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the president tweets about alabama's new abortion law. the questions about the timing of his response. plus, joe biden's message to america, and whether he's on message with the concerns of his party. new, today, breaking with his party, the first republican member of congress to declare that president trump committed impeachable conduct. republican congressman justin amash wrote on twitter that he reached that conclusion after reading the mueller report. amash wrote that impeachment does not require probable cause that a crime has been committed. but it requires that an official has behaved in abusive or dishonorable congress. amash siding with democrats in criticizing the attorney general. writing, quote, contrary to barr's portrayal, mueller's report reveals that pmp engaged in specific actions and a pattern of behavior that meet the threshold for impeachment.
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rashida tlaib is inviting her to co-sponsor her impeachment resolution. and the chair of the republican national committee is criticizing the amash, saying he is parroting the democrats' talking points. congressman amash has prooefszly and repeatedly criticized the president. >> this is out of character for the gop as a whole. but it is not out of character for justin amash. >> he has been more of a maverick. something of a libertarian. >> most republicans don't have the same base that justin maama has in that michigan district. >> nbc white house correspondent viquei viqueira. good morning. how startling is this? >> when you know justin amash and you know his history of bucking party politics, it's not that surprising.
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justin amash does not fit into neat categories. it's not part of the binary blue and red world or mindset that dominates washington right now. startling to see anyone with an "r" after his name say the things he said in the long series of tweets yesterday, about the mueller report. as he put it, the president's impeachable conduct, as described in that mueller report. and again, taking out after the attorney general, as well. the controversy there, of course. the four-page summary that the attorney general bill barr released four weeks before releasing the actual mueller report or a redacted version of that. amash concluding that bill barr intended to mislead the public with that summary and subsequent statements. we can't really look at this as the vanguard at this point anyway, of any republican insurrection between the
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president and congress at this point. >> talking about the alabama abortion question. what is he saying about that? >> this is fascinating. we had movements in legislators in massachusetts, mississippi and georgia. and then, alabama, the strictest of all. abortion only if the mother's life is at risk or the fetus can't survive. everyone from president robertson, for crying out loud, said it was too extreme. and now, president trump who had been silent on this for weeks, and in the wake of that alabama law very controversial and restrictive alabama law. he tweeted last night about it. he said the following -- as most people know i'm strongly pro-life with three exceptions. rape, incest and protecting the life of the mother, the same position taken by ronald reagan. in a subsequent tweet, he warned
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some folks, if we're foolish and we don't stay united, then the gains, the judicial gains, the judges that the president touts, the conservative judges on the bench, all of that will be at risk. the interesting part of this, is kaley m kaley mcananny appeared on msnbc and got out ahead of where the president was. >> the president has been clear since the last campaign, he is four exceptions for rape and incest in the life of the mother. there's been no more pro-life president. i will say he has said repeatedly. >> she was ahead of the president. but subsequently, in the next couple of hours, we saw the tweets that we reviewed and read from president trump, making his stand clear on the alabama law.
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mike, thank you. joining me now, melanie zinona. and good morning to you both. do you get a sense that congressman amash is acting on principle? or is he motivated by political reasons? >> justin amash is someone who has a long history of standing up to his own party. he's never towed the party line. when republicans held the house majority, he voted against leadership when he took a stand. he's an institutionalist and a con ser conservative. hi threatened to quit the freedom caucus because he didn't think it was standing up enough to the president. when you try to assess his motivations, he's not ruled out running against the president in 2020. he's getting a primary
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challenge, most likely, in his own race. that's something to look out for, as well. >> kevin, he is also taking a swipe at attorney general barr, saying he deliberately misrepresented mueller's report. is there anything to the timing of his statements? why now? >> that's the question that republicans are asking, what took so long, if he was going to get to this conclusion. it's one thing to come out and say there's impeachable conduct. there's another to wait weeks after. congressman amash is taking the line of argue meamentative reas here. why now? what took so long? and what does he hope to get out of all of this? it's interesting to see how some are -- >> is there any reason to
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believe this is something bigger? could we see more republicans follow suit here? >> i'm not really expecting a groundswell of support for impeachment from republicans. everyone else has weighed in. justin amash is one of the only republicans or democrats, actually, that said, i'm not sure what my response is. i'm reading through the report. this is significant. that's because democrats can say we have bipartisan support for impeachment. pelosi said, we cannot move forward with impueachment, unles we have republicans on our side. i'm sure reporters and the rank and file will be pressing. is bipartisan one republican? it still is significant to hear him coming out and saying these things. >> a quick question to you both. melanie, i can get your answer first. on the abortion matter, do you
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think he needed to get on the record after his 2020 spokesperson came out and made the statement that we heard earlier? >> there's a lot of pressure for republicans to come out and distance themselves from this specific law and showing they are still pro-life. >> what do you think, kevin? >> i think what you had was a situation where, this is a president in charge of the republican party. and the republicans want to know where the party stands. what you heard from mccarthy was a preview in terms of the politics of this and how much of an issue it was for the president than what we heard from kayleigh. new reports on how frustrated democrats are in their stalled investigations into the president.
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man mcgahn is supposed to testify on tuesday. but no word on whether he will show up. >> they are going to try to press in every which way. it will be fascinating to see if republicans join with democrats the get mueller to testify. i heard from aides of republican members who suggested they would like to hear bob mueller testify. william barr is willing to investigate the investigators, pressing back hard against the democrats. you saw that the other day. >> melanie, a potential strategy is finding jij ining individual jailing those that are behind subpoenas. >> we're starting to hear the democrats float different options. we're hearing some democrats threaten to withhold the sala
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salaries salary. it shows that democrats are struggling to poke holes in the white house's stonewalling. and i do think that we will see some more contempt citations. but democrats are reluctant to go too far. they don't want to be seen as being too aggressive. there could be backlash with the voters. they're struggling and weighing just how far to go. with the jailing and fining, congress is ill-equipped to do something like that. there was talk if there's a jail in the capitol. there is no jail. >> that's good to know. how long can the white house keep up the stonewalling? >> as long as they need to. publicly and privately, they're not going to change their mind all of a sudden and hand over president trump's taxes. this is something that's gone on for years.
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i think the continuing of the hammering on the issue is something that republicans are saying, bring it on. they don't really feel that there's really going to be anything but the courts that decide this thing. >> let's switch some gears now. joe biden, he held his official rally yesterday in pennsylvania. he called for unity and assailing trump as the divider in chief. what was your view of his kickoff rally? how do you think he performed there? >> he is taking a page out of the obama playbook. obama ran on hope and change. there's a good article in the "rolling stone" saying that anger can be beneficial some ways. you can motivate the base and turn people out, as we saw in 2018. we'll have to wait and see if biden's strategy is going to work for him. >> there was a headline in "the
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washington post" saying that when it comes to the democratic pattial field, bigger is not better. >> i think former vice president biden had one of the best rollouts in a very crowded democratic presidential field. and he really laid the battle lines and how he's going to draw a contrast for himself against president trump. the question becomes how will he draw the contrast and the 20-plus democrats that are challenging him in the field. it was a rollout to show he has a top tier level campaign. but look to see where the positioning comes from the other top tier candidates. >> see if he can keep the large lead he holds. thank you so much for joining me on this sunday morning. hitting hezbollah where it hurts. we'll talk about this article next. coming up at 9:00 eastern, the newest 2020 presidential
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remain. with exxon mobil becoming the latest to evacuate its employees from iraq. nbc news tehran bureau chief. what are you hearing in tehran? are there signs that tensions are de-escalating? >> good morning, phillip. tensions are ratcheting up and down moment-to-moment. in the last day or two, circumstances seem to be calmer. iran's foreign minister saying that tehran is not looking for a conflict. and no country is under the illusion it can confront his money. iran has offloaded missiles that were placed on small boats in the persian gulf.
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part of the u.s. carrier group has entered the gulf without incident. companies like exxon mobil are evacuating foreign staffs. allies of the united states, like the united kingdom, have raised the threat level for iran. and the narrative coming out of iran remains in contrast to the one coming out of the united states. america is saying that tehran is up to no good. tehran is saying that this crisis is entirely manufactured by the united states. but if push comes to shove, if shooting starts, iran is more than capable to deal with it. the new head of the revolutionary guard has been making fiery comments, saying that iran is not afraid of war with america. and its forces have positioned the u.s. soldiers.
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he also went as far as to compare the might of the united states to the world trade center. saying, the united states may look strong and stable, but it can be brought down with one swift hit. it's unclear what tomorrow will bring in this game of brinksmanship. but there's tensions nonetheless, which i said, have always defined iran's relationship with the united states. >> keeping us up to date, ali arouzi. let's bring in jack jacobs. colonel, good morning. u.s. officials say that iran has removed missiles from two boats. could that be a tactical shift by iran or the united states walking back its own rhetoric.
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>> don't forget that the missiles are on the boats to start with, because of the republican guard there's, trying to walk it back. >> congressman gallego says there has to be a fine line between deterrence and escalation. we can't go to war when a 17-year-old fires an ak-47 at u.s. interests. is this a possibility given the current scenario? >> going to war? i doubt it. any encounters we've had in the past have been one-offs. errant actors, getting involved in an engagement with the united states. neither side fared very well. but it de-escalated because nobody wanted to go to war in the persian gulf. the unloading of the missiles,
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the work of the republican guard, like i said, tends to diffuse the situation because they are less likely to get into a one-off confrontation with the united states in the gulf. the united states doesn't want to get involved in a confrontation, either. that's why the government sent the task force and bombers into the region to make sure that any confrontation is going to end quickly on the american side. it's unlikely there will be a wider conflict. >> "the post" reporting that sanctions are hurting hezbollah. and saying while there will be hardship, iranians have plans to smuggle the oil. how effective are sanctions in a case like this? >> they've been very effective. the united states have failed to punish those who are skirting
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the sanctions. any shipment of oil or any treed th trade that takes place outside of the actions, the government wants to punish those, as well, having an effect on iranian trade. having a greatly reduced income many iran and is causing hardship for other actors, irania iranian-supported actors like hezbollah. >> officials say they're waiting by the phone for iran to call. do you envision iran making that phone call? >> i do. but what's important is that, any calls take place are not advertised. we said it before, woodrow wilson said, we need a public pact publicly arrived at. we need conclusive agreements. but they will never get made if
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there's a public discussion of the phone calls to set up the meetings and the results of the meetings and so on. all of that has to take place behind closed doors. >> nicholas kristof is pointing out that the u.s. is already in war with iran. why do you think this is not as concerning to the american public? >> because we're not physically involved directly. it is a proxy war. the engagements are fewer and less violent in the past. it's a long-running conflict. two actors want to control influence in the region. we don't have american troop there's. we don't advertise it very much. there's a lot of places in which the united states is involved in other conflicts and we don't hear about it much because we
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don't have american forces actually engaged on the ground. in deed, one can make an argument that even in those areas we are engaged, we used to hear about america in fights. we still have them, in places like africa. our focus and attention is much more inward today, phillip. >> that's true. in the case of yemen, congress wanted out. but president trump said no. colonel jack jacobs, thank you so much. the legal storms brewing over new abortion restrictions and how they might threaten roe v. wade. and the quit rate is twice as high for them. here's a hack: make sure there's bandwidth for everyone. the more you know. not this john smith. or this john smith. or any of the other hundreds of john smiths
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dangerous weather across the country, after tornadoes ripped through nebraska, texas and oklahoma. roofs were torn off and cars were toppled. the national weather service warns severe weather will spread into the great lakes, ohio valley and northeast, as the weekend comes to a close. former president jimmy carter will not be teaching
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sunday school as planned. he is recovering from recent hip replacement. the 39th president has taught several hundred classes in his hometown. >> war of will won the preakness. >> war of will did win the proo preakness. the main players in the derby did not run, ensuring there will not be a triple crown contender, heading into june's belmont stakes. bo bodexpress dumped his skwok can i, velazquez. he walked away without injury. as new abortion bans passed into law this week, organizations like aclu and p n planned parenthood filed lawsuits.
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lawmakers in eight state are limiting abortion procedures. the bill in alabama is the full outright ban on abortion, with no exception for victims of rape or incest. this sets up new legal battles but the law isn't saet to go ino effect for six months. good morning to you both. yesterday, alex whit spoke with a state senator when this will take effect. >> it will be a shame if this law actually goes into effect in november and their plan does not happen as they want it to, with going to the u.s. supreme court and trying to overturn roe versus wade.
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>> could federal courts stop these laws? >> these bills are a violation. they knew that when they enacted it. they knew the bills violated the federal constitution as we have briti accomplished right now. the question is where the lower level courts are going to issue injunctions and strike these balls down. i think abortion rights are going to be quieted. people won't be willing to do it. doctors will be scared they might face prosecution. everybody knows the laws, as they are currently written, are unconstitutional. folks are scared to perform portions. doctors will be scared to go forward until there's clarification on the laws. >> you wrote, if this challenge
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to alabama's abortion ban makes it to the supreme court, it's possible that roe v. wade could be overturned. does alabama's bill leaving out rape and incest actions help overturning roe? >> it might. it might be a strategic exception. by limiting the rape and incest, it's consistent with personhood. for that reason, it may put it in a good position to challenge roe v. wade and planned parenthood v. casey, if they get across the idea that a person is begun at inception. rape and incest would blame the child for the sins of the parent. therefore, this might be the best to get to the supreme court and challenge roe v. wade.
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that degree unites a constitutional right where no much right exists in the text and the history of the constitution. >> that's a fascinating argument. ashley, what is your take on this? do you think ideology is a threat to the rule of law? >> we have a lot of advances. medical advances. now, the american people are able to see the child. they're able to see heartbeats earlier. this shhas caused us to take another look at abortion. in alabama, how do you enforce that? how do you determine if they're a victim of rape or incest? it will be interesting how that is played out in the courts. and the selective enforcement. that's one of the issues in georgia, where a lot of district attorneys said, we're not going to prosecute this law. we feel it's unconstitutional.
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but, can doctors and women rely on that. are they going to feel comfortable relying on a promise, they're not going to be prosecuted under this law? or are they going to abide by what's on the books? it will be an interesting thing to see how it plays out. >> danny, are challenges against these states usually successful? and who does decide what are fundamental rights? >> the supreme court was the one that came up with fundamental rights. there's certain fundamental rights that the state must have a need to affect those rights or encroach upon them. the challenge is finding what are the rights? they rateuated from a fundal of rights in the constitution. if you like roe and you like the
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outcome of roe, you should hate row. roe has kept pro-abortion advocates wondering if this could be overturned. it can be overturned. >> as you mentioned, you're in georgia, where a fetal heartbeat bill was passed. it's not as restrictive as alabama's. do you think other vorgss of alabama's bill would be able to overturn roe v. wade? >> i don't think we see roe v. wade being overturned. i think the lower courts will strike down the laws. they're unconstitutional. the lower courts will be striking down these laws. and i don't think we're going to see the supreme court deciding to actually hear these.
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i think they let the lower courcour courts decide it. they decide they're unconstitutional. then, it will be, are we going to abide by the laws? >> ashleigh, thank you both. we're getting started on this sunday. at the top of the hour, it's "up with david gura." and david has a look at what's coming up. we're going to be joined by another contender for the presidential contention. bill de blasio has faced criticism for joining the race. and a couple of bills in the narcotic legislature. one bill would make it easier
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for someone pardoned by the president to be prosecuted at the state level. the other piece of legislation is to allow lawmakers to get access to the state tax returns. that comes as steven mnuchin refuses to provide documents to the congress. there's a new report on race, privilege and what it means for s.a.t. results. nbc's gutierrez has more. >> reporter: this 18-year-old was about to graduate near atlanta and couldn't afford college if not for scholarships. do you think students with a compromised socioeconomic ground have an advantage? >> i think they do. >> reporter: the college is endorsing an adversity score, including the kram crime rate
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tonight is the night. the final episode of "game of thrones." amid the anticipation, there's a protest of some of the most devoted fans of the series. gau gau gadi schwartz has all of the fuss and fan frustration on the finale. >> reporter: there's a saying in west rose. >> winter is coming. >> reporter: not that one.
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>> not that one, either. >> if you think this has a happy ending, you've not been paying attention. >> reporter: if you haven't seen the show with around 18 million viewers tuning in for the final season, there's no way you haven't heard the hype. ♪ sunday "game of thrones" day i'm excited ♪ >> to the skits. >> you two need to respect each other. >> reporter: who could forget all of the reactions to a certain episode in season three? it's something that's been an obsession for superfans like ed sheeran and aaron rodgers and so much of us free folk. why is there a petition with 600,000 signatures asking for the entire last season to be remade? >> what is the point? where did the storyline come from? >> probably because of how things turned out in the last
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a renegade republican is flipping the switch on the impeachment debate. justin amash said he reached the conclusion after impeachment after reading the mueller report. he turned his fire on bill barr for deliberately misrepresenting mueller's report, and other members of congress, for failing to read it, before reaching their own conclusions. let's bring in bishop garrison and brian darling, founder of liberty government affairs. good morning to you both. brian, how big of an upset is this for the republican party? >> i like justin amash. he is one of the leaders of the house. he's a libertarian-ish republican. he may run for president as a
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libertarian. that being said, i disagree with his analysis. i don't think he's right. i think when you look at the mueller report, it was released. it was not suppressed. it's out there in the public donate. the president did not obstruct the investigation. he provided people in his administration to come testify. and so, i think he's wrong. i think it gives oxygen to the left. just and mash is an independent member of congress. and people look at this as something that one independent republican has gone off on his own and done. >> bishop, why do you think congressman amash stopped short of making a direct call to stop impeachment proceedings? >> sure. because of the end of the day, he is a republican member of the house. i applaud him or i thank him for having the kurcourage to come
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forward. this is too little, too late. he and his colleagues should have been more vocal a long time ago. to wait now when we have a fever pitch of issues coming forward, and a lot of this based off of what we have seen in the mueller report, it's too much, too late. the biggest thing for me is, we need to see republicans that are within the house and within the senate, that have the courage to step forward and say, look, i have read this report, and the fully redacted report. we, as the public, and many of us, our representatives, have not seen the full redacted report. for the members to come forth and say they want to read it and for what the republican member did. to brian's point, the president has not done all he can. this administration has not done all it can to support the efforts behind this report. you saw attorney general barr
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absolutely fighting with members of congress, who refuses to come before the white house committee, who refuses to -- excuse me, the administration refuses to let the former white house counsel some forth and provide testimony. these are all issues that are going to continue to feed the fire that is this issue. >> brian, do you think this will open the door for other presidents to misrepresent conduct? >> i don't think so. i think justin amash is running for president. this shows that he is going to probably run as a libertarian for president. i think maybe i'm wrong. i don't think people follow justin amash. he leads his caucus of one. that being said, look at this investigation. the mueller report is out. the mueller report took in
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hundreds of thousands of testimony and documents. i don't think congress should engage in a witch hunt for the sole purpose of hurting president trump, in his 2020 election bid. the investigation has happened. >> this isn't just about the sole, trying to hurt trump politically. this is trying to get to the truth of the matter. the mueller report was a net gain, financially, as well. the idea this is about political gains is ridiculous. this is bringing people to justice. >> bishop, politico's jake sherman points out that amash's calls for trump's impeachments makes the calls bipartisan. we remember that's a threshold that was previously set by democratic leadership, including nancy pelosi. do you think there's a double-edge sword for democrats, to raise the pressure to impeach?
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>> if you're talking impeachment, we should be looking at the letter of the law and looking at our value set. we should not make it a political cpolitic co calculouse. i think they should be able to say, did he violate the law that necessitates impeachment? if the answer is yes, they should move forward. they should do it for the benefit of all people, republicans and democrats. >> brian, on the 2020 front, democratic contender, joe biden, took a few swings at president trump and republicans. let's listen to that. >> his attack on the congress, blocking the constitutional responsibility to legitimately
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engage in oversight. placing him above the law. and by the way, without a whimper from the republicans in congress who know better. these things are corrosive. they threaten the values of this nation. they undermine our standing around the world. >> is this what we can expect from joe biden in the coming months? >> definitely. democrats are unified when they're bashing donald trump. and the rhetoric is to bash donald trump and make one of him and give him a hard time. joe biden is having a hard time unifying his own party. >> all right. thank you so much for joining me early on this sunday. ahead, climate change is a top issue for americans. but how much impact does it have on the vote in 2020? of cure.
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