last time we saw that was in 2011. however before you get caught up in that statistic. let's go back to the other one. in 2011, the five-week losing streak cost 5.1%. this time it's 3.6%. for the year all three markets are in positive territory not by a lot. that wraps it up for me. "deadline: white house" with nicole wallace and her guest, 2020 presidential candidate beto o'rourke. starts now. it's 4:00 in new york. the country's attorney general has been given the power to declassify intelligence as part of the president's campaign to investigate his perceived enemies. william barr who has staked out ground as the president's ideological twin on the accusation that donald trump's

campaign was spied on has been granted the authority by the president to investigate the investigation into trump's campaign and its ties to russia. the directive has unleashed a fire storm of criticism including from senator mark warner. warner saying in a statement this afternoon, quote, people risk their lives to gather the intelligence material that president trump and attorney general barr are so eager to politicize. select i'vely declassifying sources and meths in order to serve a political agenda will make it harder for the intelligence community to do their jobs protecting this country from those who wish to do us harm. the "new york times" reports this about the impact on the intelligence community, quote, the cia considers confidential sources its most highly classified and most protected assets. and any investigation that could possibly force it to reveal those identities is likely to create a standoff. donald trump's war against the

intelligence and law enforcement community has been underway since shortly after election day and escalated yesterday with the president accusing former officials of treason. >> the constitution says treason is punishable by death. you accused your adversaries of treason, who specifically are you accusing of treason? >> i think a number of people. you look, they have unsuccessfully tried to take down the wrong person. if you look at comey, mccabe, people higher than that, if you look at strozk, they wanted an insurance policy so if she should lose. remember 100 million to 1, maybe 100 million to nothing, but should she lose we'll have an insurance policy and get this guy out of office. that's what they said, that's what they meant. that's treason. >> more questions than answers

today about how this will impact the intelligence community with one former official telling me resignations are possible with an investigation without a predicate that laws have been broken are possibly. and that is where we start today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. mike schmidt, washington correspondent for the "new york times." jeremy bash former chief of staff at the cia. joyce vance, former u.s. attorney. and former chief of staff to al gore, ron klain is here. >> i saw you on "the 11th hour" last night, now i wonder after a few hours have passed and the fact that not a single intelligence or national security official has come out and said this is a good thing for the intelligence community

makes this a more ominous development than last night when the story broke? >> it's serious, nicole. i've been talking all day to national security professionals. here's what i think went on, normally if there's a doj investigation and they wanted to potentially declassify or release intelligence information, they'd work it out with the heads of the cia, nsa, and the director of national intelligence. clearly there was a disagreement. clearly there was a fight. clearly the heads of the intelligence organizations said we're not going to give you the authority to release information about our human sources who risked their lives and our clandestine collection mechanisms because if we do that for a purely political effort no one is going to talk to america. no one is going to give us their information that's going to endanger national security. i think william barr said i need that authority and i'm going to the president. and the president issued basically a new executive order,

overturning an executive order that's been in place since president reagan that said these intelligence leaders and only these leaders have the authority to declassify information. >> so much to unpack there. let me follow-up with you on two points. one, two former intelligence officials likened this move to the one that put secretary mattis over the edge. ultimately a lot of officials believed secretary mattis finally resigned not because he disagreed with the president's syria policy but he feared people's lives were at risk. they said that there might be a parallel concern in the intelligence community, that allies, informants, intelligence sharing agreements could be at risk if the attorney general, who has staked out ground for himself as an ally of the fringeiest kind of beliefs that the president and his allies and conservative media voice about the intelligence community. do you share that concern? >> i do. it's a bad thing, but it's one

thing to politicize intelligence analysis to say the analysis of what happened with regard to the iraq war should lead to this policy outcome, war or peace or what have you. it's a completely different thing to politicize the use of intelligence sources, human sources, assets, confidential sources of the united states that operate in very dangerous situations over seas risking their lives and the lives of their families to give us information and their information and identity could be revealed for a political effort by bill barr to amplify donald trump's theories. i don't think intelligence professionals are going to stand for it. >> you thought that maybe attorney general barr was getting resistance in his efforts to get his hands on his intel. i picked up today that wasn't just the intelligence community but also perhaps at the fbi. there's a gap that's opened up

between fbi director chris wray who testified he did not believe the russia investigation was a witch hunt. you had the current attorney general saying that spying occurred, the president's position. are you picking up a widening gap between the fbi director and the attorney general? >> barr is investigating the cia, nsa and the fbi. he's investigating his own career law enforcement professionals. that is point one. that is one of the sources of the split. but second is, as i noted, nicole, this happens sometimes and they work it out. they have a meeting where they have a process to figure out how to reveal or declassify information sometimes to include it in a report or sometimes potentially to use it in court against criminal defendants. there's no reason to get a presidential executive order unless there was a massive knockdown, drag-out fight. and that's what i suspect happen. mike schmidt, jim comey

weighed in on this development tweeting this. investigate whatever you wish about 2016 but don't forget the people of the fbi but investigate and stop russian efforts in the to 20 election. what impact will loose talk about spying and disgraceful talk about treason on fbi analysts and agents -- any sense this has landed inside the fbi? >> no sense about what the current thinking inside the fbi is. but sort of a larger question about what is barr actually doing here? what kind of investigation is this? the justice department does criminal investigations. its inspector general looks at how decisions are made and whether they should be improved, sort of in the noncriminal area of how it functions. so what's going on here if there's not enough to do a criminal investigation. why has it not reached that level but they're still continuing to look at it?

it's just sort of this larger thing that hangs over this. there's an inspecter general for the intelligence community that has the authority over all the departments and agencies to do this, it doesn't look like that person has been tasked but barr has taken this on himself. it's just sort of unusual and different and we're still trying to figure it out and sort of understand what's behind it. is it to keep trump at bay or does barr really think there's a there there. >> what there there would be there that wouldn't be uncovered by the multiple other investigations. the president's closest ally in congress ran the house intel committee and pulled out documents for two years, there's an ig report that you just referenced, another gentlemen investigating this. what were the deficiencies in the investigation that barr identified? ?

>> our guess is it's in the cia and intelligence community and the inspector general for the justice department can't get into that stuff and huber may not be able to get into it and the only person to unlock that would be someone with declassify authority over it, and that's barr. so there were things outside the justice department that barr wanted to see or have access to that he may have been impeded. and that is why he has these new authorities. that sort of is our best guess at this point, because there's no other you know, explanation, i guess. >> there is no other explanation, joyce vance. there is no other explanation than what has been articulated in the last ten minutes. this is a political power grab, norms of law enforcement and intelligence. and i think one of the most alarming things the only people jumping up and down in opposition are peoct office. what strikes you, joyce, about

this moment and this development? >> you know, i do think that this is shocking. and the problem is that this whole administration is so sh k shocking sometimes the outrage meter it's hard for the public to read where we are. but i think we're off the scale today. i sat on the doj side of the table a time or two when i wanted to use evidence in a criminal prosecution. there we're talking about a case that everyone was certain there was a criminal violation we wanted to talk to, aside from this, that you pointed out was a scavenger hunt, to see if they request find cases. but in those cases prosecutors were respectful of the intelligence community's equities because we understood real people's lives were at

stake. this country's future to gather intelligence in the future was at stake so we'd work that out. there's no other conclusion that the attorney general felt like he couldn't take public that he could see given his level of security clearance. he wants to take it public and he and the president are willing to trash the process to do that. >> ron klain we shouldn't let it escape attention that the president invoked the word treason to describe former fbi director jim comey, former acting fbi director andrew mccabe and pete strzok. what's that tell you? >> this week is the anniversary of our framer's gathering to write the constitution. and donald trump decided to crumble up another page of it and throw it away. saying jim comey and other law

enforcement officials had committed the capital offense punishable by death of treason is unwarranted. what's going on isn't an investigation. i worked for the justice department, the attorney general. what bill barr is doing isn't an investigation. he's trying to stir up material for "fox & friends" and rush limbaugh and for alex jones. it's feeding the president's conspiracy thing. what you see here is with michael cohen behind bars, bill barr has become donald trump's fixer. he's trying to fix the game for trump and he's willing to throw our intelligence community under the bus to do that and that's a horrible outrage. >> jeremy bash let me get your thoughts on invoking the crime of treason to describe former fbi director jim comey, former acting fbi director andrew mccabe and agent pete strzok. >> it's ridiculous. it needs to be repudiated by all

people who are -- want to participate in our democratic process, including democrats, republicans, independence, our law enforcement, intelligence and military communities. nicole, let's make clear what's happening here, the president is willing to risk the lives of the people who are defending our country so he can spin a political yarn to feed, as ron noted, political conspiracy theories. because i guess he thinks it helps him politically. that is a dereliction of duty, that is an abuse of office. i think the congressional intelligence and judiciary committees have to be all over this one. they have to call to the hill the leaders of the intelligence community and the justice department and ask them exactly what motivated this unprecedented power grab. >> the dni, dan coates weighed in with a statement this afternoon, i'm confident the attorney general will work with the intelligence community in

accordance with the long established standards to protect highly sensitive classified information that, if publicly released would put our national security at risk. in your line is what barr is seeking about information on what foreign assets the cia had in russia in 2016 and what those informants were telling the agency about how president vladimir putin of russia sought to meddle in the 2016 election. what does barr need more access to information about what foreign assets the cia had in russia in 2016 than what is available through the interagency process? what is he not able to get his hands on that is part of that sort of sweep of intel? >> well, we think that what he may want to sort of get is sort of an understanding of how the intelligence community's assessment went from russia's meddling in the election to a

counterintelligence investigation on the president. look, there are some very legitimate issues here that the inspector general is looking at. this was a very unusual situation that the fbi confronted. they were investigating a campaign, it was very delicate. there was a dossier of information that they had from one of their sources that had been paid for by the opponent of trump. and those are thorny issues that deserve a full look at by the inspector general. so the question here is would barr's efforts like sort of overshadow that or undermine that or take away from that where there probably are some really important lessons to be learned about how investigations of this nature, big counterintelligence investigations, essentially counterintelligence sort of attack on the united states involving a campaign. >> i'm sorry, nicole -- >> go ahead. >> actually, i disagree a little bit. there's no reason for the attorney general to have human

sources in russia. i can't think of a single one. the only one i can think of is he wants to somehow trot them out publicly, malign them and under mine and then say the basis for the investigation was flawed. that's the only reason he would do it. to do what michael said, review whether the fbi had predicate to look at a campaign, he doesn't need russian human sources. absolutely not. there's no need for that. >> joyce, is some of this the remaini remaini remaining to remaining to be sxicity to the dossier and it's floating around and that's the president's conspiracy theories about which mike was describing, about the investigation, which was kept secret unlike the hillary clinton investigation. >> you're right. the dossier which continues to

trigger the president sheds light on his inability to understand this process. anyone who looked at this with any clarity understands dossier is raw information, it's the kind of information the fbi and intelligence community collect from their sources. they don't take it at face value. they do vet it. we know the dossier did not form the basis for fisa or anything else the bureau did. in fact, they would have had to go to a federal judge on the fisa who made certain they had probable cause to authorize before moving forward. it's the president's focus on the dossier as part of the litany of wrongs that have been done to him that keeps it in his focus. >> keeps it in his obsession. we know how he is when he's obsessed. thank you for starting us off. after the break, i know a thing or two about traveling the

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and so nonviolently, peacefully, while the eyes of this country are watching these games, they take a knee to bring our attention and focus on this problem to ensure that we fix it. that is why we are doing it and i can think of nothing more

american than to peacefully stand up or take a knee for your rights any time, anywhere, any place. >> an eloquent answer to a tough question. that's when most of us in the national media heard of beto o'rourke and covered his candidacy, it was august of last year, only nine months ago. in the months to follow he went from a curiosity to a national sensation. an upstart democrat pushing against a republican senator to the brink in texas. he ultimately lost by a narrow margin but the support he gathered was evident on election day. >> what will it feel like if you see him win this race tonight? >> everything. just everything. we want him to win. and we'll be watching the tv tonight with him. he'll be someplace in the city.

but it'll be just so much. it'll mean that by gosh, we all still have a chance to have a decent country with decent values, with decent relationships with other people. >> joining me now beto o'rourke, the former congressman from texas now running for president of the united states. thanks for joinings us. how is it going, are you moving people like you moved pamela? >> people are moving me right now. we're showing up in the communities and having the most honest raw conversations about what's going on in the country right now and how we're going to come together to make sure the country fulfills its potential and promise. it's never been more challenging given the president we have in office. this democracy was already badly damaged. it wasn't representing everyone. not everyone counted. our state, texas, ranked 50th in

the country in voter turnout not by accident but by design. now you have somebody in the white house on who seeks to undermine it at each and every turn. a country already polarized. a president who wants to divide it further. the answer to this cannot be more division, polarization, under mining our democracy, it has to be bringing everyone together and make sure everyone can stand and be counted. that's what i'm seeing. i'm excited about what we're doing and the way we're doing it. >> you talked about people moving you. what are the stories moving you the most because i don't think that breaks through in the national conversation. the national conversation frankly is who's punching donald trump the hardest and there seems to be some hunger for that in the democratic base but if it's something different, what are you hearing the most on the trail? >> just getting to meet people where they are. we were in pacific junction up along the missouri river in the

southwestern part of iowa with two brothers, both farmers, whose fields are now lakes. the stored soybeans that couldn't get to market during the trade war and because of the tariffs exploded out of the storage bins in which they were held. they're at the confluence not just of this disastrous presidency and administration but climate change that produced the worst flooding in the history of their community. and they're not looking for a democratic or republican or an independent response to this. they just want this country to work and ensure they can continue to grow the food upon which we depend and do so at a profit that we invest in the infrastructure to protect their communities going forward and then meet this monumental challenge of climate change. not one person, not one party but all of us coming together. going to lordstown, ohio and seeing the aftermath of gm's

pull out after the state invested $82 million into the plant to make gm a success, meeting with the president of uaw who is fighting for not just the members but everyone who lives in lordstown, the barbershop, diner. everyone part of an economy who was built up in that factory and way of life. he wants this country to come together and be there for those who helped produce its success in the past. folks understand that everything is on the line and more than just voting or registering or tweeting or commenting on facebook, they've got to come out and come together. and so, in these town halls and house parties and visits we're holding across the country, i'm seeing that energy right now, it's made me more optimistic about the future of this country than i have ever been. if i can help to bring people together in service to

confronting these historic challenges, then i will have served my purpose. that's what this campaign is all about. >> listening to you it's clear that you have that thing that not all politicians have, you remember people's names where you were when you met them, and you remember their stories. you get snarky national media coverage. where's the disconnect? >> i don't know. i tell you what, i spend very little time on twitter right now because when i'm meeting people and you're eyeball to eyeball and connecting in the most raw, honest, authentic way, there's something powerful and magical about that. it's how you bring people together. if this country has never been more divided, never more consumed by the digital devices we hold in front of our face, it can be absolutely powerful to be together and to connect. to meet a 14-year-old middle school student in newton, iowa

who says i'm sick of going into school wondering if i'm going to come out again because she understands we have an epidemic of gun violence in the country. i met a 12-year-old girl in las vegas, new mexico who is moving to mexico because both of her parents, long-time u.s. residents are being deported, she's a u.s. citizen. she's not old enough to vote, she's like i don't want to hear excuses, platitudes, i want you to tell me how my family can be together again, how we make the country work again. i don't find that stuff on twitter. i don't see that in the talking heads, but that urgency and the demand we meet this moment with everything we've got and every single one of us. that's what i'm finding inning in real day-to-day life across this country. that's where i spend my time, find my inspiration and what literally drives this campaign. >> let me do a lightning round with you. i want to get you on the news of

the day. donald trump given his attorney general the authority to declassify intel, good idea? if bad idea? >> really bad idea. a long line of attacks on the most fundamental institutions that have made this country the greatest on the face of the planet. we had a preview of this in 2017 when he stood on the stage in helsinki and defended vladimir putin instead of this country and our intelligence community. when he accused the fbi of being a campaign arm of the democratic party. how does that feel for those members of federal law enforcement and the intelligence community who are consistently day in, day out, putting their lives on the line for this country to keep us safe and pursue accountability, the necessary investigations and the justice that guarantees that no man, no matter what position he holds is above the law in this

country. so his invitation of a foreign power to infiltrate our democracy, his attorney general refusing to testify about it, and calling it spying, this is dangerous stuff for the greatest democracy the world has ever known. if we fail to confront this in a meaningful, powerful way to ensure the justice necessary we will have set a precedent that will ruin this democracy for the generations that follow us. this is a moment that counts for more than any i can imagine. i want all of us, republican, democrat, independent alike to be up to the challenge. >> i want to give you a chance to respond about criticisms about you. but i want one more answer, with all that said is nancy pelosi moving too slowly toward impeachment? >> i just read about a case of contempt brought against eric holder during the obama administration. it took eight or nine years to

wind its way through the courts. the only way to get answers now is move forward on impeachment. it's the only way to compel documentation, testimony, the truth and facts and follow them as far as they go, as high up as they lead. you only get justice and prevent future attacks on the democracy if you take that last important option. i think it's time for us to do that. >> how do you push back against this notion that there's only room for either you or mayor pete buttigieg in this race? it would seem that the democratic party is hungry enough for a win in 2020 for there to be room for both of you, but nonetheless that is one of the media constructs around your candidacy, what's your push back? >> my push back is the people coming out to our town halls and visits across the country, i'm sure they're doing it with mayor pete as well. you would think with 24 candidates in the nomination process people would be tired of

this. instead you're seeing record turnout. folks are curious, want to hold us accountable and ensure we have the best nominee to defeat donald trump in 2020 and bring this country together again in 2021. i think the number of candidates and the quality of candidates you're seeing right now is a very good problem for the democratic party and our democracy to have. we have a lot of time before the first caucuses and first primaries. let's go out and meet those voters and allow them to make an informed decision going forward. i think we're in a good place right now, look forward to continuing to campaign in this way. >> i straddled both sides of the campaign and now covering campaigns. play media critic. what can we do better for those of us covering your candidacies far away from where the first votes will be cast?

don't hold back. >> this is a good question. it is what it is. >> it doesn't have to be. >> we'll have incredibly powerful town hall meeting, 10 or 12 amazing questions, people sharing their own stories, testimonials that help us to understand some of the challenges we face on affordable of prescription medication or this crisis in opioid overdose and abuse and death. and then, afterwards, there will be members of the media there, who will ask me a horse race question or some kind of sensational dynamic going on that does not connect to the lives of the people that we all just had a chance to listen to and to meet. so this is kind of like the question you asked about the disconnect between twitter and what we see in these town halls. i think more engagement on those fundamental issues. how do i afford to ensure that i can take care of myself and fill this prescription. how do i guarantee pie child my

going to a world class public school by paying teachers a living wage? how do we deal with climate change and help americans understand the devastation the damage we're seeing in california, texas, along the missouri and mississippi in iowa. these are the issues on people's minds right now. it's infrequent i'm asked about one of those issues, present company excluded, by members of the media, especially on the ground and on the trail. i understand how captivating the horse race part of this can be, but i feel that disconnect between what is reported and what is often said in these town hall meetings. hopefully the campaign can be the bridge for that, because we live stream this stuff so anyone can tune in. >> i'll leave you with free advice. i used to spend a lot of time on campaign. grab garrett from msnbc and tell

him what's on your mind. if you don't like what's covered, you can change that. glad to have you. hope you come back. >> appreciate it. after the break, anatomy of a trump tactic. we'll go inside the video operation designed to smear the president's most able political adversary, that's next. st able adversary, that's next ...when a plan stops being a plan and gets set into motion. today's merrill can help you get there with the people, tools, and personalized advice to help turn your ambitions into action. what would you like the power to do?

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the political war of words president president trump and speaker pelosi has deter rated to a level beneath words. that's why we're going to do something different here to make sure you understand just how low the president has stooped in his efforts to smear the speaker of the house. we believe that transparency is the best disinfectant for dirty politics so we're going to break down what the president of the united states did to the speaker of the house when he shared a doctored video of her with his millions of twitter followers, a

slowed down video like the one he tweeted of nancy pelosi has the effect of making anyone look like they're having a tough time speaking. we decided not to air the nancy pelosi video. so we're going to show you what i look like slowed down. >> hi, everyone, it's 4:00 in new york. are democrats closing in on donald trump's red line. >> some would argue i sound like that anyway. a 3 second google search i found a video of the president showed down as well. i'll show you the actual video of what he said at a campaign rally in 2016 first. >> 19 trillion going to -- trillion, not billion. we have trillions nobody knows what a trillion is. 19 trillion going to 21 -- trillion. not billion. trillion. we have trillions. >> today's lesson on doctored video.

joining me for this conversation, jason johnson, and jen palmeri, and my friday date, the rev al sharpton, host of politics nation here on nbc and president of the national action network. ron klain is still with us in washington. jen, i wanted to cover this story of what donald trump did, he sent out a doctored video of nancy pelosi, but i wanted to cover it without furthering his smear of nancy pelosi which had the intent of doing exactly what he did to hillary clinton who fell ill at an event on 9/11, i think, in new york. this is part of the sexism of donald trump where he makes a woman look feeble and part of the debasement of our politics where we tweets someone in a doctored video. >> you have enough of a campaign person in this, to not use the video and use another means to show what he's doing.

which i appreciate. this is what he does to strong women. they started going after hillary for being weak and sick, which i thought was die boll tick, but smart because she was so strong and that was a strength of hers. now he's doing it to pelosi. there's a lot of projection, right. he's an older guy. he's not the most -- you know, he doesn't take great care of himself, he's not in the best shape. this is what he tries to do to women in particular to make them actually it's sexist. he does not do it to men. he's intimidated by smart women. nancy pelosi is smarter than donald trump. he's intimidated by that. if you notice, every time there's a meeting with them, he completely falls apart. he went berserk the other day, there's no other way to describe it. i think that he -- his misogyny and his being unravelled by a

smart woman, he just can't help it. the danger of it, though, and i agree with her that thank god you didn't run the pelosi tape, but we're talking about fine, in politics doing unprecedented things. but this is the president of the united states doing it at a presidential level. >> right. >> this is what's alarming to me. we're not talking bipartisan politics. this is a president sending this out on twitter. >> the point of a doctored video. we spent a lot of time trying to do this segment responsibly, i showed myself to make the point we're not trying to insult anybody. but to show how easily you can alter someone by changing the speed, the president didn't put that notification, altered video on the smear against pelosi up. we did. he's not interested in a fair fight, because he can't win a fair fight. >> it's important we have these conversations about how this

isn't normal. we got upset when dig cheney eight years ago used profanity in congress. we now have a president of the united states who tries to personally debase his political opponents who he supposedly is working with. i agree with everyone else, thank you for not giving him the attention that he wanted to get. but i also think it's the idea that he can't give a policy response so he's acting like a 7-year-old saying you're a dumdum head. that's what he does now. he attacks people because he has no policy response and that's the dangerous precedence we're seeing here. >> it suggests in politics when you got nothing left you go this low, and obviously michelle obama's you go low, we go high, you have to engage donald trump where he is. i admire nancy pelosi for taking him on, for questioning his manhood, for questioning his mental acuity this week as she's

done. but when the fight got too hot, donald trump doctored a video: we have to remember while you've handled this issue responsibly on your show, right now as we're talking at this moment, thousands of people are seeing this video on facebook, on twitter, on social media platforms without the context, without the explanation, and that's what donald trump is about. he has -- he did this in 2016 to hillary clinton, he's doing it now. he is putting this material out into the political bloodstream by using new technology, social media platforms and millions and millions of people are seeing it and that's corrupting our politics. >> you're one of the best operatives in the business. what do you do? you're right, people that got this video via tweet from the president's video feed, they didn't get that disclosure, they may not know it's doctored, it certainly doesn't say it's

doctored. it's been my theory for a long time, that 16 republicans lost, hillary clinton lost electorally, because of the asymmetry, president trump has the audacity to lie, the enthusiasm to tweet out a video like he did about nancy pelosi. how do you counter that? >> the social media platforms have to do a better job policing this. it's definitely trump's debasement and depravity, but it's technologically facilita facilitated. we can't forget that. people are delivering this to one another on these platforms. i think facebook and twitter have to do a better job policing that. but campaigns, democrats running against him have to come up with better answers than we had for the clinton campaign in 2016 to check this. >> i think he's right on both counts but i also think there's another cynical part of this we shouldn't miss. he's also distracting us from

the fact that he did throw a temper tantrum. >> of course he did. >> when he was supposed to be discussing infrastructure. i travel a lot, the bridges, tunnels, highways, streets are crumbling. he threw what my mother would call a hissy fit in three minutes and walked out of a meeting that his own supporters need to see the infrastructure dealt with. >> that's right. >> and could provide jobs to them. and he walks out because someone dared say he ought to be investigated. somebody dared say he's not above the law. and he threw infrastructure, bridges, tunnels, highways and jobs to the side because you questioned me. and he covers it with this perverted tape on nancy pelosi for saying that he did exactly what he did through a temper tantrum rather than deal with infrastructure, which he promised his supporters he was going to deal with. let's not miss that. >> i think people cover the dynamic as she's the perfect

foil for him. i think it's the opposite. he's the perfect foil for her. she has challenges keeping her caucus together on impeachment, i think he's such a unifying foil for her, for her to get the best of them. it's friday, she won monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday. you're right. he lined up his staffers and made them testify like lauj hostages in a video he was calm. >> they weren't in the room. they were in the hallway, yes, sir you were calm. you were calm. they weren't there. again, i think she's smarter than them. it reminds me when ali fought forman. he let him punch himself out, and that's what's happening with trump. he's doing the work for her, but the american people need to understand it's at our expense,

what about infrastructure? >> here's his effort to spin this. >> did you hear what she said about me? she made horrible statements. she knows they're not true. she said terrible things. so i just responded in kind. look, you think nancy is the same as she was, she's not. maybe we can all say that. >> it's like yelp, i read my reviews, they used to be good, now they're bad, i'm sad. >> i don't know that there's a better way for the democratic candidates to handle this because he is a child, it is about projection. i think what you see happening now is checks and balances, that's how they were imagined in the constitution happening in a dramatic fashion, not in the way perhaps we would have expected to see a president behave but the speaker of the house holding him accountable. there's millions of his followers that are going to see the video and they're going to believe it. and there's many more who are not. and ultimately she is getting

the best of him, and ultimately, you know, she -- she's the one that got the check on him, and, you know, that's yet to be played out how far that's going to go. because she's got a lot of power over over that boy. >> hold that thought, we'll sneak in a break. jason johnson on the other side of the break. jason johnson on the oer side of the break

carl, i appreciate the invite here. as my broker, what am i paying you to manage my money? it's racquetball time. (thumps) ugh! carl, does your firm offer a satisfaction guarantee? like schwab does. guarantee?

(splash) carl, can you remind me what you've invested my money in? it's complicated. are you asking enough questions about the way your wealth is being managed? if not, talk to schwab. a modern approach to wealth management. i cut you off right before the break. >> no problem. look, i was going to make the point, you can't stop this. there is no stopping this. we can't cut it out of social media. this is the new normal we're going to deal with prfrom this president. it's not that i believe in the wisdom of crowds but a lot of people, people know that what he tweets is often just sort of nonsense and attacks. i don't think it lands the way it used to. he's been doing this eight or nine years or five or six years. >> feels like eight or nine, or 90. >> yeah, but i don't think it lands the way it used to, even if it is degrading and

disgusting. >> i think that's right but he's still able to turn the conversation on the edges. for any of us, an insult lands more than a compliment. this is a smear against a woman who had his number five days in a row. >> and she's going to get his number again. it's like a heckler and a good comedian. the comedian will be remembered but if the comedian has to keep coming up with a response, the heckler won. he can see nancy pelosies heckling him but the fact that he has to go overboard starts to make him look weak. when he throws these temper tantrums and gets this angry this long, all right, but she still got you. >> ron, do you accept that premise that some of his tactics are now less effective because they're so trodden? do you think that the next democrat that goes toe to toe -- the democratic nominee for president will have maybe an easier time than hillary clinton did combatting all the lies,

combatting all the smears, combatting the stunts, wribring human props, human shields to debates? do you think there's some sort of savvy to how he rolls. >> i do think the next democratic candidate will have it easier in a couple of respects. one, the only way donald trump could have won in 2016 was by people believing there's no way donald trump could have won in 2016. that influenced how comey handled this matter and how a lot of the coverage of trump, treated him like an interesting spectacle but not something to be worried about. i think he won't benefit from that in 2020 obviously. i do think some of these things as jen said have been seen over and over again and lose some of their effectiveness. but, but, if you look at the statistics, trump right now is outspending all the democrats combined on social media by a significant margin. and these things aren't just coming from trump. people share them with one another.

people don't know they're coming from trump. their neighboring posts it on facebook. so i do think the democrats have to up their game on social media and work with the platforms to try to police this because this is going to have an effect in 2020. >> jen, i read the story about trump spending on social media. when i read it, i thought why. why? because it's an unregulated media platform. political ads on media platforms have to be true. this altered video about nancy pelosi is all over facebook without any disclaimer. >> yeah, and that is -- that -- having that platform out to all of his people, it just really -- it hurt us a ton. i think democrats will have to -- you can't change human nature and how people respond to things that they see, even when they're not true, but you can do a better job of putting your own message out there and using the platform in a way democrats aren't doing now. that's something they need to change. >> and i think they have to aggressively put their platform out there and deal with the issues as it is and let him be

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what would you like the power to do? my thanks to jason, jen, the rev and ron klain and to all of you for watching. that does it for our hour. i'm nicolle wallace. "mtp daily" with chuck todd starts now. if it's friday, i declassified everything. president trump gives the attorney general sweeping powers to review the russia investigation. you're going to want to hear him explain why. plus high drama over robert mueller's testimony because he apparently does not want to give any public testimony, at least televised testimony. and how the