for so many things. comey controversies and the russia probe is on the beat tomorrow. also joined by george will about what it means to be conservative right now and we will hear from a doj official who said donald trump obstructed justice. all that on the beat tomorrow. right now, it's "hardball." >> london broil. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews back in washington on this second day of president trump's state visit to the uk. pomp and circumstance were jout shown by politics and protest. the american partner and protest was met on the streets of london with fierce resistance. at buckingham palace, the giant balloon depicting the president

as a diaper-clat baby made its return to parliament square. it was flown during his last arrival last july. thousands of protesters flooded the streets for what was dubbed a carnival of resistance to him. despite what was visible to everyone, the president called the protest the very fact of the protest the reality of what you are looking at as fake news. >> and even coming over today, there were thousands of people cheering and heard they were protesting. i said where are the protests. i saw you a small protest today. very small. a lot of it is fake news. >> appearing alongside teresa may, he backed off criticism of her handling brexit and instead offering praise for the outgoing prime minister. >> i think it will happen. i believe the prime minister

brought it to a very good point where something will take place in the not too distant future. >> i seem to remember the president said i sued the european union. i didn't. we came out with a good deal. >> i would have sued, but that's okay. i would have sued and settled, but you never know. she's probably a better negotiator than i am. >> wow. how charming that was. the president continued to take swipes at a critic, london mayor. the president followed up on a pair of tweets just before his arrival calling the mayor a stone cold loser. >> i think he has been a not very good mayor from what i understand. crime is up and a lot of problems. i don't think he should be criticizing a representative of the united states that can do so much good for the united

kingdom. we talked about it before. he should be positive, not negative. he's a negative force, not a positive force. >> white house reporter for the associated press. jason johnson's politics editor for the root.com. from london, bobby gauche, bobby, thank you. you are smiling. i gotta ask you the most obvious question. why would trump deny what is visible to the entire planet, the protest against him. >> he spent spent a lot of time on pell copters and when he was on the road, his convoy was managed to avoid the places where they protested. he can claim he didn't see them, but i find it hard to believe he didn't know. surely someone would have whispered in his ear, a president who spent so much time

watching television cannot have avoided seeing those pictures on tv. you don't see what you don't want to see. that's the most charitable view you can take. >> you are charitable, bobby. the attitude you express is so clear. jill is a straight reporter for the associated press. what happened? the shah of iran knew what was up. >> the president really kept away as much as possible. he is surrounded by a lot of people who don't like to tell him no. >> don't look out the window. john mccain is out there. >> he has incredibly thin skin. it really bothers him. the press conference stated and i passed by the streets and they were cheering at me. they were taking cell phones of you because the president is driving through the city. i sometimes question whether the

president does think he sees people cheering him on. >> i have been looking at the pictures out there in fresno with pete buttigieg and i look at the top hat performances of the president in white tie and melania looks wonderful like a scene from the ascot in my fair lady. a big effort went into this and he messes it up dumping on the mayor of london and all the effort to make himself look like a world leader. >> it turns out that narcissim and peytonism don't mix well with diplomacy. he didn't restrain himself. he has been prepped to say don't violate protocol. he went on the howard stern show and joked about having sex with princess di. you can imagine people were trying to handle him and don't joke and don't say anything.

yet he can't help it. he hasn't help lashing out and cannot help making it all about himself. that's what we are seeing. >> i want to go with jason. i have been in black tie about four or five times and it's a pain to get dressed like that. he gets through it and melania looks fantastic and it looks like out of a movie. all thissest to be seen with the queen of england and the rest of the royal family and the whole story line is fighting with the mayor. he didn't have to mention his name. nobody knows who the mayor of london is. >> it's not just because he is petty, but the discomfort that he had. i made it, but there is this blue blood group that doesn't accept me. >> they elected him. >> only because he is president. he still feels like he's not. >> you don't believe she is -- >> she doesn't want to see him.

that's the kind of person he should be wanting to be seen with. she's an american. >> when asked about it, he raised the and foreign minster boris johnston and the secretary jeremy hon. >> i know boris and like him. i liked him for a long time. he would do a very good job. jeremy would do a very good job. i don't know michael. would he do a good job? tell me. >> this thing about interfering in other people's politics. the russians did it to us and he's comfortable doing it to the brits. this is a separate party at the u.s. ambassador's residence. boris johnson declined a request to meet with the president to

prepare for an event. they spoke by phone. johnson is most well-known of the candidates. he appeared on "hardball" in 2015 when he was mayor of london. here he is as mayor. let me ask you about leadership and the parsity of leaders and people like that. kennedy was looked up to. it's getting shallow for leaders. >> maybe that's a good thing. >> i'm listening. >> chris, maybe what it shows is actually that in many of our countries, the world does not require the critical leadership that margaret thatcher provided during the period when we have to facedown the russians. doesn't require the courage that winston churchill had to display in the existential moment in 1940. maybe we live in a blander

softer kind. >> on the scene in london, it's late there. is there such a thing as a british view? not left or jeremy corbin view or the labor party view. it is there a general view of trump that is mixed or they don't like the gauche? >> i think they like me. >> this ugly american, if you will. is that the way they look at him or not? >> he is the most unpopular american president since polling began. those are the numbers i saw today. that cuts across the board. unlike the u.s., it cuts across the political divide. not just jeremy corbin who skipped the dinner and spoke at the anti-trump rally today. plenty of other politicians across the spectrum didn't want to be seen anywhere near donald trump and didn't want a photo

op. a man who aspires to be prime minister chose to speak at an anti-trump rally and said he made a calculation, right or wrong, he made a calculation that is speaking up against the president of this country's most important ally, he figured that that would be a smart political move for him to make. >> i think boris wants to be prime minister. boris johnson had that aspect of being a man in the wilder nsz a and coming back. really you guys budding me since the day he arrived. he was elected in the electoral college. he got the 270 and he's here. he's president of the united states. his family wasn't elected. he hauled over all his kids, even tiffany for this occasion. he acts like the family is royal. he is confused.

he likes autocrats like putin. he loves tough guys. like netanyahu and tough guys like the worst kind like kim jong un and xi. he also likes monarchs. this is the second week in a row he is visiting with emperors and now the queen of england. what does he think he is that he brings his family with him like a royal? >> this is the dangerous thing about these trips for donald trump. when he went to france, he came back for the military parade and he think this s this royal fami thing. the trump family is a businesslike the windsors. why not? you see his supporters say he is american royalty. >> oh, come on. >> doesn't make him louie the 14th, but clearly he is smitten by these trappings of

authoritarian power and royalty. i think it was donald trump basically saying look, this is my family. i'm going to show the british royal family what the american royal family looks like. didn't quite come off. >> your thoughts as a straight reporter, the president of the united states is head of state. a woman can be head of state, too. this is the way it works. you are not elected king. >> it is highly, highly unusual. we have not seen this from other periods. not only the children who are advisers and the son-in-law who works in the white house, he is bringing along eric and don jr. who has aspirations and people who run the president's business who are profiting from the trump name and to bring them along and let them use the social media images adds more and more questions about the ethical issues. >> the republican party is called the republican party,

lower case. they believe in a republic and not a monarchy. i'm not going to kiss the butt of your family members. >> amash might be the only person. most of these guys, he is a walking emoluments clause violation. >> i was by the hotel the other day. how much cash is come through the door of that hotel. >> his children run his businesses. this is not sasha and malia. they can fly there on their own. this is the american people paying for vacations and business opportunities for his family. this is being seen all over the world by other people that trump's children want to do negotiations with them. >> if you are the king or from saudi arabia or from the emir e emirates or israel, you have to deal with the son-in-law as if he is a viceroy? >> or the hand of the king. by giving this high profile

position and these opportunities to his kids, he is setting himself up to have power. >> i have a theory about tlucru and he is playing the cards that i can meet with periods of state. not the prime ministers, but the emperor of japan and the queen of england and prance around as if i'm a royal and maybe that will intimidate people because i'm so big. jill colvin, jason, thank you for your strength. charlie and the american people. and bobby gauche, you are a great gentleman. thank you for coming on to give us this in londontown. our house is set tow begin hearings on the mueller report and they are being careful not to call it impeachment. that's it is i word we don't use. the growing number of house democrats are pushing for impeachment. i don't buy this delay status. this game.

sometime we will get to it. either do it now, do it. it's now or never. what we learned from mayor pete buttigieg. gun violence and other topics last night. what a great group of people came out at fresno state. regular people out there. the preview of a "hardball" event. in dayton, we are doing the deciders. ohio votes with the winner and the winner comes from ohio. that's the way it works for 60 years. stay with us. stay with ohio and you stay with us. thanks. thanks pete buttigie

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donaldson to the list of officials and former officials who are now defying congressional subpoenas. defying them. the white house directed those two women not to happened over documents to congress related to their tima at the white house. they are private citizens being directed by the white house. they are rethinking when it comes to impeachment. the newspaper dubbed the house democrats's non-impeachment impeachment campaign for president trump. we will think of what we think of that. house democrats are preparing next week with robert mueller's report and presidential obstruction where they call on watergate's star witness and former nixon white house counsel, john dean to testify. next tuesday, the full house will vote on to hold don mcgahn and william barr in contempt. the coin for the start of the

inquiry is slowly increasing. look at the faces. nbc news counts at least 59 lawmakers in the house pushing for the start of real impeachment. i'm joined by congressman raja krishnamoorthi. congressman, what is going on? is this a smoke screen? i get the feeling that bringing back john dean, what's this, the golden oldies? this is like a top 60s radio station. why are we bringing back a guy from the 70s when you should be beginning impeachment if you are real? >> i'm a classic rock fan and a 90s music fan. going to your question, john dean has a historical perspective that few people have. him coming before the judiciary committee will help to educate the public about the seriousness of the charges that were made in the mueller report. that's probably a good thing,

but we need to have bob mueller on capitol hill. >> why? >> only bob mueller can explain the findings in a way that will gather attention from the public. there will be a super bowl-sized audience. he's the under arresticoracle o. people pay attention. >> do you believe, you are on television now, you are a great fellow, i can tell. if he's box office and draws a huge audience and comes off with tremendous personality and credibility, do you believe that will start the impeachment process? >> possibly. >> wait a minute. then why are you doing all of this stuff? why have john dean when you won't even say he is box office and makes a passionate case, you have got to do it?

do you think he will do it? >> do you think he would be able to set off impeachment? >> if he said it's your turn under the constitution and your job under the constitution is to be the prosecutors. to sentence the judge. do your job. if said it like that, would it work? >> possibly. the reason i say that is right now in our town in washington, there are few people that could earn the trust and good will of the american people in the same way bob mueller can. that's why it's so important for him to come to capitol hill and tell us what he meant with the statements that he made in his report. we have so many questions for him. i think that him coming to capitol hill would be a special time in this whole impeachment -- in this whole

saga with the mueller probe. >> it looks like you are coming up with one excuse after another. now we want to hear him testify and then we want to hear from mcgahn and then his secretary and then hope hicks and then we want to hear from -- then we will think about it. do you think it's june. if it's august, will you have moved by then? when will you move if you are going to move. my theory is now or never. if you are not going to move now, there is no time later. the presidential campaign is in full swing by september. >> here's the thing. if you start the impeachment process without sufficient evidence to sustain a potential conviction, it could be seen as an empty exercise and worse, it could embolden the president and his misconduct. that would be horrible. >> why don't you make that

argument? it doesn't make sense to impeach because we won't get a conviction. it's not about more time. it doesn't make more sense. you guys on the hill, democrats and republicans, you saw obstruction of justice. you saw a president of the united states fire an fbi director. you saw him through mcgahn's testimony. if that's not obstruction, what is? >> it's obstruction and impeachable, but when do we start? we can potentially get a conviction. we have to pursue the investigations and we have seen success in the courts with regard to getting financial records. that's an area of inquiry that bob mueller did not have an opportunity or decided not to pursue and i believe the financial records have a lot of important information in them. >> i will make a gentleman's bet

with you. we will have the same conversation and there will be no impeachment exercised by the democrats. i trust your judgment as well. up next, the steadfast republican allies are starting to push back in the newest tariff threats. they think of them as tax. they don't like them and don't like trump pushing for them. will they rebuke for refusing to endorse what amounts to new taxes? they think they will lose the tax cuts they got last year. "hardball" is back in a minute. . "hardball" is back in a minute if you have moderate to severe psoriasis

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what do you think of republican who is say they may take action to block you? >> i don't think they doll that. if they do, it's foolish. there is nothing more important than borders. i had tremendous republican support. i have a 94% approval rating as of this morning in the republican party. that's an all time record. you can believe that? isn't that something? i love records. >> 94%. welcome back to "hardball." that was president trump responding to report this is morning in london that republican lawmakers, senators especially could block his tariffs on mexico which he plans to start imposing. now they report that senators have warned the administration that they are ready to deliver a major re-buick of the president

if the tariffs are put into effect. in a closed door lunch today, senators cold the white house there could be a disapproval vote saying they could have enough support to override a veto. they would levy a 5% tariff that would rise to 25% unless mexico stops the flow of migrants coming to the united states through their country. according to the "washington post," there is a growing consensus that the tariffs amount to a tax. bad word for republicans. a contributor and adviser for rand paul's campaign. eli elise, put your republican hat on. your culture. taxes. tariffs. republican party for years when we were both growing up, may ahead of you. they were against tariffs and for free trade. that was the republican orthodoxy. now he is talking about a 25%

tariff on all the strawberries, raspberries, tomatoes. it's amazing the statistics how much we rely in the winter on the stuff we love like strawberries and tomatoes from mexico. >> avocados and beer from mexico. it makes no sense to put another tax on the american consumers. the middle class that would primarily be affected by this. it goes against and is the antithesis against what they toad for, as you mentioned. free trade and capitalism and donald trump pushing his plans for a planned economy. i spoke to a republican source on the hill who said it's not a question of if they will oppose the tariff, but they are figuring out their strategy and when they are going to do it. >> all the crap the republican his to eat because of this.

all the stuff they had to put up. they put up with a lot. the "access hollywood" tape and this gross behavior with women. we can take all of that, but don't raise your taxes. is this the republican value system? >> republican voters will continue to vote for donald trump as long as the economy is strong. overall he will be on a glide path to election as long as the economy am stays strong. moves like this, it's a tax hike estimated in 2018 that donald trump's tariff raised the average american's taxes by $400 with the new tax and that would be about $800. when effort goods are not affordable anymore, that's a substantial hit to the american consumer and american voter. >> it's great to have you on. these our horse whisperer. i'm joined by the 2020 candidate and democratic senator from

colorado whose new book, the land of flickering lights, restoring america in broken politics. you are a politician and running for president. do some reading of the other side. why are tariffs all of a sudden the one thing republicans won't go along with trump on? >> i think they believe it's insane economic policy. there is not anybody in america out of 330 million people who think this is a good idea other than druchlt even the republicans have found their limit which i think tells you what a ridiculous idea it is. >> if you have to put it together, their rate red of illegal immigrants or hatred of taxes? which is greater? >> most republicans i know back in colorado don't hate immigrants. they do hate taxes. this president managed to screw up the stuff going on at the border because he is treeing us like a weak country and not a

strong country. we can't even handle the refugees at the border like many around the world are dealing with it. he spent six months trying to get to $6 billion for a wall that the mexicans were supposed to pay for and now he put a tax on the american people which he said mexico is going to pay for. this is an attack on workers and farmers and ranchers. at the worst possible moment because commodity prices are already terrible, the tafrs have been retal yatd against by other countries and our farmers are paying the price for donald trump not understanding the most basic thing about economics. or immigration, chris. i have people in my state that are having to sell their farm equipment because they have no workers because of donald trump's immigration policy. >> let me ask you about this question with our president. they have to be the prosecution.

the senate to be the judge. it doesn't look like it's going to get to you. you are never going to get to offer your position on it. do you have a position? >> i believe having read the mueller report, he committed impeachable upon offenses and he obstructed justice and should have hearings in the house. mueller and others should testify and we have to make a judgment about what to do. i think everybody needs to understand that if the house impeached tomorrow, mcconnell would acquit donald trump next week. >> that's true two years or five years from now. that will never be different. >> probably not. with mcconnell, you are probably right. it would be useful for the american people to see what the record is. the other night, chris, i watched 20 minutes of youtube clips of the watergate hearings. that will bring a tear to your

eye. that reminds you of what a government looks like. >> give us a translation to the 2019 of what it felt like to watch in 1974. that committee. >> to see republicans and democrats exercising their constitutional responsibility to search out the truth and not to show up with partisan talking points. as you remember, the watergate committee discovered the take place. no prosecutor found the take place. congress was doing its job methodically day after day. nice after night. making sure the american people understood what was at stake when a president violated the rule of law. i think we benefit from that again. i don't want to give donald trump a better chance of getting reelected. we have to make sure he is a

one-term president. it's too bad, with but we have to walk and chew gum at the same time. >> the leader on the committee was what did the president know and when did he know it? he tried to fire the fbi who wouldn't protect him and tried to fire the special counsel who was prosecuting him. we don't need tapes between him. we don't need that stuff. it's not an investigative effort. you sound like you know enough to impeach him. >> but i read the mueller report and most people in america have no idea what's in it. if you proceed without the american people actually knowing what's in there, i think that's going to create a huge problem for everybody. chl are remember it took a year before the republicans came around on watergate.

they finally saw the facts. i grant you we know legal conclusions, but there may be other stuff as well. i do believe when you are talking about something like impeachment even if it is this president we are talking about, you have to put the facts out. >> thanks for having me, chris. >> the name of his book, i will read every page of it. the land of flickering lights. an age of broken politics. recapping the important and interesting moments with mayor pete buttigieg like showing when he first attended a "hardball" live event when he was a kid. let's watch. >> here you were in 2 thousand 3 asking about young voters. >> congressman, why are you the only presidential candidate not

attending the forum and do you think youth matters in your campaign. >> they matter a lot and that's why i'm here. when i was in college, jack kennedy was president and i was moved when he said to young people like me, get involved in politics and give part of your to politics. i want to say to all of you here, get involved in public life, give back to your country, don't just take from it. get involved in the campaign. if not for me, get behind somebody and get out there and work and make this country a better place. you can do this. >> when we gave one of our town hall viewers a ra o a chance to weigh in on that exchange. >> sir, do you have a question for the mayor? dick gephardt.

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welcome back to "hardball." last night i was in fresno state in california for a live town hall with mayor pete buttigieg. it was a lively discussion with california voters asking important questions to the presidential candidate himself, including this question about the question of impeachment. >> i want to know if you support speaker pelosi's slow, cautious approach towards the impeachment inquiry or not and why. >> thank you. first all, i believe the president deserves to be impeached. the only place we and have a procedure or due process or go through the steps of evidence

and so forth as long as he is in the oval office is in congress in the foermt of impeachment proceedings. i think that's what we are going have to do. >> if you were voting in congress, would you vote to impeach? >> yeah, i would. >> i asked him about gun violence and his call for a national gun registry. >> you have come out for a national licensing plan. how would that work? we have 400 million guns in this country. how do you license them? >> you have to have a tlons have a car, it doesn't seem that unreasonable for deadly rep onry we have the same. let's at least get it right going forward. >> so future guns get registered and not the ones we have now? >> let's figure out a system. >> have you changed on this because i thought you believed in licensing of all guns? >> we can start on a go forward basis to have a system we can actually use. >> that are will go over well

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welcome back to "hardball." two new polls out today from cnn and morning consult show former vice president joe biden

maintaining his tight grip amid the crowded field of 2020. the former vice president lead could explain why according to 34ri9 coe, the trump 2020 campaign is looking to widen his path to reelection. the president is trailing biden in pennsylvania, michigan, and wisconsin. they are now zeroing in on new mexico, new hampshire and nevada as pickups if they lose the three states. that may be an up hill battle. they won the governorship and their state senate. what are they looking for if it's not the happy hunting ground? former senior adviser to the hillary clinton campaign and msnbc news analyst. trump, is he worried about the industrial states? he has to get at least two of them. >> if the democrats can put up

either a still strong and focused campaign and makes it from here to there, he will have proved he really is the strong candidate this time and that will definitely be worrying. joe biden doesn't have the fanatics. >> it's not like the sanders fanatics. >> if he gets from here to there, he will prove he is despite past mistakes, the guy. at that point he will be a threat because he does connect with the white working class in pennsylvania, michigan, and wis cons sin. >> here's the question. why is nothing moving in the polls. i thought elizabeth warren was moving. she is with kamala harris for this third position. i don't see a lot of movement. >> it's early and we know the margin of error is basically

living within the margin of error. joe biden has the commanding lead and bernie i think is second. i think from now until the first, we will see where they are. after the first debate being we will see a lot of shifting. we have 12 debates in the democratic party primary. there is going to be a lot -- >> you want to jump ahead. you start. how do you win a debate with 20 people in it? >> you can't. >> 10 each night. >> somebody will have prepared material and we will all spot it. that was a said play. but the press will still put it up top even though it was a said play. now they will come in with something clever like 999, herman kaine. >> for has to be the game. the first two debates will likely have 10 people on each stage when they make

announcements. candidates might get eight or nine minutes each if they are lucky. probably more like three or four. >> will they answer questions from savannah and lester holt? >> they will be either looking to get boost fold for the top of the newspaper or in the video editing room when the networks and the cable shows are trying to figure out what to feature. that's what those people want. >> it's a smard move and we are jumping ahead. it's smard to do it. what a couple of them are doing with biden. >> absolutely. he's the front runner and they are doing what they should be doing. what's the most interesting thing to watch in the first debate, candidates know who they will be on the stage with. . >> you have several subcategories here.

al franken is forced to resign for the senate. mayor pete separated himself from the components with his response. let's watch. >> al franken, should he have been pushed by the democratic caucus? >> i think it was his decision to make, but the way we basically held him to a higher standard than the gop does their people has been used against us. >> was he right to do that? to push him out? >> i would not have applied that pressure at that time. >> and new york senator kirstin gillibrand stood by the calls for frank tone resign. eight credible allegations and two since he was elected senator and one from a staffer. that's not too high of a standard regardless of how the party handle this is behavior and worse. how did that come out?

>> i thought he was fantastic. there are a lot of voters who think gillibrand and others went too far. he's making a play saying this is your lane and i support the me too movement of course, but there is a line that should be drawn. i think the line was crossed with al franken. i'm glad you pressed him on that. if you had been there. >> nobody wants to answer that tough question. >> but he did answer it and that goes back to what the debates will be like. to some extent, buttigieg and he are in the same lane. there practical people who have in some cases ideological views that are difficult to category size and portray themselves as practical problem solvers. they're younger generational things. she talks about how she was a young mom and so forth. that was a shot by buttigieg.

>> the timing is everything and the me too movement at that particular time and the concern by the caucus by doug jones. they. ed to set a high standard and live by it. >> the story is not totally written as to how credible the allegations are. >> thank you. howard fineman and adrian. we'll hear from the voters in the next stop. dayton, ohio. we will have details about that after the break. "hardball" is on the road. t after the break. "hardball" is on the road.

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the last time an american president won without winning ohio was back in 1960. ohio went for trump after going for obama twice. it makes sense for us to take the next show to the buckeye state. on thursday, june 13th, we will number dayton talking to voters about real concerns towards the 2020 presidential election. like ohio as a whole, montgomery which including dayton voted for

ohio and twice went for trump. we will talk about the issues that trump won on and what he could or could not win on again in 2020. for ticket information to go, go to the "hardball" groimt account. that's "hardball." all in with chris hayes starts right now. >> tonight on all in. >> we will be doing a series of volume one of the mueller report. >> paul manafort may move to reichers island. >> that's what my position is. >> the latest on investigating the president amid more trump world criminality and corruption. then, senator sherrod brown on the trump campaign's troubles in the midwest. stacey abrams