environmental justice that were going on before donald trump. i'm looking for a presidential candida candidate that will bring us bigger dreams and bolder actions. that's kind of leader i intend to be. if i'm the nominee, i will beat donald trump but also call for us as americans to stand taller, to fight harder and to win bigger victories that have a lot more to do about people than politics. >> a two-part question here. the house speaker spoke in california and there was a claren call that emerged from the audience, impeach, impeach, they said. two questions here. the first, have you ever hread mueller report? and the second part, are you in favor of revising the wording that a sitting president can't be indicted? >> i read the mueller report and it shows a president who literally during his campaign his team was willing to meet

with a foreign adversary to undermine your election. as mueller said, it points to obstruction of justice. the president of the united states is not above the law. he's not a dictator in chief. this constitution was designed with checks and balances and he's refusing to let them happen because he's refusing to comply with legitimate inquiry. that's why i call for us to begin impeachment proceedings so we have more leverage to expose the truth. mueller did what he has to do. it's time for congress to do what we have to do. for this president not to comply with congress, that alone in the nixon era was one of the articles of impeachment. and so it's time for us to start impeachment proceedings because this president is not above the law. we have a constitution to protect. history is going to look back on this moment and say what did we do when a president was full counting the will of congress, acting more like an authoritarian dictator than someone subject to the laws of

this nation. we should begin impeachment proceedings so we can get to the truth and expose what really happened when this president was campaigning and what he did when he was under investigation. >> joining us to talk about his call for new gun policy changes and fielding other questions as well, the junior senator from new jersey, cory booker u democratic candidate for president. thank you very much for the time. >> thank you, and all the best to you. an update on the mass shooting in virginia beach in just a moment. but we want to stay in california here where the majority of democratic presidential candidates are gathered for the state democratic party's convention. that event attracted the largest gathering of contenders, but there's a glaring absence, former vice president joe biden didn't make the pilgrimage to san francisco. we have shaq brewster with us. what have the candidates been talking about and what are the policies they've been talking

about to prospective voters in california today? >> hi, david. yes, senator amy klobuchar in "s" on stage right now. she's delivered her big idea as all the candidates have been doing so. there's been 80s presidential candidates that have come and spoken to this group at the move on presidential forum. there was an intense moment as senator kamala harris was on stage. she was about to take a question. listen to this moment now. >> hey, hey, hey. >> hi, hi, hi. just a minute, sir. >> i'm asking for your attention. >> thank you so much, sir, for your big idea. but we want to make sure that we are able to get through this. okay, it's okay, folks. it's okay. >> and you see how that moment struck some fear in audience members here. but the candidates have been

talking about their big ideas. we've been hearing things like senator sanders saying he wants to end endless wars. you heard other candidates like kirsten gillibrand talk about her paid family leave plan. each candidate has been giving their big idea they want to help change the country with. and then shifting focus and talking about all these progressive issues like climate change, education, health care, activists have been telling me they not only are focused on big ideas and the poillicies, but they're listening to the follow-through, how are they going to get these things done. that's something they're listening for. yes, they want to defeat donald trump come november, come this next election, but they want to be able to make sure these ideas that are getting people excited, they'll actually get done once the presumed democratic candidate gets into the white house. >> shaq, stay with us. at that point in time turn on ali vitaly now. ali, i don't know if you caught my conversation with senator cory booker, but i gather his call for gun policy reforms is

one that resonated in san francisco for the democratic convention. >> yeah, absolutely, david. he was one of a few candidates that got a really big reaction for talking about policy here on stage. cory booker laying out his big push or gun control which is something he reiterated here. he talks about regularly on the campaign trail about it. other candidates, though, who got big receptions included elizabeth warren and mayor pete buttigieg who were talking in different ways about their argument for how they are electable in this crowded field to a group of people whose top concern is beating donald trump. they are willing, in my conversations, so almost sacrifice on policy if it means getting someone who's electable. in the case of elizabeth warren, she made the case being known for having a plan while saying she has a plan for what a warren

democratic party would look like and lead the democratic party into 2020. and then there was another candidate who was here, john hickenlooper who got a different reaction when he talked about warning of socialism in the democratic field. he brought it here and was booed for that. before he talked on stage, i caught up with him and asked him if he would be open to changing the doj guidance about indicting a sitting president. he was open but not enthusiastic about the idea. some of his competitors like elizabeth warren are. >> ali vitaly and shaquille brewster joining us in san francisco for the state democratic convention. thank you both very much for the time on this saturday. i'm going to turn to senator richard blumenthal of connecticut, member of the senate judiciary committee and he joins us now. if we could, senator, i would like to start with gun violence. i don't know if you heard from your colleague, cory booker, calling for major action on gun policy in this country, what happened here behind me in

virginia beach, just another example of the need to do this. i want to get your reaction to the killing that happened here yesterday and how that advances the conversation about changes to gun policy in the u.s. >> like everyone else, my hearts and thoughts go out to the people of this wonderful community, the loved ones particularly who have lost friends and relatives. but thoughts and prayers are no longer enough. we know that there are actions we can take, common sense actions that connecticut has done, and they've worked because they've reduced gun violence and the shootings and the deaths. we know only too well from our experience at sandy hook and newton where there's going to be a rally tomorrow, that we can make progress by universal background checks, a ban on assault weapons, sales of high-capacity magazines, an emergency risk the direction

order statute that takes guns away from people who may be indicating they're going to take lives as possibly this shooter did because he was a fired employee, and other measures like a safe storage law, ethan's law, named after a young man, ethan song, who was accidentally killed at a friend's home when they were playing with guns. there's no single solution and no single state can do it because guns cross state lines. and that's why a national federal approach is necessary. but congress has been complicit by its inaction, and we know also there will be the opportunity. the house of representatives have passed a universal background check law that the senate has not taken up. it must. >> i appreciate what you're saying about the state level versus the federal level. what do you say to the constituent who looks at connecticut or maryland or new york and has given up hope

for the federal government to do anything? >> great question, and it's the question of the moment. there's a really powerful answer to it. in the 2018 election, gun violence prevention was on the ballot last time, and it won. gun violence prevention won in the kinds of new representatives, members of agrees that came to washington, d.c. they campaigned on this issue. they made it part of their platform. for perhaps the first time on such a large scale. so we know that this movement is working. we've created a movement. groups like every town for gun safety, moms demand action, sandy hook. we are winning, breaking the vice-like dprip of the nra and the gun lobby. >> senator, last question on an

unrelated note about impeachment. no doubt you've seen the comments the attorney general gave to cbs news and you heard of what happened with the michael flynn transcript. there is this growing conversation about impeachment. senators calling for it, now more than 50 members of the house calling for it as well. help us continued conversation broadly within the democratic party about this. we tend to focus on what's happening in the house discretely from the senate. >> my perspective is that we have a common goal. whatever our minor differences, our common goal is holding the president accountable. it may be through the courts, and there's still a possibility of criminal prosecution after he leaves. maybe through the congress in impeachment. may be through the court of public opinion, the ballot box. but our common goal is accountability and we should begin hearings right away. call them whatever you would like, an impeachment inquiry, an oversight inquiry, but robert

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. presidential hopefuls have been weighing in on the tragic shooting in virginia beach, offering prayers and pointing to a larger problem the country cannot seem to solve. former vice president joe biden pointed out via twitter that gun violence happens every day, not just when it makes headlines. booker is also weighing in, echoing what the former vice president said. here's what he told me just moments ago. >> when i see us as a nation see another mass shooting like we saw in virginia beach and seemingly lacking the kind of courageous empathy and outrage actually channel it into changing laws we all know would make us safer, it's unacceptable to me. but thoughts and prayers, i was taught that faith without works

is dead. thoughts and prayers for me are just not enough. we need laws, policies, changes made. >> senator cory booker. joining me is rick tyler, a republican strategist and msnbc political analyst. also felipe ryanness and cohost of the podcast unredacted. felipe, let me start with you and get your reaction to what you saw from senator cory booker. how much faith he's placing in this issue. he said this isn't about politics but it's certainly a political plank that will be central to his campaign, it seems. >> you know, watching senator booker and senator blumenthal before him and seeing the backdrop of the california democratic convention just reinforces how the democrats running for president would be better on this typical than any republican, particularly this republican. this isn't directed at either of

the senators or vice president biden, but we always say how the time of talking about thoughts and prayers aren't enough. it's no longer enough to talk about how thoughts and prayers aren't enough. i think what would be interesting to hear from the candidates would be what they're prepared to do to force gun legislation. for instance, i am sure by this time tuesday there will be a number of piece of legislation the house puts forward on smart, common sense gun control that other countries have used, like states like connecticut have used that have helped. i guarantee you that mitch mcconnell would not have given them any kind of air time. what do we do not? we have five senators in the race and 49 in the senate. they should stop every single nominee. they should stop everything they can and attach everything they can to every piece of legislation. you know what? this is a good thing too. make them deal with this or make them go on the record and say no, because what are we going to

debate now, how suppressers are okay. this is what we're dealing with. >> like tylers, let me have you react to the point, that you have legislation in the house that could be debated in the senate and it's not happening. it's something we heard from senator booker as well, his frustration with the fact that there has been legislation related to gun policy that has passed that is dead on arrival when it comes to the senate. >> look, i have a very different point of view about this. i'm for universal background checks, but i'm not sure this would have changed anything in this situation. i think the story is going to get uglier before it gets better. it's a horrible thing. i am a gun owner and every time one of these things happens, it is just -- it's horrible because all the gun owners i know, ask

most gun owners, 99% of them are very good people. it always gets back to being redirected to guns are bad, therefore, the people who own guns are bad. senator blumenthal actually said that this person, this employee was fired. david, do you know if he was fired? i have conflicting reports. >> we do not know the motive for the shooting. that's been speculated upon. that's something we haven't heard from investigators. >> i hear about common sense gun regulation, i hear about it being tied up in the congress. i can see there are things we can do, but by and large in a free society, people have guns. there are millions of them out there. people will get ahold of guns, and you have a situation now where -- i believe this was a city government building. and this employee had access to that building. if he was fired and had access to that building, the city is culpable for that. even if he wasn't fired and had

access to that building, i'm going to guess that we're going to find out something that the city is going to be culpable of that. not only did the city not defend their employees, the city wouldn't allow their employees to defend themselves. and that is people who choose to use the second amendment like myself to protect themselves were not allowed to do that. >> rick, you don't want to get distracted by this incident in particular. it's a spring board but i'm talking about a catalyst for a broader conversation about gun policy. >> let me broaden it out then. >> something like this can distract us from having a conversation where there might be common ground? there are millions of gun owners like me. they may or may not be members of the nra. i have been, but i'm not. they vote on this issue and they don't see themselves as when these tragic things happen that this horrible, despicable human being did this to other people,

that all the politicians point toward gun owners like me and say you're the problem. >> felipe -- >> it's the total opposite. no one is pointing at you. if you have a gun, i think that's great. the problem is it becomes a false conversation about the minute we want someone to not have a magazine with 17 rounds in it, that we want to abolish the second amendment. >> look, it's hard to debate guns with people who don't shoot guns. i've had 28 hours of -- >> i have a firearm permit. that has nothing to do with it. >> you know that 17 is a common magazine size. >> i don't have an ar-15 with a bump stock. >> i don't think anyone should have one. >> okay, so why is ar15 ownership still an issue? >> i don't know. >> i own an ar15, it's a very good gun. i would never think of taking it against another human being.

when i grew up and i was in school, in high school, you could go down to the parking lot during hunting season and see guns in the gun racks. but nobody in my high school ever thoughts of taking a gun and turning it on another human being. that's something we're not talking about. it always goes toward let's talk about the guns, but let's never talk about the person who would take up a gun and turn it on another human being. >> we can walk and chew gum at the same time. >> all i'm saying is -- >> gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen. rick, you were an nra member and now you're not. as you listen to senator cory booker talk about this moment, part of how he sees the moment is there's a weakened gun lobby in this country. you have read the articles about how corrupt the nra is. >> i was -- from the former president, yes. >> what does that say you to at this moment? is it a moment of weakness and how does that change the opportunity to have a

conversation along the lines we're talking about? >> have people who have unenrolled from the nra -- i learned to shoot when i was seven years old under an nra program at the ymca camp. it was an organization that taught young people how to respect guns and how to be safe with a firearm. and its mission has changed. and so you don't support the nra and i wouldn't support them unless they changed. that does not change the fact that there are millions of gun owners who are responsible gun owners around the country who cory booker -- he names guns by names or their characteristics of guns he owns. you have this sicko who took a gun against other human beings. >> rick, you didn't buy your gun presumably in the back of a truck at a gun show. yet we debate over and over again. >> those are loopholes. >> i would support a universal background check.

>> but someone is stopping republicans in congress from doing it. i don't know what the gap is between reasonable gun owners like you and the bulk of gun owners in the country probably, and republicans in the united states congress who just won't take this up. >> and i would like to work with people -- >> ten seconds. >> i would like to work with anybody who could help real solutions to keep people from being killed in this way again. >> we'll see if we hear that from the senate majority leader. i really appreciate the time. coming up, a live interview with the vice mayor of virginia beach. president trump spoke to him in the aftermath of the shooting here yesterday. -we bought a house in a neighborhood with a lot of other young couples. then we noticed something...strange.

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. welcome back to our continuing coverage of the mass shooting here in virginia beach where a gunman shot and killed 12 men and women in the municipal building. it was a deadliest shooting in the united states this year and in virginia beach's history. police say the suspect, a 15-year employee of the city walked into the virginia beach municipal center and began firing with two 45 caliber miss

tolls. he was later struck by police and died. four others were injured as well as a police officer whose bulletproof vest was hit by police gunfire. let's bring in vice mayor of virginia beach, jim wood, who spoke with president trump today. he shared this on twitter, but what did he ask, and what did you want to tell him? >> he did mention that obviously his thoughts and prayers were with us. he did mention that his family has roots here. his father developed some property here years ago and he enjoyed the area. but he offered the federal assistance, anything we needed, and we thanked him for the federal assistance we have. you see the fbi in and out of this building nonstop for two days. and so we're certainly grateful. >> on that give us your perspective on that. we heard from your colleagues today about the role that the atf and the fbi is playing in this investigation. what does that federal help look like and do you need more?

>> you know, i tell you, right now, i think, we've got the assistance that we need from th them. down the road there may be financial issues or something like that, but right now we have the atf tracking the firearms, fbi processing the crime scene and assisting our detectives. >> we're now more than 24 hours after this took place. give us a sense of where things stand, the forensic investigation? >> that's going to be ongoing for probably another three or four days would be my guess. obviously there are still victims in the hospital that we're concerned about. and then we have the families of the victims here. we have employees who were impacted by this, police who saw their friends murdered in front of them and injured. so it's a long-term healing process. >> i was struck by that in both

of those press conferences, the emphasis on the need for help. help us understand that, the emphasis being placed that there's a need for conversations to happen and for help to happen. >> it's important because these employees, they're not just employees. they're not just faceless people. they interact with the public. as we talked, this is an operations building. this is where people get to get their meters and building permits. these are people that interact with the public and they're not just faceless names. they are, in fact, real people that we want to take care of. we take care of our city employees here, and they're part of the family. you know, there's no coincidence that we don't call them employees. they're called members of the team. when stuff goes out, we talk about the membership. that's an important distinction. >> the governor of the commonwealth was at the last press conference and he talked

about making it so that the business of this place could continue as all of this unfolds. as you were describing, this is a vital part of everyday life here in virginia beach. what does it look like from that perspective? how does the work continue as the investigation continues? >> so there's an ongoing logistical component to determine where things can move so business can continue in the city. obviously bringing the security for money because they're taking money in there, being able to access computers and things like that. so it's a big logistical situation which there are a group of people doing nothing but focusing. >> on that has any of the reaction surprised you. when you look at the flowers that are there, there's a makeshift memorial, the outpouring we've seen, this gofundme page that people from all over the country, indeed the

world are donating to. does that surprise you? >> not a bit. virginia beach residents are very engaged. they're great volunteers. we have the largest volunteer ems system in the country. we have 1,000 volunteers. we upstaffed because of this tragedy. we heard from all over the world, our sister cities in germany and the philippines have reached out to us. a local bank donated $500,000 today, a local car dealership donated $25,000 today. that's what it is in virginia beach. we are a community and this is a horrible, horrible thing for us, but our citizens know to pull together. this does not surprise me at all. >> last question. i went over to buy water at the grocery store and saw vb strong written on the windows at the waffle house and every shop in the complex. what does that mean? what does that phrase mean to you? >> you'll see a lot more of that, i think. our citizens have taken that and

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welcome back. kicked off a three-day state visit to the van dyke and the president is already ginning up controversy. the president weighed in on the contest to replace theresa may as prime minister and stopped just short of endorsing former foreign secretary boris johnson. >> the leader of the labor party jeremy corbyn tweeting president trump's attempt to desai s.d.i. who will be the next prime minister is an entirely unacceptable interference in our

democracy. the next pm should be chosen not by the u.s. president or tori party members but by the british people in a general election. the president is also sparking criticism for a comment he made about the duchess of sussex, meghan markle. >> she said she would move to canada and you got elected. >> a lot of people moving here. so what can i say. no i didn't know she was nasty. >> joining me is bloomberg's chief washington correspondent, kevin certi kevin. help us understand. theresa may's tenure as prime minister coming to a close. >> president trump likes to say that he is mr. brexit in many ways, and that he was part of the global movement, a pop you list that helped propel the likes of brexit across the pond, as they say, and domestically

here with the rise of president trump. on the issue of trade policy, this is also something that is likely going to come up. the u.k. has a lot of questions about how the u.s. is negotiating a host of different trade negotiations and on national security, of course, the president's proposals regarding nato as well as other international agreements or his lack of support for international agreements likely going to come up as well. >> yeah, i have questions about that as well. we'll get to trade in a moment. look at the last state visit the president took to japan and people asked why he was making that trip. it did not have specific policy objectives. is this different? what can we expect to come out of this trip the president's taking? >> such a great question because when the swearing in of the new emperor in japan, shinzo abe essentially said it was like their version of the super bowl,

so it helped to lure president trump over there to negotiate. i can't make it up, david. but then you got with the u.k. it's a much different dynamic ju just given the geopolitics of the special relationship with the u.s. and the u.k. the u.k. has a lot of questions right now in terms of how the u.s. is going to be negotiating around the world and, again, on the issue of national security and on the issue of nato in particular, getting countries to pay their fair share. that is conversation that will continue. and the relationship between prime minister theresa may and president trump has been, to put it mildly, tense, to say the least. >> you mentioned these trade policies and the one we're focusing on now are these tariffs the president says he's going to put in place june 10th on goods made in mexico. help me understand the broader ramifications on that. you're getting to that.

there are countries watching this unfold and wondering if the u.s. is a fair deal-maker, they sit down at the table with the u.s., are they going to be dealing with a fair negotiator? >> well, it's such a great point. it's the concerns we're hearing not just from global counterparts but from republicans. republicans, republicans, the president's own party who have a lot of concerns about these tariffs. i'm interviewed countless republicans, many of whom saying wait a minute, this is not going to be impacting the small businesses, forget about big businesses for a second. small businesses around the country that are in the supply chain that are impacted by this. i was struck by this. vice president mike pence was in ottawa with canadian prime minister justin trudeau. he all but guaranteed the passage of nafta 2.0. very different landscape whether or not speaker pelosi is going to be able to usher that in. but then less than 24 hours later tariff policy by tweet where the president says he's

going to raise tariffs up to 25%. now, behind the scenes i talked to sources connected to the trade developments who work with this white house on trade who say they think the president just wanted to get everybody's attention, maybe even put pressure on these moderate democrats to get usmca over the finish line. but publicly, forget about political polls for a second. just take a look at the markets and what the street did last week. it was a roller coaster ride up on wall street. >> give us your forecast given all of that, kevin, of what happens between now and june 10th. some of these big business groups, the business round table, the chamber of commerce are threatening legal action against the executive branch for imposing the tariffs being talked about here. what's your sense if that is going to get to the president? >> they're talking about the international economic powers agreement which is a policy that would allow for the president to do this. there's some judicial arguments as to whether or not the

president is within his powers to be able to do that. most people say that he is, but either way, to have republicans questioning this, republicans pressing this, is fascinating to say the least. i think you have look at the forecast for usmca, the politics from the 2020 shadow of senator bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, how they play into this is what i'm watching for in the short term. >> kevin, thank you very much, i appreciate it. coming up, attorney general bill barr not mincing words about special counsel robert mueller as the calls for impeachment get louder in california and across the country.

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convention. >> the president's campaign welcomed russian interference in the election and the report lays out 11 instances of possible obstruction of justice by the president of the united states.. as -- i've fold you this is like coming home for me. >> our next guest now nbc legal analyst danny sovalis, and i'm going to cut a tape here. we talked about having hearings, didn't use the "i" word as it's been called by the president. here's donald trump had to say about the "i" word, impeachment. >> to me it's a dirty word, the word impeach. it's a dirty, filthy disgusting word and it had nothing to do with me. >> so that's the president's perspective but you do hear this from democrats or a variation on that theme from democrats who

say they don't want to impeach, don't use the word impeach or impeachment proceedings but want to do along the lines of impeachment. help me understand that. >> it's very easy for folks at home to say impeached to the television set, but they're not putting any skin in the game the way congress people are if they initiate impeachment proceedings like members of the house. ultimately they will be politically liable if those impeachment proceedings go to the senate, and as expected anything short of a major felony the senate is not going to convict the president and then remove him. so you have all these house democrats who may be talking impeachment, and perhaps the prudent thing to do is simply talk about it, hopes that it saps at the president's political power or at least in the upcoming election. and then if impeachment proceedings are never brought at least you've raised that specter going into the 2020 election. but the reality is absent a very serious felony and a smoking

gun, then this senate is simply not going to convict and remove the president. no matter how long the house talks about impeachment or initiates impeachment hearings. >> danny, let me ask you about the dissonance we've seen between bill barr behind the podium at the department of justice and bill barr fireside chat with crawford of cbs news, the memo that seemed to underpin not to indict the president of the united states. your read between that seeming disconnect of what we saw with the attorney general initially about that and what we heard in that interview with cbs news. >> i'd have to go back even earlier than that to the early minutes after the mueller report was released and just after barr gave that very brief press conference. as all that cur scurry to read the mueller report early on you realized this isn't exactly what

barr said. yes, the conclusions that the end of the day are the same, no obstruction, but certainly not the same reasons. in short mueller said from the outset i could not convict or charge or indict the president for obstruction, therefore i'm just going to collect a bunch of facts. barr, north dakota, criticized that decision by mueller and said if you're not going to do it, i'll take those facts and in my opinion, no obstruction. and that conflict, obviously it's a lot more complex than that. but that is at the core of the barr-mueller conflict now. >> danny, always great to talk to you joining me today from new york. well, coming up the lives of 12 people cut short after the mass shooting from virginia beach. we're going to bring you their stories next. we're going to bring you their stories next ♪ i want it that way... i can't believe it.

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beach leave a void that the city will never be able to fill. nbc correspondent hanz nichols has more. >> reporter: i'm hans nichols. as this city grapples with inexplicable loss. >> today we all grieve. >> reporter: city officials held an emotional news conference announcing the deaths of their own colleagues. >> they leave a void that we will never be able to fill.

>> reporter: all but one of the 12 killed worked for the city of virginia beach. with 41 years of service in the public utilities department bobby williams was the longest serving employee. christopher rapp at only 11 months was the newest. he found friends playing the bagpipes for the tidewater pipe and drums. >> walking into band practice wearing his work clothes and changing in the bathrooms ed ready to start sweating with the rest of us blowing pipes and beating drums. >> reporter: josh larhardy work for the city for 4 1/2 years. >> the world truly needs more joshuas. >> reporter: richard nettleton worked on the city bikes and trail plan. >> worked over 28 years, served with me as a lieutenant in germany in the 130th engineer brigade. >> reporter: alexander gusev,

katherine nixon, and ryan cox, all serving the city gnat now mourns them. a contractor trying to fill a permit was killed. four victims remain in the hospitals, ones injuries described as devastating. >> senseless. and as much as virginia beach is a city it's got a small town heart. >> reporter: thanks to my colleague hans nichols for that report. and that does it for me. as we heard today from the mayor of this city, the chief of police, as the investigation into what happened here on friday continues, this community rededicates itself to the spirit of volunteerism and service we have heard so much about to letting the world know this attack cannot and will not define this city. and at the same time this community dedicates itself newly to making sure everyone knows about those 12 men and women whose lives were cut short so

senselessly, so early. and we commit ourselves to helping them do that as our coverage from virginia beach continues. saturday night politics it donny deutsche is up next. back tomorrow at 8:00 eastern time from 8:00 to 10:00 eastern time. this is msnbc. good evening. i'm donny deutsch, and there's exactly 521 days until the 2020 presidential election, and tonight we break down the week's top stories and how they are strategically shaping the battle for the white house in 2020. tonight do democrats have a case of post-mueller depression after mueller's nonconclusive statement? plus the untouchable president. mueller did not indict trump on obstruction citing doj guidelines. does that mean a sitting president can never be indicted? and joe biden's huge early lead in the polls bodes well for the former vice president or