welcome to "kasie dc." i'm kasie hunt we're live every sunday from washington from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. eastern. tonight separation sunday. elbows get sharper as democrats in the 2020 field try to put daylight between themselves and the rest of the pack. plus pressure mounts on speaker nancy pelosi to impeach the president. i'll talk with homeland security chair bennie thompson has more than 50 democrats call for proceedings. a new wave of abortion laws are signed across the country

setting up court battles i'm joined live by planned parenthood's president. tonight, democrats acknowledge there is a growing desire in their ranks to impeach the president. >> you think the president will be impeached or proceedings will begin in the house at some point but not right now? >> yes, that's exactly what i feel. i think we've already begun it. we have all of these committees doing their work. we're having hearings. we have already won two court cases. right now we're winning this issue. >> the reality is, little has changed since the mueller report came out. and so, as we come on the air tonight, i want to conduct a bit of a thought experiment. what if we reordered how we learned about the contents of the mueller report? nothing that anybody says changes. all that changes is when they said it. >> i was surprised to hear there

was anything negative in the mueller report at all about president trump. i hadn't heard that before, and i mainly listened to conservative news, and i hadn't heard anything negative about that report. and president trump had been exonerated. >> that comment came this week from a woman attending a town hall for congressman justin amash. the lone republican who's called for impeachment. it makes you wonder how people would think about all of this, if you simply changed the order of operations as they called it in math class. what if, right off the bat, robert mueller called a news conference and said this. >> russian intelligence officers who are part of the russian military launched a concerted attack on our political system. the indictment alleges that they used sophisticated cyber techniques to hack into

computers and networks used by the clinton campaign, they stole private information and released it through fake online identities and the organization wikileaks. the releases were designed and timed to interfere with our election and to damage a presidential candidate. this volume includes a discussion of the trump campaign's response to this activity, as well as our conclusion that there was insufficient evidence to charge a broader conspiracy. and in the second volume, the report describes the results and analysis of our obstruction of justice investigation involving the president. if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so. under long-standing department policy, a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. that is unconstitutional. even if the charge is kept under

seal and hidden from public view, that too is prohibited. >> so say that's the first thing you hear after the mueller report is finished. and then the entire written report comes out. then comes barr's memo, the attorney general and his news conference. >> i'd leave it to his description in the report, the special counsel's own articulation of why he did not want to make a determination as to whether or not there was an obstruction offense. but i will say that when we met with him, we specifically asked him about the olc opinion and whether or not he was taking the position that he would have found a crime but for the existence of the olc opinion, and he made it very clear, several times, that that was not his position. he was not saying that but for the olc opinion he would have found a crime. he made it clear that he had not

made the determination that there was a crime. i didn't talk to him directly about the fact that we were making the decision, but i am told that his reaction to that was that it was my -- my prerogative as attorney general to make that decision. >> a little different isn't it? the special counsel did not agree with how the attorney general presented things there. so he wrote to him saying in part, quote, there is now public confusion about critical aspects of the results of our investigation. because, mueller said, the summary letter did not capture the context, nature and substance of his conclusions. mueller's brief remarks this week were not significantly different from what was in his report, but it is also true that -- and president trump knows this better than anybody -- that we are living in a performative society and sometimes things televised have

a way of seeping into the consciousness, become more iconic or are more enduring. so it comes as little surprise that congress has been trying to coax mueller into testifying publicly, even though he gave this warning. >> there has been discussion about an appearance before congress and the report is my testimony. i would not provide information beyond that which is already public in any appearance before congress. >> as we've seen, robert mueller's public remarks had the effect of convincing more house democrats that impeachment proceedings should soon begin. public opinion about the president has been static since the outset of the investigation itself let alone what the report means since it came out, those numbers barely budged. but as the voert at justin amash's town hall made it clear, what effect would it have on the

country, even if robert mueller's report was red from the four corners of his report. so i want to bring in my guests tonight. welcome all. it's great to bring "kasie dc" to nyc, so to speak. phil thanks for coming up. let's talk about this president because what strikes me the most about how all of this has played out is that he got to set the story line from the outset. and this is something that he has mastered. >> from the beginning of the investigation. he's seen the russian investigation as a political matter. he's trying to shape the debate. and he understands that democrats in congress are going to have a difficult time pursuing impeachment proceedings if they don't have momentum in the form of political will not only from the voters around the country but just showing

momentum in the -- that the steps, the evidence that they're getting, the witnesses they're getting on the hill, it's the reason why the white house has been so adamant that none of these officials respond to these subpoenas and go up to testify why they're not handing over documents, they're going to court to stop financial records from being shared with the congress because trump knows it's a political game and he's trying to stop that momentum. >> for robert mueller this has been a different game, it's been behind the scenes, by the book. he clearly was watching and concerned about public perception but in not fighting that fight did he lose the war? >> it's hard to tell at this point, i think we have to wait and see if he agrees to go to the hill to testify and what's said there. for documents on the hill, they're trying to figure out what their next move is, what the strategy is, and our sources are saying, we need to get mueller in front of us talking about the report so the rest of

the american public can see what's going on and hear it from mueller himself and i think that might be a good strategy for the democrats going forward. however, there are people saying we need more evidence, we need the unredacted mueller report, the evidence. so we're going to have to wait and see how things progress. this is a big week for the democrats. >> if you're robert mueller, how do you balance this. we believe him when he comes up and says i'm not going to say anything other than what i wrote down in my report. and there is power in saying it publicly. where's the line between it being a dramatic show for the democrats and when it's public value. >> there's this push on the left among democrats looking at what happened in watergate, that's what you hear about, look what happened in watergate, once huh the hearings president nixon's

ratings declined. that's true, that's what happened. but it's true we live in a more polarized society politically than we did at that point in time. >> what the woman said at the amash town hall is stunning. we're polarized, but we're also getting different sets of information. >> to your point if we reorder the time line. the problem is for two years fox news has said this is ill lee jut mat. so when she hears that's not the information, i went back and looked at the fox news and all of it was disparaging what mueller was saying, that was two years before mueller or barr said anything at all. and that's hard for the democrats to counter act. we know now the no collusion, no obstruction they insisted on is not what was reflected in the mueller report but that's likely what that woman has picked up.

would they have been able to do that if they first heard from robert mueller? >> i expect so because we have such siloed information. i don't think it woulds have affected a seismic shift. nobody is arguing over the facts at issue in the mueller report. we understand a lot of that stuff is profounding damaged to the president, disturbing to the president, democrats have to weigh weather they're going to litigate that in an impeachment hearing and frankly what's in the report may not rise to the level of impeachability, we're talking about alleged obstruction of justice, not obstruction of justice. because the president's efforts were thwarted by the people around him. you're making an uphill battle of communication for yourself. i don't think democrats want to get into that. many who believe it's a moral imperative do, but those who understand the politics of it,

do not. >> president trump was far kinder to mueller before. here is the president after attorney general bill barr released his summary of the mueller report. >> metropolitar. president -- >> and here's the president talking about mueller on thursday, after the special counsel summarized his report for himself. >> i think he is a total, conflicted person. i think mueller is a true never-trumper. he's somebody that dislikes donald trump. >> phil, aside from fact checking the statement that the president just played there, this is -- yes, he's been tweeting about the 13 angry democrats. but at the same time there hasn't been a concerted effort to undermine robert mueller the man until the last three days. >> we've seen it in spasms.

there was a strategy early on when mueller was first appointed as special counsel not to attack him personally. trump's lawyers withheld from attacking him personally and trump withheld from attacking him personally. and then in the last couple years when trump felt the most vulnerable, he's gone after mueller. and that went to mueller being a member of president trump's golf course and they had a fee dispute. and the president's advisers said that's not a real conflict of interest here. we see when he's at his most have y vulnerable he's attacking and robert mueller never said anything. he let the indictments speak for themselves but he was not in the

political relations, public relations fray with the president and his allies and it probably worked to his detriment. >> some of this has to be the spechter of impeachment, we haven't touched on explored comments that we showed at the top of the show, having knowledge of something that i get the sense from being on the hill that leadership doesn't want to say outloud in a meeting because they don't want it reported in the press immediately afterward but they are moving towards that in a methodical way. >> who knows why or how the president reacts but i think some of the vulnerability is coming from some of the chatter on the hill. i think we're at 54 members who came out and said they support impeachment proceedings. but i think that number might be bigger. there are these back door meetings happening and these low level scuttlebutt going on where members are saying i want to come out and support going

forward with this, but strategy-wise i'm not ready to do that or i need more evidence or i need more proof. but i think there is a growing frustration with speaker pelosi especially among young democrats who say, why aren't we going full force with this right now? i think that frustration grew quite a bit following mueller's statements last week. >> phil, i need to find a tv friendly version of the phrase that i think is pushing democrats they need to make a decision on this one way or another. at the same time what i thought was interesting is he said we shouldn't rush this process, we're going to get there. that seemed revealing, we have an end game and it gets to impeachment. >> the fact that there's this slow e corrosion of evidence that we've seen happen a lot in the last couple years, hillary clinton's emails and the wikileaks leaks. even if this information comes out just incremental it adds

energy to something should be done. if there are small moments the democrats will be able to seize on that. i think that may be what he's talking about. but again i go back to this idea, we see a watergate type change if we push forward on this. i think the leadership on the democratic side understands that is a trickier proposition than a lot of democratic activists think. it is not the case you can change people's minds by putting it on tv because we've seen how their minds are set by what they see on tv. >> when we return, democrats start to feel the sharp edge of the debate stage. this weekend nearly the entire field was in california and they were trying to put daylight between themselves and the rest of the pack. later another mass shooting on u.s. soil. "kasie dc" back after this. hoot

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believe the only changes we can get are tweaks and nudges. if they dream at all, they dream small. some say if we all just calm down, the republicans will come to their senses. but our country is in a time of crisis. the time for small ideas is over. when a candidate tells you about all the things that aren't possible, about how political calculations come first, about how you should settle for little bits and pieces instead of real change, they're telling you something important. they are telling you they will not fight for you. not me. i'm here to fight. >> the first democratic debate in miami is less than a month away, and the criteria to make subsequent debate stages is more

difficult. while candidate fighting has not reached lord of the flies yet, elbows are getting sharper as 2020 candidates try to separate themselves from the pack. >> i'm proud to have stood up to donald trump more than anyone in the senate. >> if we want to beat trump, socialism is not the answer. >> i'm the governor who doesn't think we should be ashamed of values. >> i have a lot of respect for jobe. >> i don't mean any disrespect for the vice president. >> he's a mentor and friend. >> a tremendous affection for him and i'm grateful for his service. >> i think it's time for the generation that fought in iraq and afghanistan to step in for the generation that sent us there. >> i love joe biden but i was in law school when that bill was put there, putting people in

prison for nonviolent drug offenses. >> joe biden is on the side of the credit card companies. >> democrats can no more keep a promise to take us back to the 2000s and the 1990s, that conservatives can keep a promise to take us back to the 1950s. >> i don't think a president should be running around pointing at companies and saying breaking them up without any kind of process here. that sounds like a donald trump thing to say. >> bern knee is proposing if you like your insurance we'll take it away from you. he's wrong. >> i helped lead the effort against the war. joe voted for the war. i was very strong in opposition to our trade policies. joe supported those trade agreements. more recently joe talks about a middle road for climate change. i think that climate change is an exsew stenable threat to our

planet. joining our conversation christine quinn. thanks for coming in. that was bernie -- excuse me, basically everybody versus joe biden with a handful of people attacking bernie. is that a preview of what we're going to see as the debates get under way? i thought there was a nonaggression pack. >> yeah. >> what happened to that. >> it happens all the time in politics, they work out very well. it's a question they have to answer, do you spend your time in front of the american people saying something about yourself because you you're not going to have a lot of time, do you define yourself or do you spend all of your time taking joe biden down? it's a big, big decision. what often can happen in debates is that a lot of people will decide to take the front runner down and then the debates lose

any significance for anyone else because they become this attack fest which can be quite elevating to a candidate, that the others are focussing on them. >> i remember mitt romney survive that time after time after time. noah, but at the same time, the way these stages are going to be set, we're going to have two nights, kind of at random, there are rules that will put the front runners on the same stage but elizabeth warren may not get to stand next to joe biden. >> i think that would be a disservice to voters because they have a series of preferences, demonstrated in opinion polling -- >> you're saying the dnc should have a kids' table. >> the under card debate we called it back in the day. but it's a valuable experience. >> the kids' table we called it, come on. >> biden obviously has the biggest target on his back.

but if the effort is to demonstrate progressiveness, then biden can escape. and there are people battling it out against each other. >> what do you think the biggest risk for joe biden is? >> that people stop doing what noah articulated, competing with one another to see who's the most progressive. it's focussed on the democratic base, which is going to be who's coming out to vote in the primary and caucuses. but we're seeing time and time again, it's electability. people think joe biden is the guy that can beat donald trump. part of it is they look at 2016, biden could have won the guys in the midwest. which i think is a miscalculation. but they have people coming out saying he's not progressive enough, that doesn't undermine him at all. >> he's not debating with them.

he's not responding to their attacks. he starts and ends the middle of every speech is beat donald trump, i can beat donald trump. so he's not paying attention to these guys and gals. >> is that the same mistake hillary clinton made? she had one opponent in bernie sanders but she acted like she owned the place, and it didn't necessarily play well. >> i think joe is in a different moment, right? we have who was -- you know, that obama had term limited out. here we have a direct and immediate threat. and biden is focussing on that threat in a way that i think addresses the anxiety and fear of so many americans. so it doesn't seem the way it might have seemed for hillary clinton, who seemed to be almost at times lofting herself into the white house. this is very different because of who is in the white house. >> what do you buy -- there's a

difference between fighting over being the most progressive and fighting over being old versus new. do you think the party is ready for a new face, quote/unquote? is that a real thing? i'm at a point i'm convinced the far left policy is maybe not necessarily what the entirety of the party is demanding. i feel the new idea is central. >> there have been many new candidates who've come in in the 2018 congressional elections, the new mayor of chicago, an african-american lesbian, i mean, we've had great new faces come in. it's not like that's getting ignored or not supported or embraced by the party. i think you also have to wonder when people hear new versus old, given the stakes of this election, do they think i want to go with tried and true, i want to go with somebody i know can take incoming fire?

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in virginia beach, funeral arrangements are now being made for the 12 people who were killed in a mass shooting at a municipal building on friday. 11 of them were city employees. the man who police say killed them gave his notice to resign hours later. 40-year-old dewayne craddock gave his resignation friday morning. but a motive has not been determined. the incident lasted 36 minutes. an officer was shot but he was saved by his bullet proof vest. as soon as the shootout was over police attempted to save the shooter's life. >> just took numerous rounds,

one of your fellow officers was injured, shot. you find the individual and immediately switch over to i'm going to try to save husband li his life because our police officers believe in the sanktity of life. joining us now is senator elaine luria. thank you for coming on tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> this is your first term in congress. this is an incredibly tragic event to unfold in your district as a newly elected leader for all of your consistentituents t. what have you learned so far about your community, yourself and getting through something like this? >> well, you're correct, this has been an incredibly trying event for our community and what i've learned first and foremost is that virginia beach is strong, the hampton roads area is strong. and we've come together. everyone has responded from the

officer you mentioned, the first four officers to run into the building, to run into the line of fire, and to save more lives in the process of doing that. and over the last few days i've had the opportunity to speak to numerous members of the community, other city employees, people in the building, they heard the gun fire, they sheltered each other. one of the people who was lost, i know his father personally, he gathered a group of people and pushed them into the room and barricaded the door and against their request he ran back out to try to save more people. that is the type of people that we have here. strong in virginia beach and our law enforcement, you know, are just an example of that. and we really, truly owe them a debt of gratitude for what they did to save so many lives that could have been lost. and the chief's leadership -- i know you showed his comments right before we came on the air, and owe him and all the city

leadership and all from around the community our gratitude for what they've done. at this point we're grieving, we've had numerous vigil services and i think the community is opening its arms to all of those who were, you know, going -- undergoing the shock and mourning and really just coming together as a community, as we lay these community members to rest who are gone way too soon. they went to work on friday with everybody expectation they would be coming home. the first full weekend of summer, we're at the beach, you know, beautiful part of coastal virginia and i think everyone expected their family members to come home and join them for the weekend and yet they'll never see them again and it's very tragic. >> it very much is. what can we do to keep this from happening again? >> i mentioned first, the officer who ran into the building.

there were four officers. and one of them, he took a bullet in his attempt to save other people and he did definitely save other lives. and my feeling from everyone i talk to around the community, whether it's elected officials like myself, at the federal, state, local level, every member of our community the underlying sentiment is it's time now to act. we can no longer sit on the sidelines. we can no longer fail to act. to look to one person to see an example of how we can act, it's that police officer who ran into the building and took a bullet but was fortunately saved by his vest. we're in a point of mourning, a point of laying to rest our community members who were taken from us too soon. but, you know, everyone who shares in this responsibility to protect our community has said we're going to come together and we're going to have hard discussions and we, as virginia

beach, are going to be strong and lead the way on how we can prevent these tragedies from happening again around the country. >> i know you're focussed on what's going on at home. but your colleagues are coming back to washington in the wake of a week-long break when we saw robert mueller come forward and, you know, you were in a very, very close race in 2018. and i'm curious where you stand right now on opening impeachment proceedings into the president. do you think that's what democrats should do? >> well, i can tell you i've been in the district myself all week. earlier on in the week, in the course of two days, i did four separate town hall events and one was with a group of high school students, another in a senior living community, one in a small town on the eastern shore in a rural area and another town hall with

consiste constituents in york county which is a suburban area up on the peninsula here in virginia beach and at one point did this question come up and i'll tell you that was with the senior retirement community. it was a question that came up in passing, so what's going on with what we're hearing about impeachment. not a lot of people here in coastal virginia are weighing in specifically on, you know, how they feel. like the action that i think we need to take is that, you know, we need to get to the bottom of the facts and the truth is is that the underlying information that was used to create the report we haven't seen it as congress and the public hasn't seen it. moving forward impeachment could be divisive to our country and we need to be sensitive in that. if we move in that direction it needs to be with the facts available to the public. when i was speaking to the retirement community i said, i wasn't alive when watergate

happened but you were. what was your sentiment? what do you feel? what do you remember about that time? what i got back from the audience who all lived through that, said it was very divisive for our country and we should be careful how we approach this and we should have all the information possible before we take any further steps. congresswoman elaine luria thank you for being here tonight. i appreciate it. >> thank you. when we come back, the white house pursues a trade agreement with mexico while threatening massive tariffs on mexico. o whi massive tariffs on mexico. fly-by ballooning. (man) don't...go...down...oh, no! aaaaaaahhhhhhhh! (burke) rooftop parking. (burke) and even a hit and drone. (driver) relax, it's just a bug. that's not a bug, that's not a bug! (burke) and we covered it. talk to farmers. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two.

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how seriously should we take the president's threat to raise these tariffs? >> he's absolutely deadly serious. i fully expect these tariffs to go into a 5% level on june 10th. the president is deadly serious about fixing the situation at the southern border. >> acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney this morning on fox news says president trump's threats are not idle. the president reportedly ignoring the advise of his top ni economic advisers, including his son-in-law, jared kushner. the tariff is set to increase 5% every month until it caps at

25%. the news rattled the stock market dropping the dow 300 point, and a senator chuck grassley called it a misuse of presidential tariff authority. i want to start with you, sarah because this is supposed to punish mexico over immigration, we can question whether mexico is cooperating on the immigration front. how is it for the american economy? >> it's not good for the american economy. president trump is a fan of tariff. this is a president who called himself tariff man. the question is, is he using it as a negotiating tactic to get what he wants, which is better immigration policies and cooperation from mexico or is he putting it in place to try to bring jobs back to the united states? because he's tweeted about both things. if we're going to put tariffs on other countries, like china,

mexico, then companies are incentivized to bring jobs back to the united states. the problem is we have an intertwined economy. we have had nafta for years. companies do business in mexico and the united states and a lot of goods go back and forth from the border every day. the car industry, for instance, that's going to get hit the hardest. intracompany trade it's called, companies finish up in mexico and brought back. under this new policy, that would be taxed at a higher rate when sold to consumers. so u.s. consumers are going to pay more no matter what the administration says. we'll see if the tariffs go into effect, if they get raised and get prolonged. in that case it could be harmful to the economy. >> now that you laid that out in a clear way. i want to show our viewers what it is the trump administration is trying to argue here. this is sarah with white house

trade adviser peter navaro. >> why raise prices on all that stuff coming from mexico? >> this is one of the misunderstood aspects of the tariffs, the government of china has borne the tariffs in growth -- >> so have the american consumers? >> no. the government of china and mexico will pay for it and the producers in mexico and china pay for this. these people who say somehow american consumers are going to pay for this, it's simply not true. >> that's not economics what he's arguing. i will give him one point, and that is the tariffs have hurt the chinese economy. that's no secret. the exporters do get hurt. americans try to source things from vietnam or other places so it hurts the chinese economy. however we still get billions of

dollars of products that come from china from mexico to the united states. how tariffs work is that those companies that import them, a walmart, general motors have to pay the tax so they're either going to absorb it or they'll pass it to the consumer. >> let me guess what they're going to do. >> i dare you to find a single legitimate economist who will tell you the tariffs aren't eaten by the consumer or u.s. importer so clearly americans get hurt by it. >> the look your face. >> it's all incredibly depressing. we're expanding the scope of the terms of the engagement here. this is no longer about economics or trade. this is about some sort of vague understanding that they can do something at the border, we haven't established any metrics to demonstrate they've been effective at doing what they want to do but now we're using trade as a weapons.

and tariffs have a self-perpetuating thing to them. and interest forms around these things. you have interests that lobby for their protection around the marketplace. so it's going to be hard to unwind these. the longer they're in place, the more they justify themselves. >> isn't this contrary to everything that the republican party stood for, at least in my lifetime? >> no. it wasn't that long ago, republicans were a protectionist party. >> let's say since the reagan era? >> yes. the efforts, to rein in inflation in the reagan era was painful. they weren't behind that and they had to sacrifice political efforts to do that. can we talk about what it is the president wants mexico to do

here? from what we can tell and a lot of the reporting on our nbc team is they've gone to the mexican government and we want you to hold these people at the border, let them apply for has been cam of people that have been on the mexican side of the border. the mexican government has tried to work on this with us. how much of this is an actual problem we are having with the mexican government and how much is political posturing on the president's part. >> i wish i could give you a clear answer of what the administration wants, but they have not been very clear in spelling out what they're looking for mexico to do. they effectively want mexico's help stopping the flow of migrants at the southern border, in part, by mexico shutting their other borders with the triangle countries to stop the migration down there. they want mexico to be overseeing the asylum process so so many families are not coming up to the u.s. border trying to

cross, which created this humanitarian crisis, but the administration has not exactly spelled out ap easy sort of checklist of things they want mexico to do. instead, it's a lot of political posturing, demands about mexico should be doing more. mexico is taking advantage of us. mexico is ripping off the united states and we need to stop it. but it's not clear exactly what the "there" there is. >> sarah, where will americans feel this first? avocado prices at the grocery store, what is it? >> there is jokes about broke millennial's not able to afford avocado toast. 80% of our avocados come from mexico. it's other fruits and vegetables. tomatoes are the number one import. number one is the car industry. all sorts of appliances, machinery and the big difference between putting a tariff on mexico and putting the tariff on china is that with choirina, it not as much so far the consumer

goods. they protected the sneakers that are made there. the apparel that's made there. if they escalate this further, those get dragged in. but with mexico, it is a lot of what consumers ultimately ends up buying, so we would feel it, 5%, maybe a little bit. not much. if it goes all the way up to 25% as threatened that can hurt the consumer. we will see that mexico has come back with a somewhat know this respons responcon silliatory -- somewha consillory response. more kcdc in just a moment.

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. virginia beach is from mourning today. >> the victims of another mass shooting in america. >> 12 people were shot to death at the virginia municipal center. >> the weapons he used. everything purchased legally. >> this just doesn't happen in other civilized nations. >> everything we talk about is politics. >> we've allowed us to be framed

by the corporate gun lobby. >> there are things this company is doing. we're never going to protect everybody against everybody who is deranged. >> we're not afraid to have background checks. >> you have laws on the books that make murder illegal. yet people still do it. laws will not fix everything. >> turning now to the mueller investigation. >> mueller didn't say anything he hasn't written in his report. >> it's a broad hint it has an option. >> mueller specifically said it's on congress now. >> do you think mueller should testify? >> no. >> i think he has one last service to perform. >> if you make him testify, he will say read my report. >> the mueller report was like paper mache in the rain before bob mueller walked out. >> if impeachment is the process, the time to start it is now. >> they will use any excuse. >> impeachment polls up there with skim milk. >> it sounds like you three the

president will be impeached. >> that's exactly what i feel. >> if you want to do it. go hard or go home. go to amazon, buy a spine and do it. >> welcome back to the second hour of kcdc. the record number of democrats for impeachment is growing. it is still lodge way off. presidential candidates made the case to cheers and speaker nancy pelosi on her home turf called for investigating the president without, of course, calling for impeachment. >> why is it that the president won't defend our democracy from this foreign threat? what is the president covering up? the president's campaign welcomed russian interference in the election and the report lays out 11 instances of possible obstruction of justice by the president of the united states.

as i tell you this is like coming home for me. we must investigate the president's welcoming of russia's assault on our democracy. >> joining me now, democratic congressman benefitnie thompson on mississippi -- bennie tho thompson of mississippi. >> thank you for having me. >> we just heard from the house speaker nancy pelosi who has so far held strong in saying now is not the time to launch impeachment proceedings against this president even though she does acknowledge he committed impeachable offenses. at what point do you think her position is going to clang? >> well, i hope it changes in the not too distant future. i've spent the last ten days in my district. i have been talking to people. and people understand investigating. but at this points they say, okay, have you are investigating. what happens when the

investigations are over? well, that's a good point i think there is no sense if doing double jeopardy, in there are some things which i do, i believe the president has committed that are impeachable. he should be brought before the judiciary committee. i don't hear any pushback in my district. people are disappointed in this president. they are disappointed in how he's run this country the last two years around they want us to bring it to a closure at least on the house of representatives side. >> do you think, at what pointed does this become a political decision to not move forward with calls or impeachment proceedings because, you know, one of the arguments that's being made behind the scenes is that this could jeopardize the house majority because it doesn't play as well, perhaps it plays well in your district. but from some of these suburban

districts that are tighter, it could potentially but know the wrong course. do you think that democrats risk losing the majority of the house of representatives if they impeach the president? and is that the decision? >> i think we risk losing majority if we don't bring impeachment proceedings. it will be hard pressed for a democrat make majority in the house of representatives not to go forward with an impeachment operation. let me tell you, you can't justify the acts of this president and sit on your hands when you are in charge. i think speaker pelosi and the other leadership, i hope when we come back this week in washington, they'll start having serious conversations with the members and not listen to the

consultants and the pollsters and other people, people who are not close to the ground. as i've said, casey, i've heard from my constituents. they made it very clear. it didn't matter whether they were millennial's or seniors, they want us to move forward as democrats and impoo etch this president. >> the number three democrat in the house, whit complyburn said there morning on cnn that he does think that ultimately there will be impeachment proceedings. is that something that is a reflexion of what's perhaps going on in the congress am black caucus. would you say your colleagues in the cbc are getting to the points where they may universally be in favor of moving forward on impeachment? >> oh, i don't think there is any question. given where the cdc historically has been with respect to this president. we have been the number one company that he rejects.

we don't get invited to any meetings. five of us or four committee chairpersons, we don't get consulted on any issue relative to our committee. so you know, he's kind of pushed the cbc aside. what we have to do is stand strong. we call ours the conscious of the congress and i'm saying to the congress right now, join the cbc in getting donald trump his impeachment proceedings so the rest of this country will see what he's been up to. >> you are the cbc collectively as an important group to nancy pelosi and her position as the leader of the house of representatives. do you intend as a group to put pressure on her to actually move forward with these impeachment proceedings? >> well, i think at some point we all have one vote. we support speaker pelosi. she's a dynamic speaker.

you know we all represent our districts. so on this particular issue, we might disagree. but at the end of the day, we're still democrats and we'll be together. so i wouldn't say this disagreement at this point means that there is some split with speaker pelosi. we just disagree on there issue. unlike republicans, they are afraid to disagree with donald trump. >> do you think impeachment proceedings are inevitable? >> oh, absolutely. you know, we've had two impeachment votes in the house already. we get more votes each time. but i'm convinced as i talked to members on a daily basis, they're getting there and this is a process. i look forward to it going forward in congress but at the end of the day, i don't think the democrats will be able to hold the house of representatives if they don't do

impeachment proceedings. >> i want to change gears with you, sir, just in your capacity as the chairman of the homeland security committee in the house, there is an incredibly damaging report out from the inspector general that warns object overcrowding. particularly at one processing center in el paso. >> that talks about a cell is supposed to hold three people instead of 125. they talk and soiled clothing. people not having proper access to toilets. things, that we would consider frankly inhumane. do you have any plans, take any action around this report or to hold hearings? what can be done here? >> well, absolutely. we plan to bring those findings before our committee. but one of the things we want the public to understand, the trump administration is

reinterpreting the policies along the border that's creating this crisis. in the past people could come to the border and ask for asylum. we had to put them through the process. what they are now putting people in the process. they have people remain in mexico. they're doing the numbers, a lot of this i think so that bog the system up. some of the people out of desperation have started going outside the points of interest. the majority of illegal people coming into this company come through our ports of entry. you know, these are people fleeing economic oppression. and so by cutting off aid to three countries, guatemala, el salvador, we are creating a bigger prices. what you see an increase in numbers is what we have people

coming. be that as it may. what we are obligated to do when people come, we have treat them humanely. we are a nation of laws. we will not hold everyone and this report is a damming report on who we are as americans. absolutely. we'll move forward on it. but we can't start pointing fingers at different government agencies. this is our problem. we have to work collectively to solve it. >> homeland security chairman bennie thompson. thank you for joining me. >> thank you for having me. >> i'd like to welcome white house chief and philip rucker, the former mayor and ceo of the national urban league and republican strategist and msnbc personal an listing susan del percio. it's great to have you all on set. mark i'll start with you.

i thought what we heard is pretty interesting there especially talking about pressure to push on house speaker pelosi. he's arguing democrats could lose the house if they don't to it. what is your take? >> i think the momentum towards holding impeachment hearings has increased substantially particularly because of the trump administration's decision to not cooperate with what are oversight hearings to resist hearings. to suggest people should not come down and testify i think increased the momentum in favor of impeachment hearings. it's clearly coming from the base. robert mueller this week sort of threw a bit of a curve balm, maybe a knuckle ball when he said that we did not conclude the president did not violate

the law. >> you mean when he said it on camera? he said it already in his report. >> for some reason, we don't read like we used to read. >> their buttons now, you can buy buttons, i read the mueller report. >> i think that that means that i think he added to the underlying conversation in the country. to some extent he was saying my report is incomplete. it's not the full process that there needs to be another step in this process. >> i don't think it was coming off his report is incomplete. i think it's thorough and complete and says this is where i must walk away. it's up to you, congress, to pursue if you believe there are offenses out there impeachable offenses that you should go pursue it because based on the doj memo, i am not permitted to go down that route. so go have at it.

he said this be a report six weeks, four weeks ago. it's been sitting there. what was different this week is mueller speaking to the camera. you can sense that might make the white house very uneasy. now they're getting a sense of what an impeachment hearing can look like. it's time for the democrats to move on. if they believe it's warranted. go now. this is looking more and more political as time goes by. >> so speaking of the white house, bring that up. the daily beast reporting on the shifting view inside the president's orbit about possible hill testimony from robert mueller. they write, quote, president trump's close advisers are increasingly pining for robert mueller to be dragged before congress and be subjected to conservative questions. if they allow meadow and jordan there, they will eviscerate him. guiliani said it would be emotionally satisfying to have mueller testify and in terms of the politics of it, i would love

to have him testify i think he's afraid to phil. >>. let us discuss rudy guiliani. first of all i don't think mueller is afraid of anything. perhaps that is the myth. >> i don't think mueller is afraid of jim jordan and meadows. >> what is the thinking? is guiliani speaking on the record? what is a broader orbit speaking about this? >> i think it is nuanced. if mueller testifies, they have a political advantage of having meadows, jordan, turn this into a political circus. go at the origins of the investigation try to paint mueller as biased because so many of them have ties to hillary clinton and so forth. the great talking points we hear

from the president. ultimately, though, they don't want mueller to testify. mueller will put on camera in a national television audience, the words of the report. the report is incredibly damming for the president. the president is lucky so full american versus read the full report. if robert mueller goes on tv all day long in a major moment for this country and answers these questions and describes the president's behavior is not a great day for president trump. >> i think they are acknowledging this will be impeachment hearings. the strategy of come on, go ahead and do it is changing meaning we need to figure out our tactic. it's going to be rudy out front in the press spinning and stirring. it's going to be meadows and jordan seeking to become prosecutors and cross-examining people. i think for mueller, this is a life long prosecutor. he's been the head of the fbi

and that's not a place where you historically had to testify not only under oath but subject yourself to questioning in cross examination. so he's not afraid of it i don't think at all. but he's a little bit different. >> he's testified before. you are right. >> nothing like this. >> sure. houmonts in our history? >> a different situation, a hearing, i don't remember ken starr testifying. >> those were completely different circumstances and the investigation, but the investigation is -- >> those are impeachment hearings. >> those are the rules under the prosecution were completely different when starr did it versus the parameters set. he delivered the report and underlying everyday in boxes. >> i'm not arguing rules. >> what are they waiting for? what is everyone waiting for? and to the point of mueller, i think mueller could work, be careful what you wish for on both sides with mueller. i think he will be very good. >> sure. >> if you got the impeachment hearings going and don mcgahn

and everyone else that brings up all those damming 11 charges, charges, but, circumstances. >> potential instances of threats. >> that's a big thing. >> mark jacobs that public opinion is still ripening. the american people are still not majority in favor of impeachment hearings. so any one of the democratic caucus who may not be from a so-called base district will sit and watch it and see if this continueding conversation is going to shift american public opinion to a point where there is strong, more than, you know, majority support for impeachment hearings. that's the political side of this. >> sure, it's the political side. at some point, i think this is increasing among democrats. you have to think of the historical and the moral side. we will have much more to come this hour. coming up next, we will break do unjared kushner's interview what he is saying about a middle east peace plan that secretary of state mike pompeo is reportedly doubting.

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new reporting tonight from "the washington post" about secretary of state mike pompeo's sober assessment of the trump administration's middle east peace plan. the washington post obtained audio of pompeo telling jewish leaders in a closed door meeting, quote, one might argue that the plan is quote unexecutable. and that it might not quote gain traction. >> i think any fair person would describe as a very detail, one might argue unexecutable. no one believes this will be easy. >> pompeo also recognized the

possibility it will be seen as one-sided in favor of the israeli government adding, quote, i get why people think this will be a deal only the israelis could love. meanwhile, secretary pompeo is speaking off the record there. president trump's son-in-law jared kushner is speaking on the record in an interview that aired tonight on axios on hbo. >> do you understand why the palestinians don't trust you? >> up, look, i'm not here to be trusted. >> well you are, frankly. you can not see why they might not want to talk to you and that they mate not trust you? >> so there is a difference between the palestinian leadership and the palestinian people. >> okay. joining our conversation is washington post national security reporter john hudson, who broke that story on mike pompeo. so, john, this would seem to underscore that there is division in the administration as to whether or not jared kushner's plan for middle east peace should be taken seriously, no? >> yeah, i mean, pompeo's remarks are clearly the most

unvarnished, some might say realistic remarks about the status of where these negotiations are going to go and how this deal might end up. i mean, remember the soaring rhetoric of deal of the century. the ultimate deal. this is very much creating the expectation, hey, the secretary understands this might be rejected. they're hoping that it isn't. but they're very much expecting that there could be a very, very angry response to this. >> in axios interview, jonathan swan pressed kushner on some of the actions his companies have taken in the region in the past, funding israeli settlements in the west bank, for example s. kushner at this point viewed as a credible intermediary in these talks? or is this simply something that, you know, the president wants to see? i mean, how serious are people taking jared kushner? >> i mean, he's not viewed as credible by the palestinians.

abbas just said recently that the deal could go to hell. that's because there have been a variety of things that they vehemently oppose. i mean, recognizing jerusalem as moving the embassy, the u.s. embassy to jerusalem was one move. but there are several others. it's closing down their representative office in d.c. recognizing the golan heights as israeli territory. there is a long laundry list of different concessions the palestinians have just been expected to swallow that have made them absolutely irate and totally unreceptive to whatever the deal is going to be even though the details haven't been released yet. >> so susan del percio. the president just apparently weighed in on this. this is our full report he was asked about mr. hudson's reporting. he said, we'll see what happens. we're doing our best to help the middle east. he said he may be right, seeming to talk about pompeo. >> this president has no idea what he's talking about. i mean i honestly believe he

thought solving this problem was like a real estate dispute. so i'll get my son-in-law who is a real estate guy and my attorney from the trump organization, they'll work out the details. these guys haven't a clue what they're doing. this is middle east peace. this is not a land deem. that's what this administration is clearly not recognizing and the president is trying to appease a part of his base. and i get that but he just has no understanding of what's at stake. >> so good points all around. i want to switch gears ever so slightly. this is also a part of the interview that jared kushner did with acti with axios. jared kushners with pressed on his father-in-law's advocacy, aggressive advocacy for birther-ism. the idea that president obama was perhaps not born in the united states. we of course know that he was. just take a look at how jared kushner answered these

questions. >> al alexandria ocasio-cortez, she has called president trump a racist. >> mm-hmm. >> have you ever seen him say or do anything that you would describe as a racist or a bigot? >> so the answer is no, absolutely not. you can't not be a racist for 69 years and then run for president and be a racist. what i'll say is when a lot of the democrats call the president a racist, i think they're doing a disservice to people who suffer because of real racism in this country. >> was birther-ism racist? >> loose, i wasn't really involved in that. >> i know you weren't. was it racist? >> like i said, i wasn't involved in that. >> i know you weren't. was it racist? >> look, i know who the president is and i have not seen anything in him that is racist. so again, i was not involved in that. >> not involved. i was not involved. mark, does not being involved

mean that you can't make a statement as to whether or not the idea of birther-ism was a racist thing? >> blood is thicker than water. i don't think he will criticize his father-in-law. birther-ism was racist. it was hateful. it was despicable. but it was also intellectually dishonest. so it's important. people say is a person a racist? i like to ask the question, was it a racist statement? were the actions racist? and it can be racist without intent. i don't know what goes on in a person's heart, mind or soul, but to suggest that a great man, a history-maker, a person who is a very popular question wasn't born in the united states was really a political, cheap political move and that move was racist. i don't think jared kushner's ever going to criticize his father-in-law openly and in an

interview. period. >> so, i'm interested. you have been an observer of this administration so sharply. what do you make of that moment for jared kushner? >> i'm frankly really surprised jared kushner didn't come out and disavow birther-ism and say it wasn't something he was involved in. sure, he wasn't personally advancing birther-ism. he was helping to run his father-in-law's campaign, the foundation was the birther-ism pursued over many years. remember it wasn't well into the 2016 campaign when president trump, himself, admitted that barack obama was born here in the united states. so it's difficult for kushner to really distance himself from birther-ism. the fact that he can't say birther-ism is wrong, racist, it shows the extent to which he is willing to cover up for the troubles of his father-in-law. >> of course, not something we see on camera very often. perhaps this is why. john hudson, thank you so much for being here, congrats on your great scoop. i'm sure it will be something we

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this week louisiana joins the rolling wave of states to rom back abortion rights after democr democratic senator rolled it back. in missouri a fight is ongoing over the state's only abortion clinic. the state's health department refused to renew the facility's license citing patient safety concerns. the license was set to expire on friday. a judge granted plant parenthood's request for a temporary retraining order until at least tuesday when arguments will be heard in court. the license isn't renewed, missouri will become the first state in this country without access to an abortion clinic since 1974. joining me now is the president of planned parenthood, dr. deny is that wen. it's great to have you, thank you for being with me here tonight. >> thank you.

>> in missouri, what is the state of play in these court arguments? are you confident the court will rule in favor of the clinic or are you concerned about the risksings? >> i'm very concerned that right now we are in a state of emergency over women's health across america. on friday, we came within a few hours of having an entire state go dark without having access to safe abortions, which would leave out more than 1.1 million reproductive age in missouri and would have had to go outside their states for something that should be a right. so far owl of us. those people that wondered whether we could be living in a post rural world. this is no longer a hypothetical. this is a real public health crisis. we remain optimistic the world will continue to side with us and see that what's happening here in missouri is not about patient care, it's a political game that the governor is playing and the end result is going to be endangering women's

lives. >> so there are nine states that have passed significant anti-abortion legislation in 2019. missouri, alabama, which of course has a law that's possibly the most draconian, georgia, arkansas, mississippi, louisiana, this is something that has clearly broken through both in these legislatures, also publicly. what of you at planned parenthood. what is the response from women that donate to your organization whom you rely on as activists. have you seen an upswing in attention and concern from them? >> absolutely. women and people all across the country are outraged. look. a lot of people thought that this world that we see now couldn't possibly exist. i was born after roe vs. wade. i never thought i would be living in a world without roe. that's what's happening. we are seeing this coordinating

attack on women's rights, bills signed with no exception for rape or incest that would put doctors in jail for up to 99 years as in the case of alabama. >> that would allow the states to even investigate women for miscarriages and the law that was just signed by the governor of missouri would do. i mean, this is a really terrifying time. but women across the country are fighting back. we are seeing hundreds of thousands of people on our day of action recently mobilize and we know that the 13 million supporters and growing in a planned parent action fund are going to be mobilizing. organizing, educateing. fighting back with everything we have and holding accountable all those anti-women's health politicians seeking to take away our rights and fundamental freedom. >> mark morell, you were governor of new england, i'm sorry, are you disappointed in the gof? >> i am disappointed in the governor. there is a tremendous amount of

outrage and a sense of betrayal. but here's the thing the governor ran as a pro-life candidate. he's a democrat but he's a pro-life democrat. so to some extent, his actions in signing the law were predictable. that doesn't take away from the sense of outrage. he's the risk, places in georgia where the film industry said we will walk away. louisiana and new orleans particularly that has a ro bust and diverse hospitality in tourism industry, it's going to be interesting to see what the economic consequences of these actions against these states are going to be. i don't think people will sit here and allow it to happen. but let's understand this is all an orchestrated effort to get the supreme court to overturn roe and hopefully the lower courts will follow roe, will enjoin all of these draconian

laws and i hope that the supreme court in its wisdom will never, will never turn its back on the women of america and overturn roe. watch the economic consequences. >> that itself conversation on the ground. in addition, to the outrage from women who are politically energized across the board. you know, the pro if you will women's reproductive rights is supported by broad women across democratic anding in lines. i think these politicians mostly men need to get that. >> two mark's point, what is the, what have you talked through in terms of economic pressure on some of these states? obviously, we have seen hollywood suggests georgia, they wouldn't be able to film there. we know that has been a central location. are there other plans in the works to try to put pressure on these states in that way? >> look. i agree with everything that mark just said.

73% of americans support roe versus wade as the law of the land and people are out raged. by the way, i should encourage people to join fuss they wish to by texting no bans and join us in this effort. but, look, we areing people from all walks of life stands with us. we know even though we are not the ones that made abortion care a political issue. now it has become one, now it is likely to be a major issue for 2020, we are going to be fighting with everything that we v. we will win because the people are on our side. >> all right. dr. leana wen, thank you so much for your insights and for coming on the program tonight. >> thank you. when we return, we thought this ship had sailed. why the late senator john mccain continues to bedevil this white house. >

. the fact that some 23, 24-year-old people on the advanced team went to that site and said o my goodness, john mccain. we know how the president feels, can somebodyb remove it? it's not a unreasonable thing. it's not you are the third or fourth journalist asking me is someone going to get fired for this? >> no. >> to secure the ussion mccain to japan, the "wall street

journal" reported it had reviewed an e-mail between the navy ahead of the president's visit that included a directive that the uss john mccain needs to be out of sight. the president called the story an exaggeration or fake news, but the navy eventually confirmed it had received an instruction to quote minimize the visibility of the ship. acting defense secretary patrick shanahan since reminded the white house not to politicize the military. if you are expecting an apology for or for someone to lose their job, are you going to be waiting for a while. remember kelly sadler, she was the without special assistant who one year ago during a zigs discussion of gina haskell reportedly said, it doesn't matter, he's dying anyway. the white house never confirmed -- condemned sadler's remark. even though she was eventually forced out, it was for a different reason entirely. sadler has since taken on a role handling communications force pro trump super pac.

for the record, how is it, i, this, it's remarkable to me just how much this president harbor antipathy towards mccain. it was first pointed out for his father and grandfather and then for him. his entire family have been storied public servants. >> and the late senator's son is serving in the military. >> just came back from afghanistan. >> something president trump has not done because of the deferments he sought and received in the vietnam war. it's remarkable that trump's insensitivitys and insecurities about john mccain were known so deep inside the white house, people knew he would want that name obscured from the ship. he couldn't bring himself to give a speech or a photo op with something saying mccain nearby, they would go out of their way to try to remove it. it's a stunning reminder or not

how normal this president sid and this white house is. >> i mean, susan -- >> it's so disturbing, here's the thing. first of all that staffer should be fired to be stupid enough to put it in an e-mail. that's what you don't do. point-blank. but that's putting it aside, what i'm also concerned about is everybody ising in the white house is a privilege. you are serving your country. you are doing, you are supposed to be giving your service fought to the man but to the office. and the commander-in-chief of that ship. the fact that these people think that that's okay to play to what he may or may not like and the fact that they think it's okay that he disparages senator mccain and every possible chance he has is demented. it's wrong. these people should not be serving in government serving for the president all the way down because these are the people he's attracting. these are the people affect. ing our policies. it's not by accident we have an acting chief of staff talking about an acting defense

secretary. because he can't keep talent and he can't get them confirmed. >> all right when we return, london calling. the president stirs up, guess what? controversy ahead of his state visits to the uk. ing uk ing

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after an eventful visit to japan last week, president trump will arrive in the uk early tomorrow morning and he's already stirring up controversy. in an interview with the british tabloid, the sun, the president said he thinks boris johnson would make an excellent prime minister. this in the wake of outgoing prime minister theresa may announcing her resignation earlier this week. you may recall the president expressed that same sentiment during his last trip to the uk and accused may of wrecking brexit right before a joint press conference with may. >> they asked about boris johnson. i said, yeah, he'll be a great prime minister. he's been very nice to me. he's been saying nice things about me as president. i think he thinks i'm doing a great job. i am doing a great job, in case you haven't noticed. but i also said that this

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so before we go, we're going to talk about what we're watching in the week ahead. but first i want to thank pippa, one of our dogs watching kasie dc this evening and especially a friend of the show, uncle murry, who is watching his aunt suzanne tonight. thank you. so cute. i have a lovely photo of suza e suzanne. thank you and thanks to your sister as well. what are you watching for this week? >> i'm watching to see what the presidential candidates are going to do with donald trump overseas. i'm curious that biden was very respectful the last time the president went overseas. >> good question. >> i'm going to be watching to see three things. >> one thing. >> one thing? the mexican foreign minister's visit to the united states. >> okay. >> to see if there are going to be discussions that avert this

insane threat to impose tariffs on mexican imported goods which include automobiles, computers and a whole host of things. watch for those meetings. mexico's president has been sounding a bit conciliatory as though he wants to work something out and he's sending his foreign minister to washington on wednesday to see about it. >> that's a good point. >> i will be watching what the democrats do with trump overseas. i will watch for what kind of trouble trump makes. he's going to be in the uk and also in france for a big ceremony with a lot of american allies, western leaders, and we'll see how that goes. >> also very good point. sometimes it is completely unrelated to what it's going to be. >> oftentimes, out of the blue. >> yeah. >> and i of course am watching what are democrats going to do about impeachment. they are all back in washington for the first time since mueller made his statement.

that will do it for us on kasie dc. we'll be back. coming up next, mueller speaks. how special counsel robert mueller's words have changed the conversation around impeachment. but for now good night from new york. tonight, robert mueller speaks. >> the report is my testimony. >> why did he break his silence after two years of investigation? >> there is no obstruction. there is no collusion. there is no nothing. >> if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a cite, we would have said so. >> mueller says his work is done, stoking new calls for congress to act. >> nothing is off the table. >> tonight we follow mueller's leads from a record breaking series of indictments to his clash with trump's attorney general. >> the letters have been schmidty. >> to mueller's final warning to america about russia's attacks. >> that deserves the