"deadline: white house" with nicole wallace starts now. hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york as the third day of donald trump's european vacation enters its final hours and on the eve of a somber and sacred day of remembrance, the 75th anniversary of d-day, the whole world is now in on america's dirty little secret. for donald trump no jab too low, no hour too late to tweet insults and his grasp on global affairs and domestic ones for that matter very, very loose. as in slipping through his fingers loose. as in he would appear to know less, if that's possible, than when he was elected. >> the queen is a great lady. when you're walking in with the queen, she can walk as fast z as i can, but it's really slowly. talking about nasty. she was nasty to me.

it's okay for me to be nasty. it's not okay for me to be nasty to her. i know so much about nuclear weapons. don't forget i'm the one who gets trained and has to study this. at that time hitler was virtually unstoppable. he was going through countries like cheese. in london you have stabbings all over the place. they said your hospital is a sea of blood all over the floors. let me try this on. >> you can try it on. >> it's big. we had a great conversation. it was about as you would call it, climate change. he is really into climate change. and i think that's great. i love that, i like that. >> did you listen to him about it? >> i totally listened. and he talked about architecture. this has been two days of intensive -- it's not work because i like it. >> that's where we start today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. with us at the table, jeremy bash fortunater chief of staff at the ci, christine greer is

back, plus matt miller flew in for the occasion, former chief spokesman to the department of justice and former aid to the white house, elise miller. ashley, do you want to take a run at that? >> sure. there was a lot there. i mean, um. so just to start in one spot. on the one hand, right, if you're being charitable, perhaps the president was jet lagged, we've been there. just got back from the trip to jap japan, you're in your hotel room, you're laying there, bored and you take to twitter. but this is a president that's always finding someone to attack. even if it's on foreign soil. someone who should seem well below him -- someone that it doesn't make any sense for the president to attack while in the uk for a state visit.

and for actual policy, this is sort of his m.o.. and in a way this is a president who brings the comforts from home abroad. and this is a president who is comfortable in functioning in chaos, a president who likes an enemy, who likes to keep people off kilter and likes to be the center of attention. he arrives in london, which is going through its own brexit turmoil. there's a fight to be the next leader, and instead of kind of wading into that as much he does what he always does, he tweets, says something, and makes himself the center of attention, which is frankly, where he is most comfortable. >> you mentioned twitter, ashley parker, let's put up his tweets from last night. the president of the united states tweeted this about bette midl midler. washed up psycho bette midler was forced to apologize for a statement that she attributed to me that turned up to be totally

fabricated by her in order to make your great president look bad. she got caught. bette midler responded, quote, i want to thank you everyone who came to my defense last night during my personal battle of the bulge with he who -- i can't believe this is the news. your wit and good nature lifted my spirits. as a newly washed up psycho i'm grateful for your thoughts and prayers. elise? >> there is something about reading the battle of the bulge, that she really went there. >> so did he. he's at a state visit. >> he loves to call women psychos, crazy. this is just a continuation of his pattern of behavior his whole life where he hates strong women, he can't deal with strong women, so when you're being hosted by queen elizabeth, arguably one of the most powerful women in the world, this is where your mind is. >> can you imagine being the staffer that walks into -- i

don't know, a foreign leader and says, okay, so you're meeting with the american president, what's on his mind, staffer? last night he tweeted about -- oh, you know that american actress, is it all like sipsy o? what is this? >> it's an embarrassment, it's cringe worthy to have the united states of america president traveling overseas, in commemoration of one of the most sacred days in our world's history, operation overlord advance on normandy to liberate europe from tyranny. the american presidency is supposed to be a symbol of honor, dignity, and that which will confront tyranny. and the president is acting like a stand up comic, tweeting late at night, making nonclever

jokes, embarrassing our values that we stood far from world war ii forward. >> he was also asked about not serving in the vietnam war. >> you were not able to serve because of the bone spur condition of your speed. do you wish you could have served? >> i was never a fan of that war. i'll be honest with you, i thought it was a terrible war, it was very far away. you're talking about vietnam, and at that time nobody heard of the country. this isn't like i'm fighting against nazi germany, fighting against hitler. i was like a lot of people, i wasn't out in streets marching, saying i'm going to move to canada, which a lot of people did. i was not a fan of that war -- >> would you have liked to serve generally? >> i would not have minded that at all, i would have been honored by i think i make up for

it now. >> matt miller? >> it's a shameful comment from the president. this is a week he's over nra to commemorate sacrifice. a time hundreds of thousands of americans sacrificed their lives to liberate europe and some to liberate countries in asia. it's a concept foreign to him. it would be one thing if he said, i was opposed to to that war, opposed to war, i was an objector. that isn't what he did. his father paid to get him a phony medical deferment so he wouldn't have to serve. so to hear him talk about the vietnam war that way, at any time is bad, but this week is especially shameful, given what he's going to tomorrow when he shows up at normandy. >> when has donald trump ever sacrificed anything? he has no shame. that's what makes him dangerous. we giggle to keep from crying

but this train wreck has all of us on it. he's driving the global train. so when he goes to foreign soil and behaves in this manner, he does not understand the role of the united states president and where they sit in a global-sphere, let alone domestically. this is normal for him. to speak about the queen, she walks fast. is that your attack away from meeting one of the -- she was alive on d-day. if this doesn't have to do with him, he's not interested nor is he interested in learning about it. he doesn't read, he's said it time and time again, he doesn't need to read because he knows things. as a professor i find that to be completely abhorrent, the one thing i tell my students, don't take my word for it, read, read lots of things to understand. we were in vietnam well before

1950, well before 1940. we were in vietnam in the '30s. so had he understood that, it seems what's frustrating is the people around him aren't interested or capable in educating him except on bullet points that have to do with him. >> i want to ask you guys a serious question, what's wrong with him? >> where to begin. >> i'm serious. >> narcissistic personality disorder. i think at the start, we have someone who does not appreciate history. believes that the presidency is there to serve him and his interests. and fundamentally he will do a deal with whoever he thinks benefits him. so in the context of europe, confronting tyranny. why do we commemorate d-day? it serves as an inspiration to this generation and future generations that if america was

challenged again like we were in the 1940s would we stand up to a hitler, to a tyrant, the answer is if you look at the honor and sacrifice of previous generations hopefully we would muster that courage. >> let me stop you right there. the world's tyrants are the people this president is most attracted to. they are his spirit animals. >> that's the point. he wants to be send love letters to vladimir putin and kim jong-un. he believes if you embrace a tyrant because they embrace you, that's good policy. that's a collapse of diplomacy. >> i think there are two problems also, though. one he wants to be like them and with them, but whenever he's confronted next to them, he behaves like all bulliebullies, becomes a small boy and doesn't have the lip as he does when he's tweeting about it.

we are in the middle of a smash and grab presidency. why is his family there? we know this man is not a billionaire. we have yet to see his taxes. but we're also seeing him push the norms beyond what we've ever seen before in a financial space. where we are so far -- i think the horse has left the barn so long ago and every day we're inundated with something new that is borderline criminal or actually illegal and criminal. looking at his daughter-in-law, his campaign person, his children who work for him and his businesses sitting at the table in an official capacity, saying we're here for the state visit. why are you there as a state visit? you should not be at that table but here we are, and they're not going anywhere and they're going to continue to make money. >> agree. it's bad enough when the president goes overseas and embarrasses himself and the president and the united states.

the long-term damage is worse people accuse us of being imperialists. there's a new accusations you can leverage against the united states, we're unreliable. the commitments we make to international alliances, like those commemorating d-day tomorrow. we can no longer be counted as a reliable partnership. that's true, even if donald trump is gone in a year and a half and the next president reverses everything he's done. we're still the nation that elected this guy, and if we did it once we can do it again. if you're a foreign leader sitting down with donald trump, watching him intervening in your politics, cozying up to dictators, pulling the united states out of international alliances. this is bad enough but you have no reason to believe that a united states who elected a demigod won't do it in the future. >> he's the symptom of a larger

problem. we saw the episode in this episode of sitting in his hotel room and tweeting about an american actress/performer in the middle of the night while on an official state visit, commemorating an important historical event combatting tyranny and nazi-ism, i can't help but look at that and think this is a bad time. that there are people defending this behavior, this representation of the united states is enabled and tolerated by some americans who are so dug in to that side of the camp that we have lost our common humanity, it's a scary time and you're looking at how it's a transformational period, i would put up there with the industrial revolution, in terms of how much havoc is being wrecked. >> let me bring in ashley

parker. your coverage of the last foreign trip your twitter feed was pulitzer worthy. i think you wrote a lead about how in one tweet and a subsequent press appearance the president sided with a dictator, insulted a former vice president and undermined his sitting national security advisor. i want to ask you about the reporting -- obviously you're not on this trip, but what is the mindset -- is the bar so low that the staffers are like, yes, he did not streak across buckingham palace, high five. have they no shame? >> a couple things. the general operating principle at this point applies at home applies abroad. which is there is a blanket understanding or expectation that on certain key areas the president is not going to be controlled. so when they see that bette midler tweet, are they surprised?

maybe that he attacked bette midler but they're not necessarily surprised there was a late-night tweet attacking a u.s. pop culture figure because that is what they have come to expect, they can't control it and they sort of don't get worked up about it generally unless it causes diplomatic mayh mayhem. now going back to -- >> that's a very, very low bar, ashley. >> yeah, that's the way i described it, i guess the cliff notes is that's a low bar. the other thing that they've come to suspect, which is true on the japan trip and likely this is, no matter what the trip is, and president trump was excited about the japan trip, because of the historic honor of seeing the emperor on the throne and he was excited about this trip because of the pomp and ceremony around the trip. but on these trips there's almost an expectation going in

some way he'll make a statement, give an interview, send a tweet that will lead to an area of diplomatic clean up or news in ways they weren't expecting. so they go in prepared for that, in as much as you can't prepare for how it's going to happen or what's going to go on. >> in the bush presidency, there was a backgrounder with the national security advisor, sometimes the secretary of state and sometimes experts from the state department, did they have objectives, do they do those for these trips for you guys? do they have objectives when they go overseas or is it just to pray against diplomatic mayhem? >> i will say for a lot of these trips there often is a background call with reporters where you can ask questions and they go over some of their objectives. but for instance on the japan trip we specifically asked, what are the deliverables, the

substancive things the president plans to accomplish? an official told us we should expect substance, substantive things but never laid out was it on trade, north korea, reaif firming the relationship? so they do have these calls but there's not actually a lot of specifics they want to preview or layout. >> one of the things i doubt was on the background call was reuping an insult the president can't quick, that was about john mccain. >> i didn't know about it, somebody said it happened, they're painting the ship. i have no idea if it happened or not. i hear it's fake news. but maybe it is, maybe it isn't. but again, i don't talk about john mccain unless somebody asks me about him. >> it happened, and it's disturbing on many levels not the least of which is the fact

that he's not getting accurate information from the pentagon or more likely he got accurate information and he's misleading the american public about the information he got. so he's recommitted himself here in this interview to his stance, which is i cannot see the likeness, image, name of john mccain because it sends me into the either. it feeds the insecurity we talked about, about a man who is insecure about his own service, his own sacrifice, his own sense of self-worth and honor. >> he also thought being president would make everyone love him deep down. he's never had that. if you know the history of donald trump in new york city, he's never been in the circles that he wanted in. that's why he opened his own golf clubs. here you have world leaders wishing for barack obama.

>> or john mccain. >> inside, no matter what he does, reaching various levels of achievement, the fact that a man has to throw out the fact i have the nuclear codes when speaking to pierce morgan, that lets us know he's keeping things on his mind. >> that's what that means. >> ashley parker, thank you for your reporting. i haven't seen you since your tremendous reporting from japan, we ate it all up here, we loved it. thank you for spending time with us today. after the break we'll ask the former director of the cia how he explains about the president's eagerness to step into the brexit affair. elizabeth warren sizing up her venue tonight to accommodate a bigger crowd. rising in the polls ahead of tonight's town hall. is congress getting ready to hold the attorney general in contempt? all those stories coming up. contempt all those stories coming up.

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on the eve of the sol let me 75th anniversary of d-day the value and importance of america's alliances and the stakes of the president's sometimes contentious relationship with great britain has never been clearer. today the "new york times" highlights the fallouts from the president's trip to the uk where he tried to play king maker to someone else's country, a country he is deeply unpopular.

the "the washington post" writing, the future of the post war order won in battles like d-day is anyone's guess. in 2019 john wrote these beaches teach us the steep toll of isolation and america first. joining our conversation, former cia director and now msnbc news analyst, john brennan. director brennan your take on that point about what d.-day digging signifies and warnings for the future. >> it's difficult to speak of the president of the united states when he's abroad but i think we wish we had somebody who was more knowledgeable of history, as well as more dignified particularly on the 75th anniversary of d-day, when the transatlantic alliance

demonstrated how important it is to peace and security in the area, the region, as well as around the globe. i think that a number of signals that mr. trump has sent the last two plus years has undermined the confidence our allies have in the united states as far as being the ultimate security guarant guarantor. that's why when he talks about brexit and other things he doesn't have a grasp p of the implications of the united kingdom's divorce, and he doesn't understand how important the alliance is in the face of whatever aggression we might be facing. >> just on john meacham's point of isolationism, donald trump putting his finger on the scale for some of the most nationalistic, kpen phobic type

movements. >> this is the movements that predate world war ii, i think mr. trump has spoke disparageingly about the treaties and alliances that strengthen the ability of the united states to work on these very, very important issues. so i think mr. meech john meech others see that mr. trump is undercutting the united states' ability to be the leader of the free world and make sure these authoritarian leaders and tyrants are not able to use political environments in order to strengthen their own grasp on power. he's again sending a very bad signals as america's strongmen with the america first mantra, i think he underscores the sovereignty aspects of

nationalism and the importance i think we all attach to making sure that our countries are strong and safe. but this isolationism, tribalism that we see manifested in many of the movements around the world i think is being embedded and accelerated and emphasized by mr. trump. >> do you accept the premises that he is, at least in his mind, on his best behavior? is that a fair description of how you view his conduct thus far? >> i think as the other panelists have mentioned, he enjoys the pomp and circumstance that is part of a state visit, particularly in the united kingdom and the history that goes with the monarchy there. when he sticks with the scripts and reads the comments prepared for him, he is conveying the importance that the united states attaches to the special bilateral relationship, as well as the alliance. >> we examined him, we did not

edit the tape that we started the program with, where he came in talking about -- i believe he was talking about prince charles, he's deeply dedicated, knowledgeable about climate change. donald trump said it was something he was into. but also architecture. talking about the pace the queen walks. if you're examining donald trump, just observing him from a distance, from what is seen on television and advising other world leaders, what do you say about him? >> i think after two years we know what donald trump is all about. he's all about himself. and he is somebody who is not going to be really interested in having an intellectual curiousty about the issues that affect all of our lives and the future lives of generations, americans and britains and others. i think he continues to have this ad hoc attitude toward these issues and will speak

whatever comes on his mind or tweet. it is quite disspiriting. i think most americans wish we had somebody who was deserving of that office. and to lead the united states at a very challenging time of world history and i don't think we have that, we have somebody who's willing to sort of banter on issues that he knows little about, and quite frankly i think he cares little about as well. >> director brennan, thank you for spending time with us today and every day. we're grateful to have you. jeremy, i want to ask you to pick up on something the director mentioned about isolationi isolationism. we can talk around it, we're not capable of diagnosing anybody but he appears less capable of sustaining his own thoughts for longer than 4 to 6 seconds. it used to be he couldn't follow anyone else's conversation but now it seems he can't follow his

own train of thought. i don't know that means, but if i'm a foreign ally or adversary, i don't know what to think. but also putting his finger on the scale for these populist ways, they're anti-immigrant ways and he doesn't dance around it, he does so brazenly. >> there are the dangers of trump and then the dangers of trumpism. one of the central tenants of trumpism is the nativism, that we can pull up the drawbridge and isolate ourselves from the rest of the world. the problems of the world are only america's to solve. the way vladimir putin operates is if i can go head on with any country, i can win --

in the contest between the united states and china for economic influence. and we see this with the huawei issue in the headlines. i don't think we're gaining influence in the uk, europe, and elsewhere, in bringing them to our camp versus china's camp because we have an american presidency and an approach from the white house that's fundamentally ineffective. >> after the break, elizabeth warren is rising in some polls. does her clarity around the question of impeachment have anything to do with it? that story next. anything to do with it that story next. sure you do. that's why it's on us. 2. unlimited data. use as much as you want, when you want. 3. no surprises on your bill. taxes and fees included. still think you have a better deal? bring in your discount, and we'll match it. that's right. t-mobile will match your discount.

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venues for her event today in red state, indiana because they needed more space. in a race defined by moments she may have had one for herself last night, asked about concerns that the democratic establishment would hand it to joe biden. >> i don't want to be the america of 10 years back or 20 years back or 30 years back. i want to build a better america. i think this is our moment to do this, our time in history. so you tell your friend, you tell your friend, if she's worried, then put her worry to work. get up off her butt and volunteer. >> that was a cheering crowd in michigan, by the way. a state donald trump won by just 10,000 votes in 2016.

the smallest margin of any state in that election. so for democrats it's heartening to see this i'm sure. a new michigan poll shows five candidates ahead of trump in statewide head-to-heads, biden, sanders, buttigieg, warren and harris. the table is back. >> you saw in the clip what people don't realize about elizabeth warren, she's very dynamic on the stump. i think a lot of things are attributable to her rise, one her position on impeachment is where the democratic base is. i think her policies are where the democratic base is. and she has an answer to the problems of deindustrialization that donald trump offered a false answer to, she has a policy to address that that you haven't heard from others in the field at least in the detailed ways she has. and last night i was glad she attacked joe biden, not because i have anything against joe biden but if i want anyone in a

democratic party, i want someone who knows how to take a bunch and deliver a punch, that's crucial in taking on donald trump. she's shown she's willing to throw a punch. >> just as donald trump has a visceral reaction to strong, smart women, he would short circuit a little bit. but we know that joe biden is repackaging a version of donald trump's make america great again -- >> wait. you think the biden candidacy is trump? >> in a positive spin. let's go back to the old days. for women and people of color in the country when were the old days so great? his version when the guys worked at the factory and everything was great, really was it? there were people that couldn't get jobs in those factories based on gender and race. so his idea of this greatest

generation, there are a lot of people you don't have to scratch the surface of american history, you can read a book or think about the stories from your parents or your grandparents. >> i don't know -- >> that's my problem with joe biden. >> my position i will vote for any of the candidate's automobile, whomever they nominate, you got me already. but i don't know that biden supporters feel -- i think most biden supporters feel that's a harsh assessment of his campaign. >> it started with the sharpest rebuke. he took a figurative 2 by 4 to what most people are the nastiest moments in donald trump's presidency on charlottesville. >> where did he say it? in pennsylvania, sort of surrounded by older white men that represent, in joe biden's mind, america.

i don't think that's what elizabeth warren, kamala harris, pete buttigieg is trying to do. they're saying we need to move forward, with coalition voting, those that never voted in the past or never felt they were part of the conversation. that russia shadow is still there. we need to make sure we have another people out there so even if putin and friends wantd to interfere we have enough people investigated making sure they have the democracy we want. >> i don't agree that joe biden is a makeover of trumpism. joe biden has dedicated his life to progress, social justice, economic justice, he does look out for working class americans. and i take your point when we talk about middle america or what the working class wants, we tend to focus on swing states,

the midwest, to the detriment of coast-to-coast. i think that's a fair point but it undermines the record of joe biden and his vision -- >> i'm not saying he's trump at all. >> i agree with you, with your broader premises. i think it's going to be a mistake for democrats to think that pushing the blame on trump and saying that the past was, you know, a-okay before trump entered the scene, that's going to be short sided and it's going to catch up with joe biden in the primary. >> i put this question, and i'm happy to have you all take the ball and run with it, this is the dream, what we all dream about, but i wanted to stop and ask you all the question, she's rising i think in the polls in texas, state by state polls, i hate this phrase having a moment. anyone who works on a campaign, they're dog years. no days and moments, it's like

having an infant. no one has a moment. she has a strong campaign, built on a strong foundation, and she's a better candidate than she was two years ago full stop. she is also in the middle of a very, very, very complicated fraught news cycle where she seems to be, along with kamala harris, leading some of the messages and policies around holding donald trump accountable for misdeeds, criminal conduct if you will, changing the olc memo and impeachment. do you think that's helping? >> i think it is on two grounds. one she has a message. there are candidates in the field that don't have a imagine, can't tell you why they want to be president. she has a message, holding trump accountable and why she wants to be president. >> she's not poll testing it. >> she's just ready to fight. that's what people want. >> correct. >> that's the criticism you see from democrats about what's happening in washington now, you have democrats sort of debating with themselves, should we go for impeachment or not?

>> public isn't with us. >> just go out and fight, that's what she does. >> not to compare her to donald trump and george bush in one show because she'll never come on, that's not my point. one of the exercises in sort of the black and white nature of a campaign is that she communicates with the most clarity. i don't know if there's a democratic more clear than -- >> she's a teacher, she's a profess zer profe professer. she made a living breaking down complex problems to audiences across the world who some understand and some fundamentally don't. what's organic about the interest that voters seem to have with her specifically, she's doing two things at once. she's saying i will fight donald trump, i'm not afraid of him. and organically her slogan is i have a plan for that. >> she has a stack this high of policies. >> right. democrats want two things, i

need someone to beat him, i don't care who it is, it doesn't matter. but once they get there, i need them to do something once they're in. she's like, once i get there, i have a plan for that as well. >> you can catch elizabeth warren on the town hall here at 8:00 p.m. with my friend and colleague chris hasyes. is congress set to hold the u.s. attorney general in contempt? it would be only the second time that's happened. would be only e that's happened. this time, it's his turn.

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>> the special counsel robert mueller making very clear last week his opposition to appearing before congress to discuss his report but democrats on the hill are insisting they still want to hear from him. when pressed by reporters today, how judiciary committee jerry nadler said he's confident that special counsel mueller will testify. >> where do things stand with mueller and bringing him? >> let's just say that i'm confident he'll come in soon. we want him to testify openly. i think the american people need that. i think frankly it's his duty to the american people and we'll make that happen. >> that's not the only battle nadler is fighting. he's not backing down from holding a vote next week to hold william barr in contempt, the "new york times" reporting, if the vote proceeds, it would be only the second time in american

history that congress has held the nation's top law enforcement official in contempt. joining the conversation chuck rosenberg. we talk about we have to whip through t through the norms. we talk about the accommodations reached when devin nunes and his cohorts on the intel committee wanted to declassify the nation's most sensitive secrets so the justice department could figure that out, but they can't figure out how to get the attorney general to appear before congress and meet their request, really? >> so i imagine they ultimately will, nicole. look, president george washington was sworn in the last day of april of 1789, assuming that was a relatively quiet day, i imagine the contest between the branchs started in may of 1789. we've had it ever since. you're right, it has typically been resolved by accommodation,

because litigating this stuff, the assertion of executive privilege, for instance, doesn't really serve the american people well. it takes a long time. and frankly, litigation outcomes are always uncertain. so i hope that they will accommodate one another and find a way for the attorney general to either testify or provide documents to the congress. if they would just both take a step back and realize that that accommodation is in the best interests of the american people, i think we could resolve it. >> chuck my colleague, rachel maddow, covers this administration from a very sound vantage point she says watch what they do, not what they say. if you watch what barr says not what he does. what he says is to take on a more agrgressive posture with te cia, what he does is have the president's back on the most hard line immigration policies, targeting the most innocent people that come to this

country, asylum seekers, what he does is put his finger on the scale five times before robert mueller delivers his report or opens his mouth. what he does looks like it doesn't comport history. are democrats not correct to be on more of a war footing than they have been in the past with barr? >> i called him a principled institutionalist. >> i know you did. you lulled me into nine minutes of complacency. but i woke up. >> entirely my fault nirks coal. i apologize. i have woken up, too. particularly with mr. barr putting his thumb on the scale with the mueller report, as we discussed, it's hard for the mueller truth to catch up to the barr misleading, from day one

when he issued that four-page summary characterized the mueller report in a way that's just not true. the movie is always easier for people to digest than the book. but i also have a concern. it's this. bob mueller is an extremely measured guy. he makes me seem relatively exciting. if he says he won't go on, beyond the report. if he says the report is his testimony i take him at his word. i worked for the man. he doesn't use lightly or incorrectly. this notion that bob mueller will be able to explain what happened to the american people in a way that they will immediately grasp because he testifies for an afternoon in congress is just wrong. ways to bring this report to life but if bob mueller says he doesn't want to testify, i would hope they would respect that and defer to him and understand the

services already given to this nation and leave him alone. >> we're not going to leave it there. we both understand there is so much riding on this. it can't be just read the report. that is a world in which we do not live. what else can they do? why aren't chris christie and cory lewandowski on capitol hill answering questions today? chris christie was with donald trump on the 14th, the day he asked jim comey to see to it to let flynn go. he got a phone call from the president about firing mueller. coreylew sb lewandowski where a they? >> congress has gone down a couple of rabbit holes. one rabbit hole is the notion they have to have the unredacted

report immediately now, yesterday when, in fact, the redacted report has most of anything anyone would need to conduct a hearing. that leads to the second robert hole. the notion that we have to have bob mueller to explain, to elucidate. you point out, there are lots of people who have no claim of privilege, who can explain what happened under oath to the congress and to the american people. and so i am a little mystified that members of congress continue to pursue an unredacted report when there are ways to tell this story and tell it now. >> matt miller, where are people like chris christie? why are they not on the hill yesterday? >> in the judiciary committee they made a bit of a miscalculation. i think they suspected they would have don mcgahn as their star witness in may. they thought he would come up, base

based on what his lawyer was telling them and he deferred to the white house when the white house instructed them not to come. you're seeing them try to do a reset. he'll have this hearing monday with john dean, former prosecutors who come up and testify. they don't have any hearings yet with the key witnesses from the report. lewandowski and chris christie are two of them. there's no reason they can't come up and testify. i would do that while i litigate the other pieces you need to do, go to court to litigate to get the underlying materials but more importantly to get don mcgahn's testimony, his chief of staff's testimony. that's going to take some time. >> is a hand wringing in the democratic party that i would argue for better or worse, urinely for worse, that you don't have on the right. the right is willing to impeach republican rod rosenstein. do you think the moment is sitting on a knife's edge? where is this moment in terms of

holding donald trump accountable for conduct that the southern district of new york made clear, the cohen sentencing memo, all the conduct resealed in the mueller report. >> democrats look like they're giving donald trump yet another pass, just like he doesn't have to talk to mueller's team and his lawyers get a take-home exam by hem hawing around this like this. you're right, when republicans are ruthless, they're rewarded. benghazi, fast and furious. they go for it. >> not defending it. >> yes. >> i'm just saying the politics. christina? >> we've seen republicans on offensive for eight years against barack obama. when democrats have substantive claims against a president they're like, well, let's follow the rules and the norms of the law. no one is playing by those rules. not the executive and also not the republican party. so that's part of the problem. their colleagues could and should support them in these

endeavors say we all work for the president now as well. so the moment that democrats are waiting for no longer exists. >> really quick. >> there's a practical problem. they're having trouble compelling witnesses. they have to go beyond the factual basis and do the analysis of whether or not what donald trump did. whether the legal issues, thresholds are met and if necessary move to an impeachment vote. >> chuck rosenberg, thank you. i'm do a shameless plug of you and sadly for everybody of me. listen to chuck's podcast "the oath." i was lucky enough to get to spend an hour with chuck. you're like the second coming of oprah. keep doing it. >> thank you. doing it. >> thank you small things. big things. too hard to do alone things. day after day, you need to get it all done.

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