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and taking it directly to president trump over the nation's divisions. >> are we a nation that believes there's a moral equivalence between white supremacists, neo-nazis, and ku klux klan, and those with the courage to stand against them? we don't, but trump does. >> the clarion call coming after president trump's recent proposal thursday, a, quote, merit-based system, centering on the kind of civics test that legal immigrants take to become full citizens, but the president wants it at the top before admission, fitting in with his racist adjacent fetish for the right kind of immigrant. and doing away with the family-based system that got his current wife's parents into the country. the business community is

already pushing back, citing the plan's potential to keep skilled additive immigrants out of the country and the democrats in congress are countering that it does nothing for the so-called dreamers, many of whom have known no other home than the united states, nor does it shore up the uncertainty felt by the nearly 11 million undocumented immigrants already here. and then there's the internal republican fight over the president's immigration strategy. as we learned today, that opposition from gop lawmakers forced the president to abandon a plan to move migrants from the southern border to florida for processing. joining me now, dan yell moodie-mills, sirius xm radio host, and sarah longwell, republican strategist. sarah, president trump saying let's have a merit-based test

before admission. is this him, again, playing for the right kind of immigrant, the right kind of brown person, if we're talking about mexicans? >> maybe, but it doesn't do anything about temporary worker visas which is what businesses really want. we want immigrants of all kinds, we want high-skilled workers but wesley need people to want to come here and be entrepreneurs. this is about the american dream and whether it's running a dunkin' donuts or a dry cleaner or working your way up the ladder. that's the kind of america i want to live in and it's the immigration system we should be focused on. there's nothing wrong we should say we need more merit-based admission but it's for his base. >> you're a republican saying that. danielle, how do you look at it from another point of view? because my question is, not only

the merit test before they're admitted, who decides what's on the test? because we all know you can use a test to elevate or eliminate. >> exactly, and i think we all know from history, right, the paper bag test, the jelly bean test you would take to count how many jelly beans in the jim crow south. this reminds us of the poll tests that many americans used to have to take who weren't white, who weren't men in order to be able to vote. so for me, it doesn't sit like an open policy for immigration and let us really come to the table. again, it's donald trump and his ilk getting to decide who is welcome and who is not, who is a part of the american dream and the ambition of america and who is not. if that is going to be the same kind of white male panel that decided against abortion in the

state of alabama, then i do not want them deciding what goes on a test for undocumented people to come into the united states because they can decide who passes and who fails and what the right questions are to ask. frankly, if you are fleeing violence, if you are fleeing drug lords, if you have nothing but your child on your back and your family and you are running towards something greater because what's behind you is so taxing, then we should let those people in. being able to seek asylum is protected under the united nations, so why we would then put a test in front of that, i don't know. >> sarah, the administering of the test, there's all kinds of dangerous here. >> there are, although the entire proposal is that vague. i mean, there's really very little specificity around the entire thing, and that's because really what you're seeing is a

fight between the steven miller wing and the jared kushner wing, right? so they ended up with something in the mushy middle that had no details and managed to split the republican party and make everyone kind of mad. like the immigration hawks, like ann coulter. this is a total waste, it doesn't matter and then the part of the republican party that cares about bringing in immigrants to help businesses, they're not happy with it. at the end of the day this thing is dead on arrival. there's nothing in there about daca which means the democrats are never going to take it up. and republicans are, like, firmly meh on it. so at the end of the day those kinds of details won't even matter because it's not going anywhere. >> danielle, sarah says the kushner wing and the miller wing. but the bird in the middle is the same person, donald trump. is this a real immigration plan or is it just playing to his base, throwing them something that is really not detailed, funded, or even possibly funded,

and there's no budget attached, and no details on how you would administer there. >> at some point he's going to have to broaden his base beyond the 30% of people that will vote for him no matter what. this is his first toe dip into that space. let me try and put forward something that is going to be dead on arrival because it has no real bones or merits and it's not speaking to the people that are here, it's not speaking to the dreamers that are looking for an opportunity and a path forward that president obama had put in place. so i am concerned about us falling down the rabbit hole of trump's next treatise that he's offering democrats, which is immigration, which is based on fallacy. for me it's like i want us to move away from this conversation until it's going to be a comprehensive immigration opportunity for people that are here, for the 12 million people that need a pathway, and for

those that are still struggling and striving to get into this country because they're fleeing something to vicious and horrible. >> seems less than serious, sarah, because without those details or even, really, any kind of details, you almost think he's just throwing something out there because how do you debate something that is not seriously outlined? what do you do with the people who fail the test? they're here, they took the test, they fail the test, then what? i mean, are we sending them back? how? who does that? how do you take this empty throw to his base seriously when there's so many questions unanswered, yet he calls it a plan? >> right. it's not an intellectually serious proposal. what's interesting is i think he was trying to be moderate in this. even his rhetoric. if you watched his speech,

usually he gets out there and he says wall, wall, wall, immigrants, crime. this time he paid at least lip service to pro-immigration rhetoric so it wasn't his normal spiel. i think he's trying to sound a little bit more moderate to some of the potential independents and to be vague and not try to turn anybody off too much. because i think he wants to put democrats in the position of looking like they're being unreasonable, they're being the ones turning down his reasonable approach to immigration. >> but how can you have a reasonable approach, danielle, if there's no real approach when you're not telling people things like who's the judge or what's on the test and what happens to people that fail the test. in many ways he's assuming people are just stupid. >> exactly. and that's what i feel that democrats need to call out, which we do not. on a regular basis donald trump is just throwing a razzle-dazzle, he's doing a tap dance right now because he's assuming that no one is going to

have -- his constituency -- he believes that they will just take him on his word. remember what he said during the campaign. i could shoot somebody in the middle of 5th avenue and my poll numbers would still continue to go up. this is not about offering anyone real anything. it's not about offering real policy. it's not about offering a real path forward. it's just about a razzle-dazzle. to sarah's point, maybe there's independents on the fringe that can come to my side of the pool, but at the end of the day they're not really standing in a pool. they're standing in quick sand. he's so laser focused on them because he knows how to pr and market and at the end of the day no one is going to dig into the details. >> and people seeking asylum from oppression or from fear of what's going on, do you really tell people you have to qualify to seek asylum? i think there's a statue out in

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with potential implications for 2020. it's one of the states to pass legislation narrowing the window for legal abortion. and lawmakers have until june 15th to redraw ohio's congressional map after a panel of judges found it was rigged in favor of republicans. joining me now is ohio republican congressman bill johnson. congressman, the legislation around abortion, isn't it really a political move, a nonstarter, since the supreme court, including some that were interviewed for their confirmation to the court nominated by president trump, gave the clear indication that they were not about trying to reverse any of the laws that had been law for the last several decades, like roe v. wade?

>> no. first of all, reverend sharpton, thanks for having me on today. >> thank you for coming? i don't think this is a political move at all. i think this is the appeasement great state of ohio speaking loud and clear that we value the sanctity of human life. i think this is what this is about. >> what about the value of women's rights to choose? what about the value of privacy? we all know that we're talking, really, about whether or not you end legal abortion, people that want to get an abortion are going to get them regardless, but it will go back to the track of dangerous abortions and abortions that can be done in ways that can both hurt the mother and potentially the child that they are potentially going to bear once it becomes a child, if it becomes a child, i should say.

and we can argue about when a human being becomes a human being, but clearly we can't argue that we don't really think people are going to stop having abortions. we're talking about whether they're going to have a legal right to a safe abortion. >> well, you know, here's what we can agree on. you're right, there's a lot of debate around when human life begins. i personally believe it starts at conception. the scriptures that both you and i subscribe to tell us that. but i can also tell you you and i, the one thing we have in common, we got two daughters. i've got two daughters and father granddaughters, and i can tell you, i got that phone call. by the way, congratulations. i know you're expecting your first grandchild. >> he's almost five months old, but thank you. >> oh, well, you're welcome. i remember when i got the phone call when my daughter was pregnant. she was a senior in high school and there were many people trying to get her to get an

abortion. and i am grateful and thankful she stood on her principles and beliefs and she decided to have the baby. and that baby brought great joy to many of us. and the one other thing that we can agree on, reverend sharpton, is that abortion is the intentional killing of an innocent human being. that's what it is at its core. and this is what the law in alabama, the new heartbeat bill that has been signed into law, that's that that is designed to stop. >> you and i may agree in some parts of on religion, but this is not a theocracy. we don't have the right to impose our religious beliefs as law. we're not talking about what we agree with in church. we're talking about law. if we set that up, somebody from another religion can come to power and impose that law on us. so how do we protect our freedom of religion if we're going to make religious the basis of law?

>> well, i think murder is murder whether you're talking about it from a religious concept or a political or a legal concept. i believe that to be absolutely true. take a look at the extreme cases -- >> if we're going to argue about when conception is, we are talking religion. >> no. we're talking about the human experience. >> you brought up the bible, congressman. the bible is a religious book. >> you're right. yes, it is. it's the scripture. and you and i both subscribe to that same scripture. >> but you can't run the law by scripture. don't people have the right not to believe in the scripture as well as -- people have the right to reject my religious thoughts in a democracy. >> sure they do. but let's look at the extreme cases of new york and virginia, reverend. what about the case in new york, the law that has been passed there that allows an abortion

right up until the moments just prior to birth? i mean, is that child not a human being at that point in your view? >> again, we can define when where we want to go with where human conception or whether it's late is when a human being is a life. but you can't do it based on the bible. let me go on to another point because i don't want to run out of time. gerrymandering, how do you feel that judges have said that in your state that they drew the map and rigged it for the benefit of your party? >> well, i think the judges got it wrong in this case because the lines that are currently existing in ohio were brawn according to the ohio constitution, and it was passed by a legislature by the majority of both parties at the time. so i don't know how the judges came to that conclusion, but i remain hopeful that -- and it is

still under consideration, by the way, because it's been appealed to the supreme court. we'll see what the supreme court says, but i'm confident that we're going to get a stay at the supreme court. and we won't put the people of ohio through a redistricting process two cycles in a row because after the 2020 election, there's going to be a redistricting anyway. i'm sorry, after the 2020 census. >> a lot of people in ohio i know that disagree, but let me give you some breaking news. a few minutes ago, your colleague, republican congressman justin amash of michigan, became the first republican to specifically say the president committed impeachable offenses after reading the mueller report that investigated russian interference in the 2016 election. he also goes on to say attorney general bill barr deliberately misrepresented the mueller report. first of all, what's your reaction to that? and he also said that most members of congress haven't even

read the mueller report. what's your reaction to the statement and have you read the mueller report? >> i read parts of the mueller report. as you know, it is a long report, and i'm not going to comment on what mr. amash says. he is one voice among many. i can tell you that what the mueller report found was that there was no collusion and no obstruction. and my democrat colleagues can't seem to accept that. they're in denial. >> but you haven't even read the whole report. how do you know if you haven't read the whole report. you said you haven't read it, it's a long report. apparently attorney general barr read the whole thing and came out with a summation that was deliberately distorted, the congressman is saying. does attorney general barr know speed reading and you don't after weeks -- read a report? >> i'm not a constitutional

lawyer. i didn't say i had. read the report. i said i read a large password report. i read enough to know that what the attorney general said is there was no collusion and no obstruction. >> he said that we cannot exonerate obstruction. the attorney general -- the mueller report said there was no obstruction. they said they could not exonerate the president. it clearly said that. to say you can't exonerate is not to say "no." it says these are ten examples, and you decide whether there's obstruction. he never exonerated him, congressman. >> after $35 million and two years being spent on that report, do you think that if robert mueller had evidence of obstruction that he would not have found that conclusion? >> and the answer is after $35 million and he concluded there was no collusion, he would have come to the conclusion there was no obstruction.

he didn't say that. on your premise, he should have said that exactly for the reasons you said. you spent all that money and couldn't exonerate speaks loudly to me. but thank you for being with me, congressman bill johnson of ohio. >> thank you very much. coming up, president trump has a history of -- how tariffs on chinese imports impact the waltz of american consumers. i'll dig into that next. intrnow at outback.plete steakhouse dinner, get your choice of soup or salad, entrée like our signature sirloin, and dessert, starting at $14.99. hurry in for this complete dinner before it's completely gone. and if you want outback at home, order now!

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mexico will pay for your precious wall on the southern border. remember that? >> i would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me. and i'll build them very inexpensively. i will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and i will have mexico pay for that wall. mark my words. >> and nearly four years later, it's clear that your promise was bogus. the truth is, american taxpayers will be picking up the tab. and now there's this lie. >> we have tariffs coming in on $250 billion worth of goods, and we're talking about billions and billions of dollars a month will flow into our country and has already started flowing into our country that comes from china. >> president trump, if you can stop blatantly lying to the american people, especially when

your own administration officials aren't willing to back you up. do you think continuously boasting about fighting china that american workers will forget that these tariffs are hurting our families? and now for some reason you're willing to delay tariffs on foreign cars and auto parts. it's very convenient that both bmw and mercedes-benz have major factories in alabama and south carolina, the heart of trump country. i know nuance ain't your thing, mr. president, so let me make it simple. american workers with sense will no longer chant make america great again if they lose their jobs because of your bad deal making for the sake your dangerously fragile ego. we'll be right back.

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. the controversial conversation over abortion has spilled into the race for the white house, and it could soon be headed to the supreme court. in just past week, two states, alabama and missouri, joined a handful of others to have recentlily passed draconian abortion laws. this laws which prohibit abortion after six and eight weeks respectively have been protested. coming down the pipeline, the louisiana state legislature is also poised to have a bill banning abortion after six weeks, and likely to be passed by the governor who is a democrat. back with me, radio host danielle moodie-mills and republican strategist sarah

longwell. sarah, in the alabama bill, a doctor would get 99 years if convicted of performing an portion. so they're making a law where the doctor would get more time than a rapist would, and they're saying the woman has to have the child even if she was raped or was a victim of incest. >> yes. this is a very extreme law. when it's done is it's actually splitting pro-life activists. they're not all in favor of this. for a lot of people, this is too extreme. the pro-life movement has been successful at being an incrementalist movement and they have been able to paint democrats as the ones extreme on abortion, talking about late-term abortion. but these bills get really complicated for republicans. if you're up in 2020, you don't want to defend these bills,

they're too extreme, so they have managed to take this issue that worked with republicans to one that's even a net negative for republicans. >> we had a republican congressman on a few minutes ago that went to the bible, which, of course, i believe in the bible, but i don't believe the bible or any other religious book ought to be the law because then it inhibits me from practicing my religion if another religion comes to power. but even reverend pat robinson, who's as far right, i thought, as you could get has said the alabama law has gone too far. >> people like eric erickson, big pro-life people are saying, look, i believe in exemptions for rape. this is not a good look for republicans, especially right now. they need to be competitive with college-educated republican women in the suburbs. this is who they lost in 2018. these kind of extreme overreaches are going to put those people totally out of play. >> danielle, the supreme court

eventually, one of these state bills will be tried front of the supreme court. and if the two appointees by president trump hold true, they're not going to change radically laws that have been operative for decades. but they may chip away at it. is this really a way to change the law without looking extreme, the republican states, alabama, missouri, they come in a little and in effect change the laws and empower states to define then what happens? are we walking slowly back towards state's rights that could lead to civil rights and other things. is this a state's rights movement? >> yes, it is. i think that mitch mcconnell and republicans across the board have done what they do well, which is play the long game u.

while democrats are focused on every four years and the white house, republicans have been looking at state houses and they have been looking at the courthouses. donald trump to this date right now has appointed more federal judges -- >> over 100 confirmed. >> -- than any other president at this time, right? so think about this for a minute. when we talk about extricating donald trump, which needs to happen from the white house, we talk about the legacy in which he's leaving behind, which are all these conservative federal judges that will be on the bench now. where the aclu and other people found avenues, we'll win at the courts, well, the courts -- justice is not blind and we know that from a myriad of things we've seen over the years. justice is not blind, but justice has now been set up. what we have now is that republicans have set the chess board in a way the democrats have never foreseen. so when we look at the strategy they have in play, this is the whole point of alabama, missouri, ohio, all these pieces

of anti-choice legislation was to go to the supreme court, why? because mitch mcconnell stole a seat from barack obama that he held hostage for over 300 and some odd days. and then we have kavanaugh who weaseled his way in cut from the same cloth and ilk of donald trump. two people are now on the supreme court that don't even need to sit back and hear cases. that's their job, but we know how they're going to decide. >> you say some republicans are split on this. are they going to be split in this state legislative bodies? i don't see them voting against these things, even as extremists, i.e., alabama and missouri. >> there you'll have state legislatures going for it. i think this is a total tactically and strategic mistake. it's not clear that it will get certified by the supreme court.

the alabama bill especially is so extreme that it looks like they may not even take it. i think this is one of those things that it won't achieve what they want it to do by going to the supreme court and getting heard, but it will make things politically complicated for republicans. so alabama has done nothing good for the republican party lately. they gave us roy moore. >> thank you sarah moodie-mills and sarah longwell. up next, another case of an unarmed black woman shot and killed by a police officer. but a new viral video of the incident is putting into question whether lethal force was actually necessary. we'll speak with the victim's center and family's attorney next. (gasp) (singsong) budget meeting! sweet. if you compare last quarter to this quarter... various: mmm. it's no wonder everything seems a little better with the creamy taste of philly, made with fresh milk and real cream.

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who, according to her family, was known to have suffered from mental illness. but police in the city of baytown, texas, have countered that turner had warrants at the time of her arrest, which turned deadline when she tried to take officer juan delacruz's taser. she was pronounced dead on the scene. the medical examiner deeming it a homicide with both police and her family confirming that she was not pregnant, despite her final words. but unlike the police, the family and the rest of us in the civil rights community are wondering how the officer in question could have known that or even if he cared. earlier this week i spoke with antoinette doristy james, sister of pamela turner, and civil rights attorney benjamin crump who is representing turner's family. >> let me go to you first,

attorney crump. we are seeing the video, and she's saying pregnant. no one knows what it was, but we do know the officer didn't know, and there seemed to have been multiple shots. how is this justifiable by law? >> it is not justifiable, reverend al. the police officials tried to say where he's justified because in fear of his life. can't we give the same reasoning to this unarmed black woman who had a history of mental illness to say, well, didn't see feel in fear of her life by someone who confronted her, assaulted her, and battered her and she's continues to see trying to get home. her family said they don't know she's pregnant or not, but seems she was trying to say don't harm me, don't tase me, so she said things to say don't hurt me.

yet he does it anyway with no respect to her or if she is really pregnant, to the life inside her body. and that's what's so egregious. this is an attempt to criminalize her, reverend al, as you and i have talked previously, to justify an unjustifiable execution. and i will say this, reverend al. when they first called my office, and you know you have gotten a lot of these calls from national action network as well, that they executed my sister, they executed my mother, you know, we take that with a grain of salt, but then all three show me the video, and my heart stopped. it was an execution. it was one of the most horrible police shootings i've ever seen in my life. and i know you and i, we've seen a lot, reverend al. >> no doubt about it. and many people have seen this have become as outraged as you

and i have on pursuing justice in this matter. antoinette, first of all, again, our condolences to you and the family. i know it's difficult for you to have to do these interviews, but give us a sense of your sister, the type of person she was a mother, a grandmother. tell us who she was. i know when they said she had warrants, that was an attempt to criminalizer and you told me on my radio show she was not a criminal at all. >> that's correct, sir. pam is a gentle, loving, good-hearted person that believed there's good in everybody. she's a beautiful person. she's an excellent, great mother, even through her illness, she was still a great mother, a great friend, a great sister, a cousin, niece.

she has family that loves her and she loved to be loved because she gave a lot of love. go ahead, sir. >> no, go ahead. please finish. >> and she's a loving grandmother that loves her grandchildren and was looking forward to being a part of their lives something her newest grand baby was just three days old when this happened and she never got to see her. >> three days old. >> yes, sir, actually, she has two grandchildren that she haven't seen, one that's two months that was premature and had medical issues, so she hadn't gotten a chance to see her yet. and then she had one that was born on friday exactly three days before her execution.

her daughter, chelsea, birthday was on sunday and it was also mother's day. so it took effect on her pretty hard. she didn't get the chance to see her granddaughter, london. >> let me ask you, attorney crump, so for viewers that may not understand why there's outrage around the country, people seeing this, is there any justification if an officer is -- has already tased someone, i'm told that it in many ways puts them in a position where they couldn't actively try to grab a taser. but even if they were in effect doing what these narrative that we're being told, why the multiple shots? why shooting over and over again? we hear the multiple shots on the video. >> refuse reverend al, it is so offensive for them to try to

tell us his actions were justified. when you look at the video, the video shows the confrontation, the assault and battery. it shows that he never gives her any verbal commands, which is a violation of policy. she never is a threat to him. she's only trying to get to her home and she says that multiple times on the video, but then she -- he tasers her first. we have experts that are looking at this. when the prongs go into her, if she got the taser and she presses it, the prongs are still connected to her. we question whether he was tased or not, reverend al, because you see how quickly he reacted when he stepped back and took the weapon and fired it not once, not twice, not three times, not four times, but five times into an unarmed woman of color who he knows has a history of mental illness. and when you consider that this

is mental health awareness month, you say, why is it when you are a person of color and you have mental illness, you are not getting the same care that others get? you need a helping hand, but you get bullets. in pamela turner's case, it was five bullets. we don't even know if we can have an open casket, reverend al, when you coming to deliver the eulogy here in houston, texas. >> antoinette, there's been outpouring all over the country and, as attorney crump said, all of us want to see justice, whatever that leads to in this matter. i have agreed to come and do the eulogy thursday at lily grove baptist church there in houston. reverend terry anderson and others are working with the family. how do you feel people are marching, different activist groups, how does the family feel about having so much support even at this hour that i know you're still in shock and in absolute -- i can't even describe how you must feel.

trauma, i guess would be one word, to just see this happen to your sister. >> our family really appreciates everything from you all that you are doing to support us and the positive feedback that we're getting. we are just really, really appreciative of it because, like you said, we're still in shock and we just really are in a loss right now. >> can you please tell reverend -- >> go ahead, attorney crumb. i'm out of time but go ahead. go ahead. >> can you tell him what you told the state attorney about how offensive this is? >> yes, and i also told her -- >> tell him. >> -- that, you know, if they haven't watched the video they should because they need to put their family member in the place of our loved one and then make a decision. >> wow. that's a real challenge. well, we don't prejudge a case, but we clearly are not going to let them not investigate this.

that's why we're involved and wanted to show this to the nation. by way of disclosure, the national action network and reverend anderson also said we will support the family's funeral expenses because no one deserves to die unarmed and not have a full and thorough investigation. my thanks to attorney benjamin crump and to antoinette dorsey-james. thank you. again, god bless you and the family. >> thank you. >> thank you. up next, my final thoughts. stay with us. woman 1: this... woman 2: ...this... man 1: ...this is my body of proof. man 2: proof of less joint pain... woman 3: ...and clearer skin. man 3: proof that i can fight psoriatic arthritis... woman 4: ...with humira. woman 5: humira targets and blocks a specific source of inflammation that contributes to both joint and skin symptoms. it's proven to help relieve pain, stop further irreversible joint damage,

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♪ the question is often raised to me why do i and others get involved in police cases. it is not that we are anti-police. i do not believe all police are bad. i don't believe most police are bad, but i believe that those that are bad are the ones that give good police a bad name. i also believe that families have the right to ask for a full and thorough investigation. policemen have unions to give them support. families need to have civil rights groups and activists that can support them so there's institutional balance to lead toward a just and fair resolve to whether there is legalities that have been violated, even if it is a police officer.

and as a minister, as i go and do a eulogy of another funeral of another unarmed person, i remember how we are able under the presidency of barack obama to get a commission to look into police shootings and consent decrees put on cities that had a pattern of police abuse. immediately the trump administration removed those consent decrees and in many ways suspended looking at bad policing. this country cannot be great if everyone is subject to people being able to do things and not be subject to full and thorough investigations. you are not above the law if you are law enforcement. you, more than anyone, should abide by the law and that should be established with a fair process, and that we are going to keep fighting for. that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 5:00 p.m. eastern for a new live edition of "politicsnation."

up next, "deadline: white house" with my friend nicolle wallace. ♪ ♪ hi, everyone. it is 4:00 in new york. this is what obstruction of justice looks like, two pieces of evidence that a federal judge has ordered to be made public. it could impact public opinion about the obstruction of justice investigation into donald trump. that investigation looked into trump's efforts to thwart the russia probe and ended with special counsel robert mueller saying he could not exonerate the president. now a federal judge has ordered the public release of some of the evidence that robert mueller contemplated when he wrote that he could not say the president hadn't committed crimes. that evidence includes a transcript of a phone call that stood in the center of the fbi's investigation into michael flynn, and a