valiant service in the royal navy during the second world war. on d-day the queen's beloved father king george vi delivered a stirring national address. that day he said, after nearly five years of toil and suffering we must renew crusading impulse which we entered the war and meet it in its darkest hour. our fight is against evil, a fight which may be the foundation of men in every land. this evening we thank god for the brave sons of the united kingdom and united states, who defeated the nazi's and the nazi regime, the bonds of our nation were forever sealed in that

great crusade as we honor our shared victory and heritage, we affirm the common values that will unite us long into the future, freedom, sovereignty, self-determination, the rule of law and reference for the rights given to us by all mighty god. from the second world war to today, her majesty has stood as a constant symbol of these priceless traditions. she has embodied the spirit of dignity, duty and patriotism that beats proudly in every british heart. on behalf of all americans i offer a toast to the eternal friendship of our people, the vitality of our nations and to the long cherished and truly remarkable reign of her majesty

the queen. thank you. ♪ hi, everyone. it's a couple minutes after 4:00 p.m. in new york, a few minutes after 9:00 p.m. in london where the president of the united states just wrapped up remarks on day one of the official visit

to the united kingdom. but it comes against the backdrop of an early morning tirade. trump attacking meghan markle, and attacking the mayor of london just moments before president trump touched down on soil. the associated press wrote, president trump embarked on his long delayed state visit to britain on monday, insulting the mayor, but being greeted with smile in a time of turmoils for both nations. here are those political smears from trump for the mayor of the president's host city. sadiq khan, who by all accounts has done a terrible job as mayor of london has been foolishly nasty to the visiting president of the united states. by far the most important ally of the united king tom.

he is a stone cold loser. he reminds me of our terrible and incompetent mayor of new york city. it comes on the heels of a lie, trump calling meghan markle the princess nasty then lying about it on twitter. quote, i never called meghan markle nasty made up by the fake news media and they got caught gold. too bad the news media taped the interview. here's the sound bite. >> she said she would move to canada if you got elected, turned out she moved to britain. >> a lot of people are moving here. so what can i say? no, i didn't know she was nasty. >> maggie haberman puts it this way, that feeling when the quote you're denying is in the audio

you're tweeting. joining us from buckingham palace, kier simmons and jonathan lemire, associated press, jeremy bash, former chief of staff. and rick stengel on set. and news make erin her own right today karine jean-pierre. let me start with you kier and jonathan because you're both on the scene there. take us through the highs and lows. i feel like we went through both of them. >> we did what we just saw from president trump behind me in buckingham palace was a different president from the president we heard from tweeting. you would hardly recognize the two, would you? he was statesman like, he was sending a message. he stuck to the script. he was sending a message about the alliance between our two

countries, both the queen and president trump, nicole, stuck to the theme of the week, which is, of course, the 75th anniversary, the end of the second world war, the wars that tore apart europe in the last century. i thought it was interesting in particular to hear the queen talk about an assembly of international institutions to ensure that the horrors of conflict would never be repeated, structures that were there to maintain a hard-won peace. very interesting because your thoughts immediately go there to nato, to the alliance that has held together europe and america since the end of the second world war. perhaps there the queen just schooling the president a little bit on the importance of institutions. but at the same time, i thought it was interesting to hear president trump talk about the courage of the united kingdom's

sons and daughters to ensure their own destiny would remain in your own hands. there your thoughts turn to brexit and president trump's vocal support for britain leaving the european union. that was an extraordinary moment we saw there after pomp and pageantry through the day there. we don't know, of course, some of the things maybe happening mind the scenes, whether there have been faux pass. there was a suggestion that harry appeared to be holding back, not too close to the president, at least in the images we saw when members of the royal family and president trump and his family were all together here at buckingham palace earlier in the day. maybe that was just what harry was told to do and we don't know what happened at a private lunch. but tomorrow is another day. the politics happens tomorrow, and the demonstrations, and all the opportunities for president trump to tweet and make all of these images redundant.

>> let me just cut through your british manners, and the queen's british manners, kier simmons. here is the mayor of london, it is so unbritish to roll out the red carpet for a president whose behaviors flies in the face of the ideals america was founded on. there is a lot. donald trump is more unpopular where he sits tonight behind you than he is even in this country. and it's hard to imagine how hard they are working there to sort of stick their fingers in all the leaks there in what looks lovely. but the truth is you don't have to scratch very deep to get to the deep, deep animosity for this american president. >> there's a lot of animosity here. despite what president trump says, the crowds you can see behind me are not cheering crowds.

they're anti-president trump protesters. a small group too of pro-president trump protesters. i think there is one aspect of this that's interesting. in the queen you have a world leader who knew church hill, reagan, thatcher, who's known bush, blair, just the list goes on and on and on, and so for her, president trump is just another u.s. president and the royal family will still be here even after president trump is in longer in office. and in a sense, i suppose, what the queen offers is some wider perspective that while we should be and are very concerned with the divisive politics of the day and all the thunder and lightning we're seeing here on this trip president politics, there's a wider perspective that perhaps life goes on. >> i once started the show

saying the bottom wants to know if we're there yet. i think insulting the american princess, meghan markle is close to the bottom and that's how this trip started. >> any other president this trip would have ceremony. and then d-day, the 75th anniversary of the invasion. but donald trump is not, nicole, as you know, like any other president. this is the second time he has played the very ungracious guest on the eve of coming here to london, last year, in an interview published just hours before theresa may had dinner for him in england, the president bashed her leadership style. and now this time we have him both insulting, meghan markle who spoke out against him and then, of course, london's mayor who he took time to sweet about

minutes before his plane touched down to start his day. this is the president again, he'll spin it as a counter punch, they hit first, i hit back. but it's another example of a presidential norm he throws out the window. he doesn't hold his punches, doesn't attempt to play gracious guest, and again putting his thumb on the scale, if you will, in another country's internal politics, voicing support for boris johnson as they try to seize leadership with theresa may about to give up control of her own party. he doesn't leave politics at the water's edge, he's going to say what he wants. he said it at the white house last night before he left, if you ask me a question, i'm going to answer its. while he did behave himself at dinner tonight we'll see what tomorrow brings when he meets with may and the politics and trade deals ramp up. >> i have to push back a smidge

and suggest it's more than norm busting, it's uncivilized brew tischness. meghan markle suggested there was missonny to trump. let's defend the woman called nasty by america's president for a minute. but what jonathan lemire laid out is an obliteration of not just norms but everything that happens in terms of american diploma diplomacy. he doesn't leave his political attacks, snark and ugly bombast at home. he takes it with him on his little devices. but he also uses it to not just put his finger on the scale but to muck around in another country's messy, painful politics, talk about this moment. >> why is donald trump so

unpopular on the continent, in uk and europe, it's principally because when it comes to the north atlantic alliance between united states and the european allies, the president has sided with vladimir putin of russia, which is the arch nemesis of that historic alliance. so the champions of the alliance, primarily in the militaries of the uk and other european countries and intelligence services who are so closely aligned with the united states, they are suspicious of donald trump's diplomacy, his foreign policy approach, they wonder whose side is he on. not to mention the fact in buckingham palace you have a study in contrasts. you have the queen of england, the one individual who represents history of nobility, patriotism, she's the one individual who represents tradition and honor and he represents individual one. >> that's exactly right. rick stingle, that's a great point. his problems go with him.

i want to ask you, know, george w. bush travelled, he stayed at buckingham palace, president obama travelled, i think he stayed there, too. i don't believe donald trump is staying there. i remember the images of the crowds lining president obama's motorcade. i saw the helicopter kier was on the air when the president's helicopter landed on the grass. this is not -- it takes a whole lot of reality television to make donald trump look like a welcome visitor to the uk. >> as we saw his unpopularity in the uk is 73% of people who have no regard for him. president obama's popularity in the uk is 72% popularity. i'm going to piggy back on something jeremy said and talk about a larger point here. the larger point is russia's support for brexit in the summer of 2016 was a predicate for what they did to help get donald trump elected -- >> not even a predicate, it was going on at the same time, right? >> yes. like no one expected trump to

win, nobody expected brexit to pass. the russians did disinformation through the same information agency in st. peter pspetersbur. nigel firage who exaggerated attacks on women by immigrants had purchase there. that told the russians this might work in the united states. this weaponization of immigration is powerful. and donald trump saw it too. donald trump expressed his support for brexit and we got what we got. that's the predicate for this thing. >> i remember that. donald trump was doing like a 360 tour of his new property talking about the thread count or something ridiculous about the views from the rooms in his new hotel the morning of the brexit vote. he went back to lobbying on behalf of the nigel today, didn't he? >> yes. and he's been supportive of

boris johnson and nigel. he's been pushing the uk, which is a strange, improper in my view, motive for an american president to be pushing the uk to sever its ties in a hard brexit from the european union. look what's happening, the prime minister of the uk is leaving office in a couple days. so the polite veneer we're witnessing at this hour nicole is masking difficult tensions roiling both countries and the allian alliance. >> i don't want to skip over the insult of meghan markle. because i think at a time so little that young people can grab onto her, her story captures the attention of so many around the world, she's a new mom, married to prince harry. and donald trump couldn't land without calling her nasty. >> it's in his lane to do that.

especially when it comes to a woman of color, he loves calling them names, nasty, what have you. he sees them as easy targets. >> because we don't jump and defend them. >> i think that's exactly -- you're right. we don't jump to defend them, and he feels like his base loves it. the people who support it, love it. just watch fox news that's what they're doing, attacking people of color, attacking immigrants, they're talking about caravans. it's in the same boat. for him it's okay here's red meat i'm going to go after meghan markle. that's the word he uses, he called hillary clinton nasty. it really for him that word is so disgusting, so degrading and he can't help himself because it is comfortable for him and this is where he goes. >> is there an added layer of, you know, the brits are so protective of this new generation of royals. how did this insult on meghan markle land there with the

population there? >> you know something that hasn't been perhaps commented upon enough, i feel, is that actually that interview was by the sun newspaper, a newspaper owned by rupert murdoch, and i feel like that interview was a classic british tabloid operation. it was a trap to try to get -- when you listen to it, the aim was to try and get the president to say something about the duchess of sussex, and he either fell right into it or intentionally walked into it. make your own choice. but in the end, harry is so well loved here that whatever people feel about meghan and the honest truth is the british people are still in some ways making up their minds. people love harry, they very much enjoyed the wedding, which was such a beautiful combination

of royal institution and a new energy, new ideas that people will not enjoy hearing an american president make those kind of comments. and anyway, you know, one of the aspects of this, of course, is that this trip is about the office of the president meeting with the queen, the head of the british constitution. it's such a shame to see the president lower himself into making comments about members of the royal family like that and getting into a twitter battle with the mayor of london, who after all, is really the mayor of a city. and himself maybe getting some political advantage from getting into a fight with the president of the united states. >> jonathan lemire, the president also -- he always does a volume business of inappropriate tweeting. i don't want to let this one skip by our notice or discussion either. he wrote this, just arrived in

the uk, the only problem is that cnn is the primary source of news available from the u.s. after watching it for a short while within i turned it off. very negative. i why doesn't at&t do something about it. again, the president of the united states putting his finger on the scale of what should be an internal management decision but nothing is ever sacred for him. >> a president on foreign soil interfering with the business of an american company. it's another extraordinary moment that this president does that none of his predecessors would dream of doing. this is not the first time he's complained overseas that cnn is the go-to news source. aides on other trips have been able to pump in fox news where

he's staying. and he's not staying at the buckingham palace, he's staying at the ambassador's residence, which is on the outskirts of town away from protests. the white house has deliberately kept the president away from the protests. he's taking marine one, the helicopter even for short distances. so he's going up and above whatever street protests are there. so he's trying not to see them. the british attempt to keep a good feeling around this visit while the president seems to try to spoil that. and meghan markle is african-american heritage and the mayor of london is muslim. the president will go after people of those color and nationalities. so we don't want to lose sight of that as well. tomorrow will be the politics of this. he has a meeting with may, he has a news conference with the prime minister afterwards.

and we know, often that's where we hear the real president, unvarnished, unscripted moments. not like dinner tonight. we'll hear from him, what he thinks of the situation then. >> you can take the race baiting president out of american but you can't take the race baiting out of the american president. >> i think jonathan said something key, the mayor is muslim and meghan markle is african-american decent. it's the perfect storm for this president. he plays out what he does here, over abroad, over the pond if you will, and he's an embarrassment. all americans should feel embarrassed by how this president represents us abroad. it's about his own interests. it's never about ours. the uk is basically a tinder box right now and he is the match. >> i tell you another woman who he's not talking about who he should be talking about. >> who? >> his mother.

he's gone to a foreign country where his mother is from and didn't mention it. can you mention barack obama going to nairobi and not mentioning his father was from there. his mother was a west everyone migrant from scotland who came in search of a life and career like so many people he's repelling at this moment. he can't mention her because she's the kind of person who comes to america to try to get prosperity that he's trying to repel and he won't mention it. >> we could go all all hour. kier simmons and jonathan lemire thank you for staying up and spending time with us. a blockbuster interview with jared kushner that will keep you up if you're worried about what happens the next time a russian offers the trump team dirt. also ahead on the movement that michelle obama feared would stir up the wing nuts and cooks.

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an email that says show up at 3:00 instead of 4:00 that i didn't know what it was about. >> we're talking about russia here, a long-time adversary of the united states. does it not set off an alarm bell when you see an email saying the russian government wants to -- >> the email i got said show up at 4:00, i didn't scroll down. >> it had russia in the subject line. >> i would get about 250 emails a day. i saw show up at 4:00 -- >> would you call the fbi if it happened again. >> i don't know. it's hard to do hypotheticals. but we were not given anything salacious. >> his defense if there was something nefarious he would have done something. but there's the problem, it's the meeting that nefarious

itself. and we don't know why the cia flagged his security clearance but you can bet his answer he don doesn't know if he'd do anything different if russia called again. and he struggled to field the question about biterrism. one michelle obama described like this, the whole thing was crazy and mean spirited its underlying bigotry and seen know phobia hardly concealed. but it was also deliberately meant to stir up the cooks. >> you can't not be racist for 69 years and run for president and be a racist. when the democrats call the president a racist, i think they're doing a disservice to people who suffer because of real racism in the country. >> was birtherism racist. >> i wasn't really involved in that. >> i know you weren't. was it racist? >> like i said, i wasn't

involved in that. >> i know you weren't. was it racist? >> look, i know who the president is, and i've not seen anything in him that is racist. so again, i was not involved in that. >> did you wish he didn't do that? >> i was not involved in that. that was a long time ago. >> the other issue that gets brought up in this conversation is he campaigned on banning muslims would you describe that as relij jously bigoted? >> i think the president did his campaign the way he did the campaign -- >> he did. but did you wish he didn't make that speech. >> he's here today doing a lot of great things for the country. that's what i'm proud of. >> joining the table in the nick of time, rick wilson, and jim nutenburg. i can't. i can't. >> two things that struck me about that interview. some day jared is going to be a real boy. it was a perfect example of what happens when an actual reporter

presses the case with these folks in the trump administration and he just got deeper and deeper under water. it was agonizing to watch. but it also betrays the giant moral vacuum about everything with these people. everything in his head is not about am i answering the question the right way, am i saying or doing the right thing, it's all am i going to piss off my father-in-law, everything. you can predict all their behavior by that standard. >> i want to say, if i want you to -- great job by jonathan swan. this was precisely how you go at team trump. >> absolutely. yes. kudos to jonathan swan. but this shows this is a white house that has kept itself away from hard questioning from the press. there's a lot of talked to among the chatter and clashes that jared kushner looked ill prepared, he wasn't ready. you can't say this white house is out of practice with hard questions, they don't do it.

he walked into a buzz saw unexpectedly, but it's partly their own doing. >> on the substance, the idea that jared kushner can't say birtherism is racist. >> that's right. it was not a long time ago, it was 2011 that donald trump jumped on that band wagon. >> was the engine behind it. >> it was his way into politics, especially. he was testing the waters and he decided to test it with something so controversial, so hateful, so racist, and michelle obama was worried for her family. >> i remember that. >> not just her husband but her girls. and she said that in the book. it's scary when you're on that side. and then he -- so that was the forray into politics and with his campaigns it was mexicans are racist, mexicans are drug dealers. this is a man who's been racist for a long, long time. there's nothing new -- >> the central park five.

>> there's a great netflix movie out about that explaining that story. five young boys of color and what did donald trump do, he was asking for their execution before they had a trial. so this is donald trump and this is the core of him. this racism, this bigotry, this sexism. it's the core of who he is and how he runs his presidency. >> go ahead. >> there's no accountability for anything they've done in the past. you can't apologize for something because he's the autocratic character that if you move an inch he's going to get you. it's the joke, why did stalin have the cabinet meetings standing up because no one wanted to be the first one to sit down. that's what's going on in this administration he's terrified of his father-in-law he can't admit to a moral failing. >> jeremy, i want to pull you into this part of the conversation. on birtherism and the most

racist aspects of the trump presidency, jared kushner is a weak human and enabler. on the security front he is an activist, he is an active participant in signaling to russia, it's hypothetical, i'm not going to say anything different. this is the power of the exoneration tour. we got away with it, i'm not saying i'm doing anything differently. we didn't call the fbi last time, i'm not sure i'm going to last time. >> by not condemning the attack on our election process, it is an invitation for russia to attack us again. it's an invitation to russia for to take advantage of the fact that our defenses are down. if the president's own family, if the president's own son-in-law doesn't think there's anything to see here and there's no threat looming over the united states in the 2020 election, and i were vladimir putin, the intelligence chiefs in russia, i would see that as a huge green light.

>> so since mueller finished his work, rudy giuliani, jared kushner, and brad parscale are on the record with ambivalence about the attack, that robert mueller took great pains to point out last week. >> because of trump's extraordinary insecurity and weakness that sees anything that the russians tried to infiltrate our elections as undermining his victory, no one in that administration can say we were attacked by a hostile foreign power. a strong president would be able to say this doesn't undermine victory but it undermines the democracy that we believe in. and we have to do something in. >> really quick and then we have to get to rick.

>> the question is, would they, in fact, welcome that help again. maybe it will be helpful again. one hopes not. >> one hopes. we're all trying to get you -- >> jared wanted to set up a separate communications channel with the russians. this is astounding he won't say, the russians helping us would be wrong i'm not going to let them do it. >> how about my strong father-in-law doesn't need the russians. if only that were true. after the break more on the extraordinary interview with jared kushner, which may be the last time you see him questioned anywhere other than fox news for a long while. x news for a long while s getting in the way of our camping trips. but with a range of sizes, depend® fit-flex is made for me. with a range of sizes for all body types, depend® fit-flex underwear is guaranteed to be your best fit. for all body types, i felt i couldn't be at my best wifor my family. c, in only 8 weeks with mavyret, i was cured and left those doubts behind. i faced reminders of my hep c every day.

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>> look, i'm not here to be trusted. >> you are, frankly. to look at it from their point of view, you're a businessman -- >> they're not going to judge anything based on trusting me or anyone else. they're going to judge it based on the facts and make a determination, do they think this will allow them to have a path way to a better life or not. >> the man in charge of the middle east peace plan doesn't think he needs to be trusted. it explains a lot, doesn't it jeremy? >> it does. i think this team is in way over its head. they don't have the foggyiest clue how to roll out and offer and guide the parties towards the negotiating table and potentially a final status discussion. the problem with rolling out a peace plan like jared kushner attempts to do when it hasn't a prayer of working, when it falls apart, collapses, we've seen it in 2000 after the camp david

discussions, you get violent clashes that lead to innocent people dieing. it's not a thing of we tried and failed. failing in this context is more dangerous than trying at all. >> let me ask a question that may be viewed as nasty if you're a trump fan. is it their ignorance that's a greater impediment to diplomacy or their hubris? >> i think it's a toxic brew. remember president trump stood in front of a jewish audience, i'm a real estate guy and do land deals, this is a land deal, i'll fix it. i think he thinks his skills will overcome certainly decades, arguably hundreds of years of tension and violence, animosity with real claims on both sides, an issue involving borders, security, the whole idea that donald trump can just send in his son-in-law or team to wing

it, is incredibly naive and dangerous and against u.s. interests. >> if you look at why jared has failed every time he's headed to capitol hill to fix something for his father-in-law, the government shutdown, a calamity, politically and policy was, and people still dealing with their credit being impacted. immigration that stephen miller had to save the day, let that sink in. to not value anyone trusting him that he's working with, it explains a lot. >> jared is one of these guys that has fallen up in his life, every time. he's failed repeatedly and fallen up. i think the guy you see in this interview is the real jared, he's not that competent, terrified of his father, but he's the secretary of everything. he's got every bit of the portfolio and he's failing at all of it. what you saw in that interview

is how very shallow that pool is and how little he has to offer in this, and how much risk he puts the counted in. if we get into another outright shooting war in the middle east, bad outcomes abound. donald trump isn't the negotiator he thinks he is and jared kushner isn't in the ballpark of that illusion that donald trump is the super hero. your colleagues wrote a stunning piece about jared and ivanka's rule of terror in the west wing last summer and they're now gone. so his incompetence and hubris aside, for his audience of one he is steam rolling over everything else and he's in charge of more and more. >> today there was a reporting in "the washington post," that reported that secretary of state mike pompeo, said this deal that

jared put his capital behind may be problematic and maybe people will see it as one sided towards the israelis, he saw it as optimistic and still said -- gave that unvarnish idea of jared's plan. >> he also drove out of the administration rex tillerson, repealed top tier talent for the chief of staff job. it would seem if there's rot, it's jared and ivanka. >> i go back to a little bit of how they see it, they see it as a real estate deal, in part because they can understand a real estate deal. it is partially a real estate deal. but it's so much more than a real estate deal. diplomacy is about reckoning with those things other than dollars and cents.

i don't know if this is hubris or ignorance but he said they'll look at the facts. no that's not how it works. >> the idea, i don't know which is worse, is he a bigger racist or misogynist. if you have to isolate the most crippling aspects of the presidency, these are the two, the ignorance and hubris. >> that's right. they merit each other if you will. when you watched that interview, i thought to myself, you have to make an a argument for nepotism laws. he should not have a formal role in the white house. when it comes to jared and in n ivanka, they're the worst enablers they do whatever donald trump wants of them. it doesn't matter if he's a misogynist or racist, they'll explain it -- or not p even explain it, won't even touch it

it has nothing to do with me. >> i wasn't there for that. >> when the presidency first started people were like they're going to save us -- >> i never thought that. >> there were people who did think that. with them in the administration they know him, they know how to talk to them. it was the biggest, biggest live lie we've seen. >> my last question is for you with your media sage hat on, i think what the cue rick interview was for palin, this was for jared. >> i don't know. >> the politics, in terms of revealing him as a no nothing, it's all been stripped away. he won't call the fbi. >> steve bannon thinks he should call the fbi. >> he's not going to call russia, he doesn't need to be trusted and he reveals himself as being weak. i don't think he'll be the same even in his father-in-law's eyes after that interview. >> i won't be surprised if they

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>> this is the committee chairman and chairman cummings of the oversight committee, trying to put pressure, additional pressure on the justice department, on the treasury department to try to provide information to congress about why a citizenship test was added to the census, which obviously would undermine the ability of noncitizens to be counted for everything that we account for in society, welfare services, access to medical care, access to police support, everything. so, this is part of the investigations that are moving forward. i think nancy pelosi's vision here is not to rush forward toward impeachment, but let each committee conduct investigations and develop the factual predicate. >> on a normal day i would want to ask you about that story. i want to ask you about something else. you became a newmaker this weekend. i watched it with my stomach in my mouth -- my mouth in my

stomach. that's you, your 89-pound body you threw between senator kamala harris and a protester. i was scared for you. i'm gets gesing in the moment that's like the woman that lifts a car off a child. >> the first time i've talked about this publicly. i spent the last 36, 48 hours processing this. it was a scary moment. at the time, i wasn't thinking that. at the time i was thinking, gosh, the virginia beach massacre just happened the day before. i was thinking, you know, white supremacy, hate crimes have increased in the last couple of years. and i was thinking what is going on? and i just acted and i also want to thank everybody who sent me so much love and support. it's been amazing. i processed this. i was thinking about this. and i thought, you know, just listening to people reacting to this, it was a trigger for many,

many, many women. when you see three women standing on stage and women of color, including a woman who is running for president, the only woman of color in this race, and we're talking about the gender gap, race and the gender gap. that was her big idea. and a white man with all of his privilege comes on stage and steps into our personal space, in particular senator harris. and it was scary. and the only thing that i can think of was to act, and this was not going to happen today. and it is something that women, in general, have to deal with every day. and it's a conversation that we need to be having. >> how are you doing? >> you know, yesterday, i spent the day with my kid and i took her to a birthday party. i flew back from san francisco and got in a little late, and it's been -- i've been shaken. it's definitely, definitely been shaken. there was a joke i'm from new

york, i'm not going to let this happen on my watch but there's a real kind of fear and scare i had. i had friends say to me, you put your body in between this person and kamala harris. when i thought about it that way, it was scary because i have a kid and a family to think about, but i would do it again, because it's not okay and we have to stand up for each other and sometimes it's women that do it, you know, and no one else will do it, so we have to stand up for each other. >> i met your daughter. so it wasn't lost on me that there was a mama who -- i don't think you weigh more than 95 pounds, throwing her body in front of a scary guy. >> yeah. >> politics aren't -- you know that's not the way it's supposed to be, right? >> yeah. i know it's not the way that it's supposed to be. why, you know, kamala harris is being protected by it's a time we live in, nicole.

this is the time that we live in. i want to be clear, you know. racism, sexism, myisogony, it existed before donald trump but he has exacerbated, to have that, to move his political whatever he wants out of it, including the presidency, clearly. and it is something that we have lived with for so long. you think about the fight with abortion rights that's happening, how women could potentially be losing their rights with what they want to do with their body. think about charlottesville, what happened, what this president said. you think about all the stuff that's happened with the lgbtq community, muslim community, immigrant community. it is a scary time. you have marginalized communities who are really, really scared and this embodied all of that. i think that's why it's getting the reaction that it's getting

because it touched so many of those feelings for people. >> and it was grace under pressure as hemingway said. you stood up and did something and it should be a model for everybody else. >> your display of physical courage there was, you know, against a guy who was, you know, a good foot taller than you. again, you probably weigh less than 100 pounds. he was a foot taller than you, plus that man bun another six inches. it was admirable that you did that. it's an example of our politics left and right -- i don't know what this guy's ideological basis was but in politics we have normalized now this -- the throwing the milkshakes, which i don't agree with, physical confrontation stuff. those things, it's not just donald trump's fault. those things have got to be -- we have to look at this as a society and say roll back, because that escalates and the

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