boys' room after the show to do just that. i apologize if anyone was offended by our language. >> me, too. >> "mtp daily" with steve kornacki in for chuck starts right now. > if it's friday, joe biden's about-face on abortion has his campaign facing a lot of tough questions. we've got the campaign right here in just a moment for some answers. plus, president trump rips speaker pelosi after she says she wants to see him in prison. you're going to want to hear what he said and also where he said it. and the president attacks democrats on immigration and made a rift in his own caucus over those mexican tariffs. julio castro, who is running in 2020, is here to respond.

if it's friday, it's "meet the press daily." greetings. i'm steve kornacki in for chuck todd. we begin with the 2020 campaign so far with the democratic frontrunner, former vice president joe biden. this as he scrambles to explain his sudden shift to the left on abortion, in a campaign which seemed to be owning the center. we have a lot to talk about with her. biden was hit by a lot of attacks in the 2020 field following cnbc's reporting on wednesday. amid those attacks, he then reversed course last night. >> for many years as u.s. senator, i've supported the hyde amendment, like many, many others have. because there was sufficient moneys and circumstances where women were able to exercise that

right, women of color, poor women, women who are not able to have access, and it was not under attack as it was then, as it is now. but circumstances have changed. i can't justify leaving millions of women without access to the care they need and the ability to exercise their constitutionally protected right. if i believe health care is a right as i do, i can no longer support an amendment that makes that right dependent upon someone's zip code. >> biden has supported the hyde amendment for decades, which gives a sense of how big a decision this represents for him. his campaign said this was not a political move, but the timing certainly make you wonder. the campaign today struggled to answer questions on this topic. but this isn't the only story they're dealing with. as reporting on biden's stoposin on funding was breaking, the

"washington post" reported on similar issues with his education plan. remember it was plagiarism issues that did in joe biden's campaign in 1994. with me is campaign director for the biden campaign. thank you for taking a few minutes. i'll start with the obvious one. 48 hours ago we were talking about how your campaign, had told nbc news that joe biden still supported the hyde amendment. this looked like he was taking a stand there that was at odds with the rest of the democratic field. the rest of the democratic field then opened fire on him, and about 24 hours later, his position is now different than it's been his entire career. is this not a political move? >> no, look, this is about health care, this is not about politics. you heard that from the vice president last night. he talked about the fact that we are -- choice in this country is

under unprecedented assault. you have republican-led state legislatures in alabama and louisiana are encroaching on women's rights that we haven't seen in decades. as the vice president is thinking about his health care plan and how to make sure that the most people have access to health care, he really was struggling with how to do this in a way that did not prevent, you know, women of color, poor women from having access to the health care that they need. this was a tough personal decision for him. you know, it's something he has spoken candidly throughout his life about his struggle on this issue. it's an issue of faith for him. he's a devout catholic. this was a tough decision for him. but he decided that in this moment of crisis that he could no longer support any avenue that would prevent women from having access to health care. >> i have to ask you this, though. he has said for a long time it

predates this campaign, it predates his vice presidency. he said for years, as long as i've been following him, that he believes health care is a right. since 1973, since the roe v. wade ruling in 1973, abortion has been the law of the land. so this issue has been there since the hyde amendment in the 1970s where abortion is the law of the land. biden has been saying health care is a right, and he's been saying for 40 years, yes, health care is a right, yes, abortion is the law of the land, and yes, people have a right not to have their taxpayer dollars go to it. what has changed in the last couple days to reverse that 40-year position. >> what has changed isn't the last couple of days, it's what we've seen in the last couple of years since president trump came into office. you had a president who said on the campaign trail that women should be punished for having abortions. and you're seeing republican-led state legislatures across the country and governors across the country taking unprecedented step to curb access to health

care for women. we are in a true crisis on choice. that's something that he struggled with, thought about, and felt like he could no longer support any mechanism that would preve prevent, particularly disproportionately impacts women of color, women of poverty. given the crisis that we are seeing, he felt like he could no longer support that. >> i have to play this, though. this was wednesday night. we're talking less than 48 hours ago, your campaign vice chair was on national television, a competitor of ours, was on national television and was asked about this question and praised biden's consistency on the hyde amendment and said it was an expression of deeply held -- let me play this -- deeply held religious beliefs. >> i think the vice president has been very consistent over his career in the senate since '76 when the hyde amendment became law, that he is a deeply religious man. i think everyone knows that and

he's guided by his faith. and his position on the hyde amendment has been consistent. >> we're talking less than 48 hours ago your campaign vice chairman was saying that. >> and he is guided by his faith, and he's somebody who listens to people, hears their concerns as he looked at the current situation. he felt that he could no longer support something that was cutting off access to health care for a section of women in this country. >> can i just -- let me ask it this way, then. because i think this gets to the crux of it. was it okay to cut off health care -- to accept your phraseology there, was it okay to cut off health care to women two years ago, five years ago, ten years ago, 20 years ago, 35 years ago? >> we are under an unprecedented assault on roe, and he believes we need to use every tool available to us. this is a different climate, it

is. it's a different climate and different threats. we're looking at a supreme court that is more hostile to roe, and again we're looking at state legislatures and governors across the country who are making really aggressive moves to try to limit a woman's access to abortion. and so that, you know, for him was something where he felt he could no longer support closing off that avenue. and i think -- you know, if you look at the totality of his career, democrats have been successful once in the last 50 years in keeping a republican supreme court nominee off the court, and that was robert borg. and the person who led that fight on the judiciary committee was joe biden. he's someone who has fought for a woman's right to choose throughout his career, and as he looked at the unprecedented crisis that we're in right now, he felt that he could no longer support closing off any avenue. >> again, this is beyond a position change, though. this feels like there is a

change of principal here. this is what i mean. this is a letter joe biden wrote when he was a u.s. senator to a constituent. he's talked about the issue this way for decades. i heard him. he said on this question of funding abortions, those of us who are opposed to abortions should not be compelled to pay for them. the government should not tell those with strong convictions against abortion, such as you and i, that we must pay for them. i'm trying to understand the connection. you say the right to choose is under attack. you're right, it's been decades now joe biden has been out there saying, i support the right to choose, i support roe, that is a principle of mine. but he's also been saying simultaneously for decades that he wants to balance that principle with a second principle. and that's a principle he says he believes. he says millions of other americans believe life begins at conception. he says it in this letter wi, b that deeply held view should not be compelled to have their money

go to abortion. why that sacrifice right now? >> you've asked that question a hundred ways but i give you the same answer. it's what joe biden said last night. we're seeing pro-choice in a way we haven't previously. he believes we need to use every tool we have, and that means making certain that federal funding is available so that, you know, women who are -- who might otherwise not have access to this health care habit. i don't see any inconsistency there at all. this is a personal decision for him, it's something, as he has said throughout his career, that he's been very candid about his struggles on this issue, his personal struggle on it, but he's always consistently been somebody who has protected a woman's right to choose. he certainly will be if he's elected president of the united states, and that's what i think

is important here. >> does he now support a litmus test for a supreme court justice on the issue of abortion? will he ask a potential supreme court justice how they rule on roe? does he now support it in an unprecedented crisis? >> i'm not getting ahead of the vice president. i think he's been very clear about how -- >> is he not ruling it out anymore? >> i'm not going to get ahead of the vice president on it, steve, but i appreciate the question. thank you. >> how about his votes five times in the 1990s, including two to override a democratic president, to ban partial birth abortion. does he stand by those votes or does he now regret them? >> again, if you look at vice president biden's career on choice, if you want to talk about the supreme court, vice president biden is the person who helped keep robert bork off the streets. >> i'm talking about his stand in the 1990s. he used to draw that line. does he still draw it? >> i'm not going to get out ahead of him on any of this. i can tell you he's been an

adamant protector of a woman's right to choose, and he will be as president of the united states. >> you don't want to affirm banning support for abortion. that's been his position in the past? >> again, you've asked the question a hundred different ways. i'm telling you i think his record on this is strong, and i think if you put him -- certainly if you put him up against the administration that's currently in the white house that is working to cut off access to both abortion and health care for people all across the country, then that's a fight we would certainly welcome. >> what i'm getting at is he's drawn lines in the past. he says he supports roe and he's been consistent in that since at least the mid-1980s, his support of roe. but he's drawn lines. and you're justifying this change in position on hyde saying there is this unprecedented crisis when it comes to roe. so i'm asking, are those lines still operable? are there any limits that joe biden would support on when a woman could get an abortion?

>> again, i think his record on this is clear. you can ask the question a hundred times, i'm telling you what the vice president said last night, and i think, again, his record on this issue is clearer. i think he has been a staunch defender of a woman's right to choose even at times when it sometimes comes at personal cost to him, and there have been times when bishops in the catholic church have said he shouldn't be able to take communion because he's affirmed his support for women's right to choose. it's an issue he's been very public about it being very personal for him, but he's always been on the side of women and he will be when he's president of the united states. >> the question i would ask is, is there any limit he would support? third trimester abortion. would he support a restriction on that? >> steve, i don't know how else to answer the question. he is a supporter of a woman's right to choose. i'm not going to get out ahead of him on any of these sort of specific questions, but he is a supporter of a woman's right to

choose. >> kate beddingfield from the biden campaign. thank you. >> thanks. joe biden may be vulnerable but now he's getting pressure from the right and the left. plus, it seems like nancy pelosi's decision to send him to prison might have riled him up. >> i think she's a disgrace. i don't think she's a talented person. i would like to be nice to her because i would have liked to get some deals done. she's incapable of doing deals. she's a nasty, vindictive, horrible person. my time is thin, but so is my lawn. now there's scotts thick'r lawn 3-in-1 solution.

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and social editor at "commentary" magazine. i want to talk about what we just heard from the biden campaign and how they're handling this. heidi, i guess the thing that struck me, listening to his campaign explain it, in my head throughout that interview i'm thinking of all these different moments from joe biden's career which in the senate dates back to the early 1970s and all the different iterations of the abortion debate that he's been through in his career. this is not a criticism of him, but his views have certainly changed through the years. this is a guy who, on the judiciary committee in 1992, voted for an amendment from orren hatch who would allow states to ban abortion. he's changed his issue on that, but this is perhaps one of the perils that comes from having a long career in the senate and then running for president. >> and that's the thrust of the story was looking at how conservative joe biden was. he was more conservative than you thought on abortion, and we

had a lot of correspondence, including with the catholic diocese, where he said he was actually encouraging pro-life groups to push back the frontiers of when abortion should be available. so you flash-forward now -- people do evolve, people do change. however, here's the thing. in my correspondence with him when i first came to them and asked them what his position today is on hyde was in response to the rnc attacking him for flip-flopping. it seemed like he didn't know what his position was when he was approached by an aclu supporter. the rnc was saying, he's fli flip-flopped, he's flip-flopped. i called him and said, i don't know that that's the case, please get back to me. it was over a week and a half. when they got back to me, i said, he stands by hyde. in terms of what happened after that point, within that 24 to 48 hours, i do not have a definitive answer on that. it is possible that the women in his campaign did get to him and say -- because here's the thing. what they said to me, steve, was

he still supports it but if he sees that access is threatened by what's happening now at the state level, then he could change his mind. so it's possible within that 24 to 48 hours, the women on his campaign, as the aides said, hey, buddy, actually, you know what? we're there. access is threatening. >> when you got the statement from limb on wednesday that affirmed his support for the hyde amendment, we played that segment. his vice chair goes on national tv and praises him as a model of consistency on this issue. there was reporting from "the atlantic" of how this went down. one of his senior advisers confronted him. she told biden he was missing how his position disaffected poor women. that was the thrust of his statement, maya. >> because you literally have black women dying to have

children. literally three or four more times likely to die from pregnancy-related conditions. to heidi's point about there was plenty of time to chew this over, if you think about the heartbeat bill from ohio which was signed in april, that was a 7-year process. i mean, it's not as if some of the challenges we've seen in states were just suddenly erupted and appeared. there's really been a long, steady march. what about the fact that president trump, when he was elected, made it very clear he was going to design a federal bench that was going to go after roe v. wade and that that was a litmus test for him. it's not as if this was a secret and it's not as if it was recent. so i do think that it also could be the cnn poll that showed that we are at the height of women voters saying that this is a critical issue for them in election, three out of ten independent women and women of color in particular, so key constituencies for the

candidates saying this is serious. >> so that's the question of intensity, then. there is the question of what people overall think of abortion and then there is the question of who is most motivated on the issue. of the motivation question, we can put a poll up, a harvard political poll on the question of medicaid funding for abortion, and two things jump out at you there. overall, 55 democratic voters. the democrats were chasing sort of the liberal wing of the party. biden, until yesterday, had been articulating a position, whatever you think of it, a position that was in line of where a lot of americans are. >> and tells you a little bit about where the idealogy fulcrum of the democratic party lives.

i would be willing to guess that a 20-point gap has not been closed in the interim. if you're under $25,000 a year, you're statistically a lot less likely to favor the use of medicaid funds for funding abortion. a little bit more if you're over 75,000. this is more for the wealthy part of america than the poorer. jobs, a federal job guarantee, medicare for all, federal basic income, all that stuff was a bridge too far for joe biden, but federal funding for abortion is where this really moved for him. it tells you where the democratic party is today. >> it's possible they hadn't thought through every single aspect of the political calculus on this before they got back to me and started looking at these polls and realized we are in this moment where the balance of passions over the issue of abortion, which has traditionally been on the

conservative side, anti-abortion, march for life every year comes to washington. we haven't seen that as much on the left because women haven't felt as if roe is really threatened. that is a different paradigm today. i'm telling you, i covered the women's march and i talked to a lot of moderate republican women who didn't get it, who didn't understand why the women were out there. what's being taken away from you, i don't get it. today that's different. that's a different calculus. they're seeing what's happening in alabama, they're seeing what's happened in missouri with only one clinic left, they're seeing what's happening in texas with the number of planned parent pood clinics going down and the number of women who are dying, minority women, pregnant women dying in childbirth going up. by the way, the number of second trimester abortions going up, too, which is just a source of lack of access. it comes down to access. >> that was my next question, and that's what i was trying to

get at in my interview, maya, if the justification of changing this principle is we are in a moment of crisis for roe, and therefore, this principle i've articulated for four decades is out the window, does that obligate him to change other positions and take other positions he's been unwilling to take before? i was pressing on those bans for pregnant women. george w. bush got it through in 2003. biden was with him. i was asking, are you drid read denounce that? does he have to go farther than this? >> i think this will be a challenge to him. i think to the flip-flop narrative that it's going to be inconsistent, particularly when you're talking about health care and access to not consider the health ramifications of what some of these procedures are and also who the providers are. when the obama administration

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welcome back. as we said, president trump just got back in the white house from what you might call an eventful travel abroad. it aired on a fox interview last night by the president just before he was about to air at the 75th anniversary of d-day when asked about nancy pelosi and her comment about wanting him in prison. >> she's a vin dictionary active pers -- vindictive person. it's the most disgusting thing what she's allowed to happen to her district with needles and drug addicts. if i made a statement about anybody, it would be like, why did he do that when he was overseas. she is a terrible person, and

i'll tell you, her name is nervous nancy because she's a nervous wreck. >> the president doubled down on those attacks today aboard air force i as he was returning home. my panel are all back with me. noah, you can't look at that shot and not ask about the setting for the president. i understand he always communicates this way. he's been doing it since he got in the race in 2017 and said john mccain wasn't a hero. that set the tone right there for what you can expect. but on the 75th anniversary of d-day among the graves of the fallen, is it jarring at all even with this president to see? >> it's jarring. there are events during this plt -- presidency when you think, man, has politics changed forever? no, i don't suspect in the future we'll be having an argument between the speaker of the house and the president, one

saying he should go to jail. it is jarring to see the president drop his presidential persona while abroad during such a somber occasion to attack his political opponents at home. that's the way this man operates. i don't suspect that's the future of politics, particularly because no one can do it like he does it, no one will think they can get away with it like he can, but nevertheless, it's an upsetting setting. >> the political background for this, heidi, is nancy pelosi has this decision to make. it seems she does not want to go forward with impeachment. every day it seems you're getting a few more voices on the democratic side, saying they ought to go forward with this. what do you make with that being the backdrop, that public squabbling between them? >> this is what pelosi said in a meeting, which was basically defending herself to people in the office who want to start an

impeachment process. she said, i don't want to see him impeached, i want to see him in jail and it blew up. we've got 61 people now, the number is up, of who actually publicly came out for an impeachment inquiry. i'm told it is even higher. there are people who don't want to come out, who don't want to be crosswise to her and may be thinking there's no reason now for what may be a failed attempt. however, she's in a position now to try to bring her conference along. i don't think she's anti-impeachment, i think she's anti-impeachment now. she can't do that without those hearings. the entire plan of the democrats, which was to have the mueller report come out and to have mueller and/or also the key witnesses in the report testify and illustrate the specific examples of obstruction and just how russia penetrated our democracy has been completely

foiled at this point. you had the barr representation of a report, now mueller is fighting with him, they can't get the key witnesses. so she can't get those numbers notched up to where she feels comfortable launching a formal impeachment inquiry, because number one, she doesn't have the votes, and number two, the american public cannot decipher between opening up an impeachment inquiry and an actual impeachment vote. two different things. >> there is the argument that once you open one, it becomes unstoppable. i wonder, maya, when the president attacks her as aggressively as he did here, among the democrats, is there a rally around pelosi effect there? and if she's trying to keep them from going in the impeachment direction, does that increase her ability to sort of say, trust me on this, get behind me on this? >> hopefully we would have a discussion on how trump women think he's nasty.

there was a long list of nasty women, and you remember where women reclaimed it and started calling themselves nasty. i think it is a problem for trump in the sense that it keeps reinforcing that he's going to go too far in a setting, in a solemn setting where it's completely inappropriate. but i do think that helps nancy accept that there are the votes probably for impeachment. there is a distinction between democrats in the house that will publicly say they're for it versus the mass of democrats who would vote articles of impeachment if it was voted. >> how about the democrats in the swing districts, the democrats that would be at risk of losing their seats, would you be putting them in an untenable position. >> i think that's her concern. is it principle or politics? the principle is clear. robert mueller helped gin up some of the numbers of the polling by just stating it plainly because some people

hadn't even read the report. there was a catch-22 of politics of holding onto the house versus the principal of the constitutional record around what congress' job is if there's evidence of abuse of power and possible crime by the president. >> but then spending the next couple months talking about the constitutional order and not the democratic agenda. let's be honest, if impeachment is going to happen, it's going to happen now. if it doesn't happen before the august recess, it doesn't happen. then we're talking about the debt ceiling, we're talking about funding the government and we move on20920 style. they want the democratic nominee to make this case and then we'll be talking about impeachment. that's something that only fires once. if it gets fired for donald trump's first term, you don't have it for his second. >> i agree on the time frame and i think democrats have to decide and act, and acting, i think, means getting the story out to

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-i know. i'm supposed to be in ceramics. do you know -- -room 303. -oh. thank you. -yeah. -good luck, everybody. . welcome back. no word from president trump on mexican tariffs as he walked into the white house just now. you are looking at those pictures from just a few moments ago. the president has already made up his mind on attacking democrats over the issue of the border from air force i coming back from europe this afternoon, he sent out this tweet, quote, democrats are incapable of doing a good and solid immigration bill. joining me now is former hud secretary and 2020 presidential candidate julian castro. thank you for joining me, sir. let me start with the issue at the border. two years ago, may of '17, there were apprehensions along the

southern border with mexico. in may of 2019, the month just completed, the month we have stats for now, that number was 144,000. that number has been rising, it's been surging, it's been spiking. it doesn't seem to be slowing down. is that number a crisis? >> well, what it shows is that this president has been a total disaster when it comes to the issue of immigration. because he told us just a year ago that if we would be cruel enough as americans to separate little children from their mothers that that would deter more families from coming to the united states, and instead, as you pointed out, the opposite is true. so in every way, we're worse off now than when he took office. 140,000-something people coming in last month from the border. we really have to work at the root cause of this challenge.

i have called in my immigration plan of a 2400 martial plan for honduras, el salvador and guatemala so people can find safety and opportunity there instead of having to come to the united states. i think in the long run that that's the only way that we're actually going to reduce those numbers significantly. in the meantime, i believe that we need to improve our immigration court system so that people are not waiting in limbo for months and months but they're able to get an adjudication, they're able to find out if they get asylum or not. we need to stop playing games with people at the border, and also, if they are in the custody of the united states, we actually need to do the job of ensuring that they're safe. over the last several months, more than half a dozen people have died in u.s. custody, including several children. that hadn't happened in ten years before it started happening late last year. so there is no excuse for this kind of failure. it's shown that this administration does not know

what it's doing, and i hope that people would check out my immigration plan, because it represents a completely different way that we should do this. >> so you're outlining, it sounds to me there, that you're outlining a processing. you're talking about how to process the folks who are showing up at the border, trying to improve streamlined things on that end. is there a role for deterrence or should the u.s. be prepared to be dealing with a surge of this magnitude just of people coming here? >> i think we have to work with those countries. with those countries of el salvador, guatemala, honduras so people can stay in their home country instead of coming here. so there is a role that has to play. what i don't believe is we should engage in cruelty. we've seen the cruelty this administration has engaged in is not paying off. more people are coming than when they start it. >> you say a marshal plan for

these countries. that is a long term. a significant investment. is there anything between rebuilding and remaking these countries, and the processing that you're describing, the united states can do on the deterrence front? is there something the united states should be doing? the administration has been talking about changing the way asylum is handled so that folks, the asylum claims would be handled by the first country you step foot in outside of your own. that's where the administration is right now. is there a deterrence plan other than what you're calling a martial plan? i believe we should work with mexico to ensure that mexico is doing everything that it can on its end. i agree with that. what i don't agree with is the erratic approach this president has taken of essentially saying, well, i'm going to raise tariffs out of nowhere that would basically hurt americans. we need to work with mexico,

with these countries that people are coming from to ensure that less people feel compelled to come to the united states. i don't think we should do it the way the president has done it. looking at joe biden and the position he's held for decades, the hyde amendment which restricted those funds, now he says he wants to get rid of as a hyde amendment. you have to any issues with the vice president's position, where it is now? are you satisfied? do you believe it a sincere conversion on his part? >> well, to me, the issue here is not what one particular candidate says or doesn't say on this issue. i think every candidate will have to answer for their position on the issue. i believe that it is important

that we stand up for a woman's right to get an abortion. and i have said very clearly i believe we need to do away with the hyde amendment. it is time for all of us who are running to make our position clear. i've done that. i've also said i'll appoint people to my administration who hold progressive values including believing in the right to choose. i'll focus on my vision for the future. right now, not get caught up. they can speak for themselves. >> on roe v. wade, do you want to ask a justice, would you uphold roe? >> if i'm elected president, i absolutely will ensure that the people who are appointed to the court are people who believe in a woman's right to choose. who understand the importance of

reproductive health care for women all over the united states. so yes, that is something that the district, the appellate, and the supreme court level, that i would make sure those judges understand. >> do you see any place, any moment, i should say, from conception to birth, when there should be a cut-off? when abortion should not be allowed? there have been proposals as early as six weeks. we've talked about it in alabama. they call at this time heartbeat bills. you've had 20-week proposals, 24-week proposals, around the point of viability. is there any point you believe it is too late to allow abortion? >> well, what i believe is that a woman in consultation with her doctor is the best person to make that choice. and i don't think that these laws that have been passed in alabama or missouri or other places that set it at six weeks,

i don't believe that is the right way to go. i think that is a mistake. it is unconstitutional. my hope is it will be stopped in the courts. >> six weeks though, you start talking about this new law passed in new york a couple months ago. that created conditions very specific conditions, although some critics say not specific enough. where after 24 weeks should be restricted. do you think there should be any imposition by the government in terms of saying no, that's too late. >> i think that's the wrong way to look at it. because the evidence over many years shows that to the extent that an abortion is performed after 20 or 24 weeks, those are very, very limited circumstances. and necessary for the life of the mother or for other reasons. and so women are already making this choice. and i believe that they are the best ones to choose that.

i don't believe that we should set those limits. i believe these states like alabama and missouri and others have made a great mistake. an unconstitutional mistake. my hope is that it would get overturned. i know where the question comes from. i think that's the wrong way to look at it. >> all right. who willian castro. thank you for taking the time. and a quick note. don't miss chris matthews' interview with seth moulton. 7:00 eastern. i'm just a normal person

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s and that all for tonight. we'll be back monday with more "meet the press daily." "the beat" starts right now with ari. >> good evening. it's friday night. we have some special stuff. at the center of the russia probe, on "the beat" for the very first time and then the news fox news might not want you to see. an anchor fact checked in real-time. and i'll be joined by "new york times" columnist nick, along with naturally, rock 'n' roll hall of famer, george clinton, leader of parliament funkadelic. we begin with what is meant by a new phase in oversight. there will be a public hearing next week. the powerful oversight committee chair announcing a