thanks to the crew in d.c. for making me feel at home, thanks for those helping me in virginia beach as well as we broadcasted from there. "a.m. joy" with joy reid starts right now. as -- i told you this, president trump will be held accountable in the congress, in the courts and in the court of public opinion. we will defend our democracy. >> good morning. welcome to "a.m. joy." house speaker nancy pelosi's constituents made their feelings on impeachment very well known on saturday. pelosi deflected the cries of impeach from the california democratic party's state convention crowd, urging her fellow democrats to let things play out in the court of public opinion. meanwhile, 2020 presidential candidate and california senator kamala harris took the opposite

tack and got this response from the home state crowd. >> he obstructed justice and then hired an attorney general to clean up the crime scene. we need to begin impeachment proceedings and we need [ inaudible ]. >> it seems clear that democratic house leadership is on a very different page from the base of the party and at this point nearly every top tier 2020 democratic candidate. yesterday on this very show the house's third ranking democrat, congressman james clyburn, reflected the pelosi point of view. >> let's continue to do what we're doing, let's continue to do the investigations, let's have the hearings, let's build the public support, let's do what is necessary to bring the public along and then we may reach the time to launch the impeachment inquiries. i don't think we're there yet. >> joining me now is democratic

congressman jamie raskin of maryland. thank you so much for being with us this morning. >> i'm delighted to be with you, joy. >> thank you. let's talk about what's going on in the house, you can give me inside scoop of what's going on inside the caucus. we now know that more than 50 members of the house democratic caucus are now calling for the impeachment of the president, some of those names ayanna pressley, ted lue, paul castro, alexandria ocasio-cortez. do they reflect a majority opinion in the caucus at this point or are they still a minority opinion? >> i think that list you just showed us of people calling for an impeachment inquiry and i'm glad that you made that mistake because we need to distinguish between articles of impeachment which are the final indictment when the house decides this person has committed high crimes and misdemeanors and we spend send it over to the senate for a hearing. i think there is growing sentiment for an impeachment investigation, i think that's the process we will be engaged

in over the next couple weeks, to hear from everybody. we have a big caucus, we got 9.5 million more votes than the republicans did in 2018, we have 235 members of the caucus and we're from oklahoma and maine and california and florida and, you know, all over the country. so we need to be hearing from people as they go back to their districts. that's where everybody is right now, back in their districts talking to people, getting that kind of feedback that you just showed right there, joe i. >> that's an important point, that you're going to have now these members go back to their districts, whether they are in purplish red districts or in blue districts. you saw the very big difference between the two californians, speaker nancy pelosi and kamala harris on the issue of impeachment. you heard that crowd so you can see at least in that audience people were very much on the side of, as you said, opening an impeachment inquiry. inside of the minds of democrats in the house, is it more about what would be the fate of purple and red state democrats if an

impeachment inquiry were opened, or is it more about a sense that congress is being flagrantly defied by the president? >> well, i think you're right to point out that difference between senator harris and speaker pelosi. senator harris, i think, very much was speaking for california there and speaker pelosi is trying to speak for the whole country and where the country is in this process of understanding what an impeachment inquiry is and how it fits into what we've got to do. look, the politics of it are ultimately inn skrutable and indeterminate. we don't know. some people say if you move to impeachment inquiry that's going to help the president, some people say on the contrary, if you don't you're going to d demoralize our base and we are going to look like we don't know what we stand for. i think the politics there are confused which ultimately is the reason why i think most members i'm talking to are saying we've got to base it on the law. we've got to base it on the constitution. and what we're looking at is a special counsel report which details 11 different episodes of

presidential obstruction of justice which he has handed over to the house of representatives. now, we've got delayed for two months because of interference of attorney general barr who did everything he could to distort and misstate the findings, which is what provoked special counsel mueller to write two letters of protest and have that press conference that he did last week. but i think that we're now back on track here. he has turned over all of this evidence of potential high crimes and misdemeanor and we have to decide what to do with it >> on the issue of bringing the public along which we heard from congressman clyburn and we keep hearing from nancy pelosi. here is the latest data. this is a cnn poll. they did not ask, to your point, about an impeachment inquiry and maybe that is a challenge with the way the media is presenting this to the public because i think when you ask people should donald trump be impeached in their mind they mean removed, right? so thinking of it that way, should be impeached is at 41, against impeachment is 54%.

do you think part of the challenge here -- sorry, among democrats. look at among democrats it's overwhelming, should be impeached 76%, that's up from 69% just in april and against impeachment over 18% of democrats. it's clear, i think, with all the polls where the democratic party base stands on this. >> yes. >> is the challenge with everyone else that people automatically marry impeachment to removal and not impeachment inquiry, impeachment to a trial and a sanction? >> yes, well, look, the democrats, you're right, pretty much know where we are on this. you know, with he see donald trump as a one man white collar crime wave and, you know, it goes way beyond what's in the phillip mena, of course, we have seen defiant categorical obstruction of congress and contempt of congress in ordering all of his subordinates not to comply with our subpoenas, not to testify, not to turn over documents. that's outrageous. the democrats are very upset about the people lieu ments

clause and that is collecting money from saudi arabia and the chinese government and the different trump hotels and enterprises. so meme are aware of what's going on. your point is right, there are a number of distinctions that have to be made, one is between an impeachment inquiry and articles of impeachment. actually, we looked at it historically. most impeachment inquiries have not led to the rendering of impeachment articles in the final analysis. so it's not a formalist i can distinction there. it's not empty, that's a real dis inks it. the other thing is people do believe as you suggested, joy, that just because you impeach the president somehow he's gone. no. remember, bill clinton was impeached by the house of representatives, it went to the senate and the senate failed to convict by the requisite two-thirds majority. it still has to go over to the senate. i do think that in our party a lot of people are desperate about the situation with this

lawless and corrupt president, but we can't see impeachment as a panacea. we need to make the policy progress despite the obstructionism of mitch mcconnell in the senate. we passed great legislation to lower prescription drug prices, we're trying to guarantee preexisting coverage condition, we're trying to abolish gerrymandering and guarantee the right to vote. with he want to do all of that stuff at the same time we're holding the president responsible. >> none of that is going to go through the senate. mitch mcconnell has made it clear it's massive resistance he's doing now. >> yeah. >> whether it's an impeachment or whether it's healthcare legislation, mitch mcconnell won't let even a democratic president put a judge on the supreme court, justice on the supreme court. none of those bills are going to go through. given that and given the fact that it's a highly unlikely that very many heroes exist in the republican caucus who are going to do what justin amash has done and turn on this president, i wonder if the democratic caucus

is having the discussion about impeachment merely as a sanction on this president. jeremy peters was on david gura's show and his reporting is that all of this talk about donald trump wanting to be impeached and goading people to impeach him isn't true. donald trump doesn't want to be impeached, he would be embarrassed, it would be humiliating, it would be a huge spectacle as it played out on television. donald trump doesn't want that at all. has the caucus discussed the fact that impeaching donald trump and not removing him and making mike pence president which i don't think anybody on the democratic side wants, but just sanctioning him with the stamp of impeachment, not just an inquiry, but doing the actual thing would be the biggest punishment that the house could levee on donald trump, whether or not he's removed? >> there's something to that but we have to remember impeachment is not about crime and punishment, this is something that mueller today understood. the president could still be prosecuted after he leaves

office for these counts of -- clear counts of interfering with an ongoing criminal investigation and with the prosecutors. impeachment is about cleansing the office, it's about removing a president from office when he is engaged in a pattern of behavior that undermines the constitutional norms of society. the problem is that trump is continuing to do that every single day when he obstructs the ability of congress to get to evidence that we're asking for and to pursue our fact-finding function. when he ear gates to himself the right to engage in a war in yemen with saudi arabia when a majority of both houses of congress has said, no, we declare war and we don't want to be involved in that bloody humanitarian catastrophe in the yemenis civil war. so this is taking place in realtime every single day. i think we have avenue got to enlarge the picture so we understand how the lawlessness and corruption of this presidency is contaminating everything that's going on in our country. that's what makes it meaningful.

when people understand that the president is a threat to our environment, he is a threat to our healthcare, he is a threat to taking care that all of the laws are being faithfully executed. that's his core job and he's not doing it. >> but impeachment is also -- when you talk with local prosecutors, for instance, and this he do corruption prosecutions of a corrupt mayor or city council person it's also about stopping the corruption in progress. i've talked to prosecutors that part of it is a sanction to stop the corruption from happening as it's happening. in the case of andrew johnson the impeachment of andrew johnson also failed, he was not removed, we survived by one vote. >> in the senate. >> right, the senate is who does the trail. also his behavior was curbed, his attempts to reverse reconstruction were really brought to a halt and he was not able -- he did not stand for reelection and we wound up with a president who at least tried to implement the goals of reconstruction, ulysses grant. in the case of bill clinton it

rendered him unusable to al gore which got the republicans -- even though they didn't effect the removal of bill clinton, what they got was the white house. what they got was george w. bush elected. so there is a curative effect of impeachment that stands apart from removal, no? >> i totally agree with that and we have to think about the future both the near term future and the long term future. what are the precedence being set when the president converts the presidency into a money making operation for himself, his family and businesses and we just allow it. the emoluments clause is in the constitution to say that the president must have complete undivided loyalty to the american people, not to the saudi government and the united arab emirates and the chinese and turks and so on. we don't want the president to be working for foreign interests. we need a meticulous scrupulous accounting of all the money that has been spent at the trump

hotel, trump office building to foreign governments and we need the president to come to congress to ask for a consent. he can't keep a penny of it. we found presidents bringing things like a persian rug to congress saying can i accept this. cuff links, can i accept that. well, this president is accepting hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars and making a few token payments without ever coming to congress. it's not acceptable and we have to hold him to account for that. >> you know how you could do that, congressman, you could impeach the president and put him on trial. you just made i think the most succinct argument for an i impeachment of this president today. if you want to collect all of the things that donald trump is doing that you and other democrats consider to be abrogation of the constitution would not put him on trial? >> i agree that an impeachment inquiry will force a logical rigger and discipline to what we're doing so we don't just have 5,000 investigations to all of the corruption because trump is obviously all over the map,

but it will folk -- it will force us to focus on what are the things that reach a constitutional dimension, what are things like treason, bribery, obstruction of justice that are crimes against our character of government against the constitution itself. >> congress jamie raskin, thank you very much. thank you so much for your time this morning. >> thanks for having me, joy. coming up, lindsey graham forgets that a thing called videotape exists. that's next. thing called videotape exists that's next. [farmers bell] (driver) relax, it's just a bug. that's not a bug, that's not a bug! (burke) hit and drone. seen it, covered it. at farmers, we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ shaving has been difficult for me. i have very sensitive skin, and i get ingrowing hairs. oh i love it. it's a great razor. it has that 'fence' in the middle. it gives a nice smooth shave.

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one of the most disturbing things to me is the conduct of republicans in the senate and in the house. these are actually smart people. they know that there is a damning case in the phillip mena of obstruction of justice by the president and they are acting like it's not. and that's just flatly dishonest and they seem to be doing it because they think president trump is the only game in town. >> that was donald ayer the former deputy attorney general under president george h.w. bush, one of a group of republicans including former federal prosecutors who call themselves republicans for the rule of law and who are out now calling out congressional republicans for looking the other way while donald trump trampless over congress and the count

country. joining me joyce advance. natasha, you are not here at the table. on top of that, you have these republican former federal prosecutors saying what's in the phillip mena is -- it is laying out crimes, crimes that would be prosecutable if donald trump were not president. that is not new information. you're now starting to see a few republicans creep out. justin amash. stu stephens has a scathing piece out there morning. he says that the republican lawmakers are basically choosing russia over the constitution. he says how did this happen? how did the republican party distend from the moral heights of there gorbachev tear down this wall to this apologist sewer filled with the weak trying to reassure the weaker that weakness is a virtue? for the first time in american history we have meticulously detailed evidence that a hostile

foreign power attempted to influence the choice of an american commander in chief and the collective republican response is apparently our side won, move on. is there any sense of embarrassment among republicans now that they are being called out by other republicans that they have essentially said that russia interfered but it doesn't matter because our side won, we're sticking with trump? >> no and i think part of the problem obviously, joy, is that most republicans in congress, most members of congress for that matter, haven't actually read the phillip mena. but if we just look at the reaction that came after justin amash spoke out and said based on my reading, my careful reading of the phillip mena omu over the last month i do believe this president should be impeached we can tell that the tide of opinion in the republican party has not turned at all in favor of holding this president accountable for the alleged obstruction of justice and, of course, his campaigns many contacts with russia during the campaign.

i think it was kevin mccarthy came out and just attacked justin amash. he now has a primary challenger. there were just scathing remarks and attempts to drive him out of the freedom caucus, for example. >> you mean kevin mccarthy who was once quoted as saying he thinks putin pays several people including donald trump? >> that's the one, yeah. so there's clearly an awareness, i think, that the president had inappropriate contacts with russians during the campaign, that he obviously did commit, you know, obstruction of justice because mueller, of course, said if we had confidence he did not commit a crime we would have said so. they did not say so. ergo you can conclude that the prosecutors believe that he did commit that crime. however, the overall thinking here is that they can ride this out, especially because democrats do not appear to be, you know, poised to launch impeachment proceedings as long as nancy pelosi stays where she is. >> let's come to this because,

joyce, the point is that they haven't read the report. republicans for the rule of law is going to deliver copies of the mueller report to every single member of congress. i want to play you -- lindsey graham was supposed to be on some sunday shows this morning, we are not sure why he was not. let's play 1998 and 1999 lindsey graham and when he was talking about impeaching a democratic president. >> let it be said that any president who cheats or institutions shall be impeached. >> he doesn't have to say go lie for me to be a crime. you don't have to say let's obstruct justice for it to be a crime. you judge people on their conduct not magic phrases. >> if you term that he committed the crime of perjury and you determine that he committed the crime of obstruction of justice, based on the president of the senate i think you would have a hard time saying under the situation in this case that that's not a high crime. >> so lindsey graham -- he has a

television presumably even if it's always on fox news, congressman raskin just laid out all kinds of things donald trump is doing, the possibility he was leaving up and down, the value of his buildings to make more money, profiting off the presidency, all kinds of things that a lindsey graham from 1998 might have thought it was impeachable if trump was a democrat. if the democrats don't want to impeach and the republicans don't seem to care whether high crimes and misdemeanor happened. >> i miss that old lindsey graham, the lindsey graham that said the president didn't have to commit a crime, it was about ens cling the office, upholding the integrity of the presidency. that's the conversation we have to have. the mueller report is long, difficult to read, it's 488 some paejs, but there has to be a national focus on educating people and speaking to folks who don't have the time because they have busy daily lives to understand all of it. if people understood, though, i think the country would move forward and we could have a conversation about what comes next that we are not having

right now. >> it is a television culture. people don't necessarily read the book, they get the audio book and they watch the television version of a book that becomes a movie. senator richard blumenthal made that point last night. >> whatever our minor differences, our common goal is holding the president accountable and we should begin hearings right away. call them whatever you'd like, an impeachment inquiry, an oversight inquiry. most americans will never read that 450-page report. they are not going to read the book. they need to see the movie robert mueller is that movie. >> the democrats need to let people see the movie and this hemming and hawing over whether or not to launch an impeachment inquiry and what to call it seems to be beside the point. >> that's exactly right. listen, when you have the truth on your side you might as well rock it, right? this report came out about four, five weeks ago. democrats have been in the position to take the narrative,

you know, take the bull by the horns, frame the issue and take that narrative. i've been saying this on twitter for the past week. even before you get to impeachment at least inform the american public of what is in that report and why it's so bad. the fact that mueller outlined ten different instances not two, not four, not eight, ten different instances in which they believed that this president has obstructed justice is huge. >> yeah. >> and i think if the american public understood that, i don't understand why the democrats aren't at the very least informing the public, cut a one minute video, put it on facebook, youtube, twitter, every single platform, instagram, all the stuff that the kids are into these days, put it on t-shirts, put it wherever it is that you have to do it so at least the american populous is informed and then perhaps you will see those impeachment numbers start to change. >> start to change. >> because at the end of the day leadership in my opinion means

leader. you ought to take the charge. you ought to be the ones setting the tone, you ought to be the ones setting the standard and you don't see that with the democrat i can it party. when i watch them, when i heard them talk, leadership, i don't feel like i should follow. >> the thing is, natasha, that you heard of the chairman of the democratic national committee who was on earlier with david gura saying it's the job of the american people to replace the president, apparently not the president, it's the people's job. the democratic 2020 candidates seem to be on the page, the principal candidates, they're leading rhetorically on the idea of impeachment and one of the congressional reasons for not doing it is they are claiming it's a trap, that donald trump wants to be impeached. let me let you listen to what "the new york times" jeremy peters had to say this morning about that very idea that trump wants to be impeached. >> having spoken to people who have spoken directly to the president about this i can tell you he does not want to be impeached. the reason you might find amusing, it's bad for his brand, but he's right about that. >> he went on to say that it would be a spectacle, a

television spectacle. o.j. trial style basically. in your reporting is that accurate, is that this -- that the real ruse is republicans claiming that trump wants to be impeached? >> of course. it's been a strategy from the very beginning and anyone who says otherwise doesn't have any remote understanding of basic psychology. i mean, the president seems determined to convince democrats that he really -- this will be really good for his base. this will really rile them up, this will allow him to get reelected in 2020. on the other hand he is showing his true colors and his true feelings when he's speaking to reporters off the cuff saying impeachment is a dirty, guilty word. this is someone who is clearly really afraid of how impeachment would mark him and would brand him for the rest of his life. >> is impeachment -- i'm sorry, we are quickly out of time. is impeachment in your mind, i will ask both of the attorneys at the table -- is it only about removal or is it also a sanction? >> it is a sanction and it's

about educating the public. part of the problem with this presidency is that trump has done so much that's so unacceptable it's hard to encapsulate it. that's why he doesn't want his witnesses to comply with subpoenas to appear on capitol hill. democrats have to find a new way to get that evidence out. >> and the question i think for a lot of people would the only victory for democrats be making mike pence president or would it be i'm peeking president trump and have him going into history as a impeached president. >> it would be following the rule of law and the constitution. to answer your question, impeachment is a sanction and it's removal. you may not get removal, but you get the sanction which is precisely what the constitution sets forth. last i checked no one is above the law. >> yeah. >> and this is a country of law and order. >> very few people who don't have it as a class assignment can state all 45 president of the united states but you can name the ones who were impeached. thank you very much. med win will be next in our next hour. coming up 2020 presidential

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crisis, the time for small ideas is over. >> senator elizabeth warren appeared to take a little shot at joe biden and other democrats who she says prefer a cautious approach to governing. it's one example of a choice that democrats will face when they pick a no, ma'am me to take on donald trump, do they pick a progressive or someone in the center? do they want a candidate who vows to fight the republican party who stood by trump come what may or someone who tries to work with the republicans. joining me now is montana governor and 2020 presidential candidate steve lull box. govern governor, i know there is a little delay so i will thank you for being here and when you say anything in response i will show your poll numbers. let's put the pull numbers up. >> thanks for having me for sure, joy. >> you are polling around in the 1% range, which is low, but it's actually no lower than much more prominent nationally known united states senators, the governor -- former governor ever

colorado, kirsten gillibrand, the senator from new york. you are in that tier with other people, julian castro, michael bennet and others. you wrote in an op-ed in "usa today" which i think came out a week ago, you said your unique selling proposition is you could win back some of the united states that donald trump won. you said i'm the only democrat in this race who has won a state donald trump won. if democrats want someone who can win back iowa, pennsylvania, michigan. try someone who has won wisconsmontana three times. why would you be a better nominano, ma'am nominee that someone who could run -- >> my legislature just ended. i needed to be here to make sure that 10% of our population got healthcare, we froze college tuition, many other things. i think that i am a candidate

that can both win in places that we lost but also bring out the democrats all across the country that we need along the way. not only to win, but to govern. my legislature i have more vetoes than any governor in the history of montana, but we passed progressive policies like healthcare, like language immersion for native americans, like record investments in public education and getting rid of dark money from our elections. so i think we need to be able to win for sure. i have the qualities and characteristics that could. donald trump took montana by 20 points. i won by 4. we need to win back those places. but we also need to make sure that we can bring all democrats out and i think i have what it would take. >> let's talk about that just a little bit because i know dark money is like your big issue so i want to give you time to talk about that. your state is not super diverse, it's got a native american population that's about 6.7%, a white population that's 89% and african-american population very small 0.6%.

what would be your pitch, for instance, in south carolina to those voters who don't know you and for whom you don't have a huge history of representing them in governing? >> sure. yeah, and i recognize that certainly i'm not a person of color, wasn't raised in a community of color, but i think that there is a lot that we can do. i had a fair shot growing up in america and in montana, actually, doing better than my parents. certainly acknowledge that for a lot of people that shot no longer exists. a lot of communities it no longer does. when you look at the disparities, the challenges, there is no reason that the average african-american family makes only $40,000 a year. well, if you are a nonwhite -- or a white nonhispanic, $68,000. when you look at the health disparities, which we've worked on a lot, the fact that 70% of hispanics don't get the same prenatal care as white

nonhispanics. when you look at criminal justice issues, which we've done a lot of work here as well, significant disparities. so what i will do is what i've done in other areas, i will show up, i will listen more than i talk and i will take action recognizing that there is significant both historical and contemporary injustices that have led many of our communities and communities of color they have held them back. >> let's talk about your core issue. you open your op-ed by saying two obstacles stand in the way of america being the land of the free, the divisive presidency of the droufr and corrupting influence of big money and politics. what would you want to do about that, the latter issue, the big money issue? >> you bet. i was attorney general when the citizens united came up. i think i've done more to fight the corrupting influences of dark money than anyone else in this field. you look at trump tax cuts, senator graham said we have to do this to make our donors happy. we talk about the climate

crisis. republicans can't even acknowledge that climate change is real because ultimately the donors say that, you know, it's too important for their petroleum companies and others. what i would do and what i've done in montana, we actually kicked dark money, undisclosed money out of our elections for the last 90 days. it makes elections about people. first day as president what i would do is sign the same executive order i signed here in montana that said if you want to contract with the federal government, you have to disclose every single dollar and ways that you're trying to impact our elections. think about it, the u.s. government contracts with dang near every single company in the nation. at the end of the day if our elected officials are going to be like nascar, labels all over, bought and paid for, we need to at least start by throwing who is doing the buying. >> somebody who grew up in denver, colorado, you get an a plus for saying dang. i said that growing up. let's talk about these tariffs.

what are those tariffs doing to a state like montana, you have cattle and agricultural interests. what are tariffs doing to your constituents? >> we have a lot of producers and all of a sudden the producers aren't getting the markets this they need. payments from the u.s. gept department of agriculture is not going to change that. i was talking to last week a farmer in iowa he's lost $147,000 this year alone. $70,000 might come from the federal government paying t but we are also going to lose those markets. it's more than just our producers. every american household could pay more than $2,000 a year in goods just when you deal with china. then you look at mexico. most of the maltene barley that makes the mexican beer comes from montana. we have a humanitarian crisis but you don't use tariffs to think you will be able to address that. >> what about impeachment, it's a huge issue among the

democratic base. do you think donald trump should be impeached? >> i think this president is normalized things that we should never ever allow. look, we were attacked in 2016, our elections were attacked and the best that the president could say is he took putin by his word. now, i think that this is a moving target. we need to make sure that congress has the opportunity to fully exercise its constitutional obligation to investigate, oversee the executive branch but we forget also that the executive branch has that constitutional obligation to respond and actually be responsive to congress. >> but should the impeachment be impeachment? >> well, i think the full investigation should be occurring and that's where we need to be going right now. >> okay. >> i will tell you that we need to hold this president accountable, but also in a dozen different stops in two weeks in iowa people brought up the fact that they're losing their doctor, they don't have markets, they don't have a decent job or

that shot at opportunity. >> yeah. >> or a trillion dollars of stock buy backs last year. that's what i was hearing. >> quickly before we run out of time. would you consider if you don't make it on to the presidential final stage running for senate because that's up in montana as well? >> yeah, and, you know, we are going to have some great candidates for u.s. senate here, i think ones that can win. i will do everything i can to support them, but for me this was never a sort of either/or. i think i have a lot to offer in both how i win and how i govern. my whole time i've been an executive that's what i'm focusing on. >> it's great to talk to you. thank you very much. really appreciate your time. steve bullock, governor of montana. good luck with your campaign. >> thanks so much for having me on this morning, joy. coming up, a look at director duvernay's devastating four-part series on the central park five. that's next. four-part series on park five. that's next.

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>> let's get an army of blue up in harlem. you go into those projects and you stop every little thug you see. you bring in every kid who was in the park last night. >> the wrongful conviction of five black and latino teenagers referred to as the central park five is at the center of a powerful new netflix series called "when they see us." it depicts the true story of five harlem boys who were railroaded by police into giving false confessions to a brutal 1989 rape and attack in central park. it was a case that gripped new york city and at the time captured the attention of a certain tv real estate mogul named donald trump. he insisted they were guilty and called for them to be executed and he's never taken that back despite the dna evidence that exonerated all five after --

after -- they had each spent up to a dozen years in prison. joining me now is the president of color of change. rashad, i had the opportunity and the blessing to be with you at the center for a screening of the first two parts of the series. it's devastating, very hard to watch. why is it important for people to watch it anyway? >> it shows all the different ways that the system and the incentive structure are set up to put people in harm's way. to not deliver safety and to not deliver justice. and we have to tune in to these things but more than tuning in to them we have to take the anger and outrage and translate it into real action. >> one of the most infuriating things about watching it, because when i was here in new york when it happened -- i moved here when i was 17 and i was a young person in new york at that time. but we didn't know all the details of their lives. we just knew how horrible it was and dangerous it was. watching the police trick those boys, trick their parents, throw them out of the rooms, beat up on those boys and then the

prosecutors, with no remorse -- i don't even think to this day to decide someone is going to prison and she doesn't even care now that she did that. >> i grew up in the imprint of the media market on long island, so i saw the news stories and i saw the news and as a 10-year-old saw those images and it really did shape my early life about who i was and how people saw us. so i think what ava has done here is given us a real gift. an opportunity to see them as young people, how the system sets up, and what she's done and netflix has done is partner with us at color of change. people can go to colorofchange.org. we have a platform called winning justice. winning justice is a program around the country where we are taking on prosecutors and working to change the incentive structure and the power that prosecutors have in this country.

there are 2,400 elected prosecutors. 80% run unopposed. what you see is in this series happens every single day around this country. >> they're not all republicans, either. >> in new york city the prosecutor's office is run by democrats. we have to take out in many of these places, places like st. louis, philadelphia, places like dallas, to take out bad prosecutors and put people in office that will respect black lives. it is an ongoing struggle. we are at the beginning and part of the process is changing the way they do business, they are not transparent. they do not treat kids as kids. they do not deal with bail and other issues. they create a system where it is not about delivering justice but about getting convictions no matter what. and that is why we need to deal with the police. we need to deal with the profiteers, with the

prosecutors, and so if you're angry and you're outraged after seeing this, help us win justice. >> we have to deal with the press, too, can we show this ad of donald trump in 1989. he paid no price for this. if you see the movie you will see these are babies, the two little ones are little, adorable babies. and he wanted them killed. and he has not paid any price for that. >> i did a panel in atlanta this week with two of the men who are now men but were boys at the time, and yousef said something that has stuck with me about the donald trump ad. he talked about the accusations throughout history that black people would get from law enforcement and throughout time there would be no justice, no trial. folks would be lynched. and the ad, the donald trump ad, calling for the death penalty was almost a symbol back to that era of almost trying to lynch them in central park. and having never apologized --

>> at all. and the idea, oh, he's calling for the deaths of children, joseph, a baby, a child as small as them, really was executed in this country i believe in south carolina. it's not like this country hasn't put children to death. >> the media images, we're working on a big report that will come out that looks at the crime tv, all the tv shows, the representation of black people and the representation of actual criminal justice. our young people do not get seen as kids. and so from the school house to the courthouse the images and the narratives that put our people in harm's way are deep and serious. our communities want safety and they want justice. we have to build more power. for everyone who is watching, i hope that they will watch this deeply, they will tweet about it, share it, thank ava and take the energy from that and help us

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just a minute, sir. whoa. >> asking for your attention to a much bigger idea -- >> thank you so much, sir, for your big idea, but we want to make sure that we are able to get through this. it's okay, folks. it's okay. all right. welcome back. that dramatic scene unfolded at the big ideas for number san francisco, an event featuring the biggest names in the democratic race for president including cory booker, kamala harris and beto o'rourke. remarks about pay equity by senator harris, the only woman of color, the only woman of color candidate there, when a man identified as an animal rights activist stormed the stage and grabbed the mic from the senator telling her that he was, quote, asking for your attention on a much bigger idea. at the time only women with present on stage along with senator harris, the two

moderators were stephanie valencia and one of our own, who is on a plane and could not join us today. as you can see for almost 15 seconds she and other women were the winds who had to defuse an intense situation clearly an invasion of women's space. the protesters was pulled from the stage by several men including senator harris' husband. the protesters has been identified as ayden cook with lois beckett of "the guardian" tweeting, i asked if he considered the optics of literally taking the microphone away from women of color. i did, he said. i tried to show my profound respect for each of the people on stage. okay. hmm, invading women's space and snatching a mic are signs of respect, said no person ever. a different take describing cook's actions as the literal embodiment of entitled egotism.

you were there. tell us how this unfolded and were there protests against anyone else? >> there weren't many protests against anyone else. being in the room it was a scene that happened in slow motion. it felt like it was happening in slow motion. you heard before anyone reached the stage people say, hey, what are you doing? what's going on? most people looked up, saw the gentleman jump on the stage. the stage was about five feet high so an easy jump to get on the stage and he slowly approached senator harris. you see the video, you see the moment that took a long time then for security to come off and escort senator harris off and carry the gentleman off. her husband jumped on stage as well. when i talked to people in the room it was a moment that put a lot of fear in their hearts. one, it was a clear security breach. for a person to get to senator harris, there was a lot of concern. there was genuine fear over what was going on and confusion over exactly what was happening.

>> were you able to tell if the man we see pulling him off stage -- one is not a security person, it's her husband, doug, who seems to be physically pulling the man off stage. was there any security anywhere nearby? >> the gentleman in the black blazer with the seemingly t-shirt under is her husband. he took his time before he got on stage in a way that he was letting security -- it seemed he was letting security do their thing, but it just took a while to get this protester off stage and that's when her husband jumped on and tried to help escort the gentleman off. it was unclear where security was or who, in fact, was security. as you mentioned the two moderators were the people separating themselves and blocking the protesters from senator harris before any security got there. i'll say to get into the venue for the regular spectator, it required security, credentials. there were only about 300 move-on members there. it was a big ideas forum, an

event that they have regularly. it took a long time for security to come and escort senator harris off and some concern about that although there was security for people to get into the room. >> thank goodness there were some magnetometers before they got in. i appreciate you. thank you all for being here. we did reach out to the audience, to senator harris for a response from the campaign. we did not hear back as of yet. we did get a response from moveon. they tweet this had last night. we sincerely regret that a protesters was able to gain access to the stage at our forum today and we apologize to senator kamala harris. the protesters was removed and the program resumed. moveon members were excited to hear harris continue to discuss her big ideas to achieve pay equity. to you, jonathan, first. these forums are typically

pretty well screened out. does it surprise you there was not more security and that she had to jump up and bodily put herself between the senator and this protesters and that the husband doug had to takes take care of it. >> thank god for karine. why did it take so long for security to jump into action? as for her husband doug, knowing both of them and knowing doug, i wonder how far he was sitting from the stage. he jumped into action as fast as he could. as he tweeted on yesterday he would do anything for her. to see him jump on the stage is

when i knew how serious that moment was for senator harris and for him. she wasn't playing. >> the freeze frame, he was like you're going to get away from my wife. karine jean-pierre, we can sort of joke about she should be hired to be the head of the secret service or something. there is a genuine security issue here, that you would have an event that has the only woman of color running for president of the united states, women, three women on that stage. the idea there wasn't more security i guess people assumed. here is cory booker responding on cnn talking about the incident last night. oh, it's a tweet. cory booker says about this incident i'm really hoping that we see secret service and others begin to step in because that

would have been a horrified moment. kamala is like a sister to me. the camaraderie is quite nice. he makes a good point. why isn't there secret service for these guys? >> secret service doesn't normally start pairing up with the candidates unless there's a threat or once they become the nominee. i think it is inexcusable there would not be someone at the sta stage. that is putting the onus on the candidate this is an american campaign like we have to secure a ballot box. this is an affront to her, our democracy and the dnc has to get together with secret service and figure out what they're going to do about this. >> the same group has done this before. the same group disrupted a bernie sanders event in may of 2016. he was a part of that. it's not as if this is a group

unknown to stage these kind of protests. does it surprise you there wasn't a more proactive security protocol? >> the most unprotected person in america is the black woman. malcolm x said that. it was true then and it's true now. i find it ironic this is the manner in which this person chose to protest particularly when we talk about protesting in america and our rights to do that and claim he was being respectful when you have colin kaepernick who has protested silently without disturbing anything and people wanted to say it was the worst thing in the world. the idea he would think that this is the best way to protest by reaching up and grabbing a mic out of a sitting united states senator who as everyone has said should have been protected is ironic. i want to point out what i think is important here how quickly karine jean-pierre reacted. you're not going to do this, not today. >> in a cute dress and heels. she jumped right up.

she was incredible. she shouldn't have had to do that. >> she was like, not today. >> not at all. tiffany, a lot of tweets. we're going to put up some of them. a lot of african-american journalists are tweeting about this. one of our legal correspondents has been tweeting about it. i want to read what adrian lawrence, an author, what she tweeted this morning. and she said as i watch and rewatch the footage of the man rushing kamala harris on stage i'm reminded of all the times since white men have unapologetically disregarded my personal space as if the rules of civility don't apply to them or as i wasn't a whole person deserving of respect. i want to let you comment. >> what i tweeted was we wish karine had been there when donald trump had invaded hillary clinton's space in the debate.

i hope people see this video, women and young girls, as the opportunity to take agency over your body, over your space and let people know when they're making you uncomfortable. we're making a lot of jokes and certainly karine, hats off to her. this could have been really dangerous. why we have security protection for candidates. it was in 1968 when robert f. kennedy was assassinated. the president was lyndon b. johnson who said we have to provide security and protection. thankfully senator harris was not hurt but this could have been extremely dangerous. her husband douglas emhoff, a few moents ago, some time last year protesters confronted senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. he was with his wife getting in their car. protesters confronted them. senator mcconnell got in the car. his wife was left outside of the car by herself playing the role

of doug emhoff, leave my husband alone. you look at the juxtaposition, one of these are about it and it was not senator mitch mcconnell this is a very dangerous situation. we've had other candidates have issues. senator cory booker was the recipient was several death threats recently. the secret service arrested a man last month. mayor pete buttigieg was confronted by a homophobic protesters dressed as jesus who got within feet of him. these are dangerous times. we have a lot of hateful rhetoric coming from the top. this needs to be taken seriously. i'm moderating a conversation with the dnc next weekend in atlanta and i emailed them, fyi, i'm not karine. i will be hiding behind the people. let's make sure we have good security in atlanta next month. >> i think that was an important point made. it was june in california robert f. kennedy -- you can comment on

it, jonathan. that is a very eerie juxtaposition when you think about it. sirhan sirhan was able to get that close that long ago and nothing appreciably has changed about the level of fear or the level of protocol in terms of protecting these candidates with so many women running. >> and given the tenor antone of the times in which we live when we have a president of the united states who is fanning and creating an atmosphere of menace around the country. this was a moveon.org conference, a pro-animal rights protester so we're not talking about a right wing extremist. this was somebody who rushed the stage. there was no security. tiffany brought up the assassination of robert f. kennedy, we are still facing a

situation where candidates are in danger. let's not forget when then senator barack obama was running for president he was the first candidate, i think, in history to get secret service protection because of the threats against him. people have to think about the level of protection for these candidates going forward. >> especially in these times. my guests will be back throughout the show. coming up franklin graham continues his crusade for donald trump next. thanks for the ride-along, captain! i've never been in one of these before, even though geico has been- ohhh. ooh ohh here we go, here we go. you got cut off there, what were you saying? oooo. oh no no. maybe that geico has been proudly serving the military for over 75 years? is that what you wanted to say? mhmmm. i have to say, you seemed a lot chattier on tv.

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you said that you don't like to fly commercial because you don't want to get into a tube with a bunch of demons. do you really believe that human beings are demons? >> no, i do not, and don't you ever say i did. if i flew commercial, i'd have to stop 65% of what i'm doing. >> how much money did you pay for the jet, for example? >> for example, that's none of your business. >> isn't it the business of your donors? >> he made that airplane so cheap for me i couldn't help but buy it. >> couldn't help but buy it, wow. okay. reporter lisa guerrero's "inside edition" interview with kenneth copeland was conducted last month. we played it for you just now so you can get a sense of who he is. just this week we learned kenneth copeland signed his name to a list of conservative evangelical leaders calling for

today to be a national day of prayer. for donald trump. you know who is leading the call to prayer? here he is, this guy, franklin graham. absolutely nothing wrong with donald trump's immoral and unethical behavior and went so far as to call on democratic presidential candidate pete buttigieg to repent for being gay. a religious reform activist and author of why i am an atheist who believes in god. and jonathan capehart is back with me as well. he bought tyler perry's plane. he can't fly commercial because of demons on the plane. he lives a luxurious lifestyle on the backs of the people who donate in his churches. he is now the guy that is part of leading this call to prayer with franklin graham. your thoughts? >> i come from an evangelical background. in the '70s and '80s i knew these guys. i grew up with franklin graham. he used to visit our house.

we go way back. you have to look at franklin and copeland and these other people as opportunist who is are out for power, out for money, and they are the same sort of con artists when it gets to their basic genetic structure. they understand each other. so when you look at what franklin is doing this is a fund-raising opportunity for him, period. these, quote, days of prayer are nothing more than that. the same thing with copeland. they are about the money, the private jets, all these little perks and that includes a lot of people on the trump team including his press secretary and lawyer. the amazing thing is when they also asked pete buttigieg to repent, when you look at the quality of his christianity, if two lines were forming and one looks like religion and the other like a theme park, he's the man with the authentic

christ like demeanor, the kindness, reaching out, the compassion, the religious tolerance and the rest of it. it's a triple irony. that's where we're at. religion is a fiasco when it gets to big buck evangelicals, and this is just the latest manifestation of that. these are flakes. >> the wing that has tyler perry's plane because he can't fly commercial and that does seem to be focused on the luxurious lifestyle of being a pastor, let me just play you because you were at the 92nd street y. you asked mayor buttigieg about this condemnation calling on him to repent. >> what would you say to the franklin grahams of the world, the mike pences of the world who have an issue with the lgbtq community? >> i guess i would say that we

all have a lot to repent for. i have a lot to repent for when it comes to my marriage. moments i've not been as caring as i should be, moments i've been selfish. moments i've said a harsh word that i wish i could take back. but one thing i absolutely should not be repentant for in the context of my marriage is the fact that i'm in love with my husband. >> does it strike you as irony, he has only had one marriage, right, and these leaders disdain the one marriage but don't have a problem with donald trump's treatment of his previous wives. they just don't have a problem of it. >> they're willfully blind. i'm glad you played that clip. that is a visual manifestation of what he was talking about on the stage listening to mayor pete say those words. i don't know if you could feel

the intense energy coming through the screen, but sitting just feet from him as he said those words. i could see the emotion on his face was pretty incredible. this is a person who is certainly comfortable in his own skin, proud of his husband, proud of their marriage, proud that they were able to get married, they are embarking upon this incredible journey together but proud of the fact that he is a believer. he is a christian and he is not running away from his faith. he talks about it all the time. and he's not willing to ignore nor will he cede the ground of religion to the republican party, to conservatives and certainly to so-called evangelicals like franklin graham and all of these other folks who are living in the lap of luxury and buying private planes and casting judgment on

other people's lives while he is living out the true tenets of his beliefs. >> and, frank, you do have evangelicals of not this sort, people like bishop barber, where they are going to call on the nation to return to prayer for the moral health of the country. that's happening on wednesday. inside of this sort of world of evangelical christianity, is there a tension between the ones who care about kids in cages and the ones who just want to follow donald trump or has the trump version subhumed it? >> evangelicals who are more progressive unite in not only opposing donald trump but the kind of compassionate christianity that is revolted by children in cages, by the overt racism and the call to white nationalism. sadly that is not the trump voter and i think this brings up

a point that needs to be made even if it's offensive. the white christian community that voted for trump is no longer a christian community as a bloc. they have voted for a man that not only denies the basic teaches of jesus christ but a man who has turned their former religion into a cult. they no longer see president trump as a political figure judged like other political figures. they're doing not only days of prayer for him but saying he has been brought by god to america to save america in order to do everything from recognizing the american embassy so jesus can come back to closing down every abortion clinic and making women's choice go back into the 1950s, not even 1960s and the '70s. this is a program of authentic

theocracy that is far more like trump's friends, the saudi arabians than with anything traditional about american religion even back to the colony here in massachusetts where i'm sitting. >> it is a watershed moment, i will put it that way for those of us who grew up in the church. frank schaefer, thank you, jonathan capehart, thank you both so much and have a wonderful sunday. coming up, lessons from the nixon era that might help democrats free themselves from the paralysis of analysis next. this is the ocean. just listen.

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president, is set to greet him. mayor khan said trump should not have been given the honor of a state visit and it's wrong to roll out the red carpet for him. it coincides with theresa may stepping down. it will include tea with the royal family which could be awkward given trump's history of untoward comments about princess william and harry's mom who trump once boasted he could score a date with. and it comes after trump's nasty comments about prince harry's wife, duchess of sussex meghan markle. >> yes, of course trump is divisive. think about female voters alone. it was in 2012 the republican party lost the vote by 12 points. that's a huge number. that's a huge chunk of it. you're not just voting for a woman if it's hillary because she's a woman but because trump has made it easy to see that you

don't really want that kind of world he's painting. >> the duchess also said she would consider moving to canada if trump were to be elected. trump had this to say to a british tabloid this week. >> she said she would move to canada if elected. turned out britain. >> a lot of people moving here. no, i didn't know she was nasty. >> an american princess then, mr. president. >> i think it's nice. i think it's nice and i'm sure she will do excellently. she will be very good. she will be very good. i hope she does. >> trump denied that he called meghan markle nasty, despite it literally being on tape. it should be a newsworthy visit. we will definitely keep you posted on any sightings of the trump baby. we'll be right back. ac ♪

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[ screaming ] oh, it's just this weird little guy. ow! ow, ow, ow! ow, ow, ow! [ screaming ] not cool. last night the house judiciary committee approved an article of impeachment against the president of the united states. the charge was obstruction of justice. the committee vote was 27-11. the 27 who favored impeachment included all of the committee's 1 democrats and six republicans. >> republicans voting to impeach a republican president,

something that seems unthinkable today. although democrats had majorities in both chambers of congress, house ma jord ljority understood they had to get support. and had to have credibility and an aura of impartialialty. joining me now is former watergate prosecutor, elizabeth holtzman who voted to impeach nixon and the author of "the case for impeaching trump." and a former assistant watergate prosecutor. thank you all for being here. during the break you were talking about that vote to impeach nixon. >> the smoking gun tape hadn't come out. >> that's amazing. >> that rich order nixon ordered the cover-up.

that persuaded not only six republicans, and we had seven on the next article of impeachment but persuaded all of the southern democrats whose districts were even more pro-nixon than many of the republicans. the fact we had all the democrats didn't mean that was an easy thing. what persuaded them before the vote and the southern democrats was the overwhelming evidence that existed. >> we have current democratic leadership arguing that it would endanger the democratic members who are in pro-trump districts if they were to proceed even with an inquiry. they're worried about that and worried no republicans would come over. you seem to be saying that in the case of nixon they're misremembering history. >> correct, or maybe they don't remember the history or don't know it. the fact of the matter is that

southern democrats who had very pro-nixon districts, maybe even more pro-nixon voted for the impeachment. it was a very courageous act on their part. well, i shouldn't say courageous because they were re-elected. nobody suffered defeat but all of the southern democrats voted with us. and we had six republicans in the first article. and, by the way, not only did we have such an important bipartisan vote but the political outcome of the impeachment inquiry into richard nixon and the three articles of impeachment we voted for resulted in totally surprisingly a huge democratic landslide. we did it right. the american people respected what we did. they thought we protected the

constitution. >> what was it that was so compelling that i did not know this before, the smoking gun tape hadn't even come out. >> i think what was so compelling is that you had both houses of congress controlled by the democrats and gaining in the spring of 1973 right after archibald cox was appointed you had television hearings where this came out. by the time it was june or july of '73 they had been involved in the watergate break-in, heard the testimony of dean and knew president nixon had ordered hush money be paid to the watergate burglars. the only question was would you believe john dean? and then, lo and behold, the tapes come out. we learn from alex butterfield

in the same hearings there was a taping system richard nixon put into the white house in order to tape conversations, which turned out to be a big tax dodge, ironically, but at any rate those tapes rob rated to almost to the word what john dean had testified to in a public hearing and the public knew that. the politics was completely different because the whole story was out and the problem we're experiencing now we have a 400-page report that has just as much material in it incriminating, the crimes explained and the use of social media. the problem is the democrats somehow have to take that material and put it before the american public so people

understand the scope and dangerousness of the behavior that is set out in the report. >> one of the most important words you heard was television. the reality is in the case of watergate the facts played out in a television drama and there was no report people then had to get and download and get hold of and read. in this case what does seem to be missing is the narrative being laid out by the democrats. would you agree with that? >> there were the senate hearings and in those senate hearings we heard live witnesses to facts. it wasn't a summary by mueller. it was the actual witnesses so the same as if don mcgann testified, if cory le yi le yy f

they would clear obstruction. it needs to be done in a form that america will understand which is through television and donald trump understands that, that's why he's fighting so hard and trying to continue the obstruction right now in plain sight by trying to prevent us from getting that information. it's very important people see the evidence live. even if we read the mueller report out loud as has been suggested, and it's not a bad idea, it's not the same as hearing the witnesses and judging their credibility. that's really the key is public hearings televised. >> elizabeth, are you surprised that democrats have not proceeded to that? there is no senate committee that's going to do what the watergate committee, which was in the senate, that's not going to happen here. democrats in the house could do those hearings tomorrow. >> of course. and part of the problem is i think they were waiting for the mueller report to bail them out

here, to tell the whole story and to persuade the american people. mueller didn't do, in my opinion, the job that he should have done which is to reach a conclusion as to whether crimes were committed by the president of the united states. that's why we have a special prosecutor to find out if the occupant of the white house is a criminal. that's the key. he didn't draw that conclusion because he felt he couldn't do that for reasons that i don't agree with. the democrats, again, we talked about this before, don't really remember what happened in watergate. they think about starr and the starr report. we department have a report. we had to get the facts -- we had a grand jury report. that's what we got. the senate committee told the american people through live witnesses, democrats need to understand that their responsibility now is to get

that truth out and then, i believe, there will be the public support to start an inquiry into impeachment. >> when the democrats think of donald trump they recall nixon. when they think about themselves and the politics they think about clinton. leadership on the republican side lost their place. the republicans actually made out quite well the other thing that is very different now this case has an attorney general. >> he had a three or four week jump by giving an interpretation that was 100% false.

no collusion. the report shows there was plenty of collusion. >> they've been able to say no collusion for four weeks. >> in fact what it really says there was not enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt donald trump or anybody else committed conspiracy. if you look at the footnotes, clearly one of the reasons they couldn't charge anybody with trafficking the stolen property was because our own laws are outdated. they don't include computer data. you also have a very interesting entry about somebody they were considering charging with actually the hacking, breaking and entering. there was somebody they were considering charging and they didn't. that part is redacted.

there are three buckets of criminality, one, the obstruction of justice, two, the break into the democratic national committee and, three, the use of social media to suppress the clinton vote. all of that has to be explained. there are reasons why charges weren't brought. >> very quickly before we go, because all of that -- all those people could be called in hearings have to be called impeachment hearings, could they just say let's launch the trump-gate hearings and do that monday? >> yes. you are right. it doesn't have to be called impeachment hearings. it can be called anything. that's just a semantic difference. i think it's really important that we go ahead with those and hearing it in plain english. i think that was mueller's big fault was not speaking in plain english. >> i'm told we have to go. what is your pin? >> a meditating buddha, i'm sending good vibes to all of america for compassion and peace and to a special set of friends

going through a difficult time. >> i need a pin book for me. we need to get on this. i need a whole book about your pins. they are amazing. thank you all. and next up who won the week. the week it's been a long time since andrew dusted off his dancing shoes. luckily denture breath will be the least of his worries. because he uses polident 4 in 1 cleaning system to kill 99.99% of odor causing bacteria. polident. clean. fresh. and confident.

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now time for my guests to tell me who won the week. back with me, tiffany cross, where do i begin? tiffany. >> oh my god, eava duvernay, she's a compassionate human being. you just think of all the other nameless and face less boy. i know things happen. people who look like us and talk about it. you think of the 53% of white women who voted for this president, you think of police who did not have such a happy ending, you wonder where is the compassion for everybody.

ava did a wonderful job as she always does. she won the week, bravo, ava and thank you for bringing all your passion and creativity and beauty to this story. >> it is very tough to watch but it is brilliant, beautifully cast and done. jennifer ruben. >> i have another film, this is actually a video put together by republicans for the rules of law, protect democracy. a non-partisan dprgroup that's n suing donald trump since he got into office. this is an explanation of what is in the mueller report. this should be a gold stand for the house. they need to explain what's in the report and not fight over who's going to testify over the report. i think they can fill those seats with prosecutors who have said this is a crime, they need to explain it to the american people and i do agree with

winesbank that public opinion will shift. >> it is a five-minute video, by prosecutors and all republicans. why are republicans are not doing a better job explaining what impeachment will look like. i don't understand. those can all be witnesses. call them. let's go to our closer. this is difficult now. >> i think karine jean-pierre won the week. she literally told the god, not today. >> wakanda forever. it is incredible. >> she was fearless. she won the week. >> her instinct was so smart.

karine jean-pierre is amazing. >> patience, too. >> hey, baby! listen, i have a hard time picking, all of those won the week as well. i have to make mine, i have to shout out to the spelling be winners. the national spelling bee ran out difficult words. they had to award all these students. aaron howard of alabama.

the 12-year-old from flower mound, texas. and rohan, 13 of urban, texas. all of those words, they stumped the questioner, they won the week. thank you, jennifer ruben and tiffany cross. i can pronounce those names perfectly. more "am joy" after the break. r. introducing miracle-gro's next big thing: performance organics. this new organic collection of soil and plant food is what you've always wanted. no compromise. twice the results. guaranteed. miracle-gro performance organics.

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thanks for watching, "am joy" will be back tomorrow. throw it over to alex. it is black music month which was awesome but it is also caribbean heritage month. >> what? >> it is today, too. i had to get that in. >> jean-pierre, wakanda, she's amazing >> she's amazing and she got up there instantly. all right, my friend, have a good day. 9:00 a.m. out west. welcome everyone to alex witt. heated debate whether it is about politics than