enduring lesson is how not to be a human being. that's all for this edition of "dateline" pp thanks for watching. good morning. i'm phillip mena in new york. it's 6:00 in the east. 3:00 out west. here's what's happening. victims identified, a community shattered after the tragedy in virginia beach. this is my home. you touched my heart. when you touched the people of our city. this should not happen in virginia beach, it shouldn't happen any any city in the united states of america. sadly it does. >> the stories of the victims and the questions investigators are trying to answer. >> why is it the president won't

defend us from this foreign threat? >> nancy pelosi talking about truth and democracy. but not the word impeachment. plus, the president britain-bound. the welcome he'll get and the heed lines he's already getting. . the family of the suspect posting a note on the front door of his house offering condolences to the victims' families but offers no idea why he did what he did. survivors are sharing stories of chaos and sadness that began with the city engineer open fire on his coworkers. >> i heard the gunshot and people yelling at the shooter,

close the door, so i locked myself inside my office. we let this happen again and again and again. several coworkers come in early yesterday morning. they were laughing. we were talking to each other and at the end of the day, they couldn't get home forever. that's the saddest day in my life. >> they're doing everything they can. it's emotional because the victims were well known. this is a huge city but in many ways this happened in a small town community here at the municipal city. you're right, they were city

employees, public servants. people who went to work and never came home. the horror of what happened consumed virginia beach as they learned the identities of who had been lost. >> who works in public works for over seven years. >> city employees, and a private contractor gunned down in their offices by a coworker. >> i lost friends and family, close church members. our prayer is that we're able to move forward and be able to trust again. >> reporter: investigators say the first call came in after 4:00 zoom a lady on the stair, unconscious, blood. we didn't know what happened. >> reporter: the shooter with 15 years on the job, police refusing to speculate about his

motive. 4:19, officer hit. >> officer hit. >> reporter: the he survived because of a bullet proof best. victims discovered on each of the building's third floor. >> this is a large-scale crime scene. it's a horrific crime scene. police understand it takes not only a physical, ee moelgsal and psychological toll on everyone. >> reporter: as residents paid their respects to a memorial, the officers being hailed as heroes who saved many lives while those who lost loved ones struggle to understand why.

victims for terrible acts on friday. that will remain in effect until tuesday. fallout from the white house. presidential candidate and senator cory booker told california democrats this moment requires congress to think beyond politics. >> it is time for us as a nation not to normalize the carnage of gun violence. it is time we come together and stand together and take a fight to the nra. and the corporate gun lobby. like we have never seen before. we can lead that fight. and we can win. >> connecticut senator richard blumenthal told nbc some states

can reduce gun violence. >> we can make progress by universal background check, bans on sales, high-capacity magazines, emergency risk protection order statue that takes guns from people that could -- but congress has been complicit by its inaction. developing today, democrats divided over the moral versus political considerations of starting an impeachment inquiry more than 50 democrats in congress and one republican support impeachment but the house speaker who is resisting calls for impeachment grew loud cries of "impeach" at the democratic convention but nancy pelosi did not utter the "i" word once. >> i tell you this, president trump will be held accountable

in the congress, in the ports and in the port of public opinion. we will defend our democracy. >> one of the first members of congress to introduce articles of impeachment acted in real time to nancy pelosi. al green fears president trump will react in paralysis of analyses. >> i see history starting to drive this. i see people who were reluctant and rekals trant initially who are starting to realize they must do their constitutionally required duty, and that is move forward with impeachment. >> senator and presidential canada harris says the time is now. >> he obstructed justice and then hired an attorney general to clean up the crime scene.

we need to begin impeachment proceedings and we need a new commander in chief. >> joining me now, senior politics reporter with "business insider" and daniel lippman co-author of political's playbook. good morning to you both. >> good morning. a journalist suggested on our air there's some incremental progress on the state level as they finesse the message while the national rifle association is facing leadership and financial turmoil. would that make a difference in congress? is capitol hill even slightly closer to passing any gun control legislation? >> it seems unlikely as of now, as it has been for count ms years, countless lost lives and congress hasn't made any progress. many gun control advocates have point to measures on a state level that could potentially make progress. as we saw even in virginia,

governor ralph northam was if favor of these restrictive gun measures. >> what's your take on whether on the state level, that the cumulative effects of all of these shootings may change the political appear tite for gun reform? >> those state lawmakers are also afraid of the nra. if you're trying to keep gun restrictions in place or expand them slightly, you're going to run up against the nra's state lobbying situation. there's a lobbyist for them in florida, hammer who has been written up in "the new yorker" for his efforts to stop gun restrictions in the sunshine state. she's been very effective. so, you look at virginia, the nra is located in fairfax, virginia, for 20 years democrats have been trying to put modest

gun restrictions. they have failed almost every time. >> according to exit polls, after last year's mid-term elections, most voters were talking 59% support stricter gun control nationwide. we just heard from some presidential candidates advocating for gun control. how big of an issue is gun control in the policy proposals of the 2020 democratic candidates? >> i think it is a top issue, but climate change and the economy are bigger issues and inequality and addressing the high price of college tuition and, you know, health care issues. that are more important for those 2020 democratic candidates. and i think the issue with gun control, even though every democrat supports it, it's lower down on the priority list. and they would only get to it in

a more modest way if they have complete control of congress, too. they're not going to do gun control as their number one issue if they are elected in 2020. >> we didn't hear them talking too much about it until friday's tragedy. i want to pivot to the other political topic today, a big political topic, itch peoplement. senator blumenthal. >> our common goal is holding the president accountable. we should begin hearings right away. call them whatever you'd like, an impeachment inquiry, oversight inquiry. most americans will never read that 450 page report. they're not going to read the book. they need to see the movie. robert mueller is that movie. >> would the democrats calling specifically for an impeachment inquiry be satisfied with that argument of oversight inquiry? >> it's difficult toll say at this point, but nancy pelosi is

arguably the least envied politician in washington because of the political tight rope she's walking where she's saying, we need to investigate and not itch peoplmpeach. my colleague and i reported on that this week, kind of exploring about how robert mueller said during his public statement on wednesday, even if he were subpoenaed and asked to testify before congress, he wouldn't go beyond what was put in the report. as blumenthal point out, only 3% of americans have read the entire document. a lot of the public got their information from what the media reported. if you're part of the more conservative media, you've probably been misled about what the special counsel found. having robert mueller come out

and testify and read out loud a lot of his findings, in many ways it actually makes those conclusions more salient. it gives them more credibility. >> sits there in front of congress and reads it out loud, you're saying that would be more effective -- as you say, 3% of americans have read that report. debbie dingell has this reservation talking about impeachment. >> there's a very -- a theme throughout this report about how russia is trying to divide this country. i don't to want play into russia's hands and divide this country more with a partisan impeachment. i'm totally skenz frenic about what's in there. we have to do this in a bipartisan way. >> that sounds like an excuse not to impeach. is it a fair assessment to say some democrats are putting political strategy over morality when it comes to impeachment? >> i think democrats including

nancy pelosi are putting political reality over what the base would want, which is you don't have the republican votes in the senate to actually convict president trump. so why launch a likely failed effort to impeach the president when that could hurt the party's chances in 2020. if pelosi is doing more of a political analysis which indicates trump would get much stronger if you have a failed effort because his supporters would view it as kind of a coup and they would rally around someone they would view as the victim when this guy is the most powerful man in the world. he would still paint himself as the victim since he has done since the mueller inquiry launched. i think that's where democrats are thinking, you know, he's been president for 2 1/2 years.

and an impeachment effort would take another year and could only help the republican nominee. so, that's -- it just feels like those democrats who are arguing for impeachment, they are throwing red meat. if you actually put them on truth serum, i don't know how many of them would actually be saying that if they weren't running for president. >> the first poll taken after robert mueller made that public statement this week found a majority do not support impeachment, but most democrats do. are democrats skeptical of impeachment, being convicted at all by the argument impeachment inquiry will eventually generate public support? >> yeah, that's part of the question here, it's part of the difficulty that a lot of democratic lawmakers are making, is that a majority of the country or a significant portion of the country at least do not support impeachment, but the -- it's interesting what people

like jerry nadler have said recently, they support impeachment inquiry, which is not launching impeachment proceedings but an inquiry that could lead to impeachment. >> what can be gained from that? >> it comes down to a lot of the distinction between the political considerations like daniel noted. the reality that a lot of the country doesn't support impeachment and doing legitimate congressional oversight. what nancy pelosi brought up this week, which is interesting because i don't think she's mentioned it before, part of the reason they want to pursue the investigation path instead of impeachment path as of now, in the event of impeachment, they want to have as iron clad a case against the president as possible because there is a

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a noted departure from the trump legal team. leaving is emmet flood. he's expected to depart later this month. meanwhile, debate rages over whether robert mueller could have come to a conclusion on charging the president with obstruction. in an interview this past week, attorney general william barr seems to think so. >> i personally felt he could have reached the opinion. the opinion says you can indict a president while he's in office, but he could have reached the decision if it was in criminal activity. >> under long-standing department policy, a president k cannot be charged with a federal crime while in office. charging the president was therefore not an option. >> joining me, katie phang, msnbc legal contributor. good morning. >> good morning. >> do you think robert mueller should have been more explicit

on his conclusion on obstruction? should he directly said the president, based on the evidence, was guilty, we just couldn't indict him based on the guidelines? >> i think mueller would have been damned if he or didn't. i think it's disingenuous for attorney general barr should have come to some kind of conclusion. we know if robert mueller had put into the report, i would have indicted donald trump but for the fact he's the sitting president of the united states, he would have been completely exco exkoe excoriated by republicans for putting it in the report. but if mueller had said, this office of legal counsel opinion says i can't do it, oops, i'm sorry, it's like let me walk the grenade and walk away. that's not robert mueller's style. i think what he did that nobody can say is controverted, he gave

the democrats and gave congress a road map to basically look into obstruction and come to a conclusion as to whether or not he should pursue impeachme proceedings against donald trump. i was disappointed when robert mueller spoke on wednesday. i thought we could get a little more insight. robert mueller is a rule of law man. he doesn't want to speak a lot. he's avoided the public spotlight. he's not somebody like, perhaps, james comey who hasn't shied away from it. robert mueller left us with this head-scratching on wednesday and he didn't advance the ball per se one way or another. i will say this, robert mueller's language, his speech, his tone and what he said on wednesday did direct attorney barr's statement from originally there was no there there. >> here's what attorney general had to say about his and rod

rosenstein. >> we didn't agree with the legal analysis, a lot of the legal analysis in the report did not reflect the views of the department. it was a view or views of a particular lawyer. so, we applied what we thought was the right law. many of the instances would not amount to obstruction. >> in an unusual prosecutorial setting, is it unusual to make a case for presidential indictment if there is no underlying crime? >> there's this huge legal misconception that needs to be cleared up. there is no requirement, because that's what you hear from the trump surrogates, that there was no conclusion how can you possibly have an obstruction crime? you can do obstruction of justice without having the underlying crime of occlusion. you can attempt to impede an investigation by telling people not to cooperate, not to show up, not to speak.

you can try to get rid of robert mueller as special counsel and that will be this concept of no collusion, no obstruction of justice is a legal fiction. it's been completely debunked. it doesn't exist. shouldn't be propagated. the thing with him saying he and rosenstein didn't come to the same conclusion as robert mueller. different minds can come to different conclusions. the job of robert mueller as special counsel was to investigate. he made it clear that he can't indict a sitting president so he didn't indict a sitting president. >> it appears mueller was leaning towards obstructing justice on the president's remarks. in his remarks this week, he said when a justice obstructs -- he didn't say if.

he said he choses his language particularly. how is it barr and mueller seem to have seen this obstruction question so differently? >> i think you have to look at it through the lens of why attorney general bill barr was picked for that job. we do know he auditioned for the job. he sent an 18-plus memorandum to donald trump saying how a sitting president can't be indicted, this is a witch hunt, so he won the job that was coveted, he got the job. beyond that, what did robert mueller say? we want him to testify to konl, offer more enlightenment. he's not going to want to do that because he said on wednesday, my report is my testimony. the report i've created is my testimony. if we look at the language of the report, i agree, it is not an if there was an obstruction of justice, it was committed.

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now to the morning headlines. forecasters are warning people in the midwest to prepare for the rapidly rising water as more rain is expected this week. in arkansas a levee gave out this weekend, forcing the evacuation of many of the 4700 residents. the arkansas river is swallowing up roads, homes and farmland and expected to crest on tuesday. >> i want to apologize for putting anybody in harm's way. >> a week after her dramatic rescue, a recovering amanda eller is apologizing for her actions, taking responsibility for what she says is irresponsible. the hiker was lost for 17 days in a hawaiian forest and had to be air lifted to a hospital. she went for what she hoped would be a short walk without

her food, water or cell phones. the president is heading overseas with a packed schedule. on monday he'll be welcomed by the queen and prince charles at buckingham palace. he on tuesday he meets with theresa may and uk leaders and on wednesday he'll attend commemoration ceremonies for d-day. joining me is bobby gosh. what are the expectations for president trump's visit? >> well, there's -- there will be the usual pomp and circumstance that attends any presidential visit but most of the interesting stuff will be taking place on the sidelines. there is that giant blimp of baby trump that will be making its presence felt in the city all the stand-up comics in this country have been sharpening their laugh lines for weeks

ahead of this. and there's a general atmosphere of, what's the right word to use, mirth and laughter. there's some annoyance that he described meghan markle as nasty. the president has a well understood track record of saying object surd things. >> that was in response to him in 2016. president trump has had a complicated relationship with outgoing british prime minister theresa may. a new "atlantic" article makes the case he's undermined her and bullied her. now that she's on the way out, how do you think this trip will go? >> she did her falling on the sword by staying on long enough to greet the president which

prevents her successor by going through that embarrassing ritual. i don't think there's much love loss between the two of them. he clearly didn't see her as somebody to respect. he has stated his preference for boris johnson, who is one of the people lobbying very hard to succeed her. this is not something she was unaware of but she did her job. she kept a straight face when she needed to do so. it's not clear whether donald trump's endorsement is worth very much for boris johnson in this country or whether it might actually be to his detriment, but i think theresa may will be glab this is the last time she has to go through this unpleasant ritual. >> the president met with the queen last summer and there were large protests. the baby blimp notwithstanding, how would you gauge his popular in britain right now?

less popular? the same? >> i would say less popular or at most the same. he's regarded as a bit of figure of fun here rather than somebody who actively threatens the future and economy of this country. it's not like in mexico, for instance, or in canada or among some of the other allies. let's not forget the brits have their own problems with the complications of brexit some people, i imagine, will see this as a welcome and comedic distraction from all of that. there's not an accurate -- not a sort of deep understanding of the ways in which donald trump is threatening the atlantic alliance and how that might hurt britain's interest. right now he's just someone you can laugh at. >> glad to offer the comedic relief to our friends across the pond. i want to ask you about a report that former obama administration officials are advising iranian government officials behind the scenes to keep their cool.

the report in "the daily beast" outlines a number of phone calls between democrats and iranian officials saying, don't take trump's bait. do you believe this is happening? what's your take on this. >> i can't tell if it's true. the "daily beast," if they're confident enough to put the evidence out, they must have enough evidence to put it out. if it's happening, it's quite shocking. i remember the outrage among democrats when the republican congress sent a message to the iranians in the middle of the nuclear negotiations out in public. the idea they would be doing it secretly behind the back of the administration is quite shocking and does not show american democracy in the best light. i understand the frustration of obama officials, of having seen the one major foreign policy

achievement of his presidency being sort of set alight by donald trump. but to basically consort with the economy, but they are the enemy. it's not a good look for the democrats. >> thank you for joining us this morning. politics over principle. the various democratic arguments against impeaching the president. impeaching the president. what if other kinds of plants captured it too? if these industrial plants had technology that captured carbon like trees we could help lower emissions. carbon capture is important technology - and experts agree. that's why we're working on ways to improve it. so plants... can be a little more... like plants. ♪ our mission is to provide complete,

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we're learning more about the victims of the tragedy in virginia beach. 11 city workers and one contractor killed on friday. >> reporter: as this city grapples with inexplicable loss -- >> today we all grieve. >> reporter: city officials held an emotional news conference announcing the death ofs their own colleagues. >> they leave a void that we will never be able to fill. >> reporter: all of the 12 but one killed for the municipal department. christopher was the newest. he found friends. >> he walked into the workroom,

ready to blow pipes and beat drums. >> reporter: josh hardy worked for the city for 4 1/2 years. >> the world needs more joshuas. people who are ready to receive your problem and help you with them. >> reporter: richard worked on the city's bike and trail plan. >> rich worked in public utilities for over 28 years. served with me as a lieutenant in the 130th engineer brigade. >> reporter: all serving the city that now mourns them. burt snow was the only non-city employee, a contract trying to fill the permit. four victims remain in the hospital. one's injuries described as devastating. >> it's senseless. it's tragic. as much as virginia beach is a city, it's got a small town

heart. >> that was nbc's hans nichols reporti reporting. meanwhile, we learned the shooter was armed with two .25 caliber handguns, and used extended capacity magazines with the guns which were bought legally. joining me, democratic strategist rashad ritchie, and ned ryan, founder and ceo of american majority and former presidential writer for george w. bush. thank you for joining me this morning. earlier this year a virginia bill that would have banned the sale of large-capacity magazines similar to those used in the shooting was blocked by republicans. does this move the needle at all? >> i would remind people what just took place in california. in regard to high-capacity magazines. the state legislature passed a

ban on any magazine over ten rounds. in april this year a federal judge struck down that ban saying it was unconstitutional. so, i'm not entirely sure, even if virginia had passed a ban on magazines what would have happened in the courts. if you look at california, it probably would have been struck down. >> what can democrats do to find more middle ground to make some impactful changes? >> i think first of all, they need to arctticulate the messag better. your right to bear arms is not your right to bear a bazooka. the second amendment says you have the right to bear arms because of you being a whale regulator militia. if you're not a whale regulator militia, that's not the mandate. the 14th amendment of the constitution is your right to life. as we talk about the second

amendment, we also love our right to life. that's something that gets lost in this conversation. i find it interesting that somehow we have found a way in this country to pass laws to may away a woman's right to choose, even though there was no public sentiment to do so, but conserveties have failed to pass one damn piece of legislation to actually pass gun reform legislation and there is public sentiment to do so. why is that? because they are fearful of one entity, the nra, which is a lobbying arm of gun manufacturers. >> you care to respond, ned? >> if we're going to talk about the life issue, of course there is a significant percentage of americans that absolutely want to see restrictions on that at some point, especially after 20 weeks. you always bring up the nra. no card-carrying member of the nra has ever never been involved

in a situation like this. what gets lost in the situation, i'm not saying this is the only solution to gun violence, but when you see statistics that 60% of these mass shooters have a mental disorder issue and two-thirds of them have never seen a mental health professional, we have an issue on the mental health front i think we are refusing to address and actually admit there is a correlation. i'm not saying it is in every instance, but when 60% of them have a mental disorder but most of them have never seen a professional, we should address that and look at that because, again, a gun is the tool but it's not the cause. it's not the reason somebody decides they're going to go out and kill their fellow citizen. something is sparking this. the gun is the tool. how are we going to address the cause? i'm not sure anybody has taken a serious look at that and has a solution to it. >> no one questions that mental health has a huge role in this, but as some of the legal purchases even with high-capacity magazine are the result of the strength of the

nra. can you tell me just as many people would have died on friday if the sale of extended magazines were banned? >> well, i -- and i would go back to what i said earlier, phillip. california did this. it went in front of a federal judge who struck it down as unconstitutional. so, i would say that the state legislators can go ahead and do that and the nra has influence on the state legislators. the nra can't tell a federal judge what to do in deciding what is constitutional or unconstitutional. the issue is not with the state legislators. it's with the federal judiciary and him saying it's unconstitutional. i look at people saying nra this and that. this is into the federal courts and the federal courts agree this is not a constitutional issue. >> is it too general for democrats to invoke the nra as a whole after we see incidents like this. >> look at the cause and effect relationship. the reason why many republicans, and many will say this offline, the reason why many republicans

will not support common sense gun reform legislation is because they are fearful of the nra and their war chest, their money, coming against them in a republican primary. so, there is a real connecter to the nra and why republicans have been inactive when it comes to this issue. to your guest's point about this law being deemed unconstitutional, well, it was deemed unconstitutional because of the current construct of the federal legislation. right now congress has to act in order for this to be legal. your right to bear arms can be interpreted by law. >> ned, i see your head shaking but we have to save this for another day. we appreciate your thoughtful discussion. thank you very much. >> thanks. "saving private ryan" returning to theaters as americans remember d-day 75 years later.

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stood the test of time, this was going to stand in some small way, of what those kids experienced. >> reporter: he put his actors through a rigorous boot camp. to bond them to the mission and to each other. >> the legend is that we were out in the freezing cold woods for weeks and weeks. i think it was only five days. but it was -- >> and catered. >> yeah. it was a substantial five days. we were at ten to 6:00, and we had to march through the rain, wearing full backs and what not. our weapons were real and heavy. when a fake ambush wakes you up at 3:00 in the morning, your adrenaline gets pumping. i could not see my hand in front of my face. i could only see the dial of my watch. >> reporter: spielberg studied

the few surviving images by robert kappa, to bring the battle to life. >> as filmmakers, we took every inch of that beach. and it took us 25 days of shooting to capture 25 minutes of those landings. >> follow me. >> it was very, very loud. there was a lot of explosives. they're planting pyrotechnics on your body or in the ground. this is a lot of places to get hurt. >> reporter: every agonizing moment was based on the recollections of veterans who were there. >> after the first explosion took my best friend out, he was in pieces all over the beach. he got sand in my eyes. and he said, i couldn't see anything. let's show the audience what it looks like not to be able to see very much. >> this is what i say when we

make nonfiction movies. we'll do things we never did, we will say things we never said, but outside, we're going to be as authentic as possible. >> we have been in normandy together. is there a danger we'll lose sights of the real meaning? >> it will be some mythological place. it becomes a time of gods and heroes. if we forget it was a bunch of individuals and they had names like ernie and buck and robert, that's when we're bad citizens of the world, i think. >> that was tom brokaw with steven spielberg and tom hanks. special screenings of "saving private ryan" will be in theaters today. a note from the virginia beach gunman and the ng wiangui a community.

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that wraps up this hour. now, it's time with "weekends with alex whit." >> you should go see "saving private ryan" if you have not. >> it's been a while. >> good morning to all of you. it's 7:00 here in the east, 4:00 a.m., out west. welcome to "weekends with