yesterday's shooting. good evening. i am david gura live in virginia beach, the latest in a long list of american cities that have been scarred by a mass shooting. vigils are taking place at this hour after a lone gunman shot and killed 12 men and women in the municipal building behind me in what is the deadliest shooting in the city's history and in the united states this year. police say the suspect and engineer and 15 year employee of the city of virginia beach walked into the municipal center, the campus from which i am broadcasting, began to fire indiscriminately with .45 caliber pistols. the local police department is not even 150 yards from the scene of that shooting, officers arrived within minutes, after engaging what they call a long gunbattle, the suspected gunman was struck by police fire and later died. in addition to 12 people killed, four others were injured and a police officer whose bulletproof

vest saved his life. two are in critical condition at this hour, one in fair condition, one patient in critical condition at the general hospital in norfolk. flags are flown half mast in virginia and across the country tonight in accordance with an order from president trump. here's what city officials had to say when they addressed reporters earlier today. >> outpouring of support at the vigils that will happen, come to the vigil, show up at the vigil, for our police officers, this is a horrific event, unbelievable proportions. police officers put themselves in harm's way every day for people they never met, people they have no connection to, and for people they'll never see again. >> emphasis on mourning and remembrance. joining us, kathy park, at virginia beach general hospital, and justice correspondent pete williams from washington, and jose diaz-balart is here as

well. let me start with you, kathy. i mentioned victims at the hospital in virginia beach, the other hospital in norfolk. walk us through what we learned from medical officials at the hospitals. >> reporter: david, good evening to you. so controlled chaos, that's how doctors describe the scene last night as five of the shooting victims were rushed to this location. unfortunately two of those victims died, now two individuals are currently listed in critical condition, going in and out of the operating room. there's also another individual who is in fair condition. and doctors say that person could potentially make a full recovery. david, unfortunately this is the reality. these are the times we are living in. even hospitals have to prepare for mass shootings, including this one. doctors say their training really kicked in last night. take a listen. >> monthly meetings that handle emergency disaster situations,

to prepare for this. multiple, multiple levels. we had four operating rooms ready to go, 5:00 on friday night which is pretty remarkable. staff stayed around. blood bank is notified, extra teams are notified. >> for a horrible, tragic event, it went as smoothly as it could possibly have gone. >> reporter: and between those doctors, you heard there they have 50 years of experience just at this hospital alone, and despite that experience, training, and preparation, they said what they saw last night was just surreal. again, tonight four people are still hospitalized, three at this location, and one other individual at a hospital in norfolk. david? >> kathy, thank you very much for that update. pete williams, let me turn to you. two major news conferences, we heard from the mayor and city

manager, all of them stressed how rigorous the investigation has been so far, how much longer they have to go in that investigation. get us up to speed. what did we learn over the course of the day over what transpired yesterday at around 4:00 p.m. >> we learned now a complete picture of what happened inside the building, how the gunman was so heavily armed. what the authorities say is that he first fired a shot in the parking lot outside the building that he later stormed. one of his victims was in a car and died there. then he went inside the building, according to bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms. he had two .45 caliber semi automatic handguns. that means they fire one round, each time the trigger is pulled. with those guns he had what the police know as high capacity magazines. these are the attachments to the gun that carry rounds, and because they have several rounds, more than a normal gun would carry, a gunman can fire

off more rounds before having to reload. that was a factor that increased fire power that he had, police say they found several empty magazines during their search after the shooting. another factor is the fact that at least one and perhaps both of the handguns had a silencer on them. that is important in two senses. number one, many people inside that building say they thought gunfire was further away because the 150silencer would muffle th sound of the gunshot. secondly, it may have complicated the ability of the police to pinpoint where he was inside the building when they stormed in. thirdly, it may have been a factor, you have to ask yourself if he didn't have the suppress or, t er, when he fired that in the parking lot, a .45 caliber handgun would make considerable noise. might that have alerted the police before he rushed in. that's one aspect of the

investigation. the second is what's happening inside the building there, the painstaking work of reconstructing the scene, the forensic examination, how many rounds were fired, where did they come from, where did they go, who was hit. the third thing trying to figure out why this happened. the police chief emphasized several times that dewayne craddock, the gunman, had not been fired. as a matter of fact, he still had his building pass which allowed him free access to the entire building, and the chief says that the gunman fired shots on all floors except the basement of the building, and that there were victims on all of the floors. having that pass was critical. hn hadn't been fired. not sure of a disciplinary issue or a fight, or verbal fight, was he due for discipline. the city hasn't said anything about that, and we heard

conflicting things from co-workers. some say he seemed normal, affable, neighbors said he kept to himself, was quiet. we don't know why police are searching the house, looking at electronics, trying to find the answer. >> we heard little from the chief of police on possible motive. looking for more on that in the coming days. jose diaz-balart. you have talked to members in the community, something i heard, no doubt you heard, for such a large community, there's a closeness here. >> it has a small town feel to people that live here, and they say that they try to know their neighbors and be part of their neighbors' lives. if you look at this building, so easy to think how peaceful it would have been yesterday. to think someone goes in there with a .45, extremely lethal handgun with extended clips, just the carnage that happened here. and the vigils being held

officially and normally, vigils are held throughout the area. as a matter of fact, they'll have some on "nbc nightly news" saturday, but people are coming together, and they're trying to gain strength during a very difficult time and just can't conceive of what happened here. it is inconceivable. >> still beginning to process it. you mention vigils, this is building up to a big one thursday night, heard from the communications director from city of virginia beach, a city wide vigil at the end of the week. as you talk to folks how they're coming to terms with this, what did they say about the role of religion in doing that? not a constant but something you have seen a lot of. >> today that was the constant among people that came today, to get as close as they could to pray. they say that's the strength that they get, the strength they need to convey to others, to go through very difficult times when there is very little to be able to explain the

unexplainable, why something like this would occur. someone was telling me earlier today they feel as though they go in this building all the time for a permit, for something. he says why did i survive, why did i not experience that? and a churchgoer said her friend works there, that day didn't go to work, didn't go in that area where the shooter was. why are they not effected. that's part of the issue many people have as a question as they try to rebuild and try to using faith find strength in something that's very difficult to have answers to. >> absolutely. pete williams, if i can turn to you, the federal government is taking on a bigger role in the investigation as it goes on. atf, alcohol tobacco and firearms involved, the fbi, quantico not too far removed from where we stand tonight. afraid we lost pete williams.

again, this is an all encompassing investigation where we have the federal government and local as well. look forward to hearing from those effected on nightly news. jose diaz-balart joining me. tragedies like the one in virginia beach inevitably raise questions about gun control and policy. earlier today, the virginia governor said it is time to take action. >> actions speech much louder than words so i will make decisions in the upcoming days, but we need to look at our laws. are they safe. do they keep people protected in the commonwealth of virginia. we have introduced legislation each year, fredricka, for the last few years, just been defeated, but things like this continue to happen. we can't be desensitized to the tragedies, and it is time to take action. as the leader of virginia as governor, i plan to do that. >> joining me, the gentleman from the fourth district of virginia, congressman douglas

mckeacham, west of here, west of where i am standing in virginia beach. let me ask you if i could, how have you realkcted. people are saying things need to change in large and in abstract terms. what needs to happen in light of what transpired here yesterday in virginia beach. >> as the governor said, we need to take action. historically during my service in congress in the last three years, all the other side of the aisle wants to do is give thoughts and prayers. while that's appropriate, that's not enough. we need to take action. we need to do things like universal background checks, ban certain types of weapons. but unfortunately now we still have a republican controlled senate on the federal level, and that's not going to happen. as listeners and viewers know, the republican party is wholly owned subsidiary of the nra. >> there's a question after each and every one of these tragedies, is this the one that

makes an effective change in the dialogue of gun policy in this country? i wonder how you wrestle with that question this time around. you talk about political discord in this country. if not now when i suppose is the question. >> that's an excellent question, i don't know that i have an answer for that. i will say this, this will be an election issue, not only this year in virginia, because as you know in virginia we have our statehouse, house of delegates and state senate and next year. these tragedies are going to echo into next year, we're going to have to have a conversation with the american people, which direction do you want to go. do you want your elected leaders to continue to ignore these tragedies or do you want your elected leaders to take action. hopefully the people of america will vote for action and democrats will take charge, try to improve things. >> how did you react personally to what happened yesterday? as i mention this is not too far

afield from your district in virginia. >> not at all far. my district, virginia beach is in cd 2, i am cd 4, we abut each other. just made me shake my head in disbelief. i was actually there the day before the tragedy visiting with supporters and talking to constituents. and to come back home, next day see such a tragedy take place was just beyond belief. something like that doesn't usually happen in virginia, although a week ago we had a gang related mass shooting inches a peek, so we've had this two weeks in a row. it is past time to take action. we certainly know that from things that happened across the nation, now we know it right here at home. >> last question here. is the conversation about gun policy different at the state

level, do you think, as you've begun to process what happened and have conversations with your colleagues from commonwealth of virginia, do you see the opportunity for change happening not at the national level but more so at the state level? >> one would hope but i spent 20 years in the virginia legislature in the house of delegates and virginia state senate. i put forward a number of bills dealing with gun safety, including universal background checks. they went absolutely nowhere with the republican majorities. those personalities haven't changed that much. again, we have an election in november here in virginia. we have an opportunity to win the state senate and state house. we control statewide offices there are to control, we can win the state senate and state house, make some effective changes. i know there are candidates campaigning on issues like this. >> thank you for the time. i appreciate it. thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. coming up, california

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welcome back. i am david gura. coverage continues from virginia beach. more than a dozen presidential candidates are looking to strike gold in the golden state today. a great many of them converging

on california this weekend for the state's democratic convention which is taking place there. missing from the fold, however, is the frontrunner, vice president joe biden, opting instead to campaign in ohio. team coverage tonight with drew l lipman and beth fouhy who has been at the convention all day. help us understand the importance of this. there's more than a dozen candidates made the trip to san francisco to be there. >> reporter: yeah, that's right. it is 14 total, david. what's important about it? a couple of things. one, the biggest state in the country by far, largest number of democrats voting in one state, and moved up the primary. used to be a june primary. now california has a march primary the first time in many years. it will be on super tuesday next year. suddenly california plays a bigger role in selecting the party's nominee than it typically does. it typically cedes to iowa, new

hampshire, white, older voting population, california is multi cultural and young. it brings that videos into the conversation. that's why these democrats came out here. most of them are not going to compete realistically for the 495 delegates, it is too big, too expensive a place for anybody other than the top tier that have money to pour into the state. nonetheless, they're coming here to get in front of influential donors an activists, talk up their fortunes, talk them up in a way to get them ground in iowa, new hampshire, and propel them to other states, david. >> you mention that top tier of candidates, one is a daughter of california, senator kamala harris, trying to get the 495 delegates. she perhaps better than most knows how to do it in terms of how they'll be allocated. what was her message to voters in her home state of california today?

>> reporter: so she had a couple of appearances today. she spoke at a women's caucus this morning where there was discussion of planned parenthood and abortion bans passing in several states. she was well received. today's message from kamala harris and most of the rest of them was electability and need to bounce president trump out of office. she talked about the need to impeach president trump. she's one of those democrats firmly in that camp, different from nancy pelosi who had spoken earlier in the day, she too, a california lawmaker, but the most powerful democrat now, certainly the most powerful democratic woman putting the brakes on the notion of impeachment. kamala harris spoke about it in a very impassioned tone andrew b -- and drew applause. >> listen to the junior senator, to kamala harris and what she had to say. >> let's talk about this so-called commander in chief.

he parrots lies over the word of american intelligence and law enforcement leaders. he denies that russia interfered in election of the president of the united states. he obstructed justice and then hired an attorney general to clean up the crime scene. we need to begin impeachment proceedings, and we need a new commander in chief. >> drew, i would love you to react. and react to what beth was talking about, the degree to which this path to the nomination changed as a result of california playing a bigger role in the primary process. >> well, it is a radical change because super tuesday was originally set up to enable democrats to compete in compact group of southern states. if you are running low on funds, you could still be competitive through super tuesday, but over time, massachusetts has been added, minnesota, now

california, and california, i worked for senator harris' predecessor, barbara boxer. california has at least four huge media markets. san diego, los angeles, san francisco, sacramento, it is going to be very hard to compete successfully, even credibly in california and those southern states. there aren't going to be many candidates left by super tuesday that can do that. >> you had beth using the e word, electability, the plank on which joe biden is building his campaign at this point. what do you make of his absence from the convention in san francisco? >> the san francisco convention attendees, democratic attendees tend to be a little more progressive or at least a little further out there than the party generally. take an example, in the 2016 cycle, dianne feinstein was up for re-election, she's popular in california, but the party at the state convention declined to

endorse her for re-election. that's not the kind of thing you see in most other states with a venerated democratic senator, and incidentally, feinstein was behind the first and only ban of automatic weapons in the mid '90s which is highly relevant today. >> highly relevant, beth. i wanted to ask about that, the degree to which candidates are addressing what happened in the building behind me in virginia beach. this was an opportunity for them to talk about gun policy. i wonder how it is at this point, many months until the first primary and caucus. >> reporter: that's a great question, david. you know what, cory booker blew the roof off this place when he started talking about guns. he seemed to have jettisoned his prepared remarks that he wrote a day or two ago, instead talked about the shooting in virginia beach, really raised his voice, really said that he's sick and tired of being sick and tired invoking the great civil rights

icon fanny liou hamer, this tim talking specifically about guns and it happens over and over and over again and the united states government seems to do nothing about it. cory booker bought a lot of goodwill by going right to that issue, squeezing his fist, bringing that audience to their feet for the first time really among any of the contenders that spoke this afternoon. others got a good reception. i would say he got a great reception for talking about guns. >> drew, i want to ask you about that translating policy into something voters will get behind. this is an election in which gun policy is being talked about being introduced more as a principal policy. you have cory booker who beth mentioned, eric swalwell, staging his campaign on gun control, gun policy as well. is it gaining steam in a way it hasn't in years past? >> it is gaining steam. interestingly while there are new moderate house democrats who

are trying to distance themselves from the liberal members of the caucus, they're all pretty much in the same place on gun control. i would say as to cory booker, he is uniquely credible on these issues. he lived in one of those dangerous housing projects in newark, found himself face to face with armed drug dealers. usually was able to talk himself out of terrible situations and diffuse situations, but he is very credible. if this is the moment for gun control, i don't want to look at it just in political terms, but it may be an advantage for cory booker. >> appreciate the time. coming up, what police learned and still do not know 24 hours after a virginia beach city employee opened fire inside a municipal building here killing 12 men and women. pal bu killing 12 men and women ♪

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welcome back. i am david gura live in virginia beach, continuing special coverage of the shooting that killed 12 people, seriously injured four others. it happened behind me in municipal building number two. as the investigation continues, the city's mayor, bobby dyer, is

attempting to shift the spotlight from the shooter back to the community that was senselessly attacked. >> without reservation, virginia beach is a city of heroes. and the strength of virginia beach are the people of virginia. and there's no doubt that going forward that we will define ourselves as a city with love and compassion for those neighbors that we lost and their families. >> the editorial board of the new the virginia pilot is weighing in. this was the deadliest shooting in virginia beach history and worst in the united states this year. that distinction is unlikely to hold for long. thus, we are challenged, either we resign ourselves to the fact that what happened in virginia beach on friday and countless other communities before it is part of life in america, or we commit ourselves to something different. the choice is ours to make. joining me, reporter for the newspaper, jane harper, reports

on courts and crimes in virginia. we talked about the municipal complex, the campus we're on. help us understand what happens here on a day-to-day basis? >> most everything involving city government is located in this area, the courthouses and city hall and anything that citizens need to do, it is pretty much located right here. it is about 110 acres, and houses about 30 buildings. >> it is the weekend. and this happened. there isn't as much traffic as a weekday, but the bureaucratic nerve center of the community. >> exactly. >> help us understand what you heard from law enforcement and leadership today during the two press conferences about what transpired, where things are headed from here. >> virginia beach police department is meticulous, they don't smudge information. they're very careful about what they're willing to tell the public. it's going to be some time i think before we find out more.

one thing i would like to know, would be interesting, virginia beach police officers just recently started equipping them with body cameras, only about a quarter of the officers have them so far, so it will be interesting to know if the ones that engaged in the gunbattle were wearing them. >> understand how this reverberated through the newsroom, how you reacted when you heard it yesterday at 4:00. >> we have an office across the street from here, unfortunately i was not there, i was in norfolk, we didn't have anyone in virginia beach. we had to drive from norfolk about a half hour, fighting traffic. it was getting to be the evening. and we learned about it right after, and it was actually someone that was an emt who notified one of our photographers and i was shocked. i was like it is 4:00, it is friday, you know, things close down. it was really surprising. i came out here thinking that it is probably not going to be much, and it was very surprising, very shocking, disheartening when we found out

how serious. >> absolutely. so much emphasis on the length of the gun fight between the now dead suspect and law enforcement here. what do you make of that, given your experience covering crime and courts, the police chief saying it happened before, wouldn't talk about it in terms of minutes, but it was a lengthy fight with the suspect. >> it is hard to imagine. they say these things happen in second. their idea of lengthy, i have no idea. it will be interesting when he releases a time line tomorrow. >> you cover crime and courts. what's your sense what happens next in terms of the investigation, this is not a federal crime as far as we know. >> as i said, they're meticulous here, they don't rush judgment. i think it will be quite some time before we have their final investigation. it typically takes several months before they let us know. >> thank you very much. jane harper, reporter from virginia pilot. turn to malcolm nance and i will throw a question to you.

you listened to the news conferences, you heard from law enforcement and those that run the city. what stood out as they began to piece together in broad strokes what happened here yesterday afternoon. >> well first off, i think we have to give some cudos to the mayor by not naming the shooter and focusing on people effected, the victims of the horrible, senseless crime. however, one of the things that i like to bring to everyone's attention, when we have terrorist attacks, we cannot allow an act of violence to determine how we go about our day, how we get a permit from a permit office, how we go to city hall. if we turn our facilities into fortresses, then what you have is you have effected the exact feeling the shooter wants you to have. they want you to be scared. i think the mayor made it very clear that the city of virginia beach is going to recover from this, they're going to come out stronger. >> you talked about the city

manager talked about free and open society, open government is part of that. picking up on what you just talked about, step back broadly, talk about tensions as they play out across the country on a day-to-day basis. how much have we hit that note correctly in cities across the country, folks that run the city pick up the pieces, figure out what needs to change. how acutely aware are they of what the tension is? >> i think it varies place to place. i served the virginia beach area, i know the area well, but it is different from virginia beach to new york city to philadelphia or ames, iowa, and each jurisdiction. but again, we can't be led to believe we are in one of two places, we can't believe we are in a place where guns are flush and mass murders are occurring all the time. they are, they do. however, most people for their entire lives will not be involved in any of these incidents, so there has to be a balance in how we view this.

should some action take place on a political level in very broad strokes in terms of trying to bring some control to this? yes. if you looked at the subject of today's shooter and whatever is going on in his head, he he was a legal gun owner with all of his firearms were acquired properly, including a suppresser, which takes almost a year and enormous amount of paperwork and money to acquire. you know, this is a discussion we have to have on a broader sense, but i'm not sure of that. even this incident or one like las vegas where 58 people were shot dead, not sure whether we have the political will to address it. >> malcolm, you mention victims. i'm glad you did. that's how the first news conference began with the city manager going through a list of 12 individuals killed here yesterday. there was something quo tidian about it, i don't mean that with tone or to disparage it.

these were folks going about their lives, and there will be watching this, doing a job in some cases for 41 years. >> again, it was heartbreaking. i really, really have to credit the city manager that by showing us the victims, we can start understanding the heartbreak of these incidents. we didn't see that enough. we don't see that enough. often we say a number but don't give a hey geography of people that deserve it, to show that you have a 23-year-old woman, another person who worked there 40 some odd years. we all have these people in our communities, we have them in our society. we love and cherish these people. when you need a driver's license, you want that person there. but it goes to show that again, we have to have a broader

discussion about violence as it is done through firearms, and no offense, i am a firearm owner, i owned them my entire lives, but it is the responsible ownership of firearms. then the warning signs for workplace violence. that's what this was, this was an act of workplace violence. they all have to come together. what we can't do is keep sticking our head in the sand and wait for the next mass murder. >> that narrative, hate geography will develop leading up to the city wide vigil. thank you very much for the time. i appreciate it. >> my pleasure. up next, we'll take a turn back to washington, d.c., attorney general bill barr and robert mueller with their own words and different results. words and different results. ...depend® silhouette™ briefs feature maximum absorbency, beautiful colors and an improved fit for a sleek design and personal style. life's better when you're in it. be there with depend®.

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. people are saying that it is president trump that's shredding our institutions. i really see no evidence of that. from my perspective, the idea of resisting a democratically elected president and throwing everything at him and, you know, really changing the norms on the grounds we have to stop this president, that's where shredding of our norms and institutions is occurring. >> that was the attorney general of the united states, william barr, in conversation with cbs's jan crawford. his comments about shredding institutions have gained a lot of attention, especially in

light of what happened friday in a hearing for michael flynn. lawyers for the justice department were ordered to turn over transcripts of a wire tapped conversation between michael flynn and now former russian ambassador to the u.s., sergei kislyak. the conversation was about sanctions imposed on russia in 2016. lawyers for the justice department refused basically saying they were not vital to the prosecution and the judge didn't need them. welcome former u.s. attorney joyce vance. let's take a step back, have you react to what we have seen from the attorney general in an interview that aired on cbs news. the degree she weighed in on things that customarily an attorney general would not. >> the attorney general is the people's lawyer. he represents all of us. he preserves our rights, defends our equities. this attorney general comes off in the most recent interview as he frankly has since he was confirmed as the president's lawyer. that looks like all he is at

this point. >> there was an exchange in this interview in which jan crawford asked him when he looks at the genesis of the mueller investigation that those that started it committed treason and he says no. what's difficult for me and i'm sure difficult for you, how he doesn't seem to have a position on this. >> he seems wheted to the position the president has every day. barr knows full well there's been an ig investigation, it looked at much of the conduct involved in the investigation. he also knows there are some very stringent rules involved, for instance, in getting a fisa warrant. so at every step along the way, this investigation and agents that ran it weren't independent actors free to use their own personal grudges and advance them through the investigation, they were always acting in the best traditions of doj. for the attorney general to suggest to the contrary is just

irresponsible unless he is willing to back it up, and so far he hasn't been in any meaningful way. >> joyce, let's dovetail this with a conversation on impeachment going on in this country now. nancy pelosi, house speaker, was speaking in california, and there were calls for impeachment. when you listen to bill barr, justifying the president, not giving over documents, to make individuals available for testimony on capitol hill, what does it say about the need for that to happen. you see a list of those calling for impeachment rising to 55 members of the house of representatives. 54 democrats, 1 republican. >> congress has an obligation under the constitution to engage in oversight, the american people are entitled to an accounting from this presidency. the notion that the white house would resist subpoenas, try to keep evidence from the american people i think represents just how low the administration is willing to go.

if they have nothing to hide, if the president believes the mueller report exonerated him, let witnesses testify. let the evidence come forward and let the american people makeup their minds. >> joyce, i'm talking to you from virginia beach in virginia, the site of the attack yesterday. before you were u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor as well, you were an atf prosecutor. you prosecuted for atf. and now they're taking a role in the investigation in virginia beach as well. help us understand the role they're playing as this evolves from a local law enforcement investigation to one that's involving federal investigators as well. >> sure. as a prosecutor i did a lot of cases with atf. i was a prosecutor in alabama and anytime an incident like this occurs, whether it is a shooting or a bombing or arson, atf is involved along with fbi. we understand now that fbi has primary responsibility for this scene and these agents will be

out working in hot conditions going over every inch of the th buildings, gathering evidence, trying to put together the story of what happened here so victims and families have closure. also so we can learn lessons that hopefully help us prevent future incidents, and perhaps also help us understand something that many people like myself in law enforcement believe, that some of these weapons, particularly in this case high capacity magazines and silencers don't need to be accessible to the public. we need to do what we can to help law enforcement and increase public safety. >> i just want to drill down on that. this is not the first time you and i were scheduled to talk about something less vital than what happened here in virginia beach, talking about legal things and it is interrupted by a shooting like yesterday in virginia beach. you mentioned there are those in law enforcement think this conversation needs to happen.

your sense of if we're at a pivot point when it is beginning to happen more widely? >> we should have been in a pivot point after sandy hook, every time one of these mass shootings takes place. we never seem to get there. perhaps that's because of the power of the nra, and maybe we're at a point the nra won't be able to exert that influence, but we need rational gun laws. i can get that easier than a license to drive a car. maybe we need to require licensing and good practices for gun ownership. >> appreciate the time and perspective as always. still to come, much more from virginia beach. another american city trying to make sense of yet another mass shooting. r mass shooting shaving has been difficult for me. i have very sensitive skin, and i get ingrowing hairs. so it's a daunting task.

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and 2020 presidential candidate cory booker reacting to the shooting here in virginia beach earlier at an event in san francisco. the junior senator from jersey joins me now. senator booker, let's talk about what prompted you to make those remarks today about gun policy, your reaction to what happened in the building just feet behind me here in virginia beach. >> first of all, you know, people live in neighborhoods like mine, inner city, black and brown communities, we know that this kind of gun violence goes on every day in america. mass shootings in the agate, often black and brown people getting killed. so when i see us as a nation see another mass shooting like we saw in virginia beach and seemingly lacking the kind of courageous empathy and outrage, actually channel it into changing laws we all know would

make us -- thoughts and prayers for me are just not enough. we need laws, policies, changes made. and i'm hoping that this is kind of a time in america where we will make the changes we need to make and bring a fight like this country has never seen before to protect american lives. >> what is your sense of this, that time in america, the readiness the electorate has to make it a principle platform issue as we approach the 2020 election? in other words, is it any risk to weight into this issue? >> you don't give a damn about the politics of this. that's not why i got in politics in an inner city neighborhood. i fought for the things that's going to make a difference for the people in my community. again, i'm an african-american male. i'm 6% of the population but we make more of the homicide victims. it's very personal. it's why we form governments if not for the common defense.

we've seen carnage for this country. i'm just 50 years old. we've had more people die through gun violence in my lifetime than every single war, that have died in every single war combined. enough is enough. who cares about the politics? we have the power to make change. stop letting the corporate gun lobby frame there debate. it's time for bold action. it's time for us, like in generations before, in moral moments where they were stopping things, civil rights legislation with filibusters. we change that by coming together with a higher level of consciousness and concern and better moral imagination to change laws. that's what this moment needs, not people who are thinking about what to politic, but thinking about what is urgent and necessary for this nation to be free of this fear and pain and hurt and carnage. >> senator booker, something i heard several times today is something needs to happen. let's talk a bit about policy and what needs to happen to change things measurably.

when you think about what policies you would like to see changed, what would make a difference when it comes to policy, what's top of mind for you? >> first, to wake people up. the corporate gun lobby has done things americans don't even realize. they except for the themselves from laws against negligence. if your gun blows up in your face, you can't even sue. they've exempted themselves from law enforcement, literally. the one agency on the federal level that's kept be starved without the the resources enforce the laws that we have is the atf. and so let's begin to expose what the corporate gun lobby has done to our safety and our security. and then begin to look at actually what works. evidence-based things that lower the rates of shootings like gun licensing. connecticut did that. they said if you drive a car and you need a license, you need to have one to take a gun as well. what they did in connecticut is

it lowered the rates of homicides 40%. suicide, 15%. we know what works in america. investing in communities like mine where the underlying causes of violence -- because gun violence is very much like a health policy issue, a health care issue. investing in people and communities. we've seen in places like oakland here in california that you can dramatically lower the rates of violence. so we have models, evidence-based models what works, but we're lacking conviction as a country to do what we know will work. this is a uniquely american problem. other nations from japan to germany that have the same video games, the same movies, all of these people make this a cultural argument. no. this is a uniquely american problem and we need american will to make changes that we know will keep us safe. >> let me pivot here. you're in california for this

democratic convention, california state democratic convention. a lot of your opponents talking about electability. help us understand your perspective on that and your electability. what's the message you're carrying to voters in california about that? >> look, as a guy who's the son of a woman from los angeles, a graduate from stanford university, folk here, a lot of folks have been familiar with the way i fight for a long time. heck, i had to beat the most powerful machine in new jersey just to ascend. they made a oscar nominated documentary about it. this stanford guy can win. this ain't about, to me, just beating donald trump. that's a floor. what i'm calling for is much bigger aspirations than just beating donald trump because there are a lot of problems in my neighborhood, my inner city neighborhood, like wages stagnated, gun violence, like criminal justice system that's broken. like climate change and

environmental justice that were going on before donald trump. i'm looking for a presidential candida candidate that will bring us bigger dreams and bolder actions. that's kind of leader i intend to be. if i'm the nominee, i will beat donald trump but also call for us as americans to stand taller, to fight harder and to win bigger victories that have a lot more to do about people than politics. >> a two-part question here. the house speaker spoke in california and there was a claren call that emerged from the audience, impeach, impeach, they said. two questions here. the first, have you ever hread mueller report? and the second part, are you in favor of revising the wording that a sitting president can't be indicted? >> i read the mueller report and it shows a president who literally during his cam