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constitutionally. and three, attorney general barr did not accurately portray the mueller report. the case for impeachment hearings just got a lot stronger that with pressure building for house democrats to act is impeachment this summer now inevitab inevitable. it is "meet the press daily." we heard the personal counsel's voice, a voice that we have nod heart since he testified as an fbi director. but he just increased the odds that impeachment may happen. he spoke for the first time since being named special counsel. that the president has been exonerated of obstruction of justice. >> if we had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime we would have said so. we did not, however, make a

determination as to whether or not the president did commit a crime. >> mueller said he could not have charged president trump with a crime even if he wanted to. >> under long standing department policy, a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. that is unconstitutional. even if the charge is kept under seal and middle from public view, that is also impossible. charging him with a crime is not something that we could do. the opinion says that the constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting president of wrong doing. it would be unfair to potentially accuse someone of a crime when there can be no court resolution of the actual charge.

>> well the house speaker, nancy pelosi showed to continue investigating the president but would not use impeachment. >> we're litigating and we're going to as we go down the path make a decision based on the strongest possible indication to get the best results for the american people. >> and the house judiciary committee jerry nadler also shied away from caller for one. >> congress to refond to the crimes, lies, and other wrong doing of president trump. we will do so. make no mistake, no one not even the president of the united states, is above the law. well, but folks, make no mistake about this, that impeachment inquiry may now be inevitable.

it's clear that robert mueller believed he was essentially referring his report to congress. he is the only member of congress from either party to lay out a case to his own constituents as he did yesterday at this townhall as to why there there should be impeachment. and today he said "the ball is in our court, congress." mueller's remarks moved two more presidential candidates into the "impeachment camp." and i will speak to senator mark warner and congressman eric swalwell about with whether or not today changed they're minds. first i want to kacie hunt. all right, i think nancy pelosi is trying to buy enough time to say too close to the presidential election, can't do

impeachment. i think a lot of people view that as the calendar, did mueller change her calculus? >> i think mueller put more pressure on her. i think the pressure is building. you saw that with the presidential candidates. we won't know for sure unless next week, but nancy pelosi is reflecting the reality of her caucus. they may be saying impeachment more loudly. he is went on to talk about there are 40 or so that said they want to proceed to an impeachment inquirely. >> does the speaker's office acknowledge that they have to bring some clarity to what they're doing? rather, if you're not going to impeach what are you going?

he is used a phrase that feels like a phrase that a republican might throw back to her face. the last two are litigating. you know is it the tax returns, is it this what do you want? what are they supposed to get at? do they know if they're not going to do impeachment they have to bring clarity. >> i think there is a difference, both of those things are true, but i think that what you're points to is one of the side effects of their strategy. he is being very careful he is is worried how everything is happening in the house. that is different for them to wrap their mind around. >> that's reegt, it is like a

spaghetti subpoena. >> i think the question is do they start to feel overwhelming. is the court acting fast enough that they have results to point to? >>ly let you go, we have to talk to these members of congress. a couple of them that will go on the record. >> good to see you, chuck. >> with me now is one of the congressman that will go on the record here. he is also running for president, he is, i guess, you could say a stake holder here in this situation. congressman, you and i are on together, i heard you earlier, you have, do you -- it doesn't sound like you believe robert mueller's report was a referral to congress, or do you? >> i do, but chuck, no one will question my vigor in holding the

president accountable, but i want to get it right, we only get one shot at it, prepare for impeachment. let's have the special council testify publicly. let's have don mcgahn come in and build the case that way. get more republicans, i'm the only candidate that has to try the case, so i want to make sure that i'm doing all i can ans with go down this road. >> i want to talk about the lone republican that is in favor of the process. i'm curious of your reaction to it. >> to me the conduct was impeachab impeachable, so the question is do you them move forward with impeachment proceedings? my biggest concern, and i thought about this for a long time, i spent a month reviewing, analyzing, and thinking about it. i'm concerned that we have

gotten to the point where impeachment may never be used in any circumstance. i think that is a greater risk than the risk that it will be used too often. >> congressman, your reaction to that? >> i agree with him, chuck. let me use an analogy as a father of a 2-year-old and a 7 month old. when my 2-year-old misbehaves, i know is uncomfortable to discipline him but if i don't he will get worse and his 7 month old little sister will look at that as the future standard of conduct. we're in a position where he could do better if we impeached him, and we cannot don't that. he said the election would be rigged and that got in the heads of the obama administration and they didn't want to tell the world that the russians were rigging the election and they

heldbinary. >> in five year social security it harder to opening an inquiry? >> yeah, i do, i think they understand this is a lawless president that left us with no other course of action. this is the most extreme remedy that the constitution giving the congress, the voters have the first right to elect a president. we put a balance of power on with the abuse of tlexs. we have tried to use subpoenas and court fights to win and he is just not obeying. i want to make sure we get it right. >> i'm curious, i want to play for you stop number three for mueller on barr. i guessing this is part of the reason you're calling for the

impeachment of a trump administration official right now. let's listen to mr. mueller and i will get you on the other side. >> at one point in time i requested portions of the report be released, the attorney general preferred to make the entire preport public all at once. we appreciate he made the report largely public, and i do not question his good faith in that decision. >> he was not happy about the other decisions there do you believe that bill barr intentionally misled us? >> yes, he prejudged it when he said that essentially a president should be above the law. but he mischaracterized the

investigation. more importantly as far as legally he refused to comply with the congressional subpoena. i see him as a front door obstructer. it would send a mess thaage tha one is above the law. >> are you going to call for that? >> i have. i called for it two weeks ago. as well as mnuchin. the law is very clear on that, we have to start having consequences for these lawbreake lawbreakers. >> congressman swalwell, with me now is senator mark warner. and he joins me now, you have been a preacher of caution throughout this. mueller today, did it do you now

look at the mueller report as a direct referral to congress, which was the intent of the report, which wasn't it for many of us in the last few months. >> i'm not sure i could go that for far, i would clearly though say that there is no way this white house can continue to claim that the mueller report ch exonerated him. one was that mueller did not exonerate the president. he was clear about that. he made that referral to congress. and the other which is where he started and ended his comments, russia attacked our democracy. what i hope we agree on is even if we don't agee on all of the components of what trump did or

didn't do, let's make sure they don't do it again in 2020 and that means you have to pass an election security bill. let's put guard rails anderson facebook, and even if 140 contacts between russians and trump officials didn't reach a level of conspiracy, let's, on a going forward basis make sure that if a foreign government or foreign agents try to interfere there is an affirmative obligation to tell the fbi. >> where are these bills. for the life of me i don't understand, if you read the d k the declinations. mueller is saying the laws were ambiguous.

essentially not written for the modern era, it was not easy to figure out how do you price this and figure this, i don't understand where all of the legislation is. how do we make everyone vote on this? where is it. >> i can't speak to the house, i can speak to what i'm doing in the senate. i have the fire act that would require that if you're contacted by a foreign agent of a foreign government and they offer you information you have to report it to law enforcement. i have the secure elections act. that would put in strict security around our electoral system, and i have three or four pieces of legislation around social media that would start to put guard rails around the facebooks and the googles and the twitters because we're seeing what they did in 2016.

but we're seeing not even what russians did, but what others did just last week with a video of speaker pelosi, and that is just, that is yesterday's technology, wait until you see the bad guys use deep fake technology, your face and your voice on a body that has nothing to do with you and the ramifications of that are huge skbrp. >> what is your bar for impeachment. i know you're a potential juror, and don't use that as a cop out here pip would like to know what is your bar for seeing an inquiry opened? >> i think speaker pelosi in a very challenging environment has don't exactly right thing. let's continue to get more information out. one of the reasons is as someone who reviewed the mueller report i wish more americans would review it, and as more data points come out, as he is saish

today, everything is on the table. i will default to that excuse that the house would have to launch the investigation, but i think pelosi navigated this pretty good to far. >> let me ask it this way, is will going to be easier to defend making the decision to open an impeachment inquiry in five years or harder. >> i don't think we know at this moment in time. if we get more information that will be clearer. but as you just said with eric, your last guest, the idea that trump may want to lure into this back and forth, i don't know where the american people are yet at this point. >> what about the issue of bill

barr and impeaching him? as that popped up in your mind? >> i voted against bill barr. i thought maybe being an establishment guy he would do the right thing. he has not done right thing. he acted simply as a lawyer for trump, i think he should resign. i have been bitterly disappointed on how badly he has done as attorney general. i tried to put a marker down on this, i will have their back, i don't want a politicized attorney general deciding what part of the russian investigation intelligence ought to be released because i fear, frankly, for the men and women that work for our intelligence

community that they might politicize that intelligence. >> thank you, you're still doing your investigation. we look forward to those reports. >> before the fourth of july, let's see them before the fourth, will ya? >> thank you, chuck. >> the pressure for impeachment is only build booing, it is political pressure. and what robert mueller said versus what attorney general barr says that mueller said. is that net carbs or total?... eh, not enough fiber... chocolate would be good... snacking should be sweet and simple. the delicious taste of glucerna gives you the sweetness you crave while helping you manage your blood sugar.

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speak a lot to pelosi, and i know you know how they think on this. the pressure has been increased. essentially a long time republican, is saying -- he didn't say it was a report to congress. >> i have admired her leadership skills for a long time. i think he is is continuing to do what he is does best. letting public opinion build, keep her caucus together. they had two great court victories and opening the doors of inform you. >> if there was a majority for

impeachment would he is already be for it? in her caucus? if tr is -- he is is speaking for the majority, it is a silent majority but it is there. >> that's fair, but i think that he is has the virtue of taking the long view on this and having had historical witnessed how impeachments playout. i think unless you continue to build the public case, it is very difficult to bring the american people along with you. that being said, it will be a political problem if they don't exercise their authority, so i think this is a dynamic situation. i think this is na plan and they're following it and it is driving donald trump crazy. >> what will it be like when

they come back? >> i think speaker pelosi wants to exhaust every option available. there is a report brewing. he basically described it as a dead end. you can't charge him with a crime, and he says it is a remedy obviously a reference to speaker pelosi. >> robert mueller decided the most important sentence, and then refers to everything that mooul der and said. he amplified that for a reason.

is this. >> you might as well say it. >> they are basically leaving a footprint. i put directional signs up in the woods, you're not lost and confused, you have a path way you can follow. that is what i mean by building a public case. what if he testifies in front of the how judiciary reason. he saw his work being completely distorted by this president and his without and his attorney

dprl. he wants to make sure the work was being done on it's own and not distorted. he basically committed a crime. >> the phrase is obstruction of justice. it is going down memory lane with a former house judiciary committee and what they once said about obstruction of justice when talking about bill clinton. >> we believe he assaulting our legal system in every way. let it be said that any president that cheats our institutions shall be impeached. >> you don't have to go lie for me for it to be a crime. you judge people if you determine he committed the crime of emergency, and you determine that he committed the crime of obstruction of justice, based on the president or the senate, i

think you would have a hard time says under the situation in this case that that is not a high crime. >> if we go down this road, i think the -- this is where i think politically democrats are going to basically put the onus to protect republicans. >> democrats tend to be more worried aboutage e agngering vo outside of the base. that is how the clinton impeachment unfolded and how caution and skeptical they're being. and i think, look, it will be at the end of this, it is a cataclysmic moment. it could be just a series of events, and again i expect that straw that breaks the camels

back will have the poles at 57%. >> i think his fingertip is on the important point. how the numbers begin to unfold now that you have this public visual narrative of mueller that could be replayed and people can hear. it is not something they have to read. that does create an impression for folks and people get a different opinion. that is not an incentive at this point, if it were, they would be there already. >> i feel like what is missing is that republicans are good at making democrats vote. make them own something. there is make them vote on russian interference. it seems to be that strategy is

not implemented. >> hr 1 got buried, and most democrats know that is a fact. >> you know, i think that there have been efforts to push republicans to take a side. i think to an astonishing dismay, they have been in lock step with this president. even as their own polls plummet, it was clear what was going to happen. we'll see as we get close toert 2020 election. the other thing they want to raise here is the more that we keep this out there and we know that other things are going to

drop. >> you are putting things out that the trump administration is trying to step on. this story will change. what we're talking about today will change. >> i have to pause it here because i'm running way over. thank you for sticking around, up ahead, the list of 2020 candidates calling for impeachment is growing. how attorney general barr did not accurately represent the mueller report. we have it on videotape. report we have it on videotape. in a flash flood. after about five hours, a lot of phone calls, they sent a helicopter, picked me up to safety. (vo) the network more people rely on, gives you more. like big savings on our best phones when you switch. that's verizon. so, every day, we put our latest technology and unrivaled network to work. the united states postal service makes more

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welcome back tonight, two more presidential candidates are in support of opening impeachment proceedings. corey booker and kristin gillibrand said congress should begin an impeachment inquiry and they're not the only two candidates escalating their rhetoric. biden's came pain agreed that no would relish the impeachment process but it may be unavoidable. now here is what buttiegeig said

today. >> it will go to congress to decide whether or not to charge the president with a high crime in is as lose to a referral for impeachment as you can get. >> the number of those supporting impeachment are certainly growing. i think we're up to four or fife, we'll be back with more "meet the press daily" after this. e press daily" after this (gasp) (singsong) budget meeting! sweet.

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>> they did not find any evidence of the trump campaign con fired or coordinated with the russian government in these hacking operations. in other words, there was no evidence of the trump campaign collusion. >> so to be clear, he said very straightforward that there was no evidence of collusion in the special counsel's report. here is what special counsel said on that subject today. >> the first volume details numerous efforts from russia to influence the election. this volume includes a discussion of the trump campaign's response to this activity and our conclusion that there was insufficient evidence to charge a broader conspiracy. it is a big difference between

no evidence and insufficient evidence. go read it yourself, folks, they didn't bring charges because of the laws themselves or how out of date and ambiguous they are. here is the attorney general last month. >> after reviewing the facts and the legal theories, and in consultation with the office of legal counctsel and other department lawyers, we concluded that evidence developed by the special county -- council is not sufficient to establish the president committed the offense. >> mueller is not saying that. >> if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said to. we did not, however, make a

determination as to whether or not the president committed a crime. >> the other thing about him speaking was that it felt like a total rebuttal. >> the barr comment reminds me of the collusion question. paul manafort was sharing polling data with a known russian agent about the strategy to win democratic voters in the midwest including bernie sanders supporters which we know was very successful. that may not reach the bar for criminal conspiracy, it sounds like collusion. >> bob mueller said you know, look, there, he has not been challenged with a crime.

people are innocent until proven guilty, but insufficient evidence, and when you read part one that matches essentially why they declined to prosecute. the laws didn't fite very well th that. >> that was incredibly important. they were talking about the russian efforts to impact the election. he is telling everyone that we should care about this. we should care about this because then he went on to talk about how when individuals try to obstruct an investigation to determine the extent of russian efforts to impact or election, that is dangerous for our country. he is doing that for a reason. he is leaving bread crumbs for

people. i didn't say he was guilty of obstruction of justice because i'm restricted from doing that, however if he was not guilty i would have said that -- here to for. >> the president, when he now say russian hoax, he is helping them perpetrate this. that is siding with the enmy. -- enemy. >> imagine this, chuck, a month ago if what we saw today was the first thing we saw. we would be in a very different space in this conversation about mueller which is why barr got out in front about this. >> i want to play the third, it

is how bill barr interpreted it. this is hour how bill barr last month on what mueller said on his decision not to charge the president is a crime. >> on march 5th we asked them about the olc opinion and whether or not he was taking a position that he would have found a crime but for the existence of the olc opinion. and he made it very clear that that was not his position. he was not saying that butt for the olc opinion he would have found a crime. but today he said it wasn't even an option because of a ruling by the justice department's office

of legal counsel. >> under long standing department policy, a president so that was the justice department policy. those are the principals that we cooperated and we determined that we would not reach a determination about whether or not the president committed a crime. that is the office's final position and we will not comment on any other conclusions or hypotheticals about the president. >> interestingly enough, bill barr referred to the olc memo as legal opinion. we reviewed legal opinions there. he didn't technically disagree with mueller, but boy you to parse those words carefully.

>> and it is clear that mueller saw it as an ironclad roadblock. that even if he found it he would not be able to say it outloud. >> he said it would have been uncushional. he could not do it, could not even accuse him of this. >> again, i get the outthere -- that part of what he was saying, i just didn't feel it. i got the constitutional idea of it, but i just wonder if you came out and said but for, how much would that have changed the conversation around impeachment. >> they're beating up on barr, look, i have looked, barr was careful in his senate testimony not to fully -- i think he could get out of a perjury trap.

if that were under oath i think he would have a bigger problem. is that where they exert their energy? >> if they go after barr, it is simple lay vehicle to get to the president and what doors that could open. i think the problem with barr is maybe he did not perjer himself, but he did lie and he is not operating at an attorney general, he is operating at the president's attorney, which is a mistake for the country. can the president be prosecuted? the department of justice said no. mueller said no, bill barr -- apparently he thinks so. we'll talk to a constitutional expert about it. that is next. t. that is next hey there people eligible for medicare.

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obstruction charge if he had wanted to, if you were to take them both at face value at what they said. what say you? >> on the question of the constitutionality of the indicting the sitting president, it's an open question. the constitution doesn't give us a clear answer and well respected academics and lawyers have taken opposing positions on this. what robert mueller has done is to just take for granted olc's position which is a xuconsisten one. the memo saying just that. a sitting president can't be as a matter of constitutional law be indicted while he's in office. >> were you surprised that robert mueller said even a sealed indictment? >> i'm not surprised. i think that's consistent with the olc memos as written. and that's because there is first a concern about the given powers of a president being interfeared with. the question is how can a

president carry out his responsibilities to the nation while something like that is going on? if you indict the president and hide it, there is still a risk that something like that will leak out and then hang over a sitting president. >> robert mueller doing what he did today, he didn't have to do that. he could have issued statement. do you see -- should it be viewed he was sending a message to congress? >> i think he was. he wanted to clear the air. i think that he did feel that aging bars r barr's initial presentation of his investigations work was highly misleading. we saw that if the letters, the correspondence. >> is there anything illegal about being misleading? >> i don't think there is. no. >> i know a lot of people say, yeah, he legally could mislead. >> he can mislead. he can spin the investigation. unless he hide under oath zbhchlt right. which is why i check the

congressional testimony to see how he characterized things this versus there. he seemed to be careful in that. is it this a regulation that gets rewritten yet again? every time we run up into this issue, everybody realizes, well, that didn't -- that's not quite right. that wasn't probably the intent. where should this go from here? >> i'm not sure there's a -- there is much of a movement to rewrite the regulations. i think certainly the movement to protect the president and streamline the procedures, i think the people who were invested in that project are fairly happy with how things have gone. i think that on the question of whether you can indict a sitting president, that question is an open one. and one thing i would point out is historically, it is interesting to note that the doj has taken opposing positions from the last couple of independent or special counsel's. both ken starr and the watergate

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that led the mission that got osama bin laden. i also have "the washington post" paul kanen and download it now wherever you get your podcast. that's all we have for now. "the beat" starts right now zbhch. >> good evening, chuck. i'm reporting on a historic night. may 29th, 2019. this is the day that bob mueller broke his silence and resigned his office as the most consequential special counsel in a generation. mueller speaking publicly for the first time today in more than two years after 37 indictments, guilty pleas from five trump aides, a 448 page report all against the backdrop of intense obstruction of his probe and wider attacks on the justice department. some of that obstruction was charged by mueller himself. some was referred out to other prosecutors in case that's we know are still open. and tonight i can tell you some of the potential obstruction was not charge at all because as bob