. so maybe something else is at work there. >> i'm curious, how is this different from what congress wu wants to learn from the president's tax returns. >> it's a lot different. the information we have from trump doral is good, better than

information we had before because it shows profits and losses but it's just one business. it's just one business. what trump's tax forms would show you how does it all fit together? do is he making or losing money overall? how is he reporting it to the irs? there's a whole picture instead of little snapshots would you see from the returns. >> i do want to say there are places he had gains, you alluded to them, but specifically places where he owns building. they do not have the trump name. gut there's one in new york and one in san francisco that are profitable. and may have reported gains n case the president said look at the media, they never report the good stuff. that's good. we'll give it to you. on the legal front, coulds they disclosures give lawsuits alleging the emoluments allegations ammunition? >> the clause that the emoluments have honed in on, the

d.c. firm from the white house, they are concern about trump going business with foreign governments. we know he's done business with foreign governments. constitution says he can't take payments from foreign governments. the emollient concern is it went up in 2018. and it's actually a lot up because what happened in 2017, the inauguration. any hotel that outperformed had a really, really good year last year. >> david fahrenthold, come back any time. any time you have a great article, bring it on back. good to see you. new poll giving us a first look at what could be a tough landscape for the 2020 campaign. the state where the president is falling behind and what democrats will have to do pick up those votes.

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any moment now we expect joe biden to take the stage and speak at his unite america kickoff rally in philadelphia. of course, once gets to the podium, we will bring you all of his remarks. again, we expect that to happen pretty soon. he's running seven, eight minutes behind. shortly he will be there and we will take you there.

with me now peter everson, and contributing host for fox media's "consider it" and caylee mcnene, the press secretary for trump's 2020 campaign. big welcome to all of you. what do we expect to hear, joe biden the mott rid? joe biden the progressive? do we know where he's positioning himself on that spectrum yet? >> yes, it's joe biden i'm not go win and beat donald trump. 45 and older, progressive moderate is not mutually exclusive. so joe biden is going to try to pass the litmus test but the majority of democratic priority voters to win. there's another poll that has to do with age and with that you can't make a new number. at the end of the day it seems what's driving most of the voters is a question of who can beat donald trump down the road?

democrats now have a huge problem, huge challenge. if they don't nominate bernie sanders, they will lose x number of voters and if they nominate bernie sanders, they're going to lose y number of voters. it as big dilemma. >> caylee, let's talk pennsylvania specifically. the president wants to put up a fight through that battleground state but early polls, as you know, have him now playing defense. quinnipiac university, it has him trailing joe biden by 11 points. first of all u. what does t, wh campaign attribute that to? >> polls also had president trump losing in pennsylvania, wisconsin and he won. these are not republican straights, these are trump states. we don't believe that polling is an accurate summation of what a vote total would look like in pennsylvania. we will run a hard race against joe biden. we heard what we will hear from

joe biden but what we won't hear is this was the worst economic recovery under joe biden. we lost 211,000 manufacturing jobs, many there in pennsylvania, he supported tpp and nafta. the people of pennsylvania have a lot of betrayal they will be hearing about from the trump dpan. >> understandably. but looking at the poll of the snapshot 11 points behind, and this is not necessarily a republican state but trump state. why is he not in a better position when put up against joe biden right now? >> because joe biden has done a really good job putting up a facade that he's working class joe, he's for the manufacturing but his record doesn't tell that story, as i just explained. president trump's record by contrast does. he added 500,000 jobs. when the facts are shared and people's paychecks are growing, we will see a different story.

if it even is joe biden, i'm not convinced he will be the nominee, we will see more as it gets closer to november. >> we got a long way to government 23 candidates officially and who knows, others could jump in. but how many so-called anti-trump republicans do you think would be willing to cross party lines and vote for joe biden if it came down to a race between donald trump and joe biden? >> i think a significant number. from my vox show "consider it" i was just in new hampshire a couple of weeks ago speaking with university of new hampshire professor who studied electoral politics. what he said was there's a growing and increasing percentage of people with gop-leading independents and moderate voters who are concerned about trump's pronouncement who did vote for him over hillary clinton in 2016 combust wou

but would more likely vote for a centrist democrat in 2020, including joe biden. when you look at the wall wall states that trump was able to defeat hillary in, the margins he won were not that great. so the right candidate, perhaps such as joe biden, he could diminish that margin. i know peter mentioned if it's not bernie sanders, somebody else that person would lose some votes, but i think you do make up those votes poinlly, again, with independent voters and some of those moderate-leaning republicans who are concerned about some of the president's positions. >> so do you want to respond to that? keep in mind sur-michael is a republican consultant. how much do you worry about those republicans that are not in the trump camp crossing the line for someone who might be seen as a moderate, joe biden or another candidate? >> we don't worry about that when we see the president of the highest known approval rating than noir president in modern

history than george w. bush during 9/11. more than bush mccain or romney. we have republicans. what we want to see are more democrats come over and we noticed an interesting trend in our polling post mueller, we've seen 6%, 7% democrats come our way because they're waking up and see their party misled them. joe biden, right now we view him as an empty suit who hasn't been asked any hard questions. we've got a long road ahead. he has a lot of hard questions to answer about the mueller report and many others. >> it appears not just pennsylvania is this time leaning left, you got analysis by priorities u.s.a. which says democrats would also win michigan and wisconsin based on its latest model. what does the trump campaign think trump voters in these states are turning away from? >> we don't think they're turning away. we have a much bert pollster,

much better data operations which we bring any of those models which were wrong, brad cardscale, the mastermind around 2016 who said we think nevada, new hampshire, new mexico are new states in place. he said if the election were held today, he would win two of the three states. we don't see us hemorrhaging states. by contrast, we see us picking up states and i put my stock in the guy who won 2016, not pollsters who were wrong all along. >> i want to go to a poll that could affect the race, republicans efforts to turn roe v. wade. who benefits more from this issue moving center stage now, democrats or republicans? >> i was in montgomery, alabama, all week by coincidence. i will defer to kevin mccarthy, minority in the leader of the house of representatives from republicans who said it wok republic would be republicans it would hurt.

but i like to focus on the human being iz talked to in alabama, human beings reined cannot abort the fetus, incest victims cannot abort the fetus. those are usually poor women who cannot leave the state of alabama and go to another state. middle class white women can go to another state for an abortion. the impact is enormous. i talked to a whole variety of people. at the end of the day it is the healing cost of this and the irony is for a president and party that is supposed to keeb government out of people's lives, they're not only going in people's bedrooms but what a woman's route russ can and cannot done. >> you know what, since joe biden's running late, we're going to take a quick break and pay a couple bills. i hope all three of you stay right there because we will pick up this conversation on the other side. em the same, but some give their clients cookie cutter portfolios. fisher investments tailors portfolios

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we've got our eyes trained right there in philadelphia as we await joe biden to take the podium. he will be introduced by his wife, dr. jill biden, any minute now. as i said, they're just running a little late. fortunately i have theater risk people to join me here and keep the discuss going. peter, shermichael and caylee. we will pick up on the abortion discussion. the alabama abortion ban, no exemptions for rape or incest. it's drawing pretty strong reaction from both sides, and

that would include the republican house minority leader kevin mccarthy, said the lack of exemptions goes against congressional republicans' record. do you think alabama's ban is a strategic mistake? >> you know, i personally am for the exceptions. we have a right away of views in our party. the president has been clear since the last campaign he's for exceptions for rape and incest and life of the mother. that being said there's no more pro-life president. i think this argument needs to be asked of democrats. we had nearly 60 million abortions in this country since roe v. wade. that's nearly a sixth of the united states' population eviscerated and now we're talking about abortion until birth in new york and other states. you had 44 united states senators vote against keeping an infant alive outside of the womb. think about that. this is a tragedy. we're talking about the loss of human life, viable apart from the mother. democrats are losing on this issue.

this is a pro-life president. i'm glad to hear party mention the human cost of this because the real human cost is the 12,000 babies each year who are killed when they feel pain in a late-term abortion. >> bottom line, you think the president agrees with kevin mccarthy's position here, this one went too far? do you think the president plans to speak out about this? >> i can't say what the president plans to do but i will say he's said repeatedly he's for those three exceptions. he said that going back to 2016. >> shermichael, don't these abortion bans stand in contrast with conservative's interests in smaller government? >> that is a very interesting question, alex. i do suppose one could argue if you do believe in limited and smaller government, then the belief that one should maintain compete autonomy over themselves would mean government should not be able to dictate that. so i guess in one way, one can answer yes. but look, i'm a conservative and i am pro-life. but i do think this is a very interesting debate that we're having right now because if the

underlying question here is whether or not we want to decrease the number of people who are having abortions per year, i think a better policy solution would be number one, having a better sex education, starting younger ages. number two, we should also provide perhaps condoms, perhaps plan b pill as an option. perhaps we should provide birth control as an alternative. if you educate people and provide people with better resources, then there wouldn't necessarily be a reason for individuals to rely so much so on abortions. so i think we should get as conservatives smarter about how we address this issue from a policy position. >> peter, the camera hasn't been on you but i know you have been shaking your head throughout this discussion. weigh in on this where you stand and where you think democrats stand in jirnl. >> generally it's the poor, undereducated that suffer. and when shermichael said is absolutely true. of course, the other aspect of

it is caylee is speaking on behalf of the campaign. as such she's representing a president who ha documented lying over 10,000 times. she's perpetuating lies that want to kill people at the end of pregnancy -- >> it's true. 24 -- >> consequently, there's going to be a come-to-fact moment at some point. but having been in alabama, having seen what this is going to do with people that ultimately survive the challenges in court, all the way up the supreme court, i agree what shermichael said is the practical humane why rather that were this idea somehow we're going to bring the democrats, rather than taking responsibility for stuff, that's the trump way. i forgot, sorry. >> peter, i know you don't want the democrats to have done what they have done but the facts don't lie. that's new york senate gave a standing ovation -- >> of course, you do lie and

consequently i have no interest in discussing this with you because you lie all the time. >> let her finish, peter. >> we all know add hom anyone arguments are the last line of attack. abortion until birth was passed. 44 senate democrats voted against to keep alive after an abortion act that keeps a baby who survives an abortion alive. 44 democrats. and mean while you look in the legislation across the nation, not just new york, merely a dozen states, abortion until birth. and govern northam said keep the baby comfortable, let the mom decide. the baby is outside of the womb. this is your party. these are hard facts to grapple with. i get it. it is hard four, peter, but the facts still exist. >> alex if i could say -- >> it is hard for me to listen to lies, that is all. >> if i should say, good policy should yield to definitive answers about how we address

problems. i'm conservative and pro-life and that doesn't mean what we're seeing in alabama and other states are the best way to approach this problem. again you got to better educate people. our young people in particular and you have to provide resources so individuals don't feel this is the only way to go or direction if you will, i.e., having an abortion. and i think you have better education, you have the resources, the young ladies and young men will be able to say, you know, let's practice safer sex or if there is an incident, make sure you're on birth control or plan b. is accessible to people of color and people who are poor. again, that is a more practical approach to addressing this issue, not encroaching on people's rights to have autonomy over their bodies and as a conservative i'm extremely appalled by and i question and i think republicans in alabama are on a charge that could potentially impact national elections by mobilizing women to come out against republicans

down ballot. >> peter and shermichael and kayleigh, i want to look the at the sprint and to the left of the screen, we are seeing dr. jill biden and she's addressing the crowd via video. let's go quickly to mike memilly is this where joe biden comes on stage? is this the big introduction we're waiting for. >> reporter: their introducing dr. jill biden behind me as they speak. they played a video paying tribute to the founding origins of the country and part of the argument for why they are here in and we expect her to speeg for a few minutes and then bring joe biden. and she is stepping on the stage now. it is a very paired-down program. we've seen some of the announcement events from the other candidates with a whole cavalcade of speakers and some elected officials who have endorsed them and local officials who know them. but what we've heard is only the

head of the university of pennsylvania democrats for biden trying tone courage people to sign up for the email list and now we're going to hear from dr. jill biden here about to introduce her husband. >> then we're going to listen as well to this introduction. peter and kayleigh and shermichael, good to talk to you. here we go, everybody. dr. jill biden introducing her husband joe. >> it is so great to be home. as many of you may know, i grew up right down broad street in willow grove. every single weekend my four sisters and i would pile into our family station wagon and cross the bridge to go to see my grandparents in southern jersey. my summers were spent watching the phillies with my dad and waitressing at the shore.

i love you too. i watch the mummers parade and took class trips to fells planetarium, the betsy ross house and the liberty bell. i'm an upper moreland golden bear and villanova wild cat. i ran the broad street ten-miler and forever fly eagles fly. so as you can see, this city is part of who i am. and no matter where i go, or where i am, i will always and forever be a philly girl. [ cheering and applause ]

>> over the last two years so many of you have come up to me at events, in airports, in the grocery store, even on the streets, and said the same thing. please tell joe he has to run. [ applause ] people have said that they miss his statesmanship, his ability to find common ground. they miss his diplomacy and his deep experience working with our allies around the world. they miss his courage to confront issues that matter when no one else seems to care. like his life saving work on the violence against women act.

but it's not just that they miss his leadership. they miss his kindness. the way he is inspires us to keep believing that our best days are yet ahead of us. his ability to face tragedy and not give in or give up. his character, his love for our nation, again and again people have told me joe is the one who can move us forward. joe is the one who can bring us together. we need him. [ applause ] and you know what? i agree. i miss that feeling of hope and

optimism, too. but you know what, philly? today we begin to restore that feeling. this moment defines who we are. it's a moment that we need to hear your voices. it is a moment when we need leaders with vision and character. it is a moment for someone who can bring us together. it's a moment for joe biden. [ cheering and applause ] we are starting an enormous journey today. the biden family is ready. and we will do this as we always have, as a family. and we know that all of you are with us too.

[ applause ] we know that every person who told me that they wanted joe to run is going to do their part. we know you're going to talk to your neighbors, text your friends, knock on doors, get them to the polls. we need you. [ applause ] all of those little things add up. together we will build this movement and together we will win. [ cheering and applause ] for as long as i've known him, joe has never given up. never failed to see the possibilities and never had any doubt about who he's fighting for. as long as he has the privilege of serving this nation, i know

from the bottom of my heart, that he will continue to fight for you every day. so let's do this. [ cheering and applause ] please welcome my husband joe biden. [ cheering and applause ] ♪ ♪

[ cheering and applause ] >> hello, philadelphia. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you, thank you, thank you. [ crowd chanting ] >> thank you. thank you. >> folks, thank you, jill. i'm joe biden and i'm jill's husband. y'all think i'm kidding. that's how i'm identified. everyone knows jill is a