tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC May 24, 2019 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT
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with us, good night from our msnbc headquarters from here in new york. good night. rachel has the night off but she will be back on monday with a special show. meanwhile, we have a lot to get to tonight on a packed news on friday. donald trump is off to japan after a week of strange news conferences with nancy pelosi. he leaves behind the house that seems to be very broken. the senate last night managed to pass the bill, the only way senate republicans are willing to with the bosses, trump's support. >> even without money for
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trump's vanity border wall. congressman roy objected to that. taking with it, the funding for puerto rico and other parts of the u.s. hit by hurricanes and floods and wildfires. that'll have to wait until tuesday when the house will try to fast track it. meanwhile across the pond, theresa may announced her resignation in an emotional farewell speech. may is stepping down as leader of her conservative party after failing to get parliament to accept her latest plan for brexit. a lot and a lot is up in the air including who her replacement will be. we start with president obama's final g-20 summit in china. it was september of 2016, right before the presidential election. one of president obama's final trip abroad. there he is standing next to angela merkel and all the other world leaders. there is always awkward family
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photos. but there was something about president obama's final g-20 meeting. when it happened it was striking and dramatic that it made the news that night. >> overseas with president obama held of what could be his last meeting with vladimir putin during a tense face-to-face on the sideline of the g-20 summit in china. the two clashed over the issues of syria and cyber security. >> it is true that president obama and the russian president talked about syria and cyber security during that tense one-on-one meeting. president obama said in a press conference said he also used that meeting to confront putin over russian attempts to hack u.s. website. the conversation that led to this dramatic photos, obama kind of towering over putin was not just about chiding him over russia attacking random american websites. we found out at the g-20.
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president obama told vladimir putin that he knew russia was attacking our election in order to hurt hillary clinton and help donald trump. president obama told putin that he knew all about his plan to hack our elections. he told him to cut it out. when you look at those photos now, consider the context of them that the president of the united states was trying to stop an attack by foreign power by going straight to the source by telling him face-to-face to stop. it is also important to consider how president obama knew that russia was behind the attack in the first place. at that point there was not a lot of public facing information that russia was behind the attack on the democratic national committee or the clinton campaign. but, president obama did know because a source inside the kremlin had told the u.s. government about it. "the washington post" put together some stunning reporting about this a couple of years ago. in 2016 a source deep inside the
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kremlin told intelligence officers at the cia that vladimir putin had direct involvement in a cyber campaign to disrupt and discredit the u.s. presidential election. that piece of intelligence was so sensitive and top secret that cia director john brennan ref e refused to put it in the president's daily brief fearing too many people will find out about it. he sent it to the white house by courier in an envelope to be seen only by the president and three of his most senior aides. it came with instructions that it would be returned immediately after it was read. the obama administration held meetings of the russia attack in the situation room when they discussed the information inside the kremlin, they would turn off the cameras inside the room, that was how sensitive it was. senior officials were told toll
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show up in a meeting in the situation room but no one told of what the meeting was about to safe guard that intelligence source. it was a level of security have not been seen since the planning o of the raid to capture osama bin laden. the cia spent years cultivating it having eye and ears who was a former kbg -- a far as we know, vladimir putin never figured out who inside the kremlin leaked his plan to attack our election. he never found out which one of his people told the cia. all of that is at risk. last night donald trump directed his attorney general, bill barr, to conduct a review of how the russia investigation is conducted by the fbi.
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after years of trump claiming that the investigation is on false pretenses and trump demanding to investigate this and his constant claim that the investigation was illegal and the campaign was spied on by the administration and the attack into our election and russia's attempt to help trump get elected amounted to treason. after all that, donald trump has an attorney general he thinks can prove the conspiracy theories are true. this president given barr immense authority to tie to the investigation he bawants. he ordered the cia and fbi and all the intelligence agency within the government to give the attorney general whatever he asked for. he's given the attorney general permission to do whatever he
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wants with those secrets. he can either release them to the public if he so chooses. donald trump hopes or believes that armed with that classified intel, william barr, improve once and for all that the obama administration illegally spied on his presidential campaign. that of course was not what happened. donald trump has tasked his attorney general with reverse engineering the evidence for his conspiracy theory by digging around inside our intelligence agency. let's not forget that he's given that assignment with someone who already cherry picked and selected information from the mueller report. he can cherry pick the intelligence to give the boss what he wants to see. the implications of that are not just political. david sanger and julian barns have a great piece on this over at "the new york times" today. the danger of the president
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authorizing to declassified state's secret to meet his political need. the danger of the move by mr. trump was that it could endanger the agency's ability to keep the identity of its sources secret. including the source that tipped off the government about the attack on our election. the most prominent of those sources among them may be a person close to vladimir putin or russia who provided information to the c.i.a. about his involvement in moscow's 2016 election interference. he was reminded by reporter that treason is punishable by death. in response, did he take it back. trump responded by listing the fbi investigators he thinks are traitors by names. meanwhile, even as the president is raising the spectrum of
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treason, using his attorney general against his political enemies and allowing that attorney general to fire classified intelligence from a kind of confetti cannon out of the windows of the department. that same justice department is prosecuting julian assange. barr's justice department could one day decide to prosecute -- >> if it all seems like we have reached add boiling point or a dangerous combination of ingredients in this news cycle, you are not alone. ryan good man tweman tweeted th. "espionage indictment of assa
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assangeimperils freedom of pr s press." professiona professor goodman, it is good to see you. >> donald trump has been known to invite various leaders of russia into the oval office without any americans present to take phone call of vladimir putin's without any note takers. is there a danger now that through the work of william barr that vladimir putin gets to find out who it was that gave us the information. >> i think so. "the new york times" suggested that there are now people inside our intelligence committee of this particular will be in danger. president trump revealed intelligence information that he
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should not given them and endangered another ally of ours. he want to favor the russians in so many different ways if he truly believes in his kind of cooked up mind that this was a hoax, the hoax also including russian interference and not just collusion -- or working with the trump campaign, why would he when he's exposing the person he's responsible for having told the cia that was happening. i think it is all reasons that people are fearful for this particular individual's life and other sources the intelligence committee would to have in the future. >> we already have donald trump and his allies furious of cr christopher seal. you have this source who again donald trump has not shown he's averse to give up information that the kremlin wants. he and vladimir putin have the
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same interest. donald trump wants the rest of us to believe that there was no collusion and the russians did not help him get elected. if ru tyou are ia target of wil barr, what do you do if you are one of our sources overseas? >> it is a great fear. this president does take it personal and political interest into a much higher level. i do think this is about the legitimacy of his election. he does not want the american people to understand how much the russians helped and worked on his behalf to get him elected. the idea that he can expose somebody that's apart of his hoax. he's given barr, this immense power to get the information and release it to the public. if barr deems it of "public
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value," he can over ride every agen agency. >> william barr, i had friends who are in the legal world called the maurkionarchist. we have a unitarian attorney general. now he has immense power. he made it clear that his goal is to protect and defend donald trump and to make real donald trump's believes even they are conspiracy. >> this particular cabinet member who has the power of law enforcement and we have assange going after the press potentially, right in the cross hairs. assange is like the press
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committing espionage because they are the enemy of the people. it is all baked into their kind of doctrine and the apex, just beneath him is the attorney general and commanding the authority of our country. >> how ironic they're about to give barr to do what they're about to prosecute assange for. >> thank you brian. >> thank you. >> really appreciate you. >> if it does seem to you this may be a historic territory, tlas case f there is a case for that. president richard nixon called to discuss a documentation. we know that because we have the audio tape of nixon hurdling
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with the aide before the cia director got there. >> i was kind of mysterious with him with him about why you were doing all this, i said to him, look, the president has got some very heavy negotiations coming up in the future. >> so they told the cia director that nixon needed these secret files so he can prepare for negotiations. listen to what they really wanted for. supposing we get all the diem stuff and supposing there is something that we can really hang teddy or kennedy clan with. you have to make a decision.
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so nixon was prepared to use the machinery of the government. you heard him say, i am the president, the cia is not. joining me now is michael beslov who pointed out this episode from history today. you always bring the funk as they say, that's amazing. >> nixon is sort of spotted in history as the president who most warped the notion of the presidency. we now have a president who essentially kind of one up at him on the idea of saying i will have the attorney general of the united states declassify things and i will have him prosecute my political end. >> donald trump is taking richard nixon to the sixth
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power. nixon had a couple of things he was looking there. i interviewed the director of cia under nixon. he said that nixon kept oncoming to him and saying i want the kennedy administration's files. i want files on cuba. helm figures that what nixon wanted was evidence that john kennedy ordered the assassination of fidel castro. nixon kept on wanting materials as you see, you had him on the tape on the coup against south vietnam in 1963. they thought if they were able to tie the jfk murder -- they thought that would undermine appeal to catholics to the united states. >> first of all, was that unprecedented in the use o of of - of -of -- of -- obviously the intelligence relatively to modern things. is this a renovation of richard
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nixon of the idea that he can look for them to dig up dirt and doing watergate over and over again. >> it was but the cia was a little bit innovative. franklin roosevelt could have used the fbi, he asked files he can use against his opponents and same thing with some other presidents. with donald trump here is this, nixon were looking for two things. he wanted dirt against his enemies and kennedy. he was worried ted kennedy may be running against him and he was worried that the cia had secrets that would be damaging on him. he didn't know what that could be. if you take that into the present, what is donald trump doing with this effort to get all this stuff or all this intelligence agencies, if nixon is any lessen, i would say he wants to know what they have against him and what he might have done in the past or the present and everything that he
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may be asking these intelligence agencies for secrets that he can use against his own, maybe barack obama or hillary clinton or maybe everyon joe biden. >> what is traditionally has reigned in a president's desire to take this immense power with the executive branch in using the fbi and the justice department. what will rei what reigns them in? >> they should not abuse power as president of the united states and the other thing is fear of getting caught. since watergate 1974, presidents have been nervous that they may be caught doing some of the things that nixon did that led to three counts of impeachment that were suggest against him. one of them was abuse of power.
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what's a better definition of abuse of power than going to all these agencies to get damaging information. >> yeah, fear of getting caught. there has to be consequences when you are caught. >> that's for sure. >> thank you so much, have a wonderful. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. well, it has been 63 days since special counsel mueller handed in his report. we have been collectively waiting to hear from the man himself. robert mueller. something chairman nadler told rachel right here last night have blown everyone's mind. will we ever hear from robert mueller, we got more on that. next. mueller, we got more on that next ♪
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misrepresenting of the report, we have not actually heard from robert mueller. house democrats have been insisting they'll get him into testify. they say they have been negotiating with the justice department and mueller directly. still, no mueller. why not? last night on this program, house judiciary jerry nadler gave rachel the first concrete explanation, at least a partial explanation for what's going on. >> mueller -- i think i can say at this point he wants to testify in private. >> why? >> i don't know why. he's willing to make an opening statement and testify in private and we think it is important for the american people to hear from him and to hear from his answers about the report. >> does he want to testify in private and have it be a closed session where we the people
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won't get to see the transcript. >> no. we'll see a transcript. >> do you have any sense o of -- why would witnesses say something like that or do you have any indication why anybody would want that? >> he envisions himself correctly as a man of great dignity and political and he does not want to participate in anything he may regard as political. >> nadler says he does not want to testify in public. that was new when nadler said that. before that we had no indication as to what's holding up mueller's testimony. where does that leave democrats including issue of impeachment. we keep on hearing whether to open an impeachment inquiry in disagreement opening an inquiry will help lawmakers getting information or witnesses they are after. one of the things you hear from
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those who urge the go slow apretty mu approach is we need to hear from robert mueller, first. >> democrat of maryland and a member of the judicial committee congressman, thank you so much for joining us. >> great to be with you, joy. >> this week you changed your mi mind and in favor of opening an impeachment inquiry. what changed your mind? >> i don't know how much my mind has really changed. republicans move for an impeachment inquiry right after they got the kenneth star report for clinton. let the public digest and simulate it. i read the report in two or three hours right after it came out. i would say probably 99% of americans still have not read the report in there, of course,
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he's documenting of 11 different episodes of presidential and obstruction of justice and four or five of them are airtight cases it seems to me. we thought we would go through a process where thewitnesses came and mr. mueller came in and we took america to it and we'll explain what high crime and misdemeanors. we have been stone walled at every step by president trump and attorney general barr who pulled basically a curtain of propaganda over the whole country for many weeks and misstated and destroyed the content of the report prompting special counsel mueller. that was the whole point. i think most of us on the judiciary committee just throw up our hands and we say let's go ahead and say what's obvious for us from a fair reading or even the redacted report and let's go ahead and launch the inquiry.
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the big conception is that people got to discern the difference between an impeachment inquiry which is an investigation into the fact and clarifications of legal standards verses impeachment articles which is the final excitement whi indictment which may or may not be brought. >> if mueller is still refusing to testify publicly because it does seem to be a much greater value for if public to hear him speech to read the transcripts of what he's saying. >> absolutely. >> would an impeach compel his testimony in public? >> well, we have the authority to subpoena witnesses and so we ask him to come in and we can subpoena his testimony and you know the courts have preferred when congress negotiates with witnesses from the executive branch and mueller is no longer working for the executive branch
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and i know the chairman, you know in his wise way wants to try to make an combinatiaccomodh mueller to do it. dozens of members say impeachment inquiry is indicated. pelosi said this week we are in the midst of seeing a presidential cover up. that's an impeachable offense. the word is out on the table. impeachment inquiry concept is on the table along with other things. today the 25th amendment have come resurging back into focus, joy, because of these extraordinary events that took place in the white house. >> you did mention speaker pelosi. donald trump's erratic response to her is over the top and having his cabinet members attest to his great calm. it is getting weirder. is there active talks because we know there may have been talk inside the white house of the 25th amendment.
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that's an active conversation that's happening inside the house now. >> speaker pelosi showed her compassionate side when she says there should be a family interventi intervention. some conditions are way beyond the capacity of a family intervention to address. it is far more serious, professor lee, psychiatrist at yale medical school had a group doing a mental health analysis of the special counsel's report. the president is failing at every level of basic cogcogniti. he can't engage in decision making without biassed or distortion. he can't keep himself and others free from danger. i guess the basic minimal prerequisites for menital healt. the 25th amendment which was
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adopted in 1957, the nuclear age precisely because of robert f. kennedy. the presidency is way too serious. we have 35 members of congress and if one of them is in come pass tated, we can absorb that. we have one president in the nuclear age. that's very serious. several of them have been invoked before. >> we are out of time -- >> i have to come back to talk about the 25th amendment. >> would that necessitate some kind of conversation with fibar? >> barr is acting like a personal defense lawyer for the president. there were people there apparently, rosenstein raised the question of the 25th amendment. people need to understand that the vice president and the cabinet can determine that the president is unable to successfully discharge the power of office.
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the vice president and the majority of the body set up by congress can do the same thing. congress in more than 50 kbreye have never send the body out. when in case of an emergency, break class and you got to act. >> we'll have to have you come back and have a longer conversation. thank you very much congressman jim jimmy rasmus. >> thank you for your time. a long weekend friday night news stuff. night news stuff. we're working together to do just that. bringing you more great tasting beverages with less sugar or no sugar at all. smaller portion sizes, clear calorie labels and reminders to think balance. because we know mom wants what's best.
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call it a friday night news dump. the drew director of u.s. citizensh citizenship. ken cuccinelli served for the state of virginia several years ago. since then, he has been a main right wing republican politics, he backed the primary challenge to senatoor mcconnell last year. mcconnell told the president do not pick the cuccinelli guy.
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bill banning abortion at eight weeks. the law contains no exception in case of rape or incest. it is the eighth of the state this year to pass abortion law. we are seeing a massive response by pro-choice advocates. today the aclu planned parenthood filed a lawsuit over a.m. alabama abortion ban and punishes doctors up to 99 years in prison for providing abortion services. the aclu is exploring all options to stop the mauissouri w
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going into effect. last year the same judge declared a 15-week abortion ban to be unconstitutional. t the judge's words. "here we go again, mississippi passed a number of law prior to abortio abortions, most women do not seek abortion services until after six weeks, prevents a woman's free choice which is essential for dignity and autonomy." joining us are our department director of the aclu and destiny lopez. it is so nice to have you with us tonight. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> in time that you have been wonderi working on issues like this, has
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there been a flurry of antiabortion? >> we are really seeing their true colors instead of tipping away to the right which they have done for many years. they are taking the direct aim of the right to abortion. >> do these laws which seem on their face to be unconstitutional. >> they're blatantly unconstitutional ban. abortion is legal in all 50 states and we don't want people to be confused of access. you are right that rose verse waroe v. wade
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is i imperil. >> democrats have never really focused on the united states senate and on the supreme court as voting issues. it is a real frustration for a lot of women, that they can't get this and even among voters. >> we have seen outrage on the ground, you had tens of thousands of people showing up across the country of these 500 protest and they are outraged and they know what this agenda is about, it is about bullying and shaming and ultimately punishing women and particularly women of color. we think about kind of the outrage that we saw at the kavanaugh's hearings and now we'll have a drum beat of outrage going up to 2020 where we'll see women who have been the bedrock of the resistance and coming out in record number. we know folks of color, they support this issue and impose these restrictions and young people are going to save us. they voted in record number as the most diverse generation ever. they voted in record numbers in 2018. we anticipate their numbers to
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be higher in 2020. they absolutely oppose these restrictions. they'll want candidate fs from e senate to the white house to do the same. >> will the single republican united states senator lose their senate seat? >> i think if we see the continued outrage that we have seen, i think if we have seen these bills kind of being ram through. when we know what they are about. these bills had nothing to do with abortion care and nothing to do with science or medicine. they include all these inflammatory rhetoric. i think if we continue to see this kind of outrageous attempt to ban abortion out right, you will see people at the voting booths making different decisions. >> let's see worse case scenario, if roe v. wade falls, then what happens. >> a number of states will have ban abortions and a number of state will continue to allow abortion so the reproductive activity right s or movement ar
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planning for the case scenario now. we are seeing practioactive meas like in maine. and now advance practice clinicians can provide abortions. >> have they provide enough air cover on theis issue? >> i think they have stumbling. we have seen record numbers on these candidates on the trail saying they support abortion rights and got plans to create offices and reproductive freedom. there is commitment from much of the democratic field to ensure that not only do we protect roe but we go beyond this and make sure people can access care. >> all right, thank you both for
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2020 deadline, yes or no? >> so let me comment that the primary reason we have looked at redesigning the currency is for counterfeiting issues. based upon this $20 bill will now not come out until 2028. >> this week treasury steve mnuchin admitted to counshat he propo postponing plan to put harriet tubman's face on a $20 bill. it was a ground full of support for the woman who escaped slavery and returning to the south and served as union army spy and spent her liquidatater
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speaking on behalf of women. the extra bonus, putting harriet tubman on $20, marching into the back of the bill. now, trump's treasury secretary is saying none of that will happen, at least not until 2028. they have to focus on other issues, counterfeit issues. the need for more time will be laughable if we are so insulting. are we really expecting to believe that the administration one that boast about its capabilities need eight more years for new design. should you start with the $20 bill since it is one of the most widely circulated?
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steve mnuchin refused to put harriet tubman to the $20 bill. when an artist heard these, he made these stamps. since mnuchin broke the news about the bill this week. now, he's totally out of stock and he's toying away trying to make more but still agree it will take time. joining us now the designer of 3-d printed, danny wall. thank you for being here. >> is it legal to put a stamp on money? >> yes, there is a couple of things you can do to american currency, you can mark it in a way as to destroy it or make it
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fit for circulation. you can't stamp any advertisements. as long as you are not changing the denomination or marking over the texts on the bill in any way, it is not against it. >> why did you decide to make these? in 2016 they announced the $20 bill would include harriet tubman i was really excited, in general i think we have lived in a racist society and currency is ambiguity to have the power to spread ideas about who we are as a nation and what represents so i felt it is symbolic and important change to include harriet tubman on the $20 bill.
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it sounded heartbroken when it sounded that it is going to be taken away. >> we want to see you demonstrate this, go ahead. >> stamp and the rubber face is molded and there is a cut out here that lines with the seal of the federal reserve. you line it up and go as straight as you can and press down and -- >> suddenly, it is a tubman. >> now, suddenly you go from having an an drew jackson to a tubman. i have another one here. what has been the reaction to this? >> i have been spending basically only tubman since i started making these in 2017. people are just in their day-to-day routine and they don't notice. sometimes they do and it sparks a conversation. how she's going to be on the $20
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bill and i think it is a good entry point to talk about representation. >> i like it, i am going to be spending tubman. >> dano wall. thank you for ubiquity has the power to spread ideas. never thought about that before your guest said that. >> there's almost nothing you've never thought of. dano gets a point tonight. >> i'm in amazement. thank you, joy, as always. look forward to seeing you this weekend.
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