>> what a contrast that would be. between donald trump and beto o'rourke. it would be incredible. >> history calls for us to come together. to show ourselves, our fellow americans the generations that follow. what we're made of and what we can do. the only way to get it done is get it done together. thank you for having me out here. this is an msnbc special series. 30 years ago, i embraced hate and perpetrated violence. but when i finally wanted to leave america's white power movement, there was nobody willing to help a confused nazi skinhead like me. >> another 15 seconds. >> today, i'm the guy i needed back then. i help people break their hate, atone for their wrongs and start over again with a clean slate. >> if you are tough enough to put it on, you have to be tough

enough to get it taken off. i'm what's called a former, someone with street credit who has walked in their boots and left that life behind. all across the country, i help extremists disengage before they destroy the lives of others, but sometimes i'm too late. >> tonight a shocking series of discoveries. the fbi found bomb making materials and radioactive elements they believe could be tied to a neo-nazi group. >> i never said go out and kill anybody. i said if you must do it, for god sake, do it right. >> to pull people out of hate in time. >> tell me what's going on. like what's happening? >> you have to first understand how they got pulled in. >> i don't know what this is.

>> that can be dangerous. i don't know if it's a trap. i don't really know what i'm walking into. >> the end game is simply pure unadulterated destruction. on may 19th, 2017, in tampa, florida, a story about a bizarre series of crimes unfolded on the "nightly news." >> with tampa police arrived at this smoke shop on friday, he was holding an employee and two customers at gunpoint. >> police responded to the hostage crisis and took this 18-year-old into custody. there he confessed to a far worse crime. a double homicide. >> arthurs admitted he killed his two roommates who he described as neo-nazis.

>> when police arrived at arthur's apartment, what they found was no ordinary crime scene. inside were neo-nazi decorations, hordes of white supremacist literature and a framed photograph of oklahoma city bomber timothy mcveigh. they also found the bodies of jeremy and andrew, both shot at close range with a semiautomatic weapon. police had no idea they had just stumbled on the headquarters of a newly created neo-nazi hate group. >> the vision is a terrorist organization that's part of -- >> what's it called? >> arthurs told investigators he had a falling out with his roommates, who he identified as neo-nazis.

>> they would stay stuff like they want to go target like blacks. these people, they were not just innocent people. they weren't just my roommates is what i mean. >> inside the apartment, the bomb squad also discovered explosive components, including homemade fuses and even radioactive material. arthurs claimed it belonged to a fourth roommate named brandon russell, a member of the florida national guard and the founder. >> he is the leader of the organization. i was a senior leader. >> i thought i had heard the name of just about every hate group in america, but i had never heard of adam. what i find about them online is deeply disturbing. powerful propaganda that highlights their shadowy para military organization.

even their name is extreme. it is german for atomic weapons. and from what i can tell, membership is growing. if i'm going to prevent more kids from falling prey, i need to find out how they're getting radicalized and recruited in the first place. the grieving family of andrew, one of the victims in the tampa killing, offering to help. while chris and their daughter emily, who live in an ordinary middle class neighborhood outside of boston are in a uniquely tragic position, they lost a loved one twice. first two an extremist ideology. then to an extremist bullet. >> from the outside, like my brother was a neo-nazi and people would message me on face bike saying your brother deserved to die.

he was in a neo-nazi group, but he was a good kid. you're like, no, those two things can coexist. >> i want to understand, you know, who was andrew as a kid? what was the trajectory? can you tell me a little bit about that? >> he was this little, lovable, red lipped kid. always drooling and so cuddly. he was compassionate and he had lots of empathy ♪ happy birthday to you. >> but 15 years later, andrew was a conflicted teenager. >> how can you have these feelings about jews and african-americans and on the other side be this loving and compassionate person? >> between 2012 and 2016, there

was a 600% increase in followers of white nationalist movements on twitter. most americans probably don't imagine one of them could be a suburban kid from massachusetts, but they'd be wrong. ♪ happy birthday to you. >> andrew was a contradiction, handsome, physically fit and outdoorsy. but also socially awkward, self-serious and obsessed with military history, all of which isolated him from kids his own age. >> i remember when he was a kid. the kids were really making fun of him one day in the cul-de-sac here, and i remember him stomping off and he was on the stove sitting there with his arms around his knees. that picture sticks with you.

>> in 2010 when andrew was 11, walt, a lieutenant commander in the united states navy, deployed to iraq for a year and things took a turn for the worse on the home front. andrew became angry and combative towards his mother and sister. he spent nights camping alone in the woods behind their house and hours isolated in his bedroom. they asked me to take a look around andrew's room to see if i could find clues to his dissent that they might have missed. i discovered numerous warning signs. of national socialism. the ideology of the nazi party. only visible to an experienced eye. >> so this book in particular, a lot of symbology here. the first thing i notice is the 1488.

the 14 words of the mantra. the 88 there stands for the eighth letter of the alphabet, hail hitler. >> i would not know any of that. your son comes downstairs, and i don't know what this is. >> this is the nordic root. it's the tree of life. i have tattooed on me. it's covered up now. and the band here is a norwegian black metal band. the singer of this ban went to prison for burning churches. he is very much a national social list as, you know, is the seed surrounding this band. that's what's called a wolf's hook or a wolf's angle. it's an old nazi national socialist symbol for world war ii. everything i have seen here is a sign that most parents would never know what to look for. >> i had no clue about that. >> for the first two years i was involved in the movement 14 and 15 years old. my parents had no idea.

one day i was bold enough to come home with a shaved head and tattoo. my parents said, what is this? i said too late. i see so many kids who had a bright future, who were smart, had the support of a family and most people think these are not the kids that get recruited that go down that path. >> yeah. that's not what you think of. >> broken homes, alcohol, addiction, abuse, and that certainly happens. but this is the bulk of what i see. >> and these days, my inbox is flooded with cries for help like these people who fear they are losing their loved ones to white power extremism. tonight one message stands out. >> christian, i was recently very publically outed as a prominent leader of a white national terror cell. this isn't a normal skin head group. it is a cult on steroids with lots of guns.

i have two options now. make it my life and destroy my family or get out. i just don't know how to do the latter. you are my last option. >> the e-mail was written by an active member of the same group andrew belonged to. he sounds scared, and he wants to talk.

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according to the southern poverty law center, there are now over a thousand hate groups currently operating in the united states. but this division is one of the least known and most extreme. the videos they post online evoke a kind of american isis. the group celebrates domestic

terrorists like timothy mcveigh and robert bowers. the man who shot and killed eleven jews in a pittsburg synagogue. >> we're taking on ak-47 fire. everybody available unit in the city needs to get here now. >> i never worked with any of their members, but now one of them has reached out. i have a rare chance to learn how this frightening organization linked to the murders of five people in the last two years is radicalizing recruits. i see this as really an opportunity to help people who might turn into active shooters or might be planning a terrorist attack. this is a critical stage. and hopefully it will help stop people from getting killed. any time somebody tells you that, you know, they were part

of a group that murdered people that were preparing for a race war, i take that seriously. i don't know if it's a trap. i don't know if this guy is genuine. i don't really know what i'm walking into. the man who has asked for my help is a leader in the new ranks. he has concerns about revealing his identity, so i agree to obscure his face, his voice and his real name. for now, i'll call him richard. >> so, you know, you reached out to me. tell me what's going on. like what's happening? >> i got caught up in what is basically becoming a white national terrorist group. >> how does one become a leader in the cell? >> it just means you are basically the first one in a specific area. you don't tell people to do any particular one thing or another.

it's a collection of lone wolves. >> if you were to estimate how big of an origination is this? >> i don't think they have more than 40 to 50 people. >> but 40 to 50, you know, terrorists could cause a lot of damage. >> sure. >> i was watching one of the propaganda videos which, to me, looked exactly like an isis video. what are people learning how to fire automatic weapons doing that for if they're not preparing for an armed race war? >> that is what they're preparing for. their end game is simply pure, unadulterated destruction. it is a death cult. >> are we going to see the day where they're walking into a school or to a mall or to a government building and, you know, opening fire on everybody? >> if they are, they're not going to tell anyone about it until it happens. >> given what richard tells me,

you might wonder why anyone would join a group as extreme as this. andrew's family tells me he was a lonely kid who had difficulty finding a group of friends or a community he could truly call his own. >> he didn't pick up on social cues. he couldn't engage in normal conversations like he could kind of play the game with adults but with peers he couldn't. >> you know, there are a lot of kids that are struggling that don't tell us what they're going through because they don't want to be seen as broken or odd because it's further isolating. what they don't understand is when they grav vat towards these movements, they're becoming more isolated. >> as andrew got older, he would spend hours all alone, researching conspiracy theories on the internet. >> sandy hook was a setup, right. >> the holocaust. >> men didn't land on the moon. >> or the vaccines.

>> you just stare at him like, are you serious? do you really believe that, andrew? it was so frustrating. >> andrew did believe it. and he began advocating his far right ideologies. his family got concerned. spendsing thousands of private school. out door leadership programs and psychologists. desperately trying to help their son. >> andrew had every resource available. they sacrificed everything. i think every time we talked it was like, what can we do for andrew? >> andrew was young and idealistic but socially isolated and confused. ripe for the picking for hate recruiters on the lookout for new blood. but i still need to find out how andrew found this division or if they found him. i switched to liberty mutual,

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>> nobody is born with a swastika flag. nobody is born with an isis flag in their hand. it fills some void in them. >> 18-year-old andrew was murdered by a member of the white supremacist group he joined trying to fill that void, the same way i once did. i was physically recruited in an alleyway in chicago while andrew's path to radicalization happened right here at home inside his bedroom was a portal into a dangerous world of false facts, deceptive propaganda and hate. few people understand that the internet itself has the power to radicalize young people, and the crux of this problem lies with platforms like google, reddit or youtube.

if you watch one or two videos, cure ration technology will continue feeding you similar content, not based on factual accuracy but on popularity with no reliable guide to help discern what's true and what's not. a person's world view can become poisoned. that's what happened to andrew. and richard tells me it is what happened to him, too. >> for me it just started with online activities. you know, just floating around on white boards. there is like a step process where you go from the alt right, then you start to get a little more extreme. then you get your full-fledged national socialist. >> like andrew, richard tells me

he's never had many friends. he went online in search of a brotherhood he could call his own. >> they automatically accept you for who you are and tell you you are the top dog and you fall for it. you really do. >> i know exactly how that feels because it happened to me 30 years ago. >> it was easy for them to put their hooks into me because i was looking for acceptance, and i was willing to do awful things to maintain that level of acceptance. >> the desire to fight for a cause and community is a power intoxicant for vulnerable people. andrew found an obscure one-half a world away. he became obsessed with a para military group in ukraine and watched videos of their exploits online. he saw them as freedom fighters battling pro-russian

separatists. in reality, it is also an infamous neo-nazi batalion. the group submission -- the group has learned to exploit the internet as an international recruitment tool. >> good evening and good morning to our listeners in the u.s. you are listening to -- >> when he was just 16, ukrainian supporters found andrew online and invited him to speak as an expert on their podcast. after andrew died, a journalist gave this recording to the family. >> today we have a life discussion with andrew who will discuss with me the situation and the right wing movement in the usa. >> hello. good morning. >> what is the current state of the national movement in the united states?

>> you know about the fbi, which is the internal security police for the united states. they have been doing a lot of work turning different nationalist organizations against each other. >> there is a change a little bit with donald trump. he's the most far right politician that we have had in this country in a very long time. and many people have come out in support of him. >> so this is pretty standard recruitment right here. they're empowering him by putting him on these platforms. >> yeah. >> andrew and i both wanted something we could believe in. i wanted to join the military. i wanted a cause and a purpose. and andrew kind of floundered and he's like that's not cool enough. i need to do something edgier. >> i think he was intercepted. an adult took that 16-year-old kid and manipulated him. >> twisted him.

>> exactly. that's what the influencers do. they find vulnerable people and promise them paradise. >> yeah. >> his interest in a teenager from boston may seem farfetched. but for years i have seen evidence of russian and ukrainians recruiting vulnerable americans. drawn to the slick propaganda. it is a frightening pattern confirmed by multiple sources, including this member richard. >> these groups are approaching people from the ukraine. and train. it is not just adam. it is a lot of national socialist groups. >> it turns out at least one member of an american hate group charged with inciting violence in charlottesville last year also trained in ukraine with azof batalion. this should scare the hell out of everyone.

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president trump issuing a warning to iran tweeting if they want to fight that will be the official end of iran. never threaten the united states again. this comes days after the

president said he's hoping the two countries will not go to war. a major supply for graduating seniors. after receiving a hon nar. billionaire robert smith announced he would wipe out all the student debt of the entire class of 2019. for now, back to "breaking hate." i have been working with extremists for nearly 20 years. in that time i have noticed a behavior pattern i call cult hopping. it is when vulnerable are so desperate to find a sense of identity or purpose that they jump from one extreme group to another. ideology isn't as important as the desire to belong. in andrew's sophomore year of high school, he decided to run away from home and join the neo-nazi azof batalion in ukraine.

>> he comes down to the bedroom. he's crying. and i said, what is going on? and he said, you're not going to believe this. he bought a one way ticket. he had a fake passport. he bought a fake passport from ireland, $500 it cost him because he thought his u.s. passport may fail. he arranged for a hostile in kiev, for a limousine to come to the house and pick him out. he flushed the money into his account and out the same day. i never saw it. he's so smart. so he had $250 in cash. >> kevlar plates. >> sleeping bags, everything, ready to go. >> so sad. >> i mean, i know what a go bag looks like. >> after they discovered andrew's plan, they intervened and talked him out of it. but he remained isolated an disconnected except for online.

>> in august of 2016, i started to hear about this kid jeremy. and i was like, this is kind of nice. you know, andrew is fanning out and being social. >> it was just a sigh of relief. >> and you're hopeful because the last thing you want is to see your kid sitting there with no friends. and before he died, he talked to chris and said, mom, how do you make friends? >> did he say that? >> we went out for dinner together and he's like, mom, tell me. >> i had no idea he said that. >> yeah. >> so when you look at it, some of the things that were probably warning signs, alarm bells, you may have disregarded because you're like, oh, okay, you know,

he's branching out. he's doing this. >> andrew and jeremy developed a strong bond, and they tell me he was a good hearted kid. what they didn't know is that the boys had actually met on a neo-nazi website and were now diving deeper into white nationalism. around this time, racist recruitment posters began popping up on various campuses in chicago, florida, virginia and boston. boston university police posted a video of one of the suspects asking for the public's help. they knew immediately it was their son. andrew had finally found a community and a cause to fight for. >> is that something that he had

hanging in his room? >> this is hanging above this, his futon. and that is when i knew. i was like, this is real. i was like, how do you think this looks from the outside world. when i think of evil, this is what it's synonymous with. you're not going to have a job. you are not going to have a future. if this is what you choose, it's over. he just didn't care. >> but emily, who is now preparing to serve in the u.s. military, was growing more concerned. >> i was in my rotc unit, and we had an fbi agent come and talk. talk about home grown violence. we look at each other and we're like, oh, my god, this is my brother. i went up to the agent afterwards and i was like, hey, i don't know what to do. like i think this lines up with who my brother is. and he's like, well, there is not really anything we can do. here's my card like if you need something. i was like --

>> a response like this just begs the question, are violent white supremacist groups even on the government's radar? >> we've got thousands of analysts focussed on the threat from radical islam. but who is looking at the threat within? >> darrell johnson is a former homeland security intelligence expert who drafted a 2009 report cautioning the rise of far right extremism and how it could lead to bloodshed on america's streets. >> since 2008, we had a combination of first african-american president, which became a recruitment tool for them. but what's really kept this movement going is the fact that their extremist messages that have been mainstream. when you have the person in charge of the country talking about these things and making

them seem normal -- >> but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. >> it emboldens those on the fringes. >> i just cannot, cannot understand why we're having such a hard time calling it terrorist. >> a narrative for terrorism is middle eastern, you know, brown, arab people. when you say that we have people within our own country who are white and they get radicalized, people dismiss it as the act of a crazed gunman or a hate crime. >> in 2018, 50 more americans were killed by extremists who all took inspiration from the same far right websites and the same hate filled source material. and, yet, a 2019 rand report confirmed that under the trump administration funding for homeland security programs to counter domestic extremism was cut by around 70%.

>> suspect is talking about all these jews need to die. >> all this leaves a wide open playing field for influencer like james mason, a long-time figure in the white power movement who debated his world view on radio programs like this one from 1991. >> you're advocating murder and terrorism. you're advocating the violent overthrow of the government. >> i'm telling you what's on the way, sir. it's going to happen on its own. no one can stop it. no one. >> in the apartment where andrew was murdered, tampa police found flyers that quoted james mason, proof to me of his influence on that group.

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nothing exists in a vacuum, and the white power movement is no different. there have always been puppet masters pulling the strings and fuelling hatred. when it comes to influences, one name comes up again and again, james mason. a man whose photos blanket their website. mason was recruited into the american nazi party at 14 years old. in 1980 he began publishing newsletters collected into what became a play book for white supremacists.

>> siege calls for the use of violence to jump start a race war, ideas that they adopted as their own. >> white revolution is the only solution. >> i tracked mason down and found him living in denver, not far from the state capital and somewhat to my surprise, he agrees to meet me. >> mr. mason. >> christian, how are you? >> i'm good. how are you? >> i'm good. >> i read mason's writings when i first joined the movement. i never imagined i would be seated across from him one day on opposite sides of a deadly conflict. >> a group is inspired by your writings. >> they -- yeah. >> how do you feel that the writings that you wrote even in the '80s that i remember reading. >> yeah. >> are out there today still

inspiring people to kill other people. >> well, now wait a minute. i never said go out and kill anybody. i said if you -- if you or anybody else must do this, for god's sake, do it right. >> i find out they make pilgrimages to his apartment to snap photos with their video and using the internet to make his vile ideas relevant to a new generation of racists. but i know from experience that no one is radicalized purely by ideology. everyone has a back story. >> i was hating school. i was turning very much inward. i was alienated and i was angry. when you put those two together, look out. my dad has a private ars ars -- arsenal.

he had one thousand round for each piece. i said to myself, if something doesn't change within a few days, i'm going into that office and settling accounts. >> you're talking about being a school shooter. >> i was going to be the first. what stopped you? >> i called party headquarters. >> the american nazi party. >> they invited mason to join, and that diverted his path from school shooter and launched his career as a propagandaist. >> would you discourage one of your followers who came to you in private? and said i'm thinking about doing this. >> i've had it happen. young people. and i said don't do it. don't do it. you're valuable. we need you. i had sam woodward here. and if he had run that past me, i would have said don't do it. >> in january of 2018, samuel woodward stabbed to death a 19-year-old jewish college student.

>> don't do it why? >> because you are worth far more. >> what about the person's life who was lost? >> i'm not too concerned about it. i'm not too concerned. >> but knowing there are people like that that are reading your book and living out word for word. >> if you have got to do it, make it worthwhile. >> so somebody like james alex fields who drove his car into a group of people and murdered a woman, you wouldn't condone that. >> that had to be done. there should have been more. i think somebody should have opened up on that crowd of communists down there and just lay them waste. >> oh, my god! >> he should have accounted for 50 or more. now he's doing life for one confused, lost and confused white girl who got turned against her own people.

>> well, i know heather's mother. she lost her daughter who was at the peak of her life. >> she was victimized by the communists. >> she was victimized by a nazi. that nazi drove his car and murdered her. james, you have been doing this for 50 years. >> 53. >> 53 years. are you tired? >> no. i never been more invigorated. most people don't survive. they will either burn out or go to jail or be killed. but i survived. i survived. >> james mason has survived by living like a coward. staying in a background while inspiring others to bloody their hands and commit violence. i can't stop him from spreading more propaganda. what i can do is hold him accountable and try to prevent more recruiting like richard from falling prey to it.

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searching for a cause in a community he could call his own. first, he tried to join a battalion and then found one online. putting up hate posters didn't make him a warrior. that's what he really wanted. in the autumn of 2016, his search for the right fit took another drastic turn. he flew to paris and enlisted in the french foreign legion. >> the french for ren legion to him was built up as the truman's military.

his fellow legionnaires' didn't understand why he joined. they felt the community he was searching for was back home. >> you're a u.s. kid. why aren't you joining the u.s. military? >> something about what these professional soldiers said had an impact, so andrew faked an injury and returned home. >> he was a different person when he came back from the legion. there are lessons he learned there even though we would want to teach him and not have to go through that he had to go through it. he comes back and andrew is apologizing. he said, i'm really sorry for what i've put you guys through. and he said, i didn't realize that my beliefs would bring me all these negative things. and then he said, if you hear me saying something or doing something that's sending me down the wrong road, please tell me, because i would like to fix it.

>>ion with people you've dealt with if there's an epiphany or this point it's kind of the tipping point, but adam had taken a back seat at that point. he's looking at, where do i go now? >> he decide to follow in the footsteps of his father and sister and enlist in the united states navy. but before signing on, he made a fateful choice to accept a summer job in florida with his good friend, jeremy him melman. that meant sharing an apartment with the old adam and crew, brandon russell and devin arthurs. andrew and jeremy's text thread, shared by the onuschucks tells me they had mixed feelings about the trip. had mixed feelings abot the trip

once andrew arrived in tampa, tensions began to rise between the roommates. >> we had talked to andrew on wednesday and he said, i'm ready to get out of here. devin arthurs has converted to islam, and he's spouting off all this stuff. >> isis stuff? >> yes. >> he's listening to jihadist videos. andrew was frustrated. he had only been down there for what, a week and a half? >> a week and a half. >> andrew told his parents devin and brandon tore down and american flag he hung on the wall and were using it as a doormat. >> andrew, why don't you get out of there now? >> no. i signed up for this job for two weeks, i'll have more money and can head home. >> it was a temp job. >> temp job. >> devin came in and surprised them and shot both of them.

>> it was like two days, you know, the difference in a life was like two days. >> two years ago on may 19th j 2017, andrew was murdered. after spending a year in a psychiatric facility, his alleged killer, devin arthurs, is in jail awaiting trial. brandon russell, the leader of adam, is serving a five years prison sentence of unlawful explosions. recently, facebook announced a no tolerance policy for white nationalism. google which owns youtube and twitter, are also taking steps to limit hateful content. for andrew, it's too late. because of what happened, andrew will always be different things to different people. to some, he's a nazi who deserved to die. but to his family, he's

remembered as a happy little boy, a brother who planned to serve his country, and a hard working son who will never finish the treehouse he was building with his father. when i think about andrew losing his life at 18 years old, it reminds me i didn't leave the white power movement until i was 22. andrew onuschuck will never have the opportunity that i did, to become a better man. but the hope is that i can get to others and break the hate before it turns deadly. that's my goal with richard. >> are you denouncing what you -- >> yeah. i denounce it fully. >> i'm not going to sugarcoat it. ion that anybody, including myself, is going to believe you unless you're willing to put in the hard work. >> i know. of course not. >> for richard, the hard work will begin when i set him up with a therapist and family

counselor. he'll need to confront some deeply held beliefs and make amends for the harm he's caused to his family and the community. >> are you concerned about your well-being now that you've decided to break from it? >> i'm concerned for my family, but anything else, there's so much hatred they want to wreck it anywhere they can. >> going into this, i was skeptical, and i still have concerns about whether he's genuine or not. i could hear it in his voice he was afraid. he's walking away from people who not only want to violently murder their enemies, but are also willing to murder their own. i'm willing to help you. part of what i do is i don't judge, i just help. >> thank you. >> since i started working with richard, i've received e-mails from two more members who want out i plan on helping them, too.

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