thanks for watching, "am joy" will be back tomorrow. throw it over to alex. it is black music month which was awesome but it is also caribbean heritage month. >> what? >> it is today, too. i had to get that in. >> jean-pierre, wakanda, she's amazing >> she's amazing and she got up there instantly. all right, my friend, have a good day. 9:00 a.m. out west. welcome everyone to alex witt. heated debate whether it is about politics than principles. >> i think we'll do what is

right for the country. >> if he could establish obstruction, he would have done it. he could not have done it. >> let's take our time and do this efficiently and not just effectively. >> this president is not above the law. >> the president's britain bound, the headline he already created. >> today virginia beach mourns and looks for answers. developing right now, new indications of how the american public feels about impeachment after robert mueller spoke publicly for the first time in two years. our new cnn poll, 41% in favor of ip peampeaching the presiden that's an increase from 4%. those support impeachment increased by 10%. now the number stands up to 76%. the house majority whip says it is not a matter of if but rather

than when the house starts impeachment inquiry. >> we are trying to to be sure that we do what is necessary to educate the public to make sure the republicans understand what we are doing. if we do it efficiently and effectively, it will be one that the public will understand and will support. if the public ever fear that we are being political with this, we'll have done a tremendous harm to the country. >> this is purely politics. >> their own bases is angry that they lost the election. that's the only reason they want to ip peampeach. >> my advise for our democratic friends is if you want to do it, go hard or go home. if you want to do it, go to

amazon online and buy a spine and do it. >> wow. >> there is some bipartisan support from the formal special counsel that has divide congress. the house of chairman says he's disappointed that mueller does not want to speak more. adam schiff is recommending to subpoena him. >> it is not enough to speak for ten minutes. we want to find out what happens to those camera intelligence that were sent back to headquarters. what concerns us whether the president is vulnerable to influence from russia. >> the members of judiciary committee is up to jerry nadler whether to subpoena mueller. >> i believe he really wants to talk out of mueller because it is better for him to continue a narrative that mueller says things or trying to imply

impeachment. robert mueller does not want to get testified in front of congress because he'll get real questions of how the investigation is done. >> the white house is increasing tariffs starting one week from tomorrow. mexico says on wednesday, top negotiators will try to persuade the trump administration, mexican president is reportedly si signaling, he's willing to enforce this. it was immigration hard liner stooer steven miller who was the force behind this. >> was the president demanding this as a response to the mueller's new cycle. >> nothing can be further to the truth. what i told you before of the group of a thousand people crossing the border, sort of the touch stone for this. were there other ideas floated or people spoke out who gave the downside of doing this? that's what you want the president to hear.

>> let's go from there from the white house. >> welcome to you on this. the white house seems to be doubling down. mick mulvaney says the president is deadly serious of putting tariffs on mexico. what can you tell us? >> doubling down and certainly not acting down if mulvaney is to believe making the rounds on a couple of sunday's shows including "meet the press" there. june 10th is the day that tariffs will be slapped on mexican goods at the toon of 5%. increasing 5% every month until it got to 25% with potential economic hit for the united states estimated of $87 billion. higher prices from everything from avocados to cars and there could be a lot of economic fall-out. however, the argument from mick mulvaney is that's the old way of thinking about economics. that's the old economic orthodox. we have seen tariffs on china

had little impact to no impact on consumer prices thus far. here is a little bit more of what he had to say. >> that old fashion economic orthodox who does not work when it is relatively easy to substitute other goods. prices from china have gone up and products that's made in in the united states, that don't carry tariffs. american consumers will not pay for the burden of these tariffs. at the same time mulvaney says this is not about trade or economic or immigration, this is about trying to coerce mexico into doing something or something more to stop the flow of the exodus of migrants coming into the central of the country like el salvador or gat uatemal. when mulvaney was asked whether or not of these economic positions of these tariffs resulting in the downturn of the economy and more migration that

he allows may actually happen. >> thank you so much. >> joining me now, francesca chambers. charlie savage, msnbc contributor and our washington correspondent from the new york times. charlie, we have heard all of these reports of the president rejecting advice not to do this, did he get a lot of resistance from aides on this? >> the president wants to make a call in his administration if they're not willing to resign, suppose to say yes. we do know that trump has been personally much more interested in using tariffs as a policy tool not just against mexico but china and other places and canadian steel. the republican mainstream thinking of trade policies. it is not surprising that trump

pronounced as a lover of tariffs putting his idiot stamp here. >> is there even some truth to that and is it true americans are not going to pay for this? >> well, that's what the white house says, they say that vice president mike pence also knew about this before he went to canada the other day saying that she was not blindsided. also saying that american consumers won't have to bear the burden of these fluctuations and prices that would be caused by these tariffs if the president does put them into effect on june 10 other. that's something we were asking if the white house on friday how could they believe that's true. american consumers will almost again necessarily bear the brunt

of these as companies raising prices on goods like avocados and order to take into account as the president said to put these tariffs in place. >> let's get to robert mueller, charlie, i will begin with you. both republicans and democrats are saying they want mueller the testify. i am guessing it is not necessary thisily for the same . can you define what reasons each party wants to hear from him? >> robert mueller has been putting out in that statement before in the texts of his report, a sum whome what ambigu message. he reads a trail of bread crumbs through the crime of collusion but he does not come out and say that. we should not decide until after trump is out of office so i am going to put this here and walk away. it is unsatisfying if you a fan of trump or critic of trump.

i think democrats want to come and grill him. the spectacle, we see the power of television, he said nothing in the report. coming out of his mouth in a television screen of the 400 page report made a difference. republicans twoont grill him of the -- it is going to be hard for bob mueller to ride of off -- he's been an important person. maybe an unattendable position. >> i want to get back to the new impeachment. incremental increase but potentially for the democratic stance. what should democrats take away from this? >> well, support may not have changed but the democratic line

is absolutely changed after we heard from the special counsel. you heard several democratic candidates who have said this should be up to the congress to decide calling for impeachment proceedings to begin. we did see a large shift. we have also seen on the sunday's show this morning, you showed jim clyburn moving if leadership saying we need to go through the process to see a top democrat saying he believes that the president will be impeached and that this is the process. the outcome is a little more known as far as democrats see it now more than they did before mueller spoke. >> you have francesca's point and schiff of today's meeting where he thinks the timing is not right. take a listen. >> the speaker has not reached a conclusion and i have not eastward it is best for the

country to put us through a proceeding of impeachment that's destin for tafailure in the senate. that will change if the president continues to demonstrate his unfit for office. >> that calculus may change. how long can schiff and pelosi hold the line for impeachment. >> i think pelosi is a real politic thinker and she's worried also about making the blue dog democrats who just won republican seats in 2018 will be vulnerable in 2020, take a vote that was unpopular in their districts or create a problem for them. especially if things due to failure any way. . that's what she's thinking about in 2020, adam schiff is close to her and is echoing that sort of leadership, let's be realistic here, thinking a lot of ranking

files, forget the politics. we have to do this. also i think he's the chairman of the intelligence committee which is getting some cooperation from the executive branch right now and getting some of the mueller counter intelligence information and in exception to the general stone walling that trump has been doing to other committee. probably the intelligence committee becomes a non player, it is about the judiciary committee at this point. he's less interested in seeing that happens. >> interesting. fran kesscesca flies to london tonight and that's where you are. this morning he denies something he said on tape, we'll reiterate here when he called meghan markle nasty for her 2016 criticism of him. take a listen to that. >> she said she would move to canada if he is elected.

>> i think it is nice and i am sure she will do excellent. she will be very good. i hope she does. >> i don't know how the president is able to deny having said that when the tape right there. >> that's not the question. the question is how is this getting played overseas? >> a little reminisce the last time he came where he did an interview with t"the sun" and h made a comment of theresa may causing a flash here in the u.k. and he had to play clean up during the visit with her. it seems to many people that he was saying that meghan markle is a nasty person. the white house, he was saying her comment was nasty, he did not realize she made such nasty

comments about her offering the difference there of the way it is interpreted and how the president meant it. looks like he'll be playing a little bit of clean up as he lands here in london. >> all right, charles and francesca, good to talk to both of you. let's go to new details on the incident at virginia beach that claims the lives of 12 people. the suspect submitted his resignation on friday morning. they said one of the victims was a higher level supervisor of the suspect. reporters pressed virginia beach that he managed the details of the resignation letter. >> we are determining where that letter is. >> did you say when he submitted it isn't the. >> he notified his chain of command that morning. >> among new revelation, a timeline of how the events unfolded. let's go to hans nichols for

more of this. is official any closer in establishing this? do we know they have seen this resignation letter? >> reporter: we don't know that. we do think it is communicated by e-mail. in terms of a motive, we learned additional details but we have not gotten anything on the question of why this horrific act took place by counseling his neighbor. he was a quiet individual but did not show any malignant tenden tendency. let's listen to how the police chief laid it all out. >> within two-minutes, the first officer arrived on the scene. when i say on scene, that's outside the building. between 4:15 or 4:18 or five to eight minutes after these officers began to enter the building and made contact and engage at the suspect on the second floor of the building. the suspect was firing and he

was moving and doors were closed because individuals were still on that floor sheltering in place. they were returning fire and at one point, the suspect was firing through the doors and the wall and at the officers and the firing stopped. they had to figure a way to breach the door in a tactically safe and sound way. that's not an easy decision to make. there was an individual on the other side of the door. he has a gun. he shot one of your officers. that officer was wounded at about 4:19. they breached the door and the suspect was then alive and was taken into custody and first aid was immediately rendered to him. >> reporter: naid was render to the suspect, the suspect died on the way to the hospital. we have an update over night. one of the patients slipped from

stable. that nemeans you still have fou patients here at the hospital and one of them are in another location in critical condition. the timeline you heard all took place of 36 minutes and officials describe that fire fight as intense. we do know the suspect had two weapons, they were two 45 handguns and it had that sound suppresser on them. >> all happens so fast. >> thank you so much hans nichols in virginia beach. >> time may be running out of the missouri's abortion.

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it is fundamental is an issue. people do not understand women's strength and ability and women are entitled to make their own decisions of their own lives and families and bodies. kamala harris addressing advocate yesterday. the state argues that the clinic is not abiding by health and safety standards, the clinic

refutes that. the missouri governor has signed a law banning abortion after eight weeks. >> welcome to a sunday. missouri becomes the first u.s. state without an abortion provider since roe v. wade, 1973. what's your take on that and what's the response there? >> well, it is an insult to the millions of women in the state of missouri. i think our fate is going to be in the hands of the judiciary, and people in our state are trembling particularly women. my concern about this is overwhelmingly male general

assembly has made a decision on what women should do with their own bodies had nothing to do with you know -- we got to protect the lives of the unborn and so forth. we are a state saying women know what best. we are ready to permit in our state back alley of abortions like we had for decades, maybe centuries frankly before row ver roe v. wade. >> are you seeing supporter abortion rights gaining strengths in your state? if this is about politics and their voices become loud enough, do you this i those leaders you spoke about on the state's level will hear them? >> well, i think the women in particular are becoming louder

and louder. keep in mind that the general assembly acted during the time of great stress in our state. we are having record flooding all over the state of missouri and we are almost into a rainy season where we had very few days that we have not had rain over the last month or so. there are some other issues that are rising above the pond. we are facing -- let me make sure that i am clear. women are going to respond to this and they're going to respond i think very strongly during the upcoming elections and i think those who supported this are making a dreadful mistake.

you think women when folks go to the polls in your state, the next time it is going to be curtain for those who supported this. i think particularly those represent arizona close to either to kansas city or st. louis. they're going to feel the wrath of women and make no mistake about it. this is a very red state. as red as kansas has been since the 1930s. they selected a woman governor. so i think if i were a republican who voted for antiabortion measure, i would be a little nervous if i want to keep my seat. >> let me ask you about impeachment. the last time you and i spoke and that was last month, you told me you would rather beat the president at the ballot box. you got many of your colleagues who have started to support

impeachment inquiry after robert mueller said this. take a listen. >> if we have had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime we would have said so. we did not make a determination as to whether the president commit a crime. the constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accused the president of wrong doing. >> does that at all change your mind? do you believe he was making a referral to congress? >> yes, i do believe he was making a referral to congress. and, let me preface my comment by saying i am not against impeachment. i am against impatience. we got to be very thoughtful as we move ento thinto this arena.

the majority of the american public is not yet there. i just don't relish the thought of more than what donald trump has already done. just think about this, attorney general barr and the president frankly created, prevent the light from shining over this issue and so now we must create insight and by that i think the jurisdiction bmust continue to o what is required. the people have got to be -- we are trying to be thoughtful about this. rushing out for impeachment i think is putting not only ourselves politically at risk, i think it is putting the nation at risk because we are already torn apart. the person has done enormous

damage and i refuse to help him do it. >> democratic manuel cleaver, thank you very much. will gun control become a lasting lasting decisive issue on the campaign trail? issue on the campaign trail ♪

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it is time for us not to normalize the violence and the carnage of gun violence. it is time we come together and stand together and pick a fight with the nra and the corporate gun lobby like we have never seen before. we can lead that fight. and we can win >> wow, you can hear how he felt about that, cory booker gave a passionate speech in california. his message in response to twelve people being gunned down. the shooter was armed with 45 caliber handguns, at least one had a sound suppresser. he used extended capacity magazines with the guns all bought legally.

jonathan alter and our political msnbc analyst. thank you for joining us here. jonathan, is now the time this message presented by cory booker could breakthrough and could gun control action be made on some level? >> not right now but after the next election. take virginia for instance, republicans have control both houses by only two votes. earlier this year they buried and killed a bill that would have done something about those extended magazines that are used for extended rounds that were used in the shooting. that bill passed, does that mean the shooting would not have happened. of course. that's a ridiculous argument by the nra. would it lesson the odds of this happening? absolutely. you can expect that will be on

the ballot in virginia next fall. in many other states, democrats are getting off the defense, they used to be very, very gun shy about going after the issue and they're moving like cory booker onto the offenses. they're going to take it to the voters. the nra suffered a lot of reversal lately. 2021 could be a good year for gun safety legislation and not gun control. that's using their language of pro-life. >> you made two-points i want to pick up with you, susan, mulvaney giving his take on gun control laws earlier. listen to what he had to say. >> we have laws in the books that make murder illegal and people still do it. laws are not going to fix everything. >> so jonathan made that point as well. laws will not fix everything. no one is saying that.

could some reasonable measures seawa actually save lives. the kids from parkland, the survivors of parkland, these are grass root operations that are raising money significant amounts of money. my guest is saying we'll give more money out in the election cycle than the nra. they are building up five bipartisan efforts on gun safety, that's the key. background checks. they're going to take the low hanging fruit where most people agree and including gun owners. most gun owners want responsible gun laws. they want to protect their children like the rest of us. the political of power will come from these grass root organizations. >> jonathan mentions the other part as well how the state of

virginia had banned, had a bill, would have ban the sales of large capacity magazines. does this move the needle at all here? after seeing what happened of virginia beach on friday, this all unfolded with legally purchased guns. >> that's right, what makes it difficult is when this kind of action happens and everything was done correctly, it does not show all loopholes around there whether it is gun sales and other things like that. this is a different part of the argument but it does raise that we have this gun violence in this country like nowhere else in the world and why is it? guns and ammo and things like this are available like nowhere else in the world. in terms of the state positive, jonathan, journalists suggested that there is some progress on the state's level as advocate

are trying to finesse their messages. the nra is facing financial turmoil, do you think the state can rally to do something here. could the state change the appetite on congress trying to press for gun control. >> some states will move forward and some states won't. virginia is trending blue. this could be a really significant thing, not just in virginia but all up and down the east coast where cities are flooded with guns that come from virginia. you often hear this ridiculous nra talking point, well, the district of columbia has these tight gun safety laws and it does not do that good because they had a high rate. guns are coming from virginia across the bridge. in new york city, there are a lot of virginia guns. virginia can move forward on this after the next election, it could have an effect. other countries don't have this

problem. it is not like they don't have mentally ill people, those countries are killers, they have common sense gun safety and they do not have anywhere close to the gun violence that we do. we can address this problem. we can save lives. we just have to have a political will to do that. i think a lot of people as susan mention are getting motivated to get really active in politics and not just at the federal level but at the local level to change laws at the states. and when they do so, they'll see over a five or ten years period of a discernible difference of gun violence. >> we can only hope. >> susan and jonathan, thank you. what would make the president believe that the britts love him? get it! get that butterfly! you know those butterflies aren't actually in the room? hey, that baker lady's on tv again. she's not a baker. she wears that apron to sell insurance. nobody knows why.

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the president is off to the beach of normandy, france, to attend d-day. joining me now is jack blancher. a big welcome to you. we are all talking about that tabloid interview with "the sun." the president mentions boris johnson and meghan markle, talk about how the comments were being interpreted there?

>> we are getting used to this over here. this happened last time the president came to visit us at "the sun." he was talking about brexit and the prime minister. he arrives to the u.k. tomorrow. and we take everything he says with a pinch of salt to be honest with you. it is not a surprise to see him creating headlines. we know his style now and we got used to watching it on the news reports. we expect a lot to happen. >> a europe poll, the president's positive approval rating at 21% and barack obama at 72%. talk about the perception there and the likelihood of protest that's happening while trump is ther there. >> yes, he's a deeply divisive figure over here and everywhere

else in the world. you must not conflate of the protest that we see here. this president of the comments he made of the environment and many of the issues and really upsetting so many people. we are expecting protests on tuesday maybe a quarter of a million people coming out on the streets to protest against him. that's something we have never seen from visit from the u.s. president. that gives you an indication of how people feel. it is not universal. >> let's take a listen of what the mayor of london had to say of the president coming visit, here it is. >> it is important for us to have good relations with our allies. it is important for our allies

here to be here for d-day. i don't think this should be a state visit, why do i say that? our close allies can be our best friend. of course you stand shoulder to shoulder with them but you better call them out when you think they're wrong. >> in in that interview, khan says trump is the most egregious example of a glowing global threat. does that represents how most britts feel? what do you think they don't particularly like about him? >> everyone got a different reason. the mayor of london had grievance with him, as you recall we had a horrific attack here, the president attacked our mayor rather than showing support. that ended badly in london why people feel particularly towards

him. t he's extremely unpopular as well and his decision of the paris agreement and along with other things have turned people against him as well. it is important to remember that there are a lot of people we think is important with the state's visit. it is the anniversary of d-day and we all remember what america did back in the second world war. that's more important to us than who the president is this time. >> we'll see one of those trump tamper-tantrum baby balloon. anyway, you can pretty much bet. jack, thank you so much. if the democrats don't impeach the president, he wins in 2020. my next guest predicts this and answers if the office holds true. ffice holds

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impeachment will be a task. impeachment polls right up there with skim milk among the american people. but my advice to my democratic friends is, if you want to do it, go hard or go home. go to amazon online, buy a

spine, and do it. go hard or go home. if you're not going to do it, then let us get back to work. >> to impeach or not to impeach, that is the question. and the question speaker of the house nancy pelosi will continue to face as more and more house democrats are voicing their support for charging the president, a number that as of today has now reached 54. joining me now to discuss, former democratic senator from montana, max baucus, and presidential historian alan lickman. thank you so much for being here. i want to get to your 2020 prediction, which i've read thoroughly here, which states that if congress does not impeach the president, he will win re-election. now, does that mean if he is impeached, he loses re-election? >> it makes it much more likely that he'll lose re-election. look, i don't believe impeachment should be based on political expediency, but here there is no rift. impeachment is right morally and constitutionally, and it's right politically.

democrats are falling into the same trap they fell into in 2016. that is following the polls and the conventional wisdom and believing they can cruise to victory with a not-to-lose strategy. my keys to the white house, however, which predicted trump's win in 2016, tell a very different story. the keys measure the strength and performance of the incumbent republicans who are holding the white house. it takes six keys to knock them out. right now they're down only three. impeachment, which involves an investigation and public hearings, an accusation, and a public trial in the senate would turn the fourth key, the scandal key, and make it much more likely that other keys would fall, like a real contest for trump's renomination or a third party. remember, even before the house judiciary committee voted articles of impeachment against richard nixon, the public revelations drove his approval

rating down from 67% to 25%. >> it's fascinating. you have 13 keys. it's in "the hill." people should read this because it's extraordinary the way you outline this. senator, an opinion contributor for "usa today" writes, democrats need to get past impeachment jitters. it's not 1998 and trump is no clinton. i know you voted not guilty for clinton back in the '90s, but why is what's going on today any different? >> well, first, president clinton should not have been impeached. the charge was basically subversion of perjury, which means he lied under oath. this is much different now. president trump looks like -- it's a high probability that he has violated some crimes. we don't know for sure, but it looks that way. the key here is the middle of the electorate.

about 30%, i think, of americans are very much posopposed to tru. they'll impeach the at drop of a hat. another 30% are his base and won't tolerate impeachment. that means congress has to get the facts. don't forget, special counsel mueller essentially said, hey, congress, you should look into this more. add to that there are lots of area where probably president trump could well be guilty of crimes. the emolument clause, for example. second, it's campaign finance laws. you know, cohen's already pleaded guilty. third, there's lots of questions around he is commercial dealings with a german bank and with russians. there's a lot there. the key here, though, is the house has to investigate very slowly, in a way that does not come across as political. that is, they have to be very

disciplined. the house members are not disciplined. believe me, they're not at all. they want to give five-minute speeches. they should instead ask very good questions like kamala harris did, like aoc did in the house. very good questions to get the facts out and not give speeches. second, very important that the house track this. not just investigate the president, but also come up with some very solid legislation. it's very important. infrastructure, other ways to help farmers. republicans won't support it. the senate won't support it. but the house democrats show that they can govern in addition to trying to get facts on the president. then that middle 60% i think will come around and probably want to support efforts to impeach the president. >> all right. gentlemen, unfortunately, i'm a bit out of time. i wanted to speak with you about mitch mcconnell and his pursuit, potentially, of filling a vacant

supreme court seat, were that to happen in 2020, which he said he would not do. you can just say the words merrick garland, if you know about history. >> can i say one more thing? >> yes, please. >> mitch mcconnell saying, hey, you know, i blocked merrick garland, but i'll take a republican nominee proves what we know about the two parties today. we have a republican party with no principles but a spine and a democratic party with principles but so far no spine. they can still grow a spine. >> interesting analogy there. gentlemen, i'll have you both back to speak about many things in the future. thank you so much. >> thank you. the chances the president will impose that new tariff on mexico and the top administration official who says it's not just a threat. and the growing crowd of democrats calling for impeachment. one of the faces in this crowd, we'll explain why he thinks the president is not trying to bait them into an impeachment inquiry. inquiry. ♪ corey is living with metastatic breast cancer,

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to impeach or not to impeach? a new poll finds more americans leaning in one direction while one group is already sold on the idea. britain bound. the president heads to the uk carrying with him fresh controversies. tariff tantrum. why trump's attacks on mexico and the democrats may do little to curtail illegal immigration. a good day, everyone, from msnbc world headquarters in new york. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." happening right now, a new indication the public support for impeachment may not have significantly changed since former special counsel robert mueller spoke publicly for the first time in two years.

a new cnn poll found 41% favor impeachment. that is an increase of about four percentage points from last month. among democrats, those who support impeachment has now increased by seven percentage points. the house majority whip says it's not a matter of if, rather when, the house starts an impeachment inquiry. >> we believe that if we do it efficiently and effectively, it will be one that the public will understand and will support. if the public ever feels that we're being political with this, we will have done a tremendous harm to the country. >> and top republicans are suggesting exactly what congressman james clyburn is trying to avoid. >> this is purely politics. their own base is angry because they lost an election. that's the only reason they want to impeach. there's no facts or reason why. >> my advice to my democratic friends is if you want to do it, go hard or go home.

you know, if you want to do it, go to amazon online, buy a spine, and do it. >> and just a few moments ago, i asked a democratic congress member who fears dividing the country further, whether he's any closer now to supporting an impeachment inquiry. >> i'm not against impeachment. i'm against impatience. we've got to, i think, be very, very thoughtful as we move into this arena. because the majority of the american public is not yet there. >> plus, there is some bipartisan support for the former special counsel to testify before congress. the house intelligence chair says he's disappointed robert mueller does not want to speak further. adam schiff is willing to recommend subpoenaing mueller if necessary. >> he has one last service to perform. it's not enough merely to speak for ten minutes. there are a great many things that are not in the report.

we want to find out what happened to those counterintelligence findings that were sent back to headquarters. what other things did you learn during the investigation that ought to concern us in terms of whether the president is vulnerable to influence from russia? >> and the ranking member of the judiciary committee says it's up to chairman jerry nad ler whether to subpoena mueller. >> i don't believe he really wants to talk to robert mueller because it's better for him to continue a narrative that robert mueller said things or implied things that he's trying to imply to the american people is impeachment. robert mueller doesn't want to testify before congress because he's going to get real questions about how the investigation was done. >> meanwhile, the white house is defending the president's threat to impose increasing tariffs on all mexican goods starting a week from tomorrow. mexico says on wednesday its top negotiators will try to persuade the trump administration to back down. the mexican president is reportedly signaling he is willing to reinforce measures to contain the surge of immigrants crossing the border. my colleague chuck todd asked the acting white house chief of

staff mick mulvaney about sources telling nbc news the two top economic advisers oppose the tariff threat but that it was immigration hardliner stephen miller who was the force behind it. >> was the president demanding this as a response to the mueller news cycle? >> no, absolutely not. in fact, nothing could be further from the truth. what i told you before about that group of a thousand people crossing the border was sort of the touch stone for this. were there other ideas floated? yes. were there other ideas considered? yes. were there people who spoke out, who zbagave sort of the downsidf doing this? yes, but that's what you want the president to hear. >> let's go to the white house. another good afternoon to you, mike. what else is coming from the white house about this? >> reporter: you know, mick mulvaney there, the acting chief of staff, using an interesting argument. he says the days of economic orthodoxy, as he called them, are over. tariffs aren't necessarily going to translate to higher inflation, higher prices on consumer goods for americans. he says just look at china.

of course, the trade war with china, so to speak, began about a year ago. core inflation, if you take out gas prices, has pretty much stayed very low, relatively steady. however, the president kicked up those china tariffs, took effect as of yesterday. so the jury is still out on that. what he made clear, did mulvaney, is this is an effort to coerce mexico. this is not an economic measure. this isn't necessarily even about trade. this is trying to get mexico to do something about the flow of immigrants flowing north through their country from those three latin american countries, central american countries, honduras, guatemala, and el salvador, princefully. here's a little more of what mulvaney had to say. >> he's absolutely deadly serious. i expect these tariffs to go on to the 5% level on june 10th. the president is deadly serious about fixing the situation at the southern border. 2500 people are coming over every single day. so the numbers are huge.

the situation is real. and the president is deadly serious about fixing the problem. >> alex, you heard mulvaney. 5% on june 10th. a month after that, up to 10%. all the way up to a possible 25%. estimates are that would cost the u.s. economy some $87 billion over the course of the year. and one more fascinating point, argument made by mulvaney. he says when asked if this would simply result in more migration, economic migration from mexico and central america, he admitted it would. it may lead to an economic downturn, ironically forcing more people to the southern border. alex? >> that is extraordinary. that's been one of the fallout points. people have said don't do this because more immigrants come. okay. thank you if that are. let's go to new details on the tragedy in virginia beach that claimed the lives of 12 people. the suspect in friday's shooting was indeed in the process of resigning his position as a city engineer and had submitted his resignation on friday morning.

they said one of the victims, richard nettleton was a higher level supervisor of the suspect. >> we are determining where that letter is. >> can you say when he submitted it? >> he notified his chain of command that morning. >> more new revelations coming out of that press conference, including a timeline of how the events unfolded there. joining me now, nbc's ronn allen for more on this. i know you were there at that presser. where does this new information leave the investigation? >> reporter: well, alex, the most intriguing thing is the fact that the suspect resigned that morning. sent an email to his bosses and then at 4:00 in the afternoon arrived back in his office. he may have been there all day. we're not sure about that detail. and went on this rampage. the investigators were trying to emphasize that he had not been fired, had not been terminated, and that they also said that to

their knowledge, there was no sort of disciplinary process under way. there had been some reports out there suggesting that there had been some problems between the gunman and some of his co-workers in recent weeks and it escalated. again, the authorities are playing down that but still are not revealing clearly what the motive was for this attack. so that was the most intriguing part of it. they also said -- released a lot of details about the timeline of what happened. basically, information, for example, that the first police officers to arrive at the scene arrived there, two detectives who are about 300 yards away at a police station, arrived within two minutes. they said the time that it took to essentially subdue the gunman took anywhere between five to eight minutes, what they say is a very long, drawn-out shootout for a law enforcement officer. just imagine what it's like to be engaged in a gun battle between a guy who has a high-capacity magazine on a semiautomatic weapon who's in a building that's some three

stories tall that the authorities say it s a honeycomb. it's an old building. there are lots of offices, lots of locked doors. so they're trying to find him and he's moving. the whole encounter takes some 36 minutes until they essentially corner him in an office where he's shooting through the doors at them. here's that part of the timeline that the police chief explains. >> at one point, the suspect was firing through the door and through the wall at the officers and then the firing stopped. they had to figure a way to breach the door in a tactically safe and sound way. that's not an easy decision to make. there's an individual on the other side of the door. he has a gun. he just shot one of your officers. that officer was wounded at about 4:19. they eventually breach the door. when they breach the door, the suspect was then alive and was taken into custody and first-aid was immediately rendered to him.

>> reporter: the authorities made a point, in fact, that he was apprehended, alive, taken into custody. these officers who had just been fired upon, who just had a colleague wounded, took the time, made a serious effort, they said, to try and save this gunman's life. they say he died later at the hospital. so there were a lot of details about that and about what happened and about the heroism of the officers but still not a real clear answer to the question of why this happened, what his real motive was. >> i wonder if we'll ever really get that. it's hard to understand the mind of somebody who, you know, behaves in this manner. but ron allen, thank you very much for that timeline and more. joining me now, democratic representative from tennessee, congressman steve cohen. congressman, welcome to you. you just heard ron's report there. so a great source of frustration for this country has been the lack of meaningful progress that's been made regarding any sort of gun regulations by the federal government. but then recently, there have

been states that have had some success passing stricter gun laws. so from congress' point of view, has congress given up passing any gun regulation? is this up to the states now? >> well, the states don't have mitch mcconnell. the senate does, and the house is stymied by him. we passed a gun bill, and it would have -- it was pretty modest, would have required background checks on all purchases, and we also passed a bill concerning the charleston, south carolina, shooting to give a little extra time to check out some applications that would have made stopped that fellow from doing what he did. but mitch mcconnell did not schedule either bill for a hearing. they're pretty simple, easy bills. they'd pass with overwhelming support. but mitch mcconnell won't schedule them. he calls the senate the graveyard of house legislation. we passed ethics legislation. >> why does mitch mcconnell think that way?

is there something -- are there dollars and cents behind this? what is it? >> well, there's not sense behind it. there could be dollars. what you've got is the nra controls the republican party. the nra gives ratings, and the nra doesn't want this to happen. the nra wanted to pass a bill that would make it easier for people to buy silencers. silencers are part of the virginia beach tragedy. the first shooting was outdoors. nobody heard it. the nra controls the republican party. while some of the folks in the senate say the democrats need to go to amazon and buy a spine, i'd say those that can't stand up for people being shot and killed in schools and in community centers and throughout this country need to get a spine and stand up to the nra. >> look, you have been candid with me before about sort of behind the scenes and what your colleagues tell you. have you heard republicans -- have they said to you, steve, we wish that we could vote a different way, but we just can't do it? personally in their hearts, in

their minds they think some sort of sensible, reasonable gun control legislation, on any number of fronts, really ought to be put forth in the federal government. >> i haven't heard that from them, no. i've heard quite a few that they don't like trump, they don't like trump's way he acts as president, both in his statements, his tweets, his derogatory remarks about groups and women in particular, just his whole style. but they haven't said it about the gun laws. i think there are a lot of people in our country that think a lot about guns. i understand that. but nevertheless, already reasonable restrictions. i don't think there should be these weapons that shoot so quickly that the only purpose is to kill. it's not for sport. it's not for hunting. it's for killing. and there are reasonable restrictions that we could have. i passed the original right to carry bill in tennessee. i'm not against people having a gun to protect themselves. >> is anybody against that? constantly you hear the cry, the

pushback. oh, they're trying to take away our guns, take aware our amendment rights to have them. is anybody saying that? >> well, there are some people that will -- i mean, people say protect our second amendment rights. i had a fella come to my town hall this week. he talked about how we had the strongest army in the world with the citizens with their guns. that's a different perspective to think of citizens with guns as our army. that's kind of the idea of some people who think they need their guns to protect themselves against the government. there's some really looney tunes ideas out there. they relate oftentimes to people with guns who think they're out there to fight the government. >> okay. we could talk about this for a long time, but i want to ask you about impeachment as well. there's a new poll out this morning that shows 41% of people now support removing the president from office. you're calli-- your colleague j nadler says impeachment is a

political act. do you feel like you have the public support necessary to move forward on this? >> i don't know if we do or don't. i certainly think it's the right thing to do morally. i think it's the right thing to do to put a check on this president's power and any future president who tries to obstruct justice, violate the emoluments clause, and not respect congress and the three branches of government. this president is totally out of control as far as disrespect for congress and doing investigations. they refuse to turn over materials, requests for documents. they've refused to testify and honor subpoenas. in the justice department, they refused the order of a judge to produce some information. you just don't willy nilly say to a judge, we're not going to do it. they are basically testing every single restriction on presidential executive authority going beyond what the founding fathers described for the

president and going to something that's more autocratic a. >> i want to play for you what your colleague congressman debbie dingell had to say about impeachment in morning. take a listen. >> there's a theme throughout this report about how russia is trying to defy this country. i don't want to play into russia's hands and divide this country more with a partisan impeachment. so i am totally schizophrenic right now about all of the different things that are in there. i think we have to do this in a bipartisan way. >> actually, she spoke with me this morning, but that was from friday. what do you think about her argument? does it lack merit at all to you? >> well, i'm a big fan of debbie's, but i don't think we have to worry about russia and what we do to uphold our own government, which is the best known to man. right now it's being attacked because of a president who

doesn't respect what the founding fathers put in the constitution. he doesn't respect the constitution. he doesn't respect congress. he doesn't respect the judiciary. he doesn't respect the free press. i don't agree with that. i can see where you're torn. people can feel that they have, as i do, a duty to uphold our constitutional oath and that impeachment is necessary whether or not the senate will convict is another issue. you have a hearing, you produce the record for the american public to hear the misdeeds, the criminal acts of this president, and if the house does that and votes to impeach and the senate doesn't, that's the senate's fault. the house's job is to decide whether or not there should be an impeachment. and we should do that. on the other hand, there's the politics of it. you think, well, if he doesn't get convicted, it's going to give him reason to cream, i'm exonerated. he's going to say that kind of stuff anyway. i think some senators will be in jeopardy of losing their jobs if they don't grow a spine and get

away from trump. the only people with spine over on the republican side were corker and flake who left. lamar alexander on occasion, ben sass on occasion, mitt romney once or twice. other than that, there's a problem with somer ha problem. >> steve cohen, good to see you. thank you so much. >> thank you, alex. nice to see you. >> thank you. from the golden state to a key swing state, how bernie sanders and joe biden are doing battle in different ways, next.

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let's go now to 2020 and democratic candidates out on the trail. michael bennett, seth molten, cory booker, and beto o'rourke. according to the latest polling, joe biden remains the front runner, almost doubling the number of supporters as his closest rival bernie sanders. the first debates are only 24 days away, happening here on the nbc network. joining me now, nbc road warriors. you guys are becoming familiar faces all the time. we're glad to have you. we're going to go to california at the state democratic party. what's the latest from there? what's been the big buzz? >> reporter: yeah, alex, actually bernie sanders just kicked off today's program. he's speaking on stage behind me right now. he led off with some really harsh comments about president donald trump, saying that he's the worst president in history

and that everyone here is united in wanting to beat him. bernie sanders obviously very keen to make that contrast between himself and president donald trump. other candidates who were here yesterday were also keen to make contrasts with trump but with the other democrats in the field. i'm thinking specifically of someone like elizabeth warren, who may some comments which were interpreted as veiled jabs at vice president joe biden, who's not out here in california. listen to what she said. >> some democrats in washington believe the only changes we can get are tweaks and nudges. if they dream at all, they dream small. some say if we'll just calm down, the republicans will come to their senses. but our country is in a time of crisis. the time for small ideas is over. >> reporter: and of course, alex, she has not been quiet about her disagreements with joe biden on things like policies,

spskly bankruptcy and other things in the financial sector. so elizabeth warren not new to the contrast with joe biden. but mayor pete buttigieg also made his own veiled contrast by making a generational argument for his own candidacy while saying at the same time that we can't be looking back at the 2000s, which would be barack obama and by extension joe biden, or the 1990s, which would be an extension of clinton. several candidates here really came to make that contrast, all in the name of, at the end of the day, going up against donald trump and to this crowd, that is still top priority, beating donald trump in 2020. >> yeah, and how long has bernie sanders been speaking there? we're hearing some eruptions from the crowd. one right now. how is he being received? very heartily? >> reporter: yeah, this is a crowd he led off by referencing he was thankful for their support in 2016 and wants to keep this revolution going. so clearly he's trying to draw on the support he had in 2016 and bring in new supporters.

i have to say he's been on stage for several minutes and is receiving a very positive reaction. yesterday, if i compare that to yesterday, elizabeth warren, kamala harris, other folks got similar receptions. >> okay, duly noted. we were talking about what kamala harris in particular yesterday was going to need in putting her up against bernie sanders there. okay. thank you so much. let's go to garrett. he's in columbus, ohio. that's where joe biden is campaigning today. so what's happening there, garrett? >> reporter: well, alex, joe biden was here last night for the hrc, the human rights coalition's big gala in columbus, ohio, speaking to a group where he has really proven his meddle. during 2012 during the height of that president campaign, it was joe biden who came out first ahead of barack obama and said he was perfectly comfortable with the issue of marriage equality, essentially forcing the obama administration to keep up with him. that earned him an extraordinary amount of goodwill among the lgbtq community. and joe biden was here last

night soaking in some of that goodwill, taking a little bit of the front runner's prerogative to not have to be at one of these big cattle call events like that in california. instead, here in ohio, which is not a particularly important nominating state, but of course is everything when it comes to the presidential contest itself in a general election. true to his own word, he's not taking aim at any of the other democrats in this race. although, listening to ali's report, it makes me excited to see how this will play out on the debate stage. instead, joe biden trained his fire on the white house, particularly on that issue of lgbtq rights. take a listen to how he framed this last night. >> it's an idea, an idea that says that we are about providing everybody who's here access to dignity and respect. and it's beneath the leadership we have in the white house. they're on the wrong side of

history. >> reporter: and i have to tell you, alex, i've watched joe biden now in a couple different contexts, couple different formats. he seemed very comfortable last night. he was working with a teleprompter, but he was also speaking more broadly about his values and what he believes in and playing on the heart strings of the people in the crowd as opposed to talking about the specifics of a policy plan, for example. it was very interesting to watch him be so strong in that context n that room last night where he had a very, very welcome reception. >> okay. garrett haake, thank you so much for that. and joining me now, amber phillips from "the washington post" and jane newton small, contributor for "time" magazine. amber, to you first. you heard garrett talking about what joe biden is doing. obviously he decided to skip the california convention. only facing some stiff criticism from delegates and elected officials there. there's a school of thought it's because his more centrist politics don't necessarily line

up as much with the even further left of california. do you think that's why he did it? >> i think it's more that biden doesn't feel like he has to worry about trying to court the liberal base right now. as you show the latest poll numbers, he's almost double in support among democratic primary from bernie sanders who's next to biden one of the most well-known democrats in all of america. so former vice president biden feels like he can run as a front runner, as if he's already got the nomination. he doesn't need to worry, in his mind set, about trying to win over the liberal base. if it's a choice between him and trump, they're going to go for him. >> yeah, which is again why garrett's point was well taken, that i'm so excited to see him on the debate stage. that's going to be interesting. this convention this year saw a record number of presidential candidates. 14 hopefuls participating there in california. what's behind this poll?

what do you think is different this time around? >> well, alex, i think you see california playing a much bigger role in the nominating process for democrats, where it used to be in campaigns past, in the last four presidential campaigns i covered, almost all the candidates spent the bulk of their time in iowa and new hampshire, maybe a little bit in south carolina and florida. now you're seeing super tuesday, where california is going to hold their contest this time around, being a lot more important because of the way the delegates are picked. you don't really have super delegates anymore. because the process has changed a lot to place more emphasis on super tuesday and because of the number of candidates, sheer number of candidates in the field, 24 candidates. that's so many people. it's going to be hard to have a clear front runner knockout. iowa and new hampshire are very early on. it's going to be a close contest, at least through super tuesday. so there's a hope that california, particularly for somebody like kamala harris, or everyone for elizabeth warren, might be something that could really close the race for them.

>> how about the debates, amber? is there any expectation that those back-to-back debates in three weeks and change are going to do a lot to win over the field? >> i think the democratic national committee, the ones who are setting up this debate, really hope so. there are too many candidates right now for them to even have on the debate stage. so they've had to limit the number of candidates based on donors and polling. they're going to narrow that even more in the next debates in september. what's really odd about these debates that makes it difficult for me to answer your question based on my own analysis is we're not going to have like front runner debating front runner potentially. the democratic national committee is going to put names in a hat and put them on the stage. they have a little bit of rules in place to try to prevent a total undercard debate and then vice president biden and sanders on one stage. but we've never seen this dynamic before. we haven't seen two debates back

to back in a night. we don't know if people will tune in the next night. we don't know who's debating who. >> it's as if it's going to be a varsiti varsity versus a jv. do you have a prediction as to what the number may be after this debate? the 24 down to, what, cut in half or what do you think? >> it's so difficult this time around because obviously some candidates are having problems, you know, raising money. you see increasingly desperate appeals for money. seen i do think that there is a potential for someone to get knocked out if they do a particularly poor job in the debate. at the same time, we're in a post-citizens united game for money. so anybody with their own personal billionaire has the option to stay in the race as long as they want. >> all right. ladies, good to see you both. thank you so much. all that impeachment talk. are americans warming to the idea? we'll talk about it next. ans wae idea we'll talk about it next when you shop for your home at wayfair, you'll find just

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new today, a fresh look at how the public feels. a new cnn poll shows the majority of americans, 54%, are against impeaching the president. however, when it comes to democrats, 76% want to see him

impeached or removed from office. joining me now, democratic strategist stacy kerr, a former aide to house speaker nancy pelosi, and amy tarkanian. all right. so stacy, democratic presidential candidates seemingly taking notice of this appetite for impeachment from their own party. let's take a listen to kamala harris this weekend. >> he obstructed justice then hired an attorney general to clean up the crime scene. we need to begin impeachment proceedings, and we need a new commander in chief. >> okay, look, you hear the cheers there. the message may be working within the party. but after seeing the numbers here from voters overall, do you think the strategy works come the general election? >> well, thank you for having me, alex. and as you mentioned, i worked for -- had the pleasure of working for speaker pelosi for ten years. i can tell you this. nancy pelosi is the master of

her domain. and democrats would be wise to follow her on this. i think what nancy pelosi is saying is -- what nancy pelosi is driven by are the two responsibilities of the house of representatives, and that is oversight and it is fixing challenges for the american people. so what nancy pelosi, what speaker pelosi is saying is let's walk and chew gum. let's make the strongest case possible, let's continue to legislate and fix challenges that the american people sent us here to do, and let's let the american people decide. >> just came to mind, is there any benefit, stacy, for democrats to continue the discussion, to continue the investigations, to get information, and then potentially if they find that their discovery warrants, start an impeachment inquiry a lot closer to november of 2020? could that be more effective? >> well, i think that's exactly

what speaker pelosi is saying. let's go get the facts and let's go where the facts lead us. so i think conducting oversight, there's plenty of room for oversight on this administration. and i think that will be the decision for the house of representatives and the congress to make. >> amy, are you concerned about that, that the more that this conversation is not dropped, the more the issue is not dropped and the more discovery that is made by investigations and the further likelihood -- you've heard it said it's not a question of if but rather when the house goes for impeachment proceedings. is it worrisome for you that it would happen all the much closer to an election? >> i actually think it's not going to happen. i think there's zero chance. nancy pelosi has actually said in the very beginning of all this conversation that she did not even want to go that

direction. and i think very wisely so. when you look historically from what happened with bill clinton when republicans filed articles of impeachment, they lost terribly in the following election. those 46 roughly house members that are in favor of following through with impeachment, they actually are representative of very liberal communities. so there's no lose/lose for these folks. i think speaker pelosi, like stacy said, she is very intelligent and knows if she continues this conversation, it will help with the re-election of her house members. >> what do you think about donald trump, amy? does he want democrat opponents to be talking impeachment? could it work to his advantage? >> it will definitely work for his advantage. if you notice, joe biden or bernie sanders, neither one of them have mentioned impeachment. you have most of the other candidates like kamala harris that are actually wanting more oxygen. they're gasping for air at this point and trying to get more relevant, so they're catering

towards the base. >> okay. amy and stacy, good to see you both. thank you so much. >> thank you. so the president insists we need a wall to keep us safe, but my next guest says the only one trump should be building is a sea wall. former secretary of homelands security janet napolitano is next. itano is next think all premium fuels are the same? new shell v-power nitro+ premium gasoline is engineered with four levels of defense against gunk, wear, corrosion and friction. that helps keep your engine running like new. so, maybe it's time to unthink what you think you think about premium fuel. shell v-power nitro+ premium gasoline... it's fuel for thought. when crabe stronger...strong, with new nicorette coated ice mint. layered with flavor... it's the first and only coated nicotine lozenge. for an amazing taste... ...that outlasts your craving.

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drug dealers, cartels, human traffickers, illegal immigrants, and others. own joining me now, former secretary of homeland security in the obama administration, janet napolitano. she has a new book, "how safe are we: homeland security after 9/11." i've read much of it. it is excellent. thank you, madam secretary, for joining me. let's start off by asking you about the sovereign border. we are still technically in a national emergency. so being the former homeland security chief, is the southern border a national security issue? >> you know, no. the border is a zone to be managed. it is 1940 miles. it's interspersed with ports of entry through which thousands of vehicles traverse every day. mexico is a leading trading partner. and you know, there is a need for a strategy at the border. a wall is a symbol. it's not a strategy. >> so is focusing on the southern border, does that take away any resources for other

initiatives in the dhs? >> yeah, you know, you would think that the department of homeland security is the department of the wall, where in fact, the department has broad responsibilities. there are three that i think are being underinvested in. one is all of the risks associated with extreme weather events and global warming. two is cyber and cybersecurity. our nation's critical infrastructure, how are we protecting that? and three, as we saw so tragically in virginia beach on friday, the rise in mass gun violence. those are the big risks that americans confront. >> you know, you mentioned the sea. in your book specifically, you write, if president trump wants to build a big beautiful wall to protect the united states, he should at least make it a sea wall because climate change is, in your mind, a national security threat. explain to what extent you think

that is true. >> well, when you think of homeland security as protecting the safety of americans and you look at the loss of life and property damage attributable to the landfall hurricanes, greater number of tornadoes, drought in the west followed by massive wildfire, you see that climate change is directly affecting the safety of americans and of our communities. we need to have a national focus on this. two prongs. one is we need to do our part to reduce our emissions into the atmosphere. then two, adaptation. how do we construct fire wise communities? if a community is destroyed by hurricane, do we rebuild it in the same location, or do we rebuild it somewhere else? how do we adapt to the planet that we now have? >> interesting. there's another aspect of homeland security.

that would be the elections. i want to play for you robert mueller commenting on a key finding in his report. here's that. >> as alleged by the grand jury in an indictment, russian intelligence officers who are part of the russian military, launched a concerted attack on our political system. >> so now that we know it happened, is the department of homeland security better prepared to recognize it and take it on effectively before 2020? >> you know, i certainly hope so, but i actually think the department, you know, it works for the white house, for the president, and we need stronger message from the white house about the fact that russia attacked our democracy itself. it's unacceptable. then a national plan for how we prevent this from happening in 2020. >> it is the book "how safe are we." it's broken up the mission, what we got right, what we still need to improve, and then finally a

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u.s. leaders set to meet with officials from mexico wednesday in an attempt to diffuse a major trade conflict. thises athe president announced a set of aggressively increasing tariffs on mexico. he said they are not doing enough to stem the flow of migrants coming across the border. joining me now, hector sanchez. hector, big welcome to you. i'm curious about your impressions on the impact the tariffs could have on the u.s., on mexico. >> let me start by asking a question. when do we say enough to a president that has proven in two years he's a threat to democracy, he's a threat to national security. this is another example, a threat to our economy. let's recognize that this tariff is going to affect mostly the u.s. consumers. it's going to affect the u.s.

businesses. you've already seen effects on wall street. there was an article in the dallas morning news recently that shows that these will have a very serious effect on texas. this are really bad policies from a president that doesn't understand the basics of the economy and doesn't understand domestic policy and international politics. >> he's going against the advice of his own treasury secretary, u.s. trade representative and senior advisor jared kushner who all three said please don't go here. we don't want to put these tariffs on mexico. but the president has said that mexico is not doing enough to stem the flow of migrants coming across the u.s. border, and the mexican president has responded by saying that mexico intends to shore up their ability to do that. so is there truth to the president -- to president trump's claim? >> two important points on this issue. first of all, mexico is the most important ally that we have in the world.

mexico has historically been our best ally, has been there during times and peace and war. the second point related to immigration, we need to change the national conversation on immigration. we are responsible for the issue of immigration. we are addicted to cheap labor. we are addicted to people taking care of our kids. we want people to stake care of our gardens, serve our food, clean our rooms. we need to recognize that we need these 11 million undocumented workers in the nation. we need to include them in our society and create systems of inclusion. we need immigration reform to legalize them. this is not the way to go. >> what do you think is going to happen on wednesday, then, in this meeting. >> there has to be real honest conversations. remember, we have seen these threats for the last month. he cut foreign aid to central america. he threatened to close the border recently. we haven't seen any real solutions. we are asking the nation,

congress and everybody to say enough is enough. call to action, call to solutions and hopefully this will be reflected in the next presidential elections. >> okay. chairman of the national hispanic leadership, hector sanchez. thank you for your time. >> thank you for the invitation. the tense moments on the road for one presidential hopeful. how security is being addressed, next. how security is being addressed, next ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ applebee's new loaded fajitas. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood.

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you never know what life is going to throw at you. [ whimpering ] and from this point on. nothing is going to be the same. [ "all these things that i've done" by the killers ] no, no, no. this way buddy. no! liam's heads for comforts is in the 80th percetile. oh that's cool. it's a lot of head. it's like you're the dad and i'm the mom and we're in a relationship and this is our baby. [ laughing ] well... it's exactly like that! exactly! we are all out of time here on "weekends with alex witt" and

i'm on time for once. my colleague kendis gibson will pick up the coverage from here. >> you're even early. >> i'm going to start talking right now. >> we have a very busy day ahead. have a great day, alex. hi, everybody, i'm kendis gibson. a super weekend in california from the tense moments when a man grabs kamala harris' microphone, the impeachment battle cry that reigned down on nancy pelosi, and cory booker going it alone on gun violence. plus the emailed message a gunman sent to his boss just hours before he killed 12 people at a government building in virginia beach. and trump under siege. why critics are snuffing out the fire and fury of michael wolff's new tell-all book before it hits shelves this tuesday. but we are going to begin with some major and in some cases scary moments on the campaign trail this weekend. you had some 14 candidates who