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>> good tuesday evening. i'm chuck todd here in washington. we begin with major news roiling the democratic caucus. and the house speaker nancy pelosi facing arguably her biggest problem yet. she's battling growing calls for impeachment as the president continues to ramp up his stonewalling of house democratic probes. and moments ago, democrats escalated their fight by issuing more subpoenas. this time for don mcgahn's chief of staff after mcgahn was directed to not appear at the president's direction, and also a subpoena for hope hicks, the president's former senior adviser. nadler says these two witnesses are key to his investigation into obstruction of justice, public corruption, and abuse of power by president trump. three issues you would assume would be part of an impeachment investigation, but right now, the judiciary committee does not call it an impeachment probe. the big question now is, what is the democratic leadership going to do? in just a moment, i'll be joined by a top member of democratic

leadership, democrat jim clyburn. it's his job to know where members stand on this issue. and today, after mcgahn's no show, the position of many members began to slowly shift. because that move ignited a growing number of house democrats to say enough is enough. >> if don mcgahn doesn't testify, it is time to open an impeachment inquiry. >> the only thing we can do is to start that impeachment inquiry. >> believe that we have come to the time of impeachment. >> the president of the united states of america needs to be impeached. >> i believe that an inquiry into impeachment is required at this point in time. >> we should launch a formal inquiry because then we can get more facts. >> i think that we're going down a road where impeachment proceedings become inevitable. >> i would support it.

in the leadership meeting last night, sources tell nbc news that pelosi remains weary of calls to begin a formal impeachment process, and those concerns were aired publicly from leadership today. >> i disagree with the notion that a growing number of the house democratic caucus want to jump straight to impeachment. the caucus wants to proceed methodically in that regard. >> i don't think we're there at this point in time. i think the majority of democrats continue to believe that we need to continue to pursue the avenue that we've been on in trying to elicit information, testimony, review the mueller report, view other items that have gone on. if the facts lead us to a broader action, so be it. >> so doesn't it put more pressure on you that a conservative republican says the threshold for impeachment has been met? >> no. >> no? >> no. >> why? >> we -- this isn't about

politics. it's not about passion, not about prejudice. not about politics. it's about patriotism. >> now, the big question is whether or not pelosi and leadership risk be rolled by their caucus, especially amid a flood of headlines and developments pushing more democrats to their breaking points. and in fact, this afternoon, the dnc, which you would assume is acting in concert at times with its house leadership, the dnc seems to be laying out the case for an impeachment proceeding without using the i-word. they put out a list of what they billed as at least a dozen times trump has obstructed house investigations. number one on their list, the president's decision to direct his former white house counsel to defy a congressional subpoena. so which way is the wind blowing in the democratic caucus on impeachment? you have a republican congressman going further on impeachment than the democratic party's speaker of the house. joined by a top member of the house democratic leadership, congressman jim clyburn, and it actually is his job to know

where every member stands on every single issue. at least the democratic side of the aisle. congressman clyburn, always a pleasure. thanks for coming on. >> thank you so much for having me. i don't know about every member, but i'm comfortable. >> i hear you. let me ask it this way. if you did a secret ballot among the democratic caucus, yes or no on impeachment, what would the majority likely be? >> oh, the majority would be no. >> you believe that? >> yes, i do. it's not as big a majority today or yesterday as today. but a majority will be for staying steady, staying focused, stay on what we're doing, because this thing is moving in our direction. we have just seen members or staff at the bank, deutsche bank, saying they saw

irregularities taking place, and they're all for us finding out about it. we know that amash has broken ranks. he's a republican, irrespective of what you may think about him, he's broken ranks. we have a court decision in our favor. that we did not have two days ago. and who knows what's to come next. let's just stay steady, stay focused, this thing is moving in our direction. let's not get in its way. >> why do you think justin amash is wrong about when he thinks it's time to open an impeachment query and that essentially perhaps crimes were committed? >> well, time is a relative thing. it may be time, but not today. i think it's time for us to stay focused on this issue, keep what we're doing, keep doing it. and i think the american people are coming to the conclusion

that this man thinks he's above the law and they don't like it. they know that he's covering up something, and they want to find out what it is. they want us to do what is necessary to protect the integrity of this democracy, not to salve whatever it may be, our itch at this particular point. an itch in our caucus for impeachment, but let's not deal with that yet. >> well, i guess here's the -- here's what's confusing, i think, to some. which is what is the trigger then? you know, no one seems to know what is the trigger, when you seem to be describing, well, look, it looks like the line is going to get crossed. and one day we're going to wake up and everybody is going to be in agreement it's time to start the process. look at what's happening already. courts are slowly coming your way. republicans are coming your way. you sort of see it as inevitable. i guess, what is the trigger

then? what is this magic moment you're waiting for where you're going to be like, aha, we're here? >> well, chuck, i don't know if i know exactly what it is. but i do know that we will reach a point when we will say now is the time. i don't think we have reached that point yet. it's almost like anything else. i may not know exactly what it is, but i think we'll recognize it when we see it. >> is it just more defiance of subpoenas, more -- i mean, is there just a point where after the fifth, 50th subpoena, that they don't comply with, that's it. you see what i'm saying here? i think some folks are looking for, okay, is there a line in the sand that you're going to draw that the public knows about rather than sort of quietly waiting until they violate it? >> i don't know if we'll draw any lines in the sand. i think the public will know and we will know. i really believe strongly that

we should not run the risk of overlooking something, missing a step, and having a court later say, why didn't you do this? it was in front of you. why didn't you file some objections. why didn't you bring this person in? why didn't you attempt to resolve this without clogging up the courts? and let's do that. all of us, i'm not a lawyer, but i do know that these are the kinds of things that we should try to resolve administratively, legislatively, and not do it judicially until it's absolutely necessary, and it's not absolutely necessary yet. >> are you concerned, though, that the white house is ort of using your desire to sort of stay within the guardrails of political norms against you? you know, they're going to defy

everything, and defy, defy, defy. part of it is simply buying time. it looks to me as if they're just hoping at some point you guys decide it's just too close to 2020. we're -- there's no way we can do this now. are you at all concerned you're sort of being played by the white house where they're just using, they're trying to run out the clock here? >> yes, i am a little bit concerned about that, but i'm even more concerned about the white house goading us into making the wrong step, doing something too quickly, doing something just to salve our own consciousness rather than to lay the foundations that are necessary to be successful. i think people want this process to proceed in a way that will be successful. rather than to make a headline, rather than making headway. and i think we're making a lot of headway. >> bob mueller apparently,

according to reports, is hesitant to testify publicly. because he doesn't want to be seen as a partisan player in all of this. however it will look like. what do you make of the request by bob mueller to do this privately? do you think that is, you know, i understand his concern perhaps about his own political standing. is that a concern of yours? >> yes, it is. but look, he's hesitant. and all of us can understand his hesitations. but he has not refused to testify. and if he is going to testify in private, it may be a good thing for us to sit down with him and to lay out the process and what should be done with the information once it's gathered. so i don't know that we have to create a spectacle here. what we have to do is create a record. if we can get the record, get him on record saying what we need, we don't have it, it doesn't need to be public, just

be on record. >> is the -- how much does the 2020 presidential election play into this in your mind? the calendar is the calendar, and i understand you want to sit here and say look, politics doesn't play a role, but the calendar has to matter here, does it not? >> yes, it does. and i will never say that politics don't play a role in this. yes, the politics are there. this is a political process. and i think all of us know that impeachment itself is a political process. and what we've got to do when it comes to politics is get it right. so if we're going to get to that point, let's move to that point with a solid foundation having been laid so that none of us will look back and say i wish i had of and maybe i should have. we're not there yet. let's not rush into this. >> if you thought impeachment was going to harm the democratic

party's chajss of defeating donald trump, would that make you hesitant to open an impeachment inquiry? >> sure it would. i think that what we've got to do is win the election next year. but if we get to the point where we have got a record that shows that this man has done something untoward, he's attempted or even obstructed justice, he has covered up something, he has taken money from some place that he has not been transparent with it, i would be all for it because i really believe that if you got that kind of record, the american people will reward us for being patient, being focused, and staying steady. i think that there's a reward in that as well. >> does tomorrow's all-caucus meeting with house democrats,

how much room do you think you have to sort of keep the impeachment brigade at bay here? is it weeks, is it -- do you feel like you have the rest of the summer, or do you feel like you have until, say, the end of the month? >> well, i have said to some of my friends earlier today that we're out of here next week. let's hold. let's go home for memorial day holidays. let's honor those who have done so much to put this country where it is today. give them their proper respect, talk to our constituents back home next week. and then let's make an assessment when we get back the week after, and maybe it will be time then for us to do something different. but not yet. >> one quick 2020 question. how strong is joe biden in south carolina? >> he's extremely strong in south carolina. the poll that the state

newspaper recently did shows him with a strong lead over everybody, and with 52% of the african-american vote in the state that is going to have a big african-american vote in the primary. so he's in a very strong place today. where he will be tomorrow or the day after, we'll have to see. >> are you comfortable with joe biden if he was the nominee? i know you're not endorsing, if you endorse at all, it won't be close. would you be comfortable with joe biden as the nominee. >> i'm very comfortable with several of the candidates. i just came out of a meeting with mayor pete buttigieg. i can't pronounce the last name. >> i think you did a good job. it says a lot, actually. to me, if people can pronounce his name, they're thinking about supporting him. >> thank you so much. well, i was very comfortable with him. i think he's done a great job. i think kamala harris is doing great. cory booker. i think that sanders is doing a

good job. all the candidates are doing well. but in south carolina, we won't get a chance to vote until the last saturday in february. and i suspect by the time we get to that point, things will be a little different than they are today. >> i think if history is any guide, you are going to be correct about that. congressman jim clyburn, democrat from south carolina, thank you for coming on and sharing your views. >> thank you so much for having me. up ahead, much more on speaker pelosi's impeachment dilemma and reaction to my interview with congressman clyburn. we weighen on what pelosi should do and what she has to do. everyone has an opinion, even mitch mcconnell. >> my impression is the leadership in the house is not so keen on that option. and doesn't think the business of presidential harassment is actually a great way for them to go in to the 2020 election. that's really up to the house. we'll see what happens. so, i started with the stats regarding my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis.

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welcome back. more on tonight's big story, as speaker pelosi battles a growing number of calls to begin an impeachment query against the president. the are many hoping to make mueller's testimony exhibit a. but they're an an impasse over how much of his testimony would be public. the report who is driving the dispute is a source of debate. two people familiar with the matter said the justice department is deferring to mueller who would like any public discussions to be conducted in private, but another person said it's primarily the department and mueller himself resisting a televised hearing. michael steele is a former spokesman for speaker john boehner, and marisa theresa kumar is an msnbc contributor. justin amash is ready for impeachment and nancy pulelosi isn't. does that make some members of

the democratic base nuts? >> absolutely. one of the reasons people came out in droves in the midterm election is they realized there's something not right in this administration. yes, we need points on the board, yes, we want to pass legislation, but there's a sentiment in the american people that our republic is not right. and this idea that you're going to keep kicking down this can down the road because you're trying to figure out if something is happening. this is not a witch hunt. they have over three dozen indictments of individuals when it comes to trump, five people in prison when it comes to trump. let's get to the bottom of it. there's an appetite by the american people, and what they want is the truth. if anything has been the guiding principle, there's the idea there's patriotism in searching for the truth. >> i said this to you a million times, michael, but nancy pelosi and john boehner absolutely could share this moment, where you have they're trying one way. the rank and file wants something else, and eventually,

you're going to have to give the rank and file what they want. >> they're in the instupot, the pressure is on. and whether or not mr. clyburn is correct, he's a good vote counter. >> do you believe it would be a majority saying they don't want it? >> our friend paul kane of "the washington post" tweeted this, the problem isn't so much the majority of the caucus wants to move to impeach mpt now, it's that the vehicleal half of the caucus wants to go to impeachment right now. the young, the up and comers, the people who are more than happy to go on table tv, more than happy to talk to reporters, the folks who are willing to give the leadership the benefit of the doubt are the older, quieter, more establishment members, and those guys aren't the people driving the train in the democratic party right now. >> mitch mcconnell doesn't want this either. >> by the way, i thought mitch's comment, though, showed, alexi, the way he was sort of almost excited that he and pelosi shared this same view. he's afraid of it. >> yeah. >> my guess is he thinks it's

going to screw up budget negotiations. >> yes, i know from speaking with republicans, and we all know, mcconnell is serious about getting the budget deal done with president trump when he knows it's pretty unpredictable. >> my favorite line of the day of mitch mcconnell, he goes i hope the secretary of treasury was representing the white house. because he'll take that deal if he was actually speaking for the president. which of course, nobody knows if he is. >> i think from talks i had, nancy pelosi and mcconnell have been pretty engaged and having fruitful discussions about the budget stuff. maybe he's like, wow, this is a moment where we're all together. that doesn't last long in this washington and trump's america irk but the two interesting things i'll say, i have talked to various aides who have not come out publicly for impeachment who told me nancy pelosi is driving our bus off the road because she doesn't understand the democratic base really wants impeachment, and yes, we have talked about various polls. i saw a poll today from reuters in which impeachment support is

only at 45%, but that's up 5% from mid-april. the more interesting thing is in this poll, over 50% of people say that these congressional investigations into trump are interfering with important government business. and that's something you don't hear leadership talking about. >> here's something i think she's got a problem, i feel like nadler was with her on this. >> and now he's not. >> and i don't think he is now. i want to read this statement. this is after he put out new indictments and he said i said earlier today, the judiciary committee's investigation into obstruction of justice, public corruption, and abuse of power by president trump and his administration will continue. i want to just highlight that first sent sentence. he said the judiciary committee's investigation. you don't have to call it an impeachment investigation. that's what it is. >> exactly right. i think with nadler right now is trying to say, he's hearing from his caucus behind closed doors and saying this is what we need to do. >> that committee wants it.

>> exactly right. >> and i think pus lowey is living in the back. because it offended the center. there is no more center. they will alienate democrats if they don't do it. they will not win republicans if they don't do it. there's no real argument not to do it at this point. >> one of the arguments was, well, you know, this is going to hurt the party. and the candidates. this, when we had three years of benghazi, it hurt hillary clinton. you make this stick. you make sure this basically, that trump is going to constantly have to defend this. that is harder to get at. >> what agenda on capitol hill were the house democrats driving? i say this, when you have one sixth of the power you need to have if you combine all -- >> is it still infrastructure week? >> it's always infrastructure week. >> we could use infrastructure week. >> my daughter said it's always chevy truck month and always infrastructure week. >> i'm glad you brought that up. how many times since democrats took back the house have we heard members say we can walk and chew gum at the same time? start walking and chewing gum at

the same time. >> that's not fair. they have actually passed legislation. they passed hrc, the equality act. >> it's how they have done it, maria. they have done it almost like they're just trying to do the press releases. they haven't gone out there and said agenda time, you know what i mean, here's how we're fixing health care. >> actually, they did. >> i think -- >> part of it, trump steps on everything. >> she has definitely created her own boxing ring, basically saying this is how we're going to talk about the green new deal, the way we're talking about it is the jobs of the future, about infrastructure. >> tell us about justin amash. >> the distinguished gentleman is a committed libertarian, an ideologue. he's been a principled pain in the back side for republican leadership for as long as he's been in the house of representatives. it's an important moment in the sense that the speaker has always said it had to be bipartisan to proceed to impeachment. she's never really defined what

bipartisan is. there's a long tradition of malcontent members who sort of lend their party identification to these efforts and it becomes quote/unquote bipartisan. >> we have got jeff flake when he was in the house, actually in that role for long time. so he does provide a minuscule measure of cover, but some measure of cover. >> there's also some chatter about a libertarian presidential bid by mr. amash. look, this is in some ways a very odd brand with him, and this is something because again, he is a strict constitutionalist in his mind, and this, i think that's how he was viewing the mueller report. >> he would have something to run on. we don't have enough people running for president, so please, join the race. >> the challenge in doing that is basically the same howard schultz narrative. who would he be siphoning from? >> no, i think he siphoned from the right. any serious -- >> exclusively. >> any serious libertarian effort, wouldn't you say?

>> particularly when perhaps unkind to left leaning libertarians, with marijuana less on the liberal stage. >> all that matters is one state. if he just draws 5% of michigan. >> i think the democratic calculation is if you basically just have two parties, then either they stay home or vote because they want to save the republic for the democrats. >> if they don't do impeachment, maria, because this was an argument we were having earlier. if they don't have impeachment, will democrats be less enthused about voting in 2020? >> the challenges they have been able to pass legislation, but no one knows about it because it's crowded out with trump. and if they don't do impeachment, a lot of democrats are going to say, what is the difference between the two parties? what was the point? because they came out because we had the largest civil rights marches the day after inauguration saying what is this man up to? this is not who we are. this is not -- and if you do that, all of a sudden it snuffs it out. >> you think they'll be excited no matter what. >> sort of.

i also think the pro-impeachment democrats are the band and nancy pelosi is kevin bacon in the end of "animal house." >> for what it's worth, it was going to be in first read, and it's too old of a reference. too old of a reference. that was for you, alexi. that's right. >> now i can read it and understand. >> stick around. this day and age, i don't think you can recommend watching animal house. >> up ahead, sending out a message about women's rights, abortion rights. supporters hold rallies, but can democrats breach the divide in their issue in their own party? do they even have to anymore? reo developed it. wherever you go. (vo) align naturally helps to soothe your occasional digestive upsets 24/7 with a unique strain of bacteria you can't get anywhere else. (woman) you could say align puts the "pro" in probiotic. so where you go, the pro goes. (vo) go with align. the pros in digestive health.

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in the middle of this debate because these guys think they're going to take women's health care backward, and are we going to let them? we are not. >> welcome back. as senator and 2020 hopeful amy klobuchar put it, we're right in the middle of debate over abortion, 36 years after roe v. wade and less than a week -- 46 years, and less than a week after state legislators in mississippi and alabama passed bills that would ban it. even as 2020 democrats are united in their support for abortion rights, you do have a few outliers. louisiana's democratic governor john bell edwards says he'll support a heartbeat bill if lawmakers in his state pass it. with me, stephanie schriock. she's one of the leaders of the larger democratic party. stephanie, good to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> let me be blunt about this.

can the democratic party at this point considering what's at stake on the issue of roe, it can still be comfortable using resources to help pro life democrats? where are you on this? >> i think it's really hard. and the good news, frankly, is that the vast majority, and i don't mean like 70% of the democratic candidates, i'm talking 98% of the democratic candidates are pro choice. so this doesn't come up all that often. >> and louisiana has been an outlier for years. >> correct, i was just going to say. >> you never supported mary landrieu. >> we did the first one, but did not. so that's exactly right. when we just proudly endorsed emily's list just proudly endorsed marie newman over congressman, democratic congressman dan lipinski because he's an anti-choice democratic incumbent in lil lil. and folks are like, how many are there? it's dan lipinski. >> is it worth the fight inside

the party to defend dan lipinski or not? >> the party has to make the decision, but the good news is we're winning. democrats are winning on the issue of supporting roe and insuring there's access to safe abortions in this country. i always say this, we're with the majority. 7 out of 10 americans believe that roe v. wade should stand, that women should have choices to access safe abortion. 7 out of 10. this isn't even a close deal. and so we are in the right place. we're on the right issue here, and we just have to stay focused on this. for women and the families and men who love them. >> if you look at the sort of the last 20 years, the right side of the abortion debate, the pro life side of the abortion debate has been very aggressive in trying to pass laws to support their side of the issue. the pro choice side almost sometimes runs away from codifying laws in states and instead plays defense. it's always defense.

it does seem as if some, you have some of the presidential candidates saying why don't you codify roe, and you have seen a couple states. is the strategy changing? do you think you have to change your strategy and be more on offense on these laws? >> i think that's exactly what's going on. and we have been around, i hate to say for longer than i sometimes want to say. >> i think i said 36 years for roe out of hope. unfortunately, it's longer. >> that's the way it is, but i was thinking about the campaigns of the 1990s, where we would talk about the issue of access to abortion, but nobody ever legislated on it all that much. every once in a while, it would pop up, but it was to mobilize the base, and the republicans would do this. the truth is what has happened is that the republican party since the '90s have continued to move further and further right on this issue. and their founding core value of the party now is to ban abortion

period. >> probably the number one organizing principle. >> but it's beyond organizing. they're going to do it. this is what they want. what we just saw in alabama, and you hear some republicans kind of trying to step away from that because it was so extreme. no, no, no. what they just did is accidentally let the curtain move open so the rest of america can see exactly what the core of the republican party wants to do, which is completely ban abortion. which is not where the american people are. >> where democrats get tripped up is they basically get caught up on the late term issue. as some have outlined, but it does seem to me that the right is unabashed. they sort of plow right through it. should democrats push hard and say look, if you think this is an issue that belongs between a woman and her doctor, then it doesn't matter how you personally feel. it's an issue between a woman and her doctor in week 1 or week 32 of the pregnancy? >> well, we really believe that

roe is in place, it takes you to 24, and the lies that have been going on about later apportions, particularly perpetrated by the president of the united states, has really just been outrageous because when we're talking about those abortions in the later part of pregnancy, first off, you're talking about less than 2%. you're talking about a situation that something went very wrong, and if anybody should be making those decisions, it is the family and the doctor because you're usually dealing with a serious health care decision. but the republicans may want to talk about that, but the truth is what they want is exactly what they just did in alabama. they want it all gone, and what that would do to women in this country, i mean, it would throw us back decades, and what we forget here is, like, lives are in jeopardy. women will lose their lives if this is the direction we go. >> walk me through what is it that you can be for restriction wise and still get emily's list

support. >> for us, at emily's list, as you know, we only support pro choice democratic candidates. >> what is that definition, 24 weeks, roe? >> it's roe and support of access to abortion. and so this isn't -- we don't have a long list of things. we want our women to stand up and fight for protections of women to get access to safe abortions. and the truth is, for the democrats, because we have more and more women's voices within the party, much because of the three and a half decades of emily's list, those women have been doing just that and women across this country are better for it. >> let me ask you about the plethora of candidates that emily's list has supported in the past that are running for president. what do you plan on doing? are you definitely going to endorse or wait to see, you have kamala harris, kirsten gillibrand, amy klobuchar, elizabeth warren. i didn't bring up tulsi gabbard

who is someone you have supported before. my point is, do you celebrate the fact that you have five or do you think, you know, emily's list support always picks somebody in a senate race, even if there are two good people. are you virtually going to pick someone? >> this is such an interesting internal debate. the truth is we have only ever endorsed one woman for president in the history of emily's list. >> it would be weird if you didn't do it. >> we endorsed her twice. here, we go what do we do. the truth is what we're doing right now because this is the first time this has ever happened, we're celebrating this moment that the work we have been doing for nearly 35 years is to insure there is a pool of women ready to run for president, and here it is. and guess what, there's another pool right behind them, and another one, and so we have built this, you know, we have built the pipeline for these great women. so we're going to monitor the situation. we're here -- >> you haven't ruled out endorsing. >> we have not ruled it out. but you will not see it any time soon. the one thing we really, really

want to make sure, though, because this is going to be a major process, and here's the one thing we know. we have to defeat donald trump. we believe that strongly. what we want -- >> is that the first line in your plank? it sounds like joe biden. the first line in his climate change plank is beat trump. >> we believe that many of these women can do it, just as there are many men. we should let them make their cases. the one thing we're very concerned about at emily's list is how the women are getting covered, particularly in the press. and just monitoring that situation. we have watched it all through the hillary clinton presidential twice over, and just sort of saying hey, wait a second. first, electability. let's talk about that. that's a good one. >> i is to go, but here's what you can encourage them to do. all you have to do is say yes to invitations to meet the press on sunday. that's all they have to do, all of them. i'll leave it there. thank you very much. coming up, the president sharpens his attacks on biden

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welcome back. time for "the lid." all right. we've got the q poll out today and it looks like every other poll we've seen in the last ten days. biden up double digits over sanders. what's interesting, warren in double digits for the first time since she got in. she's creeped back up. it is a remind per slow and

steady is not a bad place to be. and she's crampinking it out. >> that shows her coming into this third place position. she came out with this four part reproductive rights plan. i think that's what's resonating with people. people now wearing a t-shirt saying i have a plan for that. the other thing about that poll, wow, beto and mayor pete are going tumbling down a little bit. >> beto really tumbles. >> no. and your colleague tweeted something from that poll. 11% of voters haven't heard enough about joe biden to make an informed decision about him. >> it's interesting. i apologize to the person who made it to me. they said, here's the one piece of good news if you're a democrat not named biden. that biden's strength means

something. >> i think that when he announced there was a lot of folks within our groups saying that would be the highest, everything is coming out. and it speaks volumes to the people that she's creating and increasing interest in. what i mean by that, alexandria ocasio came out with warren. she's tapping into her in a way that nobody else has been able to. hey. look at this. she's talking about the policies. >> this is a big problem for bernie. >> absolutely. >> she is supposed to be his person. >> and bernie, we were talking about this. >> he was just angry and feisty had another candidate pacted way, it would have been a bigger story. >> there's more than one ticket

for a new england candidate coming out of new hampshire. either warren or bernie is coming out of south carolina. >> and warren is beating bernie in that powe among folks who identify as very liberal. >> and she's peppy. she has a plan that isn't grumpy. she actually inspires. >> it is more than bernie saying, i'm talking about these things because i was talking about it four years ago. >> referring to 2016 over and over again and she's talking about the future. >> meanwhile, i would love to play poke we are trump. he's not hiding who he fears. he fears joe biden. and i think every day he helps joe biden solidify his place as front-runner. >> and he cuts off the candidates who are less well known when they need it the most. >> ask marco rubio. our argument in 2015 working for governor bush's campaign, trump was good for us because ruby

needed name attention. >> do you know what's interesting, i've been talking about the voters and don't sxors the donors say biden is a safe bet. behind closed doors, they say, but i really like elizabeth. and that is the most fascinating. >> people will say randomly, i love mayor pete. why are you still -- >> it's confession. saying i really like pete. >> i saw you, oh, beating biden would mean something. biden to me looks like hal in 2007. not a bad place. hillary in 2007 was still going to win.

it took a specific set of circumstances for hillary to be beaten in 2007. >> that's all we have for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more "meet the press daily." >> hillary '07. her majesty's secret service. >> this time it's -- never mind. >> you know, we can work this out. we have time until the election. >> we do. >> especially the summer months of late today, brand new subpoenas for two trump aides at the center of so much alleged misconduct. also, hundreds of rallies outpouring across america. there is a wave of emotion and activism regarding the new state abortion