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hearings and more contempt threats. speaker pelosi and house democrats are back on capitol hill for the first time since mueller broke his silence. plus, president trump's diplomatic visit starts with a lack of diplomacy as the president insults british politicians and the royal family. and 2020 democrats take aim at their newest target and, no, it's not president trump. if it's monday, it's "meet the press" daily. i'm steve kornacki in for chuck todd. president trump is feuding with london's mayor, mocking new york city's mayor, antagonizing the press, and whenever you think of the president's behavior on his state's visit to america's closest ally, there is no question this is not something we've seen from any of his modern predecessors from either party. we will dive into all that have

in just a moment. while the press is overseas, we begin tonight with democrats laying the groundwork for impeachment here at home. this afternoon, house judiciary chairman jerry nadler announced a series of hearings on the nadler report with the first focusing on, quote, president trump's most o overt acts of obstruction and, quote, other crimes. house oversight committee chairman elijah cummings wrote a letter to the attorney general scheduling contempt votes while accusing the administration of, quote, one of the most unprecedented cover-ups since watergate after one of pelosi's top deputies said impeachment proceedings against the president may be both inevitable and effectively under way. >> it sounds like you think that the president will be impeached, or at least proceedings will begin in the house at some point but just not right now? >> yes, that's exactly what i feel. i think we've already begun.

>> pelosi returns to washington afternoon giving a speech this weekend to california democrats that criy iey ies of impeach wen from the crowd. >> what is the president covering up? the report lays out 11 incidents of obstruction of justice by the president of the united states. i told you, this is like coming home for me. >> she is also being pressured by the rank and file, including this dire warning from one of her top committee chairs. >> i think we risk losing the majority if we don't bring impeachment proceedings. it will be hard-pressed for a democratic majority in the house of representatives not to go forth with an impeachment operation. >> our nbc news count has a total of 57 house democrats, plus one republican supporting

an impeachment inquiry, and this list keeps growing. support is growing among the democratic base, too. three-quarters of democrats now say they support impeachment, according to a new cnn poll, that is up eight points since march. joining me now is congressman mike quigly of illinois. member of the intelligence committee. a few days ago he came out in support of impeachment proceedings. thank you for joining us. let me start on that question to nail down exactly what you're calling for. you use impeachment inquiry. we are hearing that word inquiry attached to impeachment. is there a distinction you're trying to draw between just saying impeachment and impeachment inquiry or is that a distinction without a difference? >> to the public there may not be a distinction but the zil distinction we see is the watergate hearings began on an inquiry. and i think they do two things for us.

i think they both -- legal arguments in front of courts get subpoenas answered and force people to testify. i also think the hearings that will come with the impeachment inquiry will help educate, inform the american public. one thing that struck me last week is the power of the special counsel's message when mr. mueller said what he said. he was just reading from his own report. but it's clear that a large amount of the american public took mr. barr to his word that the report exonerated him. so i think the inquiry serves two purposes. it helps us with our oversight function and it educates the american public. and i think moves them where we should be going, to a full-scale investigation of the president. >> is there any scenario? judiciary committee hearings here. you're saying you think it moves the public. we can talk about public opinion in a minute. if we end up in terms of public opinion exactly where we are, do

you hold these hearings? you have an impeachment inquiry and say never mind, we're not going to impeach or is it a runaway train once it gets going? >> it's hard to tell. the fact is that the president has given us no choice. i believe the special counsel laid out solid evidence that there was obstruction before the report was filed. for me, the last straw was the obstruction continuing after the fact. so, it makes our oversight function nearly impossible. part of this is getting the american public to the point where they understand its validity. and again simply arguing in court and having press hits where we talk about this isn't nearly as valuable. i remember watching the watergate hearings when i was in high school. and in april of that year, the american public was not in favor of the president resigning. four months later, he was gone. clearly, they had some value,

some purpose in educating the public in 1974. >> let me put it to you this way. i saw an interview with you, with rachel maddow here at msnbc the other day. you said you are already satisfied in your view that the president obstructed justice, abused his power and you're satisfied that he conspired with the russians. if you open an impeachment inquiry and hold these hearings, and you already hold these conclusions, how could no that not lead to an impeachment vote? what could possibly be produced that would make you say never mind? >> i don't think my mind is going to change. what i'm trying to help the public appreciate is that we've got to count noses in the senate. part of this growth has to be organic from the ground up, driving pressure from the american public. that's the hope i see in going forward with these hearings and getting additional documents made for it.

all we have is a redacted report and unanswered subpoenas and the president refusing to have people testify. again, obstruction after the fact. i think all these measures drive forth helping the american public fully understand what has taken place and what is at stake. so, i think that distinction does matter. i do recognize that i don't have a vote in the senate and i need the american public to help drive them. >> so, speaking of the american public, here is what we've got. we can put up that poll we alluded to. 76% among democrats support impeachment. that's helping to drive that overall increase. but overall it's still 54% opposition to this. nancy pelosi, speaker of the house, clearly trying to hit the brakes of this talk of

impeachment. do you think to get nancy pelosi, the speaker of the house on board with an impeachment, do you think you need to show that most of the american people are behind it going in? >> she is listening carefully to the american people and to her caucus. obviously, she can count noses in the senate. but my main point i have to stress is i do believe an inquiry will bolster our argument to get additional documentation that the president of the united states obstructed and continues to obstruct justice and that is the way to move forward. that's the way to move the needle. we saw it happen with mr. mueller. i think that strength only grows. >> thank you for taking the time here. msnbc political analyst nick conteffsore, and romney and

rubio adviser chen. let me start with you, nick, what we just heard from the congressman there. he's putting a lot on the idea that you hold these judiciary committee hearings and things change with public opinion. i guess i look at these poolel polls and say okay there's been an uptick in etch peachment support. but in the trump era we live in, can you ever get beyond 50/50? can you get to something closer to consensus that he seems to be talking about here? >> i'm not sure that you can. nancy pelosi and members of congress actually agree on this point. there's not yet support to conduct or convict the president in any proceeding. the problem here is that most democrats on record already think the evidence they have already is enough or should be enough. the problem for them is that the american public does not agree, for whatever reason, either the evidence isn't strong enough or they're not ready for the trauma

of impeachment proceeding. it's a question mark. >> that's the question. what happens if you hold the hearings and nothing changes? what happens if, as we seem to be on everything else, we end up divided right down the middle? >> donald trump got 26% of eligible voters in 2016. it is at 50/50. >> divided enough where the circumstances prevailed in 2016 that made him president of the united states could prevail again in 2020? >> but that's an important specification to make when we're talking about where the american electorate stands on trump and all these other questions. what the democrats need to do right now is essentially bring the mueller report to life, page by page. if robert mueller can come out on a tuesday and surprise everyone, and tell us exactly what's in the report and we turn around and act like that was new

information it's clear that the american people did not read the report since it's been released publicly. educating the public on the troubling aspects of the report so they can make that determination and that's when the polls will shift. >> it's interesting, lonnie, republicans faced a somewhat similar dilemma in 1988 with bill clinton, around this same point when the ken starr report hit. more lopsided opposition to impeachment back then, 67%. it's a majority in both of those. we played that clip of nancy pelosi in the democratic california convention, the crowd saying "impeach, impeach, impeach." the christian coalition convention right after the starr report hit, and the crowd said impeach, impeach, impeach. and the republicans said this is

what our base wants. we have to do it. >> i think maybe the democrats are approaching this with a different level of sobriety and cautiousness. >> she was on the house floor telling republicans don't do this, now she's there 20 plus years later. >> she's the only one with an eye toward all those districts where democrats represent, frankly, a divide electorate that may even be slightly skewed in favor of president trump. how do democrats hold on to the house in 2020, potentially pick up seats in the senate and, yes, the white house as well? seems to me she's the only one in the democratic party in a leadership position who has taken a strong view. i think we have to be careful about drawing too many views of where the democratic base is, based on the convention audience. >> it does get to that question.

you were saying, public opinion will change if you hold these hearings. democratic members in these key swing states. if they open up an inquiry and public opinion does not change fundamentally from pelosi's standpoint, has she now exposed members in swing districts from potentially taking a vote that they don't want to take? >> to husbander his point, nancy pelosi is. that's the smart thing to do when you're the speaker of the house. individual democratic members can look at the facts in the mueller report. just because a fact is something that is critical of president trump doesn't make it partisan. so if you are in a moderate district and you are going through hearings and laying out obstruction, which are outlined in the report. mueller says there is substantial evidence to support

many of these specific counts of obstruction that were detailed in the report. a reasonable person in the suburbs -- and those swing districts went bru because of suburban women, right? if we're looking at how they're thinking about the lay of the land, i think that they can consider facts on their merit. and i don't think that they're going to be swayed as much as the people on the extremes of both sides. >> nick, the house will take its annual august vacation, that's coming up, basically, two months from right now. realistically, if there's going to be a move toward impeachment from democrats, will we know by then, do you think? >> i think what we'll see is certain outside groups will get to those meetings and town halls and try to beat this drum and create energy toward impeachment. it's going to be get rid of this guy. and i think the issue for nancy pelosi to deal with here is the ultimate way to stop this president's policies in place is

to remove him from office either way. what's the best way to do that? the most lasting way? she worries. i don't know what the answer is, that trying to impeach him will get him elected. >> if you get to the end of the summer, we've had two rounds of democratic debates and now maybe the psychology of the base changes a little bit. nick zerlina, lonnie staying with us. unpredictable actions overseas beneath the pageantry of his state visit, insults and attacks. live to london. jared kushner interview, wide range of the topics but not responses, especially on refugees, birtherism and the trump tower meeting. >> i was not the person elected. >> i wasn't really involved in that. >> it doesn't make a difference one way or another zblie wasn't involved in that. >> it's hard to do hypotheticals. >> like i said i was not involved in that. >> like i said i was not involved in that

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welcome back. president trump's trip to england is starting off with a bang. the president injected himself into british politics by endorsing mayor boris johnson to be the next prime minister and urged the country to walk away with its brexit negotiations from the eu, also calling meghan markle, the duchess of sussex, nasty. minutes before touching down, the mayor, quote, is a stone-cold loser. that's how he began a trip that's supposed to highlight the special relationship between the u.s. and the uk. hallie jackson is nbc news'

correspondent. behavior wise, antic wise is totally unprecedented for any previous american president going over to england. also, in a way, par for the course for trump, from the white house's standpoint, what were they hoping to accomplish with this trip and how are they feeling right now? >> reporter: right now the president is just wrapping up this state banquet with the queen, members of the royal family, with members of his own family, by the way. you've probably seen some of these images. his adult children, including those who don't work at the white house, joining me here, tiffany trump, eric trump and others, duchess kate, prince william back there. duchess kate accompanying treasury secretary steven mnuchin down the red carpet. this is what he likes, this is what he enjoys. he is a fan of the queen. he thinks she is strong. he said publicly before. that's the highest compliment that president trump can give. the two of them delivered toasts

in which they both talked about the importance of the strong relationship between the united states and the uk. toda today, i think, went as the white house hoped it would go, having tea with prince charles and camilla. tomorrow is where the rubber meets the road, the president bracing for these tension points. that's when he will be face-to-face, sitting down with prime minister theresa may. the white house has a couple of objectives they want to see achieved. the uk has objectives they want to see achieved. president trump delivering a pretty stern message to the uk on huawei, the chinese telecom company that the brits are looking to incorporate in their 5g network. there's concern, talk on part of the u.s. side that perhaps it would mean some sort of pulling back of the intelligence sharing with british officials and that is a cause for concern. the other piece of this is what the uk wants from president trump and that is, in essence, some kind of commitment that the

alliance is still strong. the uk, if, in fact, they pull out of the union with this hard brexit will need an ally in the united states. that's what therese wra may wants to reinforce to president trump. you've seen that reinforced from the pomp and pageantry piece. that's not to mention, steve, what you teed us up with. for any other american president, coming overseas and talking about the controversial political figure who seems likely to replace the prime minister you're meeting with and praising him, as the president did with boris johnson, would be considered shocking. that's one of several things that the president has done that's made headlines. this isn't the first trip to the uk in which the kind of thing has happened, going after sadiq khan after khan said it was unbritish for the uk to roll out the red carpet for donald trump. years' old criticism that meghan markle made of him, calling her

nasty. a quick glimpse of prince harry keeping a low profile in the back of the room at buckingham palace, saying nothing publicly about those comments about his wife who, of course, is at home on maternity leave with their newborn son. so, yes, the president has dipped his toe in the controversial waters, or his whole foot or leg, and i think tomorrow is when you will see the fireworks, particularly, at that news conference with these two leaders. those are often the moments when we see the president speak most off the cuff. what's notable is that today he was mostly seen, not heard, except those toasts, where he read from that paper, very prepared remarks. tomorrow will be very different. i think that will be a president trump who is feeling a little more unbridled, if you will, and we'll get a sense of how he has gauged this trip. and the 75th anniversary thursday, steve. >> a lot going on.

lonnie, when we say this idea of no modern american president, democrat or republican, would behave the way trump did on this trip or in general, it applies to so many things. we say don't dwell on it. play out the scenario, if you could even imagine it, where barack obama goes over to london as president of the united states, and gets into these kind of publics -- instigates in some cases, responds in a crude way when it came to meghan markle. try to imagine what the reaction from republicans would be or would have been to that versus what you hear or don't hear on this. >> look, i think different presidents will approach this differently. i think we shouldn't expect a whole lot different from president trump. we've seen him in action since 2017. the last time he went to the uk, he made remarks that were considered controversial. this time he's doing the same. the reality is that boris johnson probably is going to be the next prime minister of the united kingdom. he's trying to signal, look, i think he can work with this guy

and be a positive. to hallie's point, what the uk cares most about is not all this dialogue but does the united states still believe in the special relationship, will they reaffirm the special relationship? will they be there to have a free trade agreement if and when the uk exits the european union? those questions matter in the long run. i'm not sure how much any of this dialogue matters. the response is clearly different. if president obama had engaged in certain kinds of behaviors while abroad, of course thegd they would have commented in the same way that democrats are commenting now about president trump. >> george w. bush, bill clinton, george h.w. bush and had this behavior, this kind of public conduct from the president of the united states on a foreign trip, i imagine that the opposition party would have been appalled in ways that you can't even begin to put into words. is this something that will go back to the way it used to be

when donald trump is not president or are other future presidents going to behavior this way? >> great question. he didn't dip his toe in the controversial waters. it's more like the belly flop, with the pool overflowing. we do go back to a different reality when the president leaves office. no one who is as thin skinned as he is, no other president in recent history that i can think of who would respond to a year's old tweet attacking him by attacking that person on twitter. by the way, one of the most popular people in bret britain probably. why go on a state visit and turn it into national lampoon's state visit by attacking her? >> there was that old joke, b s boston politics i'll endorse you and or your opponent, whichever one helps you more. i'm not sure what his political standing is in britain right now. it's interesting to consider. thank you for joining us. coming up, he has been in

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contests that whittle the democratic field and the rest of the states decide, two, three, four candidates left. the rest of the states figure it out from there. as usual, these four will lead things off. that all looks normal. take a look at what comes next. super tuesday, a week after. less than a week after that south carolina primary. look at all these states going. biggest state in the country, california. about a third of the delegates that are going to be up for grabs on that day. super tuesday. just days after the south carolina primary, are going to be in california. so, california, it's the biggest state, biggest delegate hall. it comes up real fast, real quick in the process. the other thing about it, california, of course, they've got all that early voting, that mail-in voting in california. one analysis about how this will effect next year's primaries. look at this. 5% of california primary votes, an estimated 5% will be cast before the new hampshire primary. 25%. one out of four.

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trump and achieve big, progressive goals, socialism is not the answer. i was re-elected -- [ crowd reaction ] >> and the next day, the crowd responded similarly when former maryland congressman john delaney was critical of medicare for all. >> we need, as democrats, to build an economy that works, but it's got to be with smart policies. medicare for all may sound good, but it's actually not good policy, nor is it good politics. [ crowd reaction ] >> i'm telling you. i'm telling you. >> that boo'ing went on for two minutes. joining me now the target of that reaction, former congressman john delaney. thank you for joining us. let me start yby asking you thi. we played john hickenlooper. we're talking about you.

alexandria ocasio-co. are. tez is tweeting about you. did you expect or did you want that reaction at this convention? >> i don't say things because of any particular reaction i'm trying to get. i try to tell people the truth. being president means making tough decisions. from the beginning of my campaign i want to tell the american people the truth, tell them what i believe in and make sure we're having a debate about, in many ways, the most important issue for our country, which is how do we create a form of universal health care system? i've been talking about this since i announced my candidacy. what i said at that convention is nothing different than i've been saying in iowa, new hampshire or anyone else in this country i've been traveling to. >> sure. when you were putting this speech together and came to that line, that section of your speech, you're a politician. you speak in front of crowds all the time. >> right. >> you have a sense of the room. did you have a sense it was going to get that kind of reaction? >> you know, it didn't really factor in. i want to talk to the american

people about what i care about. i believe in the politics of addition. i don't believe in the politics of sub traction. and i think creating a form of universal health care in this country is incredibly porimport so we can end the tragedy of uninsured americans i want to do that with the plan i have to give everyone a health care as a basic right. then they can opt and get private insurance. i don't think the right way going forward is to say we're going to take 150 million health care plan as way from the american people. that's the politics of s subtraction. that doesn't work. the republicans tried to repeal the affordable care act about 60 times. the bottom line is that the american people like the benefits that the affordable care act gave them. so the republicans weren't ultimately able to repeal t the same thing is true when we think about universal health care, right? i want to give everyone health care as a basic right but i also want to give them the options of having private insurance. if we run on this notion that

we're going to take that away from the american people, 150 million americans have private insurance. 70% of them like it. that's just never going to happen. and it's not good policy either because it's going to lead to reduction in quality and access in health care. so, this is an incredibly important thing for us to be talking about. arguably it's the most important thing. i think i'm different because i'm courageous on these issues. i step forward and tell the american people what i think and why it's the right way forward. all democrats want to create a universal health care system, me included. i have a detailed plan to do. i think i have the right proposal and i think this notion of medicare for all, which will, in fact, take health care way from all these americans, i don't think that's the right way. >> medicare for all, i've heard that term defined differently. one person's definition of medicare for all is necessarily going to align with another person's. if i'm hearing you right, though, it sounds like you're saying the fundamental thing to

avoid here that you don't want the democratic party embracing is something that would allow republicans to say you can't have private health insurance. >> yeah but you shouldn't make this seem like it's a mystery, steve. there is a medicare for all bill in the u.s. senate that senator sanders introduced and a whole bunch of people have signed on to, including a bunch of people running for president. in that very specific bill that hasbeen submitted, there's not a lot of mystery to what this means. >> so when i say that, when i phrase the question that way, that bill from sanders would also exchange medicare in terms of offering more services. it would widen what americans could get from it. when you say it would make private insurance illegal, what it says is that you can't get a policy to cover something that's already covered under the medicare for all plan but they would offer so much more through medicare for all? there's that version of it and another version i heard that simply allows americans to buy

in as we have it. defense of private insurance to you is an important thing for democrats to stick to? >> no. it's not about defending private insurance but doing what's right for people, right? we have 150 million americans who rely on this insurance and they like it. we saw when president obama misspoke and said you'll be able to keep your plan under the affordable care act. a very, very small number of american people that actually wasn't true for. and they had to get a plan that was actually better. and we saw how that played out. that was a small number of american people. this is about the people. it's not about insurance companies. it's about 150 million americans who have private insurance. the other point you shouldn't gloss over so quickly is i understand this notion that they'll expand medicare benefits but the seniors in our country are a very important part of our political process and medicare benefits have been expanded to a certain level. but right now, you know, medicare doesn't pay the cost of health care. study after study has indicated,

one by "the new york times," if all the health care bills in this country were paid at the medicare rate, hospitals everywhere would close because it doesn't reimburse the cost of health care. as a matter of policy, i don't see why the democratic party wants to run on this notion we can only have medicare when we have 50 years of evidence to suggest that the political process has never allowed medicare to reimburse at the cost of health care. and if that was the only payment system, we would see a reduction in the number of hospitals. we would see a reduction in the number of care points for people to get their health care, reduction of investment and innovation. as a matter of policy, i think it's bad. i also think as a matter of politics, why are we running on telling the american people that they lose their health care? i keep saying let's be the party that stands for the politics of addition. let's take on health care system, which is terribly broken, with all these uninsured americans and create a pln like i have, where everyone gets a

basic health care package as a right. they don't have to pay for it. but if they want to choose other options, they should be able tochlt why do we have to run on this notion that they can't have options? >> i got the.. i want one quick question i want to get in. >> sure. >> you're getting two cracks at the debate stage over this summer, two debate events. dnc is shifting the rules and requirements starting this fall. you'll have to get 2% in four polls and 130,000 donors to get in, in the fall. is that fair, yes or no? >> i don't think we should have a donor standard. i absolutely don't think the democratic party should be about money. 50% of the american people can't afford basic.net necessities. i'm running for those people. a lot of those people aren't giving money to candidates. >> the poll standard, are you okay -- >> the poll standard is fine. have you to have a polling standard, of course. 10% of american people have

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and those who have chosen, for whatever reason, not to be in this room. >> that was senator bernie sanders at the california democratic party convention this weekend where he took joe biden's notable absence as an opportunity to ramp up attacks on the early front-runner. and he wasn't the only one. the panel is back. nick, zerlina, loni. zerlina, it's biden is way in front in the polls, looks like 20 points him is sanders and a big collection vying for third, high single digits, maybe double low digits right now. what do you think is the best approach for those candidates? is it to see if he is going to self-destruct in the debates or is it to try to force the issue? >> well, i think they should force the issue. they're all competing for the same potentially top spot in the primary portion of this race. and i think that it's a smart strategy to draw a contrast.

it's also a smart strategy to point out why is joe biden not at the california democratic convention when california plays a newly and such in a critical role in the democratic primary process, given the fact that they moved it up so far in the calendar. so that is a snub, right? to point that out i don't think is taking potshots at biden. that's actually a substantive point. i think the challenge, though, for folks is going to be to find constructive critiques that don't go back on themselves, right. so if bernie sanders is attacking joe biden for the crime bill, he voted for that same crime bill. i think they're going to have to find places where they can attack biden, and those attacks will not be true of themselves as well. >> the absence, biden's absence from the california democratic convention, this california democratic convention, to me, you can have a debate about how representative that is of the democratic party, that you can have about twitter there is a

lot of noise generated by the convention. but it is representative of where the democratic base is? because this is the convention last year that was ready to throw dianne feinstein out. dianne feinstein was not ultimately thrown out. do you see biden skipping this convention as part of a broader bet on there being a democratic constituency out there that we don't hear from a lot but that is actually large? >> okay, two things are happening here. first of all, he has the luxury of a pseudo front-runner which is to say no. to go to things or show up to things or say things, he doesn't are to be everything to all these people. he is ahead. and the second i think i think what he showing is some of the things that twitter is obsessed with like the vote on the crime bill or this or that are not actually as important to all primary voters. he has a big chunk of them now. it's early. he could lose them. but right now i think people are going to him as a safe alternative, someone they know. and the controversy of the day is not something he is getting bogged down into.

so far it's working for him. >> so we say it was not just sanders who alluded to biden with comments over the weekend. let's take a listen to a couple of the other ones. >> some democrats in washington believe the only changes we can get are tweaks and nudges. some say if we all just calm down, the republicans will come to their senses. but our country is in a time of crisis. the time for small ideas is over. >> this president really could win again. he wins if we look like more of the same. he wins if we look like washington. >> lanni, he wins if democrats look more like washington. he is making an electability argument against biden right there. i'm curious. how do republicans look at that? are they itching to go at biden because they think they can make him so much like washington or

look at him compared to the rest of the field and say no, that's the guy who gets pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin. >> i think they'd rather run against pete buttigieg because he is more of the rorschach test right now. there is not a whole lot of policy there. but look, i think that biden has the luxury of running the kind of campaign he does right now which is why he is doing it and no one else. >> first debate in about a month from now. we'll see if that changes things. nick, zerlina, lanhee. ahead, one 2020 candidate's passionate message on a very newsy issue. -and...that's your basic three-point turn.

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in case you missed it, after that mass shooting in virginia beach that left 12 people dead on friday, only one 2020 democratic presidential candidate took on the issue of guns this weekend. cory booker's emotional speech captured the full attention of the crowd at the california convention. >> we are seeing the normalization of mass murder in our country. it is time for us as a nation not to normalize the violence and the carnage of gun violence. it is time that we come together and stand together and take a fight to the nra and the corporate gun lobby, like we have never seen before. we can lead that fight, and we can win. >> staffers said that booker had prepared a different speech to deliver at the convention, but

that he threw it out after the news of that massacre in virginia. thank you all for watching tonight. that is it for our show. chuck will be back tomorrow with more "meet the press daily" and "the beat" starts right now. >> thank you very much. president trump landing in london, hurling insults as massive protests loom while his son-in-law, jared kushner speaks out in this rare interview that you actually have to hear because he defends birtherism as well as the worst meeting of his life. one news outlet already dubbing it a, quote, clown show. and later, neal katyal is here for our opening arguments segment. he says he has the receipts that show bill barr has contradicted himself in an important way. but we begin with this developing news from congress. is there a path between impeaching trump and doing nothing? that debate, as you probably know, has been riling up democrats in congress as well as around the country ever since the mueller report came out, and especially since he spoke. well, now as the week begins we are s