all right. that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. i'm phillip mena. it is time for "alex witt." >> thank you. welcome to weekends with alex witt. a gunman leaves 12 dead. officers take action. >> we were able to locate the floor in which the suspect was

committing his crimes. >> he seemed like a nice guy. he introduced himself when we first moved in. >> how police were able to keep that gunman from wounding more. tariffs threat. what the president ignored before presepti-sepsenting his . we begin with the breaking news on that mass shooting in virginia beach. 12 people are dead. at least four others wounded. the suspect was killed. it all unfolded yesterday when a long time city employee walked into the municipal building and opened fire. a federal law enforcement analyst says his name is dewayne craddock. police recovered a .45-caliber handgun and empty magazines. here is what happened when the police officers confronted the gunman. >> engaged with the suspect and

i can tell you that it was a long gun battle between those four officers and that suspect. even though he was involved in a long-term moving gun battle with the officers. when he went down, they did what cops do. they rendered first aid to the individual. >> families are expected to return to the unification center this morning for information on their loved ones. nbc's ron allen is covering the story from virginia beach. ron, somber good morning to you on this saturday. what all can you tell us about this and has everybody been identified? have all of the families been notified at this point? >> reporter: we don't know about that, alex. at this point, we imagine most of the people identified. families have been notified. we have to the been publicly told who the victims are. the authorities here interestingly are not naming the suspect. they are calling him the suspect

because they don't want to focus attention on the individual who carried out the heinous act. it was 4:00 in the afternoon. this is the campus of the city buildings. the building behind me there. it is three stories tall. it is a big building. there is open access to it. because the gunman was a city employee, people probably recognized him and saw him coming in. there's no indication he was covered in any sort of military garb or anything or mask or anything else we heard in other situations like this. he apparently just opened fire. there were bodies found on all three floors of the building. as you heard the police chief or mayor say this gun battle went on for some time. he had additional magazines which carry about 12 to 15 rounds. there are god knows how many spent cartridges throughout the building. the police engaged him quickly. four officers are trained to do

so. they encountered him and engaged him and took him down. we heard horror stories of the workers in the building at the time. barricading themselves in place and hunk ering down. here is what they had to say. >> we heard a shooting. we didn't think it was at the courthouse because it was muffled. >> we put the desk against the door. we didn't know if they were coming in or anything. >> a lady on the stairs unconscious. blood on her face and stairway and blood everywhere. we didn't know what happened. somebody went upstairs and came back out and said get out of the build ing. >> that could have been me or my girlfriend. >> it is emotional to you. >> he seemed like a nice guy. he introduced himself when we first moved in. that's crazy.

>> reporter: it is absolutely just insane. again, it happened again and again and again here in america. another community trying to understand why. of course, there's never a real logical or rational explanation. that is what people are trying to understand. a lot of people apparently knew the gunman. he was a city worker. this is a familiar place. it was 4:00 on a workday. people were just trying to head into their weekend and all of a sudden out of nowhere this happens. now the search for the answer to the question of why would this happen. now again, peopolice are trying identify the victims and notify families and get their hands around this. alex. >> ron, will there be updates from police throughout the day? when are you expecting to hear from helthem? >> reporter: the next one in a couple of hours. we expect to hear from them throughout the day. there is still an active crime

scene today. there are a number of police vehicles behind the trees. it looks like a massive building they are going through. a there are police and fbi at the suspect's home. very detailed thorough investigation going on in a number of places around the town to understand who this individual was and why he would have done this. of course, they are going overall of the computer devices and mobile devices. talking to friends and coworkers. a massive search to understand this elusive question of why some individual, the suspect as they call him, would do something like this. >> i have to tell you, good luck in getting answers to why. it never makes sense. thank you, ron allen. i know we will see you throughout the day. we are joined by shawn henry. thank you for taking time to chat with us about this again.

will they get an answer to why this happened? is there a way to look at somebody's computer profile or any way to get a sense this explains it? is there ever a fully comprehensive and satisfying answer to that question? >> alex, certainly on the back side here as ron just described the searches of the subject's home, his vehicle and social media, looking at anytime of tweets he may have put out or documentation they may uncover where he described what caused him to take these actions. on the back side of that, it will be a long drawn out process. the chief of police in virginia beach described the subject as being a disgruntled employee. that takes us to the front side. were there signs in advance that might have provided co-workers

or employer or others or some indication that this person was engaged or going to engage in this type of behavior? was he isolated? did he make statements to other people at his place of employment? did he mention anything to family members or friends? on the back side of these things, we want to piece this together and find out what the motivation was, but more importantly, how do we learn from this to determine what to look for in advance to prevent these workplace incidents. alex. >> shawn, it was reported four police officers got there and engaged the shooter when they arrived. the police chief attributed that to preventing any additional injuries or deaths. overall, the frequency of the mass shootings from out of the blue, how has law enforcement gotten better of handling active shooter situations? >> this has been something that really over the last decade or

so had been changes in law enforcement and tactics and techniq techniques. law enforcement, when there is an armed subject, barricaded, they take a methodical approach. a slow, deliberate clear. you use shields and long guns. officers are taking protective measures. it is most important to get to the threat and eliminate the threat and neutralize the threat. officers place themselves in harm's way. they run past open doors or going toward the sounds of the shoots. most important objective is to get to the shooter and stop the shooter. in this case, that appears to be what happened. law enforcement officers went in and were quickly able to mitigate. one thing i will add, alex, because of the prolific situation, the victims in the case have been trained.

we learned that people have learned to shelter in place. to run from the shooting if they hear shots, go the other way. if they don't know where the shooter is shelter in place. they barricaded the doors and hid in closets and under desks. the training in that case has helped to save lives as well, al an ex- ex-alex. >> you talk about that training. every time you hear of a school in training. parents up in arms that the elementary school kids have to be trained on active shooter. i can't go there as a parent. with regard to naming the mass shooter. the suspect. more and more outlets and police and officials, they are declining to put a name to the shooter. instead just saying the suspect. that kind of thing. what do you think that's about? what is that going to do to future mass shooters? does it keep them anonymous or give them the notoriety they may

be looking for? >> you know, i think we have seen copycat shootings in schools. we heard of shooters sub scently after the investigation has concluded or followed or done research on people who had been previous subjects in these shootings. that notoriety may lead to copycats or people trying to emulate that activity. i think what the police have chosen to do in this case is the right step. to not provide that platform or stage and that level of notoriety that might allow others to get engaged and follow and potentially represently rep. >> thank you, shawn. let's go to the ramifications of the shooting. joining me now is kevin cirilli and abigail tracy.

good morning. will this change anything on capitol hill? especially with republicans in congress to put forward some kind of gun reform? what do you think, kevin? >> i don't think it does. i think the lay of the land geopolitically speaking with the republicans controlling the senate and democrats in the house, has left no room for there to be any bipartisan compromise on comprehensive gun control measures. the president has been briefed on the situation in virginia beach. then i think what this also does, however, is creates an opportunity for the democratic 2020 presidential candidates to put forth various proposals on this particular issue. >> but somebody is not listening to the public because there are exit polls. those that specifically, abigail, happened after the elections last year, the midterms, most voters.

majority. 59% support stricter gun support nationwide. how is this going to play out among the 2020 candidates? does it take incidents like what happened in virginia beach yesterday to catapult this to the forefront? >> i agree with kevin. i don't think anything will change on capitol hill after this. i think you have seen this becoming a bigger issue among the 2020 candidates. gun control was a secondary issue for a long time. in this cycle, candidates bringing it up. talking more. rolling out proposals. mentioning gun control. swe eric swalwell is running on that on his campaign. you are seeing that change. it marks the recognition of that poll that you just shared. also you know how critical young voters will be in the election. i'm not sure about kevin. i grew up and had public high school with active shooter drills. a lot of voters had similar

situations. this will drive them to the polls. i think the 2020 candidates see that and a lot of them are voicing policies and things that reflect that. >> yeah. okay. guys, so you know, we will get a news conference from officials in virginia beach. it has been scheduled for 8:00 a.m. the top of the next hour. we will take that. both of you, please stay with us. we will take a quick break. on the other side, we will talk about this. a new poll out on impeachment. the first since robert mueller made his statement. we will talk about that. crossing the line. transcripts from the voice mail from a trump lawyer to michael flynn's team. what did they discuss? we will get reaction to that next. this is the couple who wanted to get away

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back now with with the breaking news on the shooting in virginia beach. 12 people have been killed. four others wounded. it happened late in the day yesterday when the gunman opened fire at the municipal building. the suspect was killed in a long gun battle. city officials are expressing shock and horror. >> today is virginia beach's darkest hour. a senseless crime happened and imposed tremendous grief upon the people of virginia beach, the commonwealth and this country. >> this day will not define virginia beach. we are citizens.

we will define our response to this day. virginia beach. we will determine going forward today how we respond to our city. we kiwill come together. >> families will return to the unification center as officials are working to identify the victims. we are expecting an update from city officials at the top of the hour. stay with us. from there to politics. developing this morning, a new transcript released a crucial piece of evidence on possible obstruction of justice. yesterday, federal officials complied with the voice mail transcript that john dowd which he left for the lawyer michael flynn. dowd made that call in november of 2017 before flynn pled guilty to lying to the fbi and cooperating with the mueller investigation.

the transcript shows i'm system th sympathetic. dowd asked the lawyer to give them a head's up if flynn had information to implicate the president for sake of protecting all of our interests. prosecutors refused the judge's order to release by yesterday transcripts of information of michael flynn had with the russian am bass dbassador durin presidential transition. some looking to impeachment referral to congress when asking what action should be taken against the president. 43% stayaid no action. 20% say congress should censure the president. >> you can't impeach the president until the people support it. you also don't want to divide

the country so half the country is bitter for the next 30 years saying we won the election. you stole it. if there is justification, i think there certainly is, you have to develop the awareness in the country and the agreement basically before you can take the real step of impeachment. >> kevin and abigail stuck around. kevin, let's start with this. the voice mail transcript. john dowd issued a statement on friday pushing back on interpreting the call as possible obstruction. writing this is clearly a baseless document designed to smear the reputation of counsel and innocent people. how significant are these revelations? how much does it change the narrative on obstruction of justice? >> i think it is something the democrats are sifting through right now. the other day, i interviewed the democrat representing washington's seventh district.

she is someone urging democrats to start the i mpeachment proceedings. she is a member of the house judiciary committee. she believes there say growing number of democrats within the caucus, alex, who like to see the impeachment talks begin in earnest. the question becomes whether or not that is something house speaker nancy pelosi is going to want to referee of sorts between her democratic caucus. i'm not sure that they are there as of now. what you heard from house judiciary committee jerry nadler from new york, they will be paramount on the topic. the biggest unknown is how much of impeachment talk is picked up on the campaign trail. not just in town halls or in iowa, but on the main debate stage in a few weeks. >> abigail, they wrote in the report they did not establish

the president knew about or involved in the counsel's communication with flynn's counsel. what do you make of the part where dowd reminded the president's attorney of feelings toward him. what was the implication there? >> i think you are highlighting a critical point. the language how donald trump feels about mike flynn. you like this guy. maybe treat this guy well. let's have these conversations. it is a little bit of urging. i think it is a shielded language that definitely has implications and suggestions with it. i think you saw a lot of that type of language throughout the report as laid out by robert mueller. that is what kevin said is what democrats are looking at. what is the motivation behind the messages that were passed between mike flynn and the trump legal team and other individuals who are involved. >> let's take it a step further.

is it safe to say presidential pardon, those two words could be an underlining message? is that what democrats is thinking that is what was said between the lines? >> absolutely. i have spoken with a number of democrats on the hill. that is their interpretation on this. you have democrats who believe that was the signal that was being sent. i think they are looking at that as they dig through this and determine whether or not to open impeachment against the president. >> kevin, on the flip side, if republicans are saying that is not the interpretation, what is the actual meaning of what is said. remember, the president likes him. >> you know, it is that political head wink and political nod or nudge-nudge that folks are having to interpret. i agree with what abby is saying, alex. the other question becomes let's say they start impeachment proceedin

proceedings. what would that mean? it would not move anywhere in the republican controlled senate. behind the sooenl ccene convers had by democratic leaderships and by the 2020 candidates about what precisely comes after something like a move for impeachment and process of impeachment. where does that go? that is really the conversation that democrats are starting to have. it is one thing to impeach the president. it is a different thing to know what comes after that. i interviewed kimberly gilfoyle. i asked her about the behind the scenes in the white house. they are saying bring it on. she politely pushed back on that notion. no president wants to be impeached. not just because it is not good for him, but it is not good for the country. >> the numbers we were looking at abby, about the impeachment poll, what are the warning sign force the democrats who are

inches to begin impeachment? there are 40 in the house saying let's go for it. >> one of the overarching things of the conversations with lawmakers and congressional staffers about this is the framing of impeachment. is it a constitutional duty for members of congress to proceed or a political question to go after the president? when we look at jerry nadler's statement, he is making clear it say political statement. you have to have the public support behind it. the members of congress who are pushing for impeachment inquiry, they are viewing it differently. a constitutional duty as elected lawmakers to hold the president accountable. it is important to note there is a bit of a conflation of the impeachme impeachment. a lot of people who pushed for that are arguing we say impeachment inquiry saying a process to allow us to have tools to further investigate this president and his behavior

in office. there is a little bit of confusion. i will say that as nadler's statement indicated and sources on the hill told me there are not the votes among the democratic caucus to proceed. nancy pelosi is always aware of her whip count. she is very knowledgeable in terms of okay, what position does this put individuals in purple congressional districts who are within my caucus? she is listening to them. again, treating this as a political versus constitutional question. >> you make good distinctions. opening an inquiry and proce proceedi proceedings. i'll talk to representative gregory meeks in a second. thank you. why officials are avoiding saying the name in the gunman in virginia beach. pete williams and the mayor of virginia beach will join us.

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at least 12 people are dead, 4 injured after another mass shooting in america. the gunman opened fire in the workplace in the virginia beach municipal center on friday afternoon. he was a long time employee of the public utility department. police shot and killed the

gunman at the scene after they say was a long gun battle. virginia beach police department expected to hold a press conference in a half hour at 8:00 a.m. eastern. let's get a deeper look at the shooter and possible motives. justice correspondent pete williams is joining us from washington. good morning, pete. we always try to look for answers at times like this. most of the time they are elusi elusive. what do we know about the gunman? >> reporter: the man they say carried out the attack is dewayne craddock. he was a project engineer for the site planning and engineering team at the office of public utilities in virginia beach. that was the office housed in the building that was attacked. the police chief described him as a long-time employee of the city and said craddock was still employed when he fired on his

fellow employees. others say their understanding was he had recently been fired. any way, he recently bought several guns making the purchase legally. police say the weapon used friday was one of the most common in the u.s. .45-caliber semiautomatic handgun. it fires one shot each time the trigger is pulled. he had several high capacity magazines or clips. the attachments that hold the rounds. that allowed him to hold more shots before reloading. those are legal in virginia. the gun was fitted with a suppressor or silencer. it is not known if craddock legally possessed that. those have to be registered under federal law. as for the motive? that remains unclear. he had no apparent criminal record. police searched his home friday night looking for more information on what may have been the motive. no good answers so far. the fbi and atf are assisting

and their main job is process the crime scene inside the city office building. alex. >> pete, you mentioned he was a public utilities worker. the office was housed in the buildi building. it is my understanding there were victims throughout the building, correct? do we know if this office was greater than one enclosed area on one floor? was he randomly going after people? >> reporter: indiscriminately is the word the police chief used. he did say he fired on all three floors of the building which houses not only the public utilities department that he worked, but other government functions. the building is a large complex of city office buildings. one reason the police responded so quickly was the large presence of city employees. police was always yenearby. four got into the building almost immediately and located

the gunshots and where they were coming from and engaged the shooter. one of the factors here may have been the silencer. these have been controversial. there have been efforts in congress to appeal the sale of silencers requiring registration. that can take several months sometimes to get one legally. the argument is that the bill to make them less restrictive was the sportsman hearing protection act. the argument against silencers is it makes it harder for law enforcement to know where the sound is coming from. disguises where the shots are being fired from makes it seem like they are further away and for all those reasons, many law enforcement officials have opposed removing the restrictions. it seems like each time legislation advances in congress to lessen the restrictions, some mass shooting comes along and that is a setback for the

legislation. in any event, that is a factor they are looking into. >> pete, remind me. he bought as described thi this .45-caliber semiautomatic. you say it is a common handgun. also, the magazines to go with it. is there a trace on that? is there a registry where people have to get it legally done, but if people were to stockpile, which is not the case here, do we know that? >> reporter: no, you wouldn't. no restriction in most states or cities on the sale of ammunition or magazines that attach to guns. they don't have to be registe d registered. obviously when you buy a gun, there is a record of that. not the magazines. they are only restricted in a few places. under the so-called assault weapons ban of two decades ago, there was a restriction on high

capacity magazines. the definition was more than ten. the high capacity magazines. we don't know which version he had. they can hold as many as 30 rounds. normally you expect 8 to 10 to be in the normal magazine clip that goes into the grip of the pistol. that allows you to fire many more rounds before you have to reload. there are very few restrictions on those and they don't have to be registered. the sale is not restricted. >> sobering indeed. pete williams, thank you. is it all about robert mueller? what made the president take controversial action with mexico this week. this week. (grunti)g i'll take that. (cheering) 30 grams of protein and 1 gram of sugar ensure. for strength and energy.

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rn. do you need me to help you. the police said no. get back in your car. >> 12 people were killed in the shooting. join me now is the democrat from new york and member of the foreign affairs and financial services chit ommittee. good morning to you. we didn't bring you on to talk about sggun control on capitol hill. what is the suppose expect pros after yet another shooting? >> i don't know. i'm sure we will have a moment of silence again. i'm tired of that without action. >> right! >> there's a reason why there are more mass murders in the united states than any place in the world. access to guns. i don't see how my republican colleagues and they should look at the polls on this. most americans agree we need to do something. >> 59%. >> we drive cars. those are danger instruments.

we do know who has a license or registration to own a car. yet we can't do that with guns. >> you heard me ask pete williams about that. you can buy something legally. you don't know if someone is stockpiling or semiautomatic magazines. >> extended clips. silencers! >> i know. >> it doesn't make sense. it baffles my mind. the inaction. i have been in congress 20 years. that's one of the most frustrating issues because it seems to me it makes common sense. we are not trying to take guns away from hunters, but prevent mass murders. this is not a democrat or republican or independent issue. this is an american issue. it is an american problem. >> i have a lot of respect for eric swalwell who is running for president. this is one of his main platforms if not the epicenter of his campaign. he is not getting a lot of traction in the polls. i don't know how there is that

disconnec disconnect, but there is. >> i my hope is young people is to speak up and speak out. it is a single focus as they become 18 and 19 and 20 and they are going to the polls. my hope is the new set of voters come in and have their voices her. >> let's talk about tariffs. imposed upon mexico. a majority of economists think this is a bad idea. the president thinking mexico will pay for the tariffs. in reality, the american people. consumer goods and automobiles that are impacted. peter navarro had this to say. listen. >> these people who say somehow american consumers will pay for it. it is not true. the government of china has the burden of the tariffs in the form of lower tax revenue and lower rated growth. >> so is the american consumer. importers pay for it.

>> no, the governments of china and mexico will pay for it and the producers in mexico and china pay for it. >> how do you interpret that message? we know the president's senior adviser, the treasury secretary of the united states and trade representative said this is not a good idea. >> this is clearly not a good idea. for navarro to say that the mexicans will pay for it, i tell you what defies that logic. why did the president have to give billions of dollars to farmers to subsidize them because of his ill conceived tariffs? that's taxpayer money. that's taxpayer. the united states paying to subsidize farmers because of the policies of the president. look, this president inherited an economy moving in the right direction. he should thank his soul it was barack obama that put it together. he is doing everything within his power to try to destroy

that. if he continues in this direction, as we have seen, we begin to lose jobs again. remember when barack obama came in, we were losing 700,000 jobs a month. now we have consecutive growth. we are looking at the policies with tariffs with canada and mexico. this will endanger the trade agreement. tariffs against european allies. we will be an isolated country shortly because of the policies of this president. >> let's talk about impeachment. i know you do not support the prospect of impeachment. tell me what impeachment is all about. is it something political lly speaking you can't get through congress? maybe through the house. not with the makeup of the senate at this point. does the prospect of impeachment become an issue of politics or principle? you heard abigail tracy outline

the difference with starting an impeachment inquiry versus proceedings. if impeachment inquiry were started and things revealed, might the american public come on board? >> i would say to you, alex, we are doing that now. that's why you judiciary committee is still digging through the evidence and subpoenaing individuals to come and going to court to fight to get the information they want. that is why the ways and means committee is going after the president's tax returns. that is why the financial services committee is going and looking at the bank records of the trump administration. we are, in fact, doing that right now. what is important to me is that we don't make this a political issue. if you could impeach tomorrow and number one, a lot of individuals in my district, think impeachment means the president is gone. he's not. what happens afterwards is very important. what we need to make sure we are

doing is make it non political. we need democrats and republicans. his people have come to him and said this guy needs to be impea impeached. >> lone republican. >> that can grow. the difference impeachment of the clinton impeachment. republicans voted another way. in the nixon case, because of the effort and way we went about it, that was not considered a partisan issue. i think that we have to show the evidence and continue in the manner we are doing. the american people will see it. republicans will have to come on because this should not be a partisan issue. this is an issue of democracy in the united states and the wrongdoing of the president of the united states and why he should be removed from office. >> all right. representative gregory meeks, thank you. let's get more on the tragedy in virginia beach. joining me now is mayor bobby

dyer. good morning on this somber day. as you said yesterday is the darkest day in the history of your beautiful town. first of all, how are you and the community coping right now? >> i tell you what, i think we are all in a bit of shock and grief. you know, we feel for the victims. we feel for the victims' families. we feel for the coworkers. we feel for our community and city. it's a dark day today. >> where were you when you heard about the shooting? what were your first thoughts? >> boy, i tell you, i got a call that there was an active shooter situation. i started heading to city hall and then i got a call that there were fatalities involved. you know, the list kept on growing over time. i tell you what, you know, this

is a tough one for our community. >> i can't even imagine. i can tell it is hard for you to even articulate the way you feel. it is such a shock and so difficult for you to process. something

craddock. we have one of the best police departments in the nation, regarded as the safest city of a city our size. this is such a shock because the peace and tranquility we enjoyed in virginia beach. >> as i said in the introduction, it is a beautiful city. i know you're proud to be the mayor. very difficult times for the city on this dark day. mayor bobby dyer, thank you for joining me. i want to let all our viewers know we will be listening for the police press conference in a few minutes from now. let's go from here to politics, new insights into efforts on tariffs. "the washington post" is reporting the president defied close advisers, including senior adviser and son-in-law jared kushner, calling in from travels

in the middle east. presidential son-in-law jared kushner argued against imposing unilateral tariffs, warning the move could i am peril prospects of ratifying the new trade deal with mexico and canada. let's bring in republican strategist, and professor at the school of public affairs. welcome to you all. he shut out his advisers, the treasury secretary, the trade representative. stock markets took a dive. this potentially i am perils the trade agreement, it risks steep price increases on goods many americans depend on. can you make sense of this. >> the one word that comes to

mind is disaster. obviously the economic front, i have seen estimates once the effects of tariffs are absorbed into the market we may lose 400,000 jobs, not taking into account retaliation by mexico. that's disastrous in and of itself. in terms of immigration, remember, the rationale is that by imposing tariffs, the u.s. is going to force mexico, force central america to stop sending migrants, but that's not going to happen. rather than use these measures, we need to work with these governments instead of bullying them. what we're actually going to see is probably up tick of folks rushing to the border because the economic situation in latin america gets worse. from the immigration perspective, from the economic perspective of the u.s. market, disastrous. >> okay. you outlined that well. let's go to you.

let's listen to chris wallace from fox news. >> the president choose to create one controversy. >> bright shiny object to distract. is that what's driving this? >> yeah, i think so. look, this is an issue that trump needs for his base. in re-election year, he has to do something. he has to go back to the message that worked the first time, which is mexico is going to pay for it. this is his answer to give back to that message and solution for the 2020 campaign. i think personally it is a mistake. i think this will hurt border states like arizona, texas, california. i read an article yesterday that said texas can be hurt 17 to $19 billion a year, off just the

first level of tariffs, not including if they escalate through september. i think it is a political issue for the president. he is trying to do anything he can to move back to message of making mexico responsible for our immigration problem, and there's other ways to solve the problem. >> but to that point, jes s, "te washington post" says there's no way to block migrants to the united states because they vice president broken u.s. law until they enter the country illegally. do democrats think mexico can, should be doing more to reduce the tide of people coming to the u.s.? 30 seconds to answer this, we have a police press conference coming up. sorry. >> immigrating to the country through legal ports of entry is legal. that's something most americans agree on. i think this is an ill thought out, not thought out at all policy by donald trump driven by emotion and politics. he thinks it is a winner, but it is really a loser for not only

seeking to come to the country but american workers as laid out in terms of economic policy. >> listen, apologies for the brevity. we have a news conference moved up from 9:30 a.m. thank you so much. see you again soon. as we said, authorities in virginia beach are holding a news conference in a few minutes. we'll bring it to you live on msnbc. we'll bring ito tyou live on msnbc. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ applebee's new loaded fajitas. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. applebee's new loaded fajitas. when crabe stronger...strong, with new nicorette coated ice mint. layered with flavor... it's the first and only coated nicotine lozenge.

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that's it for weekends with alex witt. i will see you in a few minutes this hour. time for up with david gura with the latest on the shooting. >> today is virginia beach's darkest hour, a senseless crime happened, and imposed tremendous grief upon the people of virginia beach, the commonwealth, and this country. >> good morning, i am david gura live in virginia beach where 12 people were killed in a mass shooting friday. any minute now, virginia beach police are expected to give an update on the latest on that attack. we'll bring that to you live. police say the suspect was shot dead after he opened fire in a public works building a few feet behind where i am standing this morning. at least four people were wounded, including a police officer. nbc correspondent hans nichols is outside virginia beach general hospital and joins us with the latest details on conditions of the victims. again, we expect to learn