viral video of nancy pelosi sprets across social media and stays there. th found, a hiker turns up alive after going more than two weeks missing in a hawaiian forest. but new this hour, a federal judge in california is blocking president trump from using defense department funds secured under his national emergency declaration to build parts of his u.s./mexico border wall. it begins work on two planned projects across 50 miles. and the battle between democrats and house republicans intensifying, house impeachment growing with 38 democrats supporting it and one republican. david gura joinhad this guest earlier. >> the only message i'm getting

is we have to get rid of president trump. a lot of my colleagues are hearing about health care and so forth, i'm really not. there's such incredible concern about the future of our democracy right now that they are really pushing hard to get rid of the president. >> but democrats are not getting the same support from the senate, according to the hill. the senate democrats want the house to tamp town the impeachment talk, seeing it hurting more than helping their efforts to win back the senate majority. meanwhile, facebook now responding to manipulated videos of house speaker nancy pelosi that made it seem like she was slurring her words. the social media giant accounting the video which had been viewed millions of times was faked but is refusing to delete it. >> everybody who is seeing this video in newsfeed, anybody who is going to share it to anybody else or shared it in the past, they're being alerted this video is false. this is part of the way we deal with misinformation. we think it's important for people to make their own informed choice about what to

believe. >> and the president kicking off a four-day visit to japan for the tifrt time since 2017. the president addressing japanese and american business leaders at the japan's ambassador in tokyo before heading in for the night. kristin walker is also following the president in tokyo. a big welcome to you, my friend. what is the president hoping to achieve out of this trip? >> hi, alex. so great to talk to you. president trump is aiming to really strengthen ties with japan during this trip. it is going to be filled with pomp and path entry. he's going to become the first world leader to meet the new emperor here. tomorrow he will play a round of golf with prime minister abe. he's also going to attend a sumo wrestling match but there's going to be policy at work too. president trump will hold bilateral talks with the prime minister. at the forefront of the talks will be the issue of trade. this is a key campaign issue for

president trump. he wants to strike a bilateral trade deal with japan. he long accused of this country of chronic surpluses. take a listen to the president when he was speaking a few hours ago. >> as you know the united states and japan are hard at work negotiating a bilateral trade agreement which will benefit both of most of our countries. i would say japan had a substantial edge for many years but that's okay, maybe that's why you like it so much. but we hope to get it a little more fair. and we will remove exports and ensure fairness and reciprocity in our relationship and we're getting closer. >> alex, a number of foreign policy hotspots are looming garth over this visit. north korea and u.n. ambassador john bolton the first time saying north korea did in fact violate u.n. security

resolutions with its recent missile test. that's the break we heard from president trump. initially he said that north korea didn't violate u.n. security resolutions. also the issue of iran. yesterday the president announcing he's sending 1,500 troops to the region as a warning to iran and its nuclear program. we had excitement here, alex. we had an earthquake overnight. it was a minor one, i am told. we did feel it though. and it hit right in the area where president trump's going to be playing golf tomorrow. but we're told it's a regular occurrence here. so not to be too worried, alex. >> okay, if you say so. being a california girl, those things can be not fun at all. thank you, kristen welker from tokyo. joining me now, laura barren lopez from politico and political editor of "time" magazine. the president is in japan but leaves behind big bites in washington. does he help him being away at this time or does it help him what's happening is

overshadowing his trip? >> alex, twitter works everywhere. i think you will see him weighing in as he always does from international trips on all kinds of issues. i think perhaps taking a moment away from his feud with nancy pelosi is a good thing for both of them. and this is something that i think is really popular with their base is having this sort of strawman to fight down and fight with and to sort of rail against. but at the same time if you're trying to get something done as we saw this week in washington, it's incredibly unproductive. we saw the infrastructure deal just sort of go up in smoke. it is i think good for him to be focusing on some type of policy rather than all of the politics of it because it's really been total politics the last week and being able to focus on something and say here's a victory is crucial at this moment. >> let's get to the escalating feud between the peekspeaker ane president. here's an example of the back and forth. pretty pretty dramatic. take a listen. >> crazy nancy.

i'll tell you what, i have been watching her and i have been watching her for a long period of time. she's not the same person. >> i whishz family or his staff would have an intervention for the good of the country. >> i'm an extremely stable genius. >> okay, laura, speaker pelosi has clearly gotten under the president's skin, but what do you think prompted her to do? is is there any indication this is in response to pressure by fellow democrats, many calling for impeachment to sharpen the approach to the president? >> it is very clear pelosi is ratcheting up her comments. we haven't heard her being forceful previously and part of it, alex, is like you mentioned part of the pressure she's facing from her carcass. we're not just talking progressive far left members but some vulnerable democrats in battleground swing districts that democrats don't want to lose because if they do, they can can lose the majority to republicans in 2020. some of those members are starting to feel as though they

have no choice, and impeachment inquiry at the very least, which doesn't necessarily lead to impeachment but could, is something which democrats should start right away. >> this narrative, jay, do you think everything nancy pelosi's putting out there, does it bring democrats any closer to an impeachment inquiry? or do you think it's just a way to try to deflect from this debate? >> i think nancy pelosi has already taken the case she wants to wait and see how the investigations play out. there are almost 30 at this point active investigations into the president either in the courts or in congress. and really this week's series of court decisions, victories for democrats and getting access potentially to his new york state tax returns, getting -- there's a bunch of court victories that happened that gives them more access to things, potentially aiding those investigations, really just bolsters her case to sort of say let's let the process play out. let's see where these investigations lead us, if these investigations find really damning evidence, of course, it

would be appropriate to open up that impeachment inquiry. although it's clear pressure is mounting. >> yeah. within the context of the president's feud with the speaker, congressman jackie speier yesterday brought up the 25th amendment and here's what she said about it -- >> i have felt for some time the mental stability of the president of the united states is in question. and i suggested invoking the 25th amendment way back when, when he was calling the leader of north korea rocketman and trying to jin up a war with north korea. and i think that what we have here is someone who is obsessed. >> and, look, lauren, she's certainly not alone in those sentiments. but is this something that has come up more frequently of late with democrats? what do you make of what she said? >> that's something we heard

before going months back, congressman raskin of maryland i believe wrote a bit about the bill of article 25 and trump's instability that democrats believe he has. so i haven't really heard from that many democrats i have spoken to in this last week pressure to increase any talk about using that in order to go after trump. so don't really think that that's a route democrats will go. plus thpelosi joked about it at the press conference, that's the idea they're floating around but she's never shown any indication she's behind it. >> interesting. jay, getting into this segment you heard congressman john yarmen saying his constituents want to see the president go, they want him pushed out of office. is there any way to engage the appetite? because in terms of members of congress talking about this, this is the first i can recall relaying this message to

constituents. >> alex, i think polling results show people don't want to donald trump impeached, at least the majority of those don't want to see the president impeached at this point. obviously that changes when you look at the bases. if you look at the democratic base versus republican base, the republican base is strongly supportive of the president still but the democratic base wants it at least started. so when you see the democratic base moving away and any support from an inquiry building because they are hearing from constituents this is something they want. the danger here is with independents though, who are sort of in between, who are the ones who might swing the polls in a different way and say i don't want to see this, it's too acrimonious and not what i'm interested in. democrats need those independents, much like trump does, to win the general election in 2020. pelosi hears and some degree senate democrats are playing a long game knowing if they become too polarizing, if they pander to their base too much, they will put off independents and

potentially risk winning the 2020 collection. >> can you weigh in on that, laura? ultimately do you think the back and forth is kouncounterproduct? to jay's point, do you seerj side gaining politically from this? >> that's the big question democrats are weighing now and why a lot are struggling with whether or not to pursue impeachment because they're worried it could cost them seats. that being said, i have been to the battlegrounds and this isn't something talked about. very few bring up mueller or the possibility of impeachment. they're still asking about health care and that was a big winner for democrats in 2018. that's why they won the house. so if democrats on the ground can keep the focus on health care and lowering prescription drug prices and issues like that, then can he can make weather the storm if they decide to pursue impeachment. >> interesting. lauren barren lopez and jay small, thank you so much. have a good weekend. 2020 presidential candidate representative seth moulton is joining me next to talk about

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the white house is just crying out for attention. >> it's not anybody wants to be impeached. >> i don't think any responsible assistant to the president of the united states would advised him to do what he did yesterday. >> i'm a very capable person.

we're going to see what happens. >> well, developing this hour that feud between house speaker nancy pelosi and president trump is reaching a new level. nancy pelosi taking a tougher approach to the president as she trades jabs but she is stopping short at leading impeachment proceedings. joining me now, massachusetts senator seth moulton, also, of course, a 2020 presidential candidate. congressman, welcome to you, sir. i do want to talk about your your national service plan, your presidential campaign as well. but i first have to ask you about what is going on right now in washington? as nancy pelosi said impeachment is off the table for now. i know you're among the growing list of democrats who support starting those proceedings or at least an inquiry. just last year you had opposed speaker pelosi for retaking the role of speaker. tell me how you feel now. do you support how she's leading the party through the situation or not? >> well, i think she's doing an outstanding job of standing up to trump. she's clearly getting under his

skin but i do disagreement with her on impeachment because i think we have a constitutional duty regardless of the politics to start this inquiry and have a debate before congress and the american people. she's made a very good political case for why it may noting the right time. let's just put politics aside for a minute and do the right thing by the constitution we swore an edge to protect and defend and that is hold this administration accountable, regardless of the politics of the moment. >> when you go and speak with your constituents and others across the country as you campaign, do you get a sense citizens would become more likely to support impeachment if and an inquiry were to prove there were definitive reasons to proceed, and it wasn't in such a gray area as it is right now? >> that is exactly what happened with nixon. and this is a pretty blatant case. i mean, half the president's 2016 campaign team is in prison.

his campaign chairman is in prison. he's been violating subpoenas left and right. another term for violating subpoenas is breaking the law. that's what the president is doing every single day. so don't tell me that there's not enough to debate impeachment. we live in a country where everybody has to follow the law, and clearly the president is not. so we need to have this debate. i think having it in front of the american people will in fact make more people realize that this is really stuff -- really serious stuff going on with this president in the white house. >> do you have a similar experience as of that representative john yarmuth that we played a sound bite earlier of that his constituents are saying to him, we have to get this president out? it seems their supporting the prospect of impeachment. do you hear that? >> i do hear that. i also hear people say we shouldn't have this debate. i hear people who are concerned about the political results of it for 2020. so there are a lot of different

opinions out there. but i just come back to what the right thing to do is here, alex. we've got to follow the constitution. the constitution is very clear that it's congress' duty to hold the executive accountable, especially a president breaking the law and i don't think anyone is debating he's not breaking the law by violating subpoenas. so we need to have this inquiry. congress does two things, we debate and we vote. i don't think it's the right time to vote on impeachment. we don't have all of the facts yet. in fact i voted for opening this discussion last year. a lot of this evidence was already on the table last year. i just think it's the right thing to do regardless of the politics and that's why we should move forward with this debate. >> duly noted. let's get noted to your presidential campaign. the first debates are a month from tomorrow. and to make the stage, candidates need to receive 1% support across the polls at a minimum or 65,000 unique donor

contributions. how close are you, sir, in reaching the thresholds? >> i only announced the campaign four weeks ago so we're moving in that direction and we are getting closer. but what i'm hearing from people on the ground is there's time for a new leadership in our politics and we have to be tough taking on trump. that's exactly what i'm doing on the campaign trail. i come to the race with a unique background. the only candidate who has led troops in combat and really fundamentally had this job of having to bring together a remarkably diverse group of americans with different political believes, different religious believes, and get them united behind a common mission in an incredibly divisive time in the middle of a war with the leadership. i'm also the only one in this race that's taking on trump on that aspect of the job. i'm the only one talking about national security, and that is where trump is weakest.

so if we're going to take him on, if we're going to be successful beating him, we have to have a plan how we as democrats make the country safe and strong and secure. this is a weak president. let's call him out on it. that's exactly what i'm doing in this campaign. >> you bring up your military service. i want to ask you about the tension that's have been building with iran. the pentagon will be sending 1,500 troops to the middle east to try to counter iranian threats. do you support this, do you think it's the right move at the right time? >> i think the president is extremely dangerous when it comes to iran and frankly a whole bunch of other conflicts arrange the globe. just look what happened in the last week. his buddy in north korea is shooting off missiles, he had a failed coup in venezuela two weeks ago and he clearly has no strategy for how to deal with iran. the administration is trumping up intelligence and this is spilling out into congress. had a reported -- i had a briefing with liz cheney, among

others, and she and i got into quite a heated debate as was reported in the press. she seems to think this is a slam dunk, that the intelligence clearly means we need to go to war. i don't think that's the case at all. and my concern is that people like mike pompeo, the secretary of state and john bolton, are ushing us towards a war and we have the president who doesn't have the credibility to keep us out. remember this is a president much like george w. bush who was pushed by john bolton and others into iraq. this is a president who also dodged the draft to get out of serving himself. so he doesn't have the credibility to stand up to these hawks and say no, this is not the right decision. we should not be escalating tensions with iran. they are a threat to our national security but pushing us into an incident in the gulf that might require a response is not the right way to handle this threat. war is not necessary. >> i do want to get to national service education, but one more question, sir, because as you're well aware, a number of current

and former military officers are now urging the white house not to pardon military members who have committed war crimes. look, having served overseas yourself, i'm curious where you stand on this. >> it's disgusting. we have a five-time draft dodger as our commander in chief who's pardoning war criminals. that's what's going on. it's an incredible disservice to all of us, the 99.9% of veterans who went overseas and in the midst of very difficult circumstances served honorably. there's nothing i'm more proud of than the fact that despite all of the tragedy of the iraq war, my marines and i, we never lost our grip on american values. so to pardon a few war criminals, to basically disagree with the honor annual peopable decided they should go to prison, it just shows how little this president understands what it really means to serve the

country. >> let's get to t this week you unveiled the national service education plan. tell us how it works and how it will help young americans serve our country. >> absolutely. to move in the positive direction here from our commander in chief, what we really need to do is find a way to bring this country together. i can't think of a better way to do that than to challenge every one of the 33 million young americans between the ages of 17 and 24 to serve their country. this is actually how we've always met the greatest challenges in america, through service. we climbed out of the great depression. we won world war ii. we sent a man to the moon, by giving everybody a stake in a common mission. so just imagine what we could do today with young americans serving the country to address climate change, make our communities more resilient from rising floodwaters and oceans, to bring rural broadband to america. to make everybody -- to make sure every single person in america has safe drinking water. these are some of the things we can achieve. and i'm advocating this because

of my own experience serving in the marines, recognizing what it meant to be a part of a mission bigger than myself. the way that it gave me a sense of purpose and brought me together with americans from all across this country. so that's what i'm advocating. here's the deal, if you invest in america, we will invest in you. so we'll have a federal education guarantee modeled on the gi bill that says if you do one, two or three years of service to the country, we'll help you pay tuition to college or a vocational school so you're prepared for the jobs in the new economy. >> all right. 2020 democratic presidential candidate seth moulton, also massachusetts congressman. that's a really good idea. i applaud that, sir. thank you so much for talking with me. >> thank you, alex. found alive, how a hiker missing for more than two weeks in a forest managed to survive until rescue crews could find her. ould find her. -we bought a house in a neighborhood

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now to what is simply being called a miracle. a woman missing in hawaii for more than two weeks after she went hiking in the woods is found alive. nbc's molly hunter reports on the rescue and reunion.

>> found and she is alive! hallelujah! >> reporter: a miracle in maui. >> it's just unbelievable. i'm so incredibly happy to have my girl back. >> reporter: a woman who was missing ever since she set off on a hike more than two weeks ago is safe and sound, reunited with her friends and family. 35-year-old amanda eller, a yoga instructor and physical therapist, mysteriously disappeared may 8th after going on a walk in the woods. when she didn't come home, her boyfriend called police fearing the worst. >> that she did not arrive home at night, i knew something was wrong. >> police found her white sunk with wallet and cell phone inside at a popular trail in the mack waughia reserve in maui. but after 72 hours, police called off the search. her family and friends didn't give up and the family offered up $50,000 for her return. search parties scanned the area by land and air.

>> we felt confident she was in the forest. >> reporter: and deep friday they spotted her deep in the forest. >> we're all looking down at the same time and at the same time we did a double take, oh, there's a hiker. >> reporter: it was amanda, waving her arms at teams in the sky, stuck between two water falls but able to stand and walk and talk. she never lost hope. >> she's a very strong girl, physically strong, emotionally strong. if anybody will make it through this, this will be her. and she did. >> imagine that moment when they spotted here. she told firefighters after she started walking she got lost and just kept heading downhill. the star said ella was in good conditions, very good spirits when she was lifted to a landing zone and reunited with her family, a moment they will all remember for rest of their lives. after a week of rough weather, places still seeing heavy rain and floods. this is what it looked like in eastern oklahoma.

head further north toward tulsa, a casino was swamped by floodwaters. joining me a very busy woman in weekend, vanessa webb. talk about the outlook today. >> alex, it continues here the past eight days we've been dealing with severe weather. we're kind of seeing a lull across the plains to the midwest but the same storm front is making its way through the east. now severe weather, it will highly increase here throughout the afternoon. you have warm air that continues to be in place. the flooding video that you just saw, we saw about four inches to about five inches across kansas just in the last 24 hours and still 6 million across the flood risk from texas and all the way from portions of the midwest through the afternoon. the severe weather risk continues to be enhanced across ohio valley and the northeast with 8 million under that risk. but with this daytime heating, it's really going to spark up these storms. you can see the enhanced risk

from texas to oklahoma city where 10 million under that risk throughout the afternoon. now these storms are really going to fuel up in the next 24 to 36 hours and really look how it stretches and becomes more materialized around dodge city into omaha for sunday. this is a weekend people want to be out and about but unfortunately, the torrential rain is really going to be an issue from kansas city to des moines here, where we could potentially see two to three more inches pf flooding rain. alex? >> nothing to celebrate on that holiday weekend weather forecast. thank you, vanessa. two legal options for the president's tax returns could finally see the light of day. why voters could get a look at them before they head to the polls in 2020. the polls in 2020.

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do you think the american people have a right to know what's in those tax forms? >> no, i don't. presidents are not required to and the american public knew he didn't release them before they voted for him. >> now treasury secretary steve mnuchin there wednesday unequivocal about not releasing the president's taxes. but new reports suggest it is possible voters could see those returns before the next election. some legal experts say the supreme court may not take on the case if it does not present new legal issues or if appellate courts are not divided. that means a final ruling could come before november 2020. as for new york, governor andrew

cuomo's expected to sign into law a bill that would clear the way for congress to obtain the president's state tax returns. joining me now, congressman brendan bo brendan boyle, a democrat from pennsylvania and member of the ways and means committee. welcome back to the program. thank you very much for joining me. i'm curious, your realistic expectations as whether this legal fight could be decided before the 2020 election? and do you support opening an impeachme impeachment inquiry to enforce subpoenas as some of your democratic colleagues are suggesting to do just that? >> thank you. it's great to be back with you, alex. i actually predict this issue over the taxes will be settled by november of next year. two significant things happened just in the past week. first already a court has found in our favor regarding the president's taxes saying there's no discretion here. he does have to turn them over to congress. and the second thing is of the subpoenas moving forward also in

the courts with respect to the ways and means committee on which i serve. now, i do believe that the reason why the administration originally went to court was simply to run out the clock. they know they're not going to win. the law here is completely unambiguous. the treasury secretary nor the irs commissioner has any discretion over this matter. the tax returns do have to be turned over once requested by the house ways and means committee chair. i believe though they simply have an attempt to run out the clock. the fact the court ruled quickly already on this matter does give me real optimism it will be decided by certainly fall of next year. >> to your point, all of this is happening as "the washington post," as you know, obtained that draft irs legal memo which was prepared last fall in which it states that an assertion of executive privilege is the only basis to prevent the president's tax returns being released.

and you have the treasury secretary who's dismissing that memo, listen to this -- >> did you discuss the memorandum with anybody outside the white house, outside the white house i'm referring to legal counsel, i'mer fromming r lawyers and advisers. >> let me be clear, the only person i discussed that memo with is the counsel sitting behind me here today. >> you are aware that memo contradicts the conclusion you're relying upon? >> no, i actually don't believe that's the case. >> even if the courts are in your favor, do you think this could backfire in that president's supporters are not convinced why they need to know what's in the president's returns or do you think trump supporters want to see if the numbers support the president's many claims? >> first, i think we simply have to do the right thing here, regardless of the politics.

but second, the last polling that i've seen, and it's been a little bit of a while since i last saw a poll on this matter, but the last polling i did see said overwhelmingly, i believe it was more than 70% of the american people, saying that the president should follow the example of every single previous president in my lifetime, which is publicly lease his tax returns. i'm someone who believes this norm needs to be re-established. and i believe it should be re-established actually in law, that for the democratic nominee and republican nominee for president from 2020 on forward and certainly whoever wins has to just by practice and by rule of law release those tax returns. especially when it comes to president trump when there's so many questions about the ways in which his financing of debt may be compromising official decisions that he's taking in office, when it comes to the

saudis and russia, when it comes to potentially others, this president has more legitimate questions about the ways in which his finances might be compromising him than all previous presidents of my lifetime combined. >> okay, let's talk about the president, who is giving the ag unprecedented sweeping privileges to investigate the origins of the russia investigation. so here's the president explaining his decision. >> they will be able to see how the hoax, how the hoax or witch-hunt started and why it started. it was an attempted coup or an attempted takedown of the president of the united states. he's going to look at a lot of documents, some he might find interesting. maybe he will find none interesting. but for over a year, people have asked me to declassify. so what i've done is i have declassified everything. >> even if this investigation does not show any illegal behavior, do you think it's in

the public's right to know if there was any inappropriate conduct in exactly how the investigation started? >> let's stop and take a step back and realize just how crazy this is. the president and his supporters want us to believe that there was some grand conspiracy led by senior officials of the justice department and fbi, all of whom by the way happened to be registered republicans, yet they were engaged somehow in this grand conspiracy to you hurt donald trump as a candidate when meanwhile they actual flily nev released that information to the public during the campaign? in fact, the only thing that was released publicly was by then director comey 12 days before the election damaging to hillary clinton. it is simply insane. this is not a witch-hunt. we've seen over 100 indictment counts that were filed. we've seen five different senior

officials, the trump presidential campaign and trump white house, actually indicted, plead guilty or convicted. so just continuing to engage in this sort of crazy conspiracy theory and giving it any legitimacy i think is a real disservice. >> so what is your sense of the posturing by the attorney general, who's going full filt with what the president is asking of him? >> and that's the part that is maybe the most disturbing of all, the fact that we now have a relatively new attorney general who is aiding and abetting donald trump as if he's more like a private client. i am deeply disturbed about it. my colleague adam schiff, the head of the intelligence committee, actually called it un-american. and there's a real danger at stake now that sources and methods that we practice in intelligence, especially as it rempts to russia, could now be publicly released and people who are cooperating with us within the putin regime might actually

now really be at risk. so what we're talking about here is indeed quite dangerous. i think the whole way the attorney general, mr. barr, has conducted himself throughout this has been truly disgraceful, from the original letter, the four-page letter that he wrote which completely mischaracterized the mueller report, which i have read and i hope every american does. please do read the 400 pages of it and recognize and realize the ways in which this attorney general is attempting to mislead the american people. >> congressman brendan boyle, have a great memorial day weekend. thank you for joining me. appreciate it. >> all right. thank you. nancy pelosi's video and potential dangers but what can be used to stop the menacing video manipulations? lations?

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>> yes, sir. >> what was my attitude when walked in? >> you were very calm and you were very direct. >> larry, you were there. what was my attitude yesterday if you remember. >> you were very calm and you laid out the case. >> sarah, we were just talking about the meeting yesterday. what was my tone yesterday at the meeting? >> very calm. i have seen both and this was definitely not an angry or ranting. >> yep, cannot make this stuff up. joining me now policy strategist elaine beverly who works for the obama administration, bill press nationally syndicated talk show host and msnbc strategist rick tyler and msnbc political analyst. welcome to all of you. rick, just talk about that scene and what it says about the white house, how it functions and about those who have kept their jobs. >> sycophants r us. sycophants if you like, either one. i kind of felt bad for the

farmers who were kind of wondering what they were all doing that. trump is ruining farming and it's nearly irrekov aerable now and these poor farmers are getting $1.50 per acre when he should be getting $16 per acre. he's driven the market value to half and sitting there claiming victory about farmers who are losing their farms and yet he's obsessed with this idea he wasn't in full control of the meeting. it's just really sad. >> to you, elaine, you worked in the obama administration under that president. what was your take on this spectacle? >> i sure did. as a former obama white house aide, i would feel sympathetic if i wasn't so appalled by these white house officials who seemed to have checked their spines, their truth and their autonomy at the door. it is just appalling. if it wasn't so funny, it would be really, really devastating at

this point. i think what it points to is to the larger point that nancy pelosi is so good at poke egg the bear when it comes to donald trump, that at the point of announcing a multi million dollar bailout for farmers he would stop and parade his fact to points to the fact he's come and straightforward instead of requiring a mental intervention. >> oh, but you forgot, he's a very stable genius, self-proclaimed. he said that. to your point the feud bill between the president speaker pelosi escalated dramatically this week. both getting quite personal with their attack lines now. were democrats pushing speaker pelosi towards impeachment? are they going to see this as some sort of progress on her part? >> first of all, look, nancy pelosi is in charge, alex. that's very, very clear. in terms of the standoff between donald trump and nancy pelosi, i've lost track but i think the score is like 6-0 in nancy's favor. what i think is so remarkable

about it is she stands up to donald trump, she rattles donald trump. kpleer clearly she did this week. by questioning his manhood, questioning his sanity, suggesting the need for an intervention, accusing him of a temper tantrum. you get into his mental stability or his manhood and donald trump just has to react. he can't help himself. and at the same time through it all nancy pelosi keeps her dignity. so to your question are the democrats going to force nancy into itmpeachment before she's ready to go there? no way. she's in charge. i think this shows how idiotic the democrats were six months ago that wanted to deny nancy pelosi the leadership and put a rookie in charge. democrats need a tough person like nancy pelosi and they got it. >> i want to ask you about these videos that were manipulated to make her sound drunk. is this where the republican

party is in may 2019, you think fake videos are fair game? i know you don't but speaking on behalf of others in the party. >> i thought the drunk donald trump video was actually much funnier. but it was very clear that video was released, how they achieved it, and this video was sent out without -- look, this is going to be part of the noise and reality of the information age. it's very interesting anybody can do this. it's very simple to do. you don't have to be very sophisticated to do these kind of videos and unfortunately, we have to get used to them. the good news is voter beware, right. don't believe everything you hear. don't believe everything you say. check it out, verify it and sourcing is now going to be even more important. and why look to the mainstream press more so than i would towards other parties, shall we say. >> you know, alina, i'm curious where democrats go from here.

they're not dishing fake videos back at the president. he though is refusing to work with them on policy, stonewalling their investigation. what other tools do they have left? >> let me take one step back and talk about facebook a little bit. right now delete facebook is trending on twitter. these are really dangerous times. it's not just about false videos being thrown back and forth, there have been disinformation campaigns that have -- that were to have been raged by russia on facebook and have targeted in particular the african-american community. so the voter beware really tends to have to be minority communities who are watching facebook and watching instagram and seeing sort of the gospel according to instagram. this is important. this needs to be regulated, and we all need to make sure we're being knowledgeable when we interact with facebook. >> okay. you make a very good point there. how about this then, bill, what about this feud, how does this play out with the american people who really want to see washington get a few things

accomplished in the next 18 months? who do you think they blame for the gridlock or is there a chance they get something done? >> i think it's pretty clear from my point of view, donald trump, he was tripping over all of the marbles when he ran out of the room. he said i'm not going to work with you unless you do everything my way, pass this first or i won't doe that, bump, bump, bump. i think it's clear who is the obstructionist here. back to your question about where democrats go from here, alex, i think there are three things and that's what nancy pelosi has been saying, keep focusing on the legislative agenda, prescription drugs, minimum wage, et cetera. keep the hearings going. see what comes out of the hearings. and build a case for donald trump against donald trump in 2020. and i think that's where the democrats are going to go under pelosi's leadership. >> okay, bill press, rick tyler, elena beverly. thank you for joining us over a holiday weekend. the note taker from the mueller report could respond to a subpoena by the house jieshy committee. e.ted ice mint.

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raising big questions about who deserves a spot on the debate stage and which not. good day, everyone, from msnbc world headquarters here in new york, welcome to "weekends with alex witt." developing this hour, president trump's long border wall is facing a new setback. a federal judge in california blocking the president from using defense department funds secured under his emergency national declaration to build parts of his u.s./mexico border wall. the order prevents work from beginning on two planned projects to add about 51 miles of fence across two areas and the battle between house democrats intensifying, impeachment proceeding calls are growing against 38 democrats and one republican now supporting it. one of them, massachusetts representative and 2020 presidential candidate seth moulton, who joined me earlier. >> i think we have a constitutional duty regardless of the politics to start this inquiry, to open this debate and to have it before congress and

the american people. we live in a country where everybody has to follow the law, and clearly the president is not. so we need to have this debate. >> meanwhile, facebook now responding to manipulated videos of house speaker nancy pelosi that made it seem like she was slurring her words. the social media giant acknowledging the video, which has been viewed millions of times, was faked but is refusing to delete it. >> anybody who is seeing this video in newsfeed, anyone who is going to share it to somebody else, anybody who has shared it in the past, they're being alerted this video was false. and this is part of the way that we deal with misinformation. we think it's important for people to make their own informed choice about what to believe. >> and the president kicking off a four-day visit to japan. addressing both american and japanese business leaders at the u.s. ambassador's residence in tokyo a few hours ago before turning in for the night. nbc's kristen welker is in tokyo

as well. she's following the president, as is her custom. set the scene for us, crest akr. what are the expectations for this visit? >> they're really rolling out the red carpet for president trump, ail. . he's going to become the first world leader to meet the new emperor here. there's going to be plenty of pomp and pageantry. he will play a round of golf with the prime minister tomorrow and attend a sumo wrestling match. he will hold bilateral talks though with the prime minister. first will be the issue of trade, the president wants to strike a bilateral trade deal with japan. he talked about that. the leaders like john bolton now saying for the first time he believes north korea violated international regulations with the missile launches last month we covered so deeply. and iran will also be front and

center, alex, after president trump announced yesterday he's going to send 1,500 troops to the region as a warning to iran about its nuclear program. but the president has on his mind the domestic issues looming garth, the domestic turbulence he dealt with last week after the feud he's been having with house speaker nancy pelosi really escalated amid that escalating cause for impeachment. nancy pelosi resisted the calls as well but it launched really sharp barbs at the president saying effectively he's committed a cover-up, impeachable offenses. he fired back forcefully before he left. take a listen to what he had to say. >> did you hear what she said about me long before i went after her? did you hear she made horrible statements. she knows they're not true. she said terrible things. so i just responded in kind. look, you think nance yas the same as she was? she's not. maybe we can all say that.

>> the president also tweeted out those edited videos of the house speaker, as you have been talking about so extensively, alex, so that's another escalation in this ongoing back and forth. we hope to ask the president about all of this. he's going to be holding a joint news conference with the prime minister on monday. alex? >> okay, kristen welker, thank you so much. my friend, it is after 2:00 in the morning your time so thank you very much for staying away. joining me now, melanie, congressional report for politico and a political repo reporter from nbc news. good to have you both. do you think this is a good time for the president to be away from washington now amid the domestic battles he has, feud with speaker pelosi? >> certainly an opportunity for the president to look presidential. he could meet the new emperor as kristen was just saying, conducting high-profile diplomacy. this is traditional moves the presidents have always made at

times when things in washington are looking heated and would like to get away from it. the question whether he will be able to leave what's happening in washington behind. we know he has a tendency to keep up with fox news wherever he's going, keep up with his twitter account. i have a feeling even as he could be taking this opportunity to look more magnanimous and presidential he will be going after pelosi and democrats and everything else that will likely be on his mind. >> going after pelosi and the democrats is one thing but we have not seen this kind ever back and forth between the president and speaker before, not the way it played out this week. the president appeared to be particularly agitated when pelosi said he needed a family intervention. why do you think nancy pelosi is rach ratcheting up the rhetoric, why now? >> she's definitely ratcheting up the rhetoric and that is because she's facing a divide in her own caucus about impeachment. i think you're seeing the nancy pelosi playbook how to keep those calls at bay. one of the things she's done is call for things like a contempt

vote against attorney general william barr and rached up her rhetoric by saying the trump presidency a cover-up. she questioned his manhood. she questioned his mental fitness for office and this is really getting under the president's skin. i think there's also something if you look back at this past week, the president is really frustrated. he lost two different court battles in the dem oversight war. he's also facing growing impeachment calls including from republicans. so up until now he's really refrained from the name calling, even though he had gone toe to toe with nancy pelosi before but it really feels like we're at a new low. >> yeah, in terms of the democrats calling for impeachment, more of them are definitely doing so. we will show a list that is definitely growing. let's look at what congressman john yarmuth said to my colleague david goria this morning. >> the only thing i hear among constituents now is we've got to get rid of president trump. that's really the only message i'm getting. it's interesting a lot of my

colleagues say they're hearing about health care and so forth. i'm really not. there's such incredible concern about the future of our democracy right now that they're pushing hard to get rid of the president. >> is there any way, alex, to gage the public's appetite on this matter? because polls indicate it's not something on people's radar, that being the talk of impeachment. yes, having perhaps the president leave office, there are people who want to see him voted out of office but impeachment is another thing entirely. >> right, zaalex, it's really tough to see where people are on this. but it's tough to have people like john yarmuth, an ally of pelosi, to apply some pressure on her. and it's been on the outside to apply for impeachment but what is new is inside the caulk ourks people closer to her. not the kind of insurgent members you would expect but more allies of leadership.

and the fundamental premise that she's laid out is that this is bad politics. even if we impeach him in the house, he will go to the senate and be acquitted there and take that as a victory. but the issue is there's not a lot of data to base that on. data set of one, which is the bill clinton experience, and a lot of people make the argument, well, bill clinton was popular before impeachment started. it was over a personal matter. to say the least this is a totally different situation. donald trump is not popular, the people will not give him the benefit of the doubt. the issues are much more serious. so democrats arguing if twe shouldn't just move ahead with it. >> next week the white house judicials hold picks of annie donaldson and hope picks. who are they? >> i'm glad you asked about this because i feel like with this crazy washington "newsweek," this was buried.

but she's going to be a key witness for democrats. she's a top deputy for ex-white house counsel don mcgahn. she took copious notes throughout her time in the white house and robert mueller cited a lot of her notes in the court. including talking about the chaotic atmosphere in the west, right after special counsel mueller was appointed. so democrats really want to get inside the mind of trump. they want to see these notes. these are things they're seeking. but it probably looks like the white house will tell her not to comply, just like they did don mcgahn, so they will have to make a decision whether they're willing to hold her and hope hicks in context of congress. >> but the fact they have to be subpoenaed suggests they're not voluntarily testifying, right? >> that's exactly right. >> so this is trouble if the white house urges them, like you say don mcgahn, to not testify. >> right. and democrats are really frustrated that they haven't been able to poke holes in the president's stonewall, and this is another example. >> okay. do you know if she's going to testify, have you heard?

>> i haven't heard but i would guess even if she wanted to, she would be instructed not to. democrats are not expecting her to comply so it's probably going to have to go to the courts for a contempt vote. >> something to be continued. what we will follow certainly. thank you both so much. to delete or not delete, a firestorm for facebook after distorted videos of nancy pelosi spread across social media and never get taken down. so chantt slow turkey. along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. with chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting so when the day arrives, you'll be more ready to kiss cigarettes goodbye. when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. stop chantix and get help right away if you have changes in behavior or thinking, aggression, hostility, depressed mood, suicidal thoughts or actions, seizures, new or worse heart or blood vessel problems, sleepwalking, or life-threatening allergic and skin reactions. decrease alcohol use. use caution driving or operating machinery.

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i said one time who's in charge here? because you agree and all of a sudden something changes. >> i have been watching her for a long period of time. she's not the same person. she's lost it. >> now this time another temper tantrum. >> it was sad when i watched nancy all moving, the movement and the hands and the craziness. >> developing this hour, the feud between house speaker nancy pelosi and president trump reaching a new level. pelosi and the says trading jabs as he vows not to work with democrats until they drop their investigations into him. joining me now former california senator barbara boxer. always good to talk with a californian. i appreciate that, a fellow californian. first, did you see that farmer behind the president there. he just had to keep his face straight as he was listening to the president. i think he found that absolutely credulous. what about you, your reaction to this back and forth? >> well, i think trump has

picked the wrong target in nancy pelosi, whom i have known since the '80s. i served with her in the house. i have always supported her. i always found her to be underrated. i think people are finding out just how smart she is and how strategic she is and how tough she is. when the president, what did he call himself, the extremely stable genius, that's like a monty python movie. who runs around saying that they're extremely stable unless they're unstable? so let's put that aside. he picked the wrong person. i think the problem with trump is nancy's got a terrific platform and she's going to be out there every single day that she wants to be disproving all of the things he said. he says she's different. yeah, she's smarter, tougher, not one bit afraid of him. so he picked the wrong person, what can i tell you? >> well, i'm glad you're telling me. i'm curious, i have concerns though about what happens if the

president makes good on his word that he's not going to work with democrats until the investigations end. do you think there's really a chance that congress gets nothing done now through 2020? how can democrats deescalate this? >> number one, the house has passed 100 bills. the senate has taken up six or eight of them. and so the grim reaper, mitch mcconnell, over in the senate is killing everything the house does. and the house will continue to work. they will do and what infrastructure bill. and by the time it gets to months down the road, they're going to see who's standing up and fighting for them, for their health care, for their education, for their increase in the minimum wage. you go through the list, the bottom line is the office of the presidency has been declared vacant by donald trump. it's yet another reason to pursue him because as nancy pelosi has stated, he's walking

down the impeachment trail. >> but there's a new poll out there, i'm sure you're familiar with it, it shows more than half of americans want democrats to drop the russia matter, want them to move to to another issue, any other issue, you have 73% of democrats who want the congressional investigations to continue. do you think democrats are taking the right route with all of these investigations or should they be moving on? >> they have to do everything, alex. i have sworn to take that oath so many times. it means you have to do your work for the people, which is exactly what speaker pelosi is suggesting. they're going to keep working for the things that matter to the people. the reason they got back the house was because of that. and they must do investigations. this isn't some, you know, ego-producing activity. they must do oversight. so i think what speaker pelosi is suggesting is that her

committees do it all, and by the way, it's not just a matter of the russia investigation, it's a matter of obstruction of justice and now it's a matter of a cover-up as nancy pelosi has stated. it's a matter of obstruction of congress. if you read the constitution, it's a very slim little document. article one, the congress, they have a lot of power. and the bottom line is if they walk away from that, mathey're making a mistake. i think the polls will follow the truth, and i i think speaker pelosi is very aware of this and she's leading the house into a very good place, which is we do our work and we also watch the courts and the courts are starting to come in, in the right way. you've got 900 or more former federal prosecutors that say if it weren't for the fact that donald trump was president, he would be indicted. so this isn't a partisan matter.

and it's just a question of the republicans who are holding office to get a spine. i have never seen such spineless people in my life, and i'm disappointed because i worked with them for so many years. they never were like this. this is just horrible. it's like, they're the same way as the staff when the boss looks and says, aren't i wonderful? and aren't i genius? and aren't i calm? and they say yes, sir, yes, sir. >> that is absolutely remarkable, 100% there. the president put out a tweet you may have seen from this week saying it's not possible for democrats to investigate and legislate at the same time. but you were part of congress when they were investigating bill clinton for impeachment and legislating at the same time. what are the challenges in doing that? >> it's very hard. but you got to do it. because bill clinton understood that he had a responsibility under the constitution to work for the people regardless of what the republicans were

throwing at him. and we felt the same way. look, it was a horrible time. it definitely is a fact that impeachment sucks everything out of the room but people need to pay their bills. they still need housing and health care. they still need to send their kids to college. there are all kinds of foreign policy issues. things don't stop because there's impeachment. and there's a reason it was put into the constitution's very, very first article. it's very clear that it's part of the responsibility of the congress. but also it doesn't say when you're doing impeachment, don't do anything else. >> as the president now, as you know, gives his attorney general free sweeping powers to investigate the investigators, do you think there's a double standard here that these investigations must be accelerated but the ones into his administration must stop? >> i'm really glad brought up this issue of attorney general barr and the president deciding,

instead to go after russia and foreign influence on our elections and criminal activity regarding our elections, they're investigating our american heroes, law enforcement, fbi people, cia people, who put their life on the line. this is beyond the pale to me. we have a president and a attorney general who instead of looking at the enemy out there are looking at what they think is the enemy inside our country. it's paranoid, it's horrible, and i think, frankly, it's another impeachable offense. going after the men and women who put their lives on the line. >> senator barbara boxer, love to talk to you again. come see me. have a great holiday weekend. thank you. the road to miami and first democratic presidential debates whether sharing the stage with joe biden could hurt or help the other candidates. you wouldn't accept an incomplete job

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buttigieg held a early morning press conference. four are holding events in iowa, where the nomination process begins next february. nbc road warriors ali vitali and derrick hate are out on the trail for us this holiday weekend. we will begin with you, ali, following the gillibrand campaign in mason city, iowa. talk about turnout and whether it's been a good day for koccof and cupcakes. >> it's a good day for coffee and cupcakes if you're in iowa falls where gillibrand was here. she's pressing this morning and voters are happy to hear someone talking about. take a listen. >> i haven't heard anyone address family issues like she did here today. and i really liked it. rule america is losing people,

losing population, especially young people. and there's a lot of talk about economic development, how do we keep people, how do we bring people back? if you want economic development in rural america, provide health care for all, provide childcare for all, provide family leave for all, and it would be a huge boon to rural america. >> and this is an issue that gillibrand thinks a lot of the field is going to be talking about soon. she that to us in a gaggle after that event. one of the candidates who is also trying to find the best way to speak to rural voters in iowa is amy klobuchar, who will be at the same book store in a few hours. high-traffic day here and as you mentioned she's not the only one on the campaign trail in hawkeye state. elizabeth warren will also make stops here later this evening and through the weekend, alex. >> ali vitali, thank you for that. and let's go to vermont.

nbc's garrett haake is there for us. one thing, is it mount pellier? i want to throw a french flair on it. talk about where you are and the sanders campaign released this new video as, what, a strategy to deal with his falling poll numbers? >> let's go with mount pellier across the board. this video is interesting, it highlights his time as mare of nearby burlington, vermont. it tries to flesh out the candidate in three mentions. in 2016 he was very much a cause but a lot of people felt he didn't do good enough of a job of telling his own personal story and and how it relates to the issues he cares about as a candidate. he's trying to do more of that now and why they had kickoffs in places like chicago and brooklyn where he grew up and now here in vermont, the state that shaped his political career. the other reason they're doing this, of course, this is what i call a short of force rally. the crowd is just starting to

show up here but this is a town of 8,000 people. my guess looking down the line is they could have close to 5,000 people here at this rally. as polls have shown bernie sanders losing some ground to joe biden, including the new monmouth poll that has him losing by almost 20 points nationwide, the sanders campaign is arguably the one campaign who can snap its fingers and draw kmated crowd like he's expected to have today. and that show of force is important. i would say the 2 1/2, second and a half reason to have this event, is right next door to new hampshire, a state where sanders crushed hillary clinton in 2016 but where he's in a real fight in 2020. it's hard to see if there's not a must-win state for new hampshire, you have to think new hampshire is it. just the bleed-over from neighboring vermont into new hampshire could give him a boost where i think he has to do well. >> garrett haake p. great perspective there from mt. pellier. i should have asked that question a long time ago. i appreciate it.

the new national poll in the democratic field has joe biden's lead growing, well ahead of bernie sanders, who is at 15%. two other senators making gains as well is kamala harris, elizabeth warren, 11 and 10 points reinfectively. joining me now former pennsylvania governor ed rendell, ale holmes, former speechwriter for then-snad leader bill frist. welcome to all of you on this holiday weekend. governor, to you first, you made no bones about the fact you're a joe biden supporter. if you're joe biden and you're maintaining a nearly 20-point lead on your closest competitor this weekend, what is your mentality and approach right now? >> that it's a long, long road ahead. with that type of lead you have to try to avoid making any big mistakes. if joe biden can go through the next 12, 13 months without making any major mistakes, i think he's the nominee. it's as simple as that.

>> he starts out in front and stays out in front with no mistakes in your mind? >> wire to wire. >> "vanity fair" reporting on the republican efforts to take down joe biden, the 2020 candidate most feared by president donald trump and republican insiders working to re-elect him is that article. are they jumping ahead here though? we are such an early stage in this race. the strategy behind going full throttle on takedown effort right now is what? >> well, i think the strategy that you're seeing play out is there are so many years of records for joe biden to go through, voting records, his positions for the many years he's been in public office. so i think the gop is smart to get a jump on this opposition research, just given the sheer volume of what they have to work with. i think i will be interested to see how this plays out among democrats and whether or not these republicans release any of these things. talking to some of the more progressive folks, they're

looking at his past voting instances in the criminal justice reform arena, for example, and some of those tough-on-crime decisions that were made in the '90s and the trajectory for those type of things is very different now. criminal justice reform is something both parties have come together on. i think you may see some of the liberal voters look at some of these past voting records and say, hey, is this the guy for the moment right now? so i don't think it's premature but i do think at this point i do think joe biden is probably the strongest candidate on the dems side who could possibly take some of the blue collar states away from president trump. >> amy, do you think republicans should be going after joe biden right now? >> well, the rule in politics is define your opponent before they can define themselves. so they are digging out after joe biden. but i would also bring up a poll in iowa s gravis has biden and bernie sanders tied in iowa, which would be kicking off the primary season.

i'm not so sure joe biden is sitting in such a comfortable seat. remember, back in 2016 who would have thought that bernie sanders would be giving hillary clinton a run for the money? he was a self-described socialist. he's actually independent who caucuses with democrats, and the very fact that he's in contention now in 2020 is because of his dark horse race in 2016. so as the governor says, it is a long road ahead. i would also cast back to 2008, again, who would have thought a freshman senator from illinois named, as he said, barack hussein obama, would end up becoming the nominee and then the president. >> governor, do you want to respond to what amy said and lauren's point joe biden does have a pretty lengthy record to examine. >> yeah, there's no question about it. but the record cuts both ways. i've heard a lot about problems with the crime bill, and there were problems and joe biden admitted those problems. but the crime bill actually passed an assault weapons ban.

it passed a ban on high-capacity magazines, something progressives die for. we would give our right arm for an assault weapons ban on high-capacity magazines. so i think joe biden has a terrific record, a terrific record if you look at the totality of his career. he has nothing to apologize for. in fact, there wouldn't be an aca without joe biden. there wouldn't be an economic stimulus without joe biden. >> what about the first round of debates, governor, which are just a little more than a month out, month and a day specifically? it's increasingly likely we will see 20 candidates taking the stage, that is the maximum set by the dnc's new rules. what is your take on how this whole thing is shaking out? do you think the dnc set the bar for qualifying too low? >> no, look, given what's happened before, rick santorum wound up winning iowa and actually in 2008 coming very close -- in 2012 coming very

close to being the nominee, and this time back in the equivalent year, rick santorum would not have been able to get into a debate if you set the bar too high. i think the bar is set right. it will be tough with two debates with ten candidates each, that's usually about ten minutes for each candidate. it's going to be tough to get a feel for a candidate. i think the debates will be important as the field begins to whittle down. >> you don't worry it's counterproductive since you have the majority of the candidates right around 1% right now? certainly under 2%. you don't think time -- you think timing wise it's okay because it's early enough? >> sure, it's june of the year before. it's early enough. a candidate like amy klobuchar, who i think given her positions on issues, is very well suited to be the candidate for the fall. amy klobuchar suffers from the fact not a lot of people know who she is.

maybe in the debate they will begin to focus on an amy club char klobuchar or pete buttigieg. i think it's perfect right now that the field will whittle out as candidates start to drop off. >> and two republicans here on the panel, ladies, and if you look at how these stages will be presented for the debates, 10-1, 10-0, that's a lot of candidates. do you think that helps the republicans or hurts the republicans to have this kind of conversation when the only other conversation being had on the republican side surrounds donald trump? lauren, you first. >> well, it's just so reminiscent of 2016. i think you will see a lot of dem-party inviting about who's in which debate. republicans got a lot of criticism four what they called the kiddie table debates or debates for the candidates pulling left. but i think overall i think that republicans are helped by the fact that they do have one candidate to focus on. yes, there are challengers. president governor weld i know

and there's been talk about justin amash coming in as a libertarian candidate. but all of the talk on the left, i think all of the infighting, you know, i think it could serve to benefit republicans but i also think it's a little too early to know. >> amy, your thoughts on the question. >> i would agree with that, that if democrats are fighting each other, they're not fighting president trump. i would also suggest that president trump has no problem getting headlines. >> yeah, point well taken. all three of you have a great holiday weekend. thank you so much for joining me. would mueller testifying to congress behind closed doors lose some of its punch? i will ask that of a democratic leader next. ...depend® silhouette™ briefs feature maximum absorbency, beautiful colors and an improved fit for a sleek design and personal style. life's better when you're in it. be there with depend®. ♪

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members, only 60 say they have read the full report. joining me now is democratic congressman from california john mar gendy, member of the arms services committee and frequent guest on the broadcast. congressman, thank you for joining me, particularly on a holiday here. we just heard congressman nadler say the special counsel wants to testify behind closed doors except for his opening statement. are you at all concerned that his testimony could lose its potential impact by being behind closed doors? >> absolutely. this man has to testify publicly. nearly two years of investigation, an extremely important moment in our nation's history. he cannot hide. we cannot allow him to hide. he must testify publicly. he needs to look right into that camera and tell the american people what he found. it cannot be any other way. we have to push back. if he wants to be in private, i'm sorry, mr. mueller, this is public. this is about our nation. you cannot testify privately. you're going to have to do it

publicly period, end of discussion. >> if you were able to question him, what would be the first question you want to ask? >> i would probably want to go into the overall issue of the ten issue that's he found where there were potential obstruction of justice, and then drill down on one or two of those as to the evidence behind those particular or that particular obstruction case. and go from there and see what's happening. beyond that, beyond his testimony, the committee has to have the underlying details, the evidence. that has to be out there. frankly, all of that should be public except where there may be some intelligence issues as well as the question of the grand jury testimony, which could be made public if the court were to allow it. >> so specifically to those ten instances of obstruction that you're specifying there, mueller in his report explains he just couldn't bring any charges against trump on obstruction

because of the opinion of the office of legal counsel. so does that still remain? would that be he would be unable to pursue more details or share more details in front of a committee hearing like that? >> no. let the lawyers lawyer up. but really this is about the american public getting information on one of the most important issues that's happened in this nation over the last several decades. a president with information that he has obstructed justice or may have obstructed justice ten times, not once, not twice, ten times. this is a fundamental question. and i'm sorry here -- i'm not sorry at all, i'm absolutely agitated about the notion that this might be done privately. >> so you're saying that robert mueller, you believe, said he would unable to recommend charges on obstruction merely because he is the sitting president of the united states?

>> well, this is an interesting question. i don't -- the constitution here doesn't say anything at all about a president being indicted or not being indicted. it deals with the question of impeachment. if you look at it, we could have a president indicted, could have him found guilty and still be in office, unless the congress and the senate decide to impeach that person. this is, in my view, that legal issue at the department of justice is rather far-fetched because there's nothing in the constitution about whether you could or could not indict a president, have a trial, find guilty or innocent. it's the impeachment issue that -- it's the only way to remove a president from office. >> there is a new article in "the atlantic" and it argues that the house has a duty to begin impeachment inquiries because they swore an oath to defend the constitution that you were citing here. democrats have criticized republicans, failing to hold the president accountable but by not holding impeachment proceedings, aren't democrats just as guilty?

>> well, we may have to go that way. i've always wanted to have the hearings, get mueller out there, get the information out there, and then proceed based upon what those hearings would discover and make public. it may very well be given the fact that the president is stonewalling and covering up with his refusal to allow any of the people in the administration to testify and to obey the subpoenas that have been duly -- excuse me, dutifully -- the subpoenas that have been offered and sent forward by the committees, that's a stonewalling. and it is also a cover-up. and so let's be real here. we may have to go to the inquiry route simply to increase and provide the authorization for those folks to come in regardless of what the president says. >> well, i always appreciate you keeping it real with me,

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google and twitter have maintained they are not the arbiters of truth. there may be bad stuff on the internet and they'll take action for some content but they were willing to warners it was fake and submit it to fact-checkers but it wouldn't remove it entirely because it was someone else's opinion. and there are two videos that we're talking about. there is one that is a super cut of house speaker pelosi saying things looking like she's stammering and there is another one slowed down that makes her lookin even re a look inebriated with her voice changed and despite that reporters and those of "the washington post" pointed out this is fake. >> and does facebook have any legal responsibility here to take down this fake video? maybe they could get sued over this. >> i think, when i read "the washington post" reporting, it was really interesting to see

the way three different social media outlets responded. youtube said we identify this as false and we took it down. twitter said we don't take down inaccurate political information or speech unless it impacts an election or is designed to suppress voting which is a curious middle ground. but facebook seemed to be the most egregious because it said, listen, we concluded it is fake but that led us to do to reduce it on people's news feeds. i think that is an indefensible position and to answer your question, i think they do have legal exposure as a result of that. if you have concluded its fake, i'm not quite sure why you're next statement is tlnt we prohibit it and ban it and do everything we can to purge it from our platform. i think what all of this highlights, alex, is the absolute need, i'm sorry to say, for federal regulation as much as that makes some people bristle.

the disparity of the way that social platforms are treating what is acknowledged to be false information highlighted the need for government to get involved. >> and facebook vice president for counter-terrorism said the company fact-checkers rated it false but they are only going to reduce the distribution. that is the best they could do. how serious of a problem is this on social media in general and do you agree with their stance? >> right, it is a serious problem. and this is an approach that facebook has taken and many other context, not just with respect to the video from speaker pelosi. because facebook maintains it shouldn't take it down. it is one person's opinion to compress this thing. but lawmakers around the world simply haven't been convinced of this approach. we've heard from u.s. lawmakers who reacted to the video of speaker pelosi saying they were just completely shocked that it would take facebook this long to look into the matter and do the fact check and delete it and we've heard from regulators

around the world looking into new laws to force companies to take action against disinformation or other forms of abuse of content and they could face fines if they don't take action against this sort of thing. that is the idea put up for consideration in the united kingdom and in france and australia. so there is a global concern that the companies haven't found the right balance between permitting free speech, promoting free speech and take down the worst stuff from the internet. >> i had a few more questions but i'm out of time. tony and glenn, good to see you both. the miracle in maui. a hikers two and a half week long nightmare and her dramatic rescue. long nightmare and her dramatic rescue balanced nutrition for strength and energy! whoo-hoo! great-tasting ensure. with nine grams of protein and twenty-six vitamins and minerals. ensure, for strength and energy. and twenty-six vitamins and minerals. introducing miracle-gro's next big thing: performance organics. this new organic collection of soil and plant food

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we reached the top of the hour which means i'm out of time. i'm alex witt and i'll see you tomorrow. but up next is kendris gibson. take it away my friend. >> it is apagz how four hours of your day flies by. >> no comment. >> good day, i'm kendris gibson at new york city. president trump -- on the state visit to japan. and back at home, his feud with the speaker of the house continues to escalate and now another republican is calling for impeachment. i'll talk to him ahead in this hour.