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taped yesterday in an american cemetery in france in front of the graves of fallen american world war ii hero, he unleashed a poison bag of venom. >> i think she is a disgrace. i don't think she is a talented person. i tried to be nice to her because i would like to have gotten deals done. she is incapable of doing deals. she is a nasty, vindictive horrible person. >> when you were overseas. >> while i'm overseas. if i made a mean statement, why would he do that while he was overs overseas. she is a terrible person. her name is nervous nancy because she's a nervous wreck. >> today he tweeted from air force one, nervous nancy pelosi is a disgrace to herself and her family. for having made such a disgusting statement since i was with foreign leaders overseas. there is no evidence for such a thing to have been said.
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anyway, politico was first to report in a closed door meeting, she said i don't want to see him impeached, i want to see him in prison. the president sean hannity laid into the speaker last night. >> even impeaching trump apparently is not enough that speaker pelosi now apparently telling senior democrats she would like to see trump behind bars based on no actual crime. she wants a political opponent locked up in prison? that happens in banana republics. beyond despicable behavior. they would turn in many ways the usa into a country we no longer recognize. >> wow! how they speak with such innocence. lock her up. lock her up. that's all we heard. that's quite a defense for the president who made chants of lock her up a centerpiece of his rallies and still does.
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this basement in a war of words between the president and the speaker caps off a road show where the president oscillated between decorum and settling scores. he spoke at the commemoration of the anniversary of d-day after taping the interview where he called speaker pelosi a disaster. speaker pelosi declined to comment on the latest insults. joined by the senator from california, barbara boxer. white house reporter for the associated press and eugene scott, political reporter for "the washington post." i have to go to jonathan first. what did it smell like, this weird five days. >> we just landed on air force one at andrews. it was a strange mix for the president. in public settings, he hit the right notes. he heard his speech yesterday at normandy, a very moving event. the 75th anniversary of the invation. the veterans that they will
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probably see. he did the same in a commemoration the day before and certainly full of praise for the queen and other members of the british royal family and ruling party at a few events prior to that as part of that visit. there was a juxtaposition. there was private trump we got from attacks on charles schumer to nancy pelosi to bette midler and the trump we heard in interviews. >> psycho. bette midler at 1:30 in the morning. he gets up at 1:30 in the morning to call her a psycho. >> or still up from the night before. not the ideal image a president is trying to convey. he is trying to represent the country and it's much to his advisers's frustration that should have been a photo op and he kept undermining himself. the capper is he had an interview with piers morgan and
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he gave an interview before he landed where he supported boris johnson and undermined teresa may on her way out the door. for a lot of people, that interview just played. the clip across the american cemetery at normandy. the head stones where he attacked not just pelosi, but robert mueller who himself was a decorated war hero. >> senator boxer, this is new stuff and i don't like it. it's like he had an awful gas exhaust pipe, a pretty car with an awful exhaust pipe. we have exhaust and the fumes from the five days. >> this is a sick person and there is no private trump and public trump with all due respect. it's all trump. when he's on tv with the backdrop and the graves of our most incredible heroes and i was there. i went to normandy with my husband. every single politician has a big ego.
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i certainly did and probably still do, but you are so filled with awe when you are there and you realize the bravery, the incredible heroism and the sacrifices that were made. to sit and look at a right wing reporter and destroy a war hero, robert mueller, who is a wounded warrior in vietnam and has several awards for that and then go after nancy pelosi, a woman who has made history. she raised five children. she is extraordinary. what he did to america, to me it's beyond the pail. beyond the pail. >> you know what we all know that normal political trash talk in politics, you say things that you walk up afterwards and say sorry about that, it was part of the bait. this going after the family, i have never heard a politician
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say you are a disgrace to your family. getting in between you and your children and husband. and then going after a constituency back home in san francisco and it seemed like a penetrating insult. >> the thing is, lost it. he picked the wrong target. anyone who knows nancy pelosi and i served with her in the house before i went over to the united states senate and then we worked closely together knows this is a woman who is super smart. she raised that beautiful family. they are the most important thing to her along with her country and she likes to win. she is going to win this with trump because she will hold back and then she will tell the truth to the american people. by the way, what nancy said about prison was not a public statement. that was a private comment that she made. by the way, about 1,000 former prosecutors said the same thing.
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this was an indictable offense, obstruction of justice. the bottom line is there was trump leading the call, lock her up to hillary clinton. the man always needs an enemy. we can go through the list. they include john mccain and james comey and robert mueller and now nancy pelosi. he will wish he never did this. trust me. >> here he goes. the president slamming her, nancy pelosi from san francisco's congressional district. >> ask nancy, why is her district having drug needles all over the place. it's the most disgusting thing what she allowed to happen with needles and drug addicts and people living in the middle of the streets and the sidewalk. she ought to focus on that. she is a disaster. >> you represented tampa. that struck me as going to a politician when you go after their home. going after the city of san francisco. >> the soul of the man was on
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display in the laura ingram interview and not in his remarks commemorating the anniversary of d-day. that's scripted remarks, playing the actor president, if you will. what we saw on twitter is what jimmy carter said. weak men act with bluster and brashness and other signs of insecurity. this is a fragile president lashing out at the speaker and as you said and the senator said, doing it on one of the most hallowed grounds for american heroes. more shattering of the norms. it's what we expect. we fight not to expect it. the walls have ears and it leaked out. somebody leaked it out. from sean hannity to say how
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dare she do that with that chorus of lock her up with hillary clinton has been resounding. don't they have a sense of self awareness. they say lock her, a woman, up and they are getting excited about saying lock him up? >> it's gaslighting like we haven't seen in a while considering who it came from in the network used to putting forward ideas that we find just outrageous. what is hurtful for the president to respond in a way that isn't going to help him get people who are not on the trump train on the trump train. >> win som? that's a great adjective. >> the fact is the president needs help and need people who don't like him to get on board if he's going to do better in the polls and do better in 2020. attacking someone's family when she made a very valid point based on what this mueller report found is not going to help him at all.
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>> loving something to death. she is trying to keep the far out people who just want to get trump. i dislike him more than you do. i think he belongs in jail. during his fox interview, he commented on the d-day ceremony where thousands of people include being surviving veterans in their 90s had gathered. >> listen to those incredible people back there. these people are so amazing and what they don't realize is that i'm holding them up because of this interview. that's because it's you. by the way, congratulations on your ratings. >> the president said he was holding up the ceremony tow do that interview. here's what laura ingram herself told viewers after the interview aired last night. >> by the way, some of you meaf heard or read that president trump held up the entire d-day ceremony tow do this interview with me. that is patently false. fake news. >> how on earth do we explain
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this to anybody who is new in this country? this is not the way people talk. in a television interview, he said i held up everything so i could do my interview. in the same hour, the host of the show said that was not true. that was fake news having spent 55 minutes saying how great the guest of the show was, the president of the united states. >> both things are true. i was there as part of the press pool. we had a vantage point and could see him do the interview. president trump was late to the ceremony and that delays thinged, but the french president was even later and arrived after president trump. we saw trump greet him and it could only start if they were both there. yes, he gave his interview and people watched him do it, but it couldn't have started until macron arrived. >> he was intentionally being late he was holding it up. >> talking to the white house advisers, he was going to do that for fox.
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>> he harkens back to bill clinton and getting a haircut from kristoff. there he is bragging about holding things up. it's a new rule book. >> he's an absolute narcissist. in many ways, i wish i would be much better if i got my degree in psychology instead of economics. the bottom line is, whether he held it up or not, he was proud that he thought he held it up. it's about me, me, me. that's the point. >> embarrassing the united states with the foreign ally so he could do sort of a friendly interview. >> yeah. he should change his maga first to me first. not america first. me, me, me. i'm it. >> you are no longer a republican. you can get that every couple of minutes. i don't know what to say because i think daniel patrick moynihan
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used to say we are defining deviancy downward. trump gets into this thing and hannity calls it banana republic. it is. it is trump's language. speaker pelosi got caught off mike using trump's language. lock her up. this is the language the new america talks. we talk trash talk at the highest level. >> look, it is and the nation is curious what comes next. can we get back to boring and what used to be normal. to the senator's point, this is different than donald trump and mike flynn chanting lock her up. this was a comment made behind closed doors and undisciplined comment and i think she should explain herself. it's an untenable suggestion to say that donald trump committed a crime and deserves to be in prison. you don't have the constitutional obligation to approach impeachment.
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we have seen nancy pelosi say no and you can't make a comment that he belongs in prison and say no to impeachment inquiry. nancy pelosi would help herself by just very quickly explaining this moment to the american people. it will follow her if she does not do so. >> we will see. the president likes to stand out, but he took it to new heights, signing a d-day proclamation signing his name honoring those who lost their lives while other leaders including emmanuel macron and angela merkel squeezed theirs in at the bottom. i don't know where to go with this. what do you make of this bravado. you sign letters at the bottom. perhaps no one hold him or no one gave him a heads up that this is how things are done.
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this is not someone who is interested in working with the allies to remember our history and create a future that benefits everyone. he is really thinking about trump first. >> trump first. do we agree? >> that image sums up his policy. it's trump first and he puts this nation ahead of any other. there was one mention of the value of alliances, but only one mention in his speech while macron's speech was peppered with calls for the strength of the alliances as we move forward. >> senator, the idea of d-day was the alliance. eisenhower was particular about it and the leader and the head of basically nato at the time. to keep the british and the french happy and they can work into have the victory. they have the german people who are part of the alliance and lost the war.
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he goes out there as a guy who is trashing nato and said he liked the military bond of our countries, but not the political bond, it seems. you speaking to me? i'm so sorry. yes, you said it all. anyone who has read any little bit of history and for me, i lived through it, knows that the miracle of the alliance, the miracle of stopping nazi germany and building a united europe and a free europe, he sides with the tyrants. he is dangerous. maybe it should say on his hat trump first and another set that says russia first or kim jong un first. it's shocking and it's not even about norms. it's about someone who doesn't get it, who doesn't understand what it takes to keep us safe and keep the world free from
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tyrants. there are so many levels here and every day we wake up and we are worried before we turn on the radio or the tv, what happened next. >> one of the classiest things was the arrival of angela merkel. there are a lot of germans there and i think it was a wonderful statement of unity and health. germany is so new and different. former senator barbara boxer. on the trip as you write notes on this baby. president trump is back in washington where his administration will be subject to a series of congressional hearings next week and no move on impeachment in sight. are democrats having any success in holding the white house accountable. the new effort to go for the new wave of going after trump. the european vacation. wasn't it wonderful. his grown children promoting their businesses. is this the new normal, using
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cover ups. that's not the only challenge. house democrats introduce the judiciary committee to initiative proceedings that compel both barr and don mcgahn to cooperate. the resolution includes language that allow committees to sue the trump administration and witnesses who did not comply with subpoenas. a full house vote is for tuesday. i'm joined by the democrat from rhode island and the judiciary committee. congressman, thank you for coming on this friday night. let's get to the bone of this thing. does congress have the power to force compliance with its subpoenas for documents and personal testimony. do you have the power to actually make it happen? here we are in june and nothing happened for six months. >> congress absolutely has the
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power. there is a process we have to file and we will hold them in contempt that authorizes the civil action brought in court and the court will order them to comply with the subpoena and when they don't, if they don't, the court will enforce it by taking them into custody and imposing fines and taking other action. this is civil contempt. >> i want to stop you there. what would happen if they are people who don't pay traffic tickets. what happens if they say we don't care if you hold us in contempt. we are not coming anyway. >> they have the entire power of the court, they are defying a court order. not only a subpoena, but the order of the court to comply with the subpoena and face the sanctions of that. being taken into custody and fines. >> the justice department of william barr has to enforce the corn tempt sig corn -- contempt citations.
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>> witnesses are not going to defy a court order. that's another crisis if that happens. these witnesses will be directed by the court and i expect they will gr to comply. if the court has all those tools at its disposal. the bottom line is congress has the right to this color f. we allow the executive branch to decide to defy subpoenas, they would extinguish congressional oversight. they don't have the authority to do that. >> i agree, but i haven't seen one witness being compelled to testify and not one document that was forced to be brought in and nobody cited with contempt. no one is going to jail. nobody has been arrested. they are laughing at the house. >> they are laughing at the house. that's exactly what they are doing. they had some success in the deutsch bank case when they won when they went to court, but that has to be appealed. they have to get the hr 430 that
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gives them the authority to go straight to court and not have to deal with the justice department. they need to get it done. not only for mcgahn and barr, but also for the commerce secretary and barr when it comes to the census issue. in addition, instead of having big global lawsuits, they need to do little chunks. this witness was subpoenaed and she must appear. in hope hicks. not make it too complicated. when the lawsuits are too complicated, there are factual issues and the case takes too long. hope hicks and chris kobaches must testify. this executive privilege has to be overturned. all the little things have to be done in guerilla lawsuits and they need to start now. otherwise the house has no power. they will never be an equal branch of government if they don't stop writing letters and arguing about what they are call and start filing lawsuits in
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federal court. >> in a letter today, democrats reveal they conducted an interview with chris kobach, former secretary of state and immigration hard liner with the trump administration's effort to add the citizenship question. the letter states that the white house was instructed to not answer the question because it falls squarely in the scope of executive privilege. kobach is a private citizen who never worked for the trump administration. congressman, is seems like they are willing to use privilege to cover any way they like and any secret they want to keep. >> this is an ongoing effort of the president of the united states to engage in a cover up to prevent the american people from seeing the truth. there is no claim of bridge that they would recognize. they know that. this is a pattern of this president to prevent congress
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from getting to the truth and behaving like he is above the law, which he is not. the time has come to open impeachment inquiry to raise the level of the roding to strengthen our hand and our work on the courts and also because the president continued to engage in behavior that in and of itself is opening impeachment. we will have to litigate and fight them at every level. we are committed to that and no one in the country including the president of the united states is above the law and we will get to the truth and follow facts where they take us and the american people have a right to know. >> we have a calendar and i have done this with a number of people in the house of representatives. it's june. it's come fast and the democrats have won a sweeping election. i have been promising this. when you have the power of the subpoena, all the rules changed. nixon regreeted he couldn't carry the house in 72 when he got reelected by a landslide. this is not as strong as i
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thought it was. is it as strong as you thought? it's not working yet. >> remember, chris, it is very strong. these are lawfully issued subpoenas that you are required to comply with. we're still a country despite the president's best efforts to has a rule of law and a system that we have to follow to get the subpoenas enforced. we never had a president before who so flagrantly disregarded these set of protocols and practices and norms and we have to stop walking around startled and get to work which we are to have our first hearing and our subpoena vote. we have to stop hoping the president is going to behave if he will honor the rule of law and recognize the norms and be in a position in every moment in a guerilla-like way. while we are doing this, we passed 250 pieces of legislation that focus on the important issues like health care,
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reducing prescription drugs and equal pay for equal work and background checks and addressing the important priorities of the american people. we have to do both. >> i agree, but you are not doing the other one which is getting to trump. are you going to be impressed when john dean testifies? he is being called as a witness. >> i love him, he is one of the kindest nicest men in the world and i think it's ridiculous, but we have to stop having this back and forth letters. you said you were going to do this and quit negotiating. stop negotiating and go to court. that's what needs to happen. the chris kobach case is a lesson in point for anyone who wonders what we should be doing. he did not work in the executive branch. there is no executive privilege. the white house is asserting privilege and it is wrong and they have to go to court and get it overturned. not tomorrow or after 17 letters or after we talked about the shape of the table.
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it's wrong. it's improper and they need to go to court right away. >> thank you so much. >> what you are going to see on monday is you are going to begin to hear the story of the president directing don mcgahn to fire the special counsel and lie about it and the firing of director comey to stop the investigation. that story will begin to unfold in front of the american people. >> david, congressman, i will make you a gentleman's bet. there is not going to be impeachment. let me know. it's not going to happen. david cicilline of rhode island. up next, congressman will join us about the abandonment over the hyde amendment and a lot more. seth is running for president. "hardball" is back after this. p. "hdbarall" is back after this. al about insurance and i know you're thinking. i don't want to hear about insurance. 'cause let's be honest... nobody likes dealing with insurance. right?
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welcome back to "hardball." nancy pelosi holds to the position that impeachment without a clear cut consensus could prove disastrous to the democratic party. stand chg firm, her rhetoric on misconduct has changed overtime. pelosi's language shifted since special counsel robert mueller released his report. at times channelling the left's anger to accuse trump of crimes
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worthy of impeachment and others urging her most hot blooded colleagues to slow down and wait for more facts. i am joined by democratic candidate seth moulton. your view of pelosi and her obstruction to impeachment. >> i disagree with her and she has done a fantastic job to the meeting at the white house and deserves a lot of credit for that. she made a case for why it's not the right time or whatever to do impeachment. how about doing the right thing by the constitution. the constitution is clear here. all you need to do is read the executive summary of the mueller report to understand that the ball is in our court.
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>> what more do you need to know? what do you need to know? >> congress does two things. we debate and vote on them. we should be debating that first. the republicans just voted for tax cuts without having debate and voted without having debate. i am not advocating for that and we don't have all the facts. >> what are do you need to know? what do you need? >> we are having this debate. we should be having this debate in congress. that's our job. the discussion is whether or not we have this debate. i voted over a year ago to have this debate before congress and the american people to play out the case and people can understand. >> let me ask you this. you know they fired the fbi director.
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that precedent, what more would you like to know about the president that he tried to remove the prosecution against him? >>. >> we have a lot we have to figure out. the most important conclusion of the mueller report is the fact that russia interfered with our election to try to get trump elected. i don't care whether you are the biggest trump fan or hater, every american should want to know why the greatest enemy of the united states for the last 75 years wants this guy elected president. mueller made that very clear that that's even a more important conclusion than obstruction of justice. we are not going to find out if we don't have the debate in congress. not just from a legal perspective and not just from a constitutional perspective of keeping the checks and balances in our government, but also from a national security perspective to understand what the heck went on in this last election and why
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putin is so in favor of trump being president of the united states. >> yes or no, do you think the house will impeach trump? >> we will get there. >> you do? what year? >> nancy pelosi is in a tough position. i can't tell you. >> what year, sir. what year will this happen? what year will they impeach. when they do it? >> we are not taking bets at a bar here, chris. i don't know exactly. i can tell you that a lot of these are changing their opinions. >> i don't agree. i think you are never going to impeach. a lot of this is smoke. joe biden said he no longer supports the hyde amendment that bans the use of federal money for abortions. that's a reversal of what he said on wednesday where he supports the ban. >> i can't justify leaving women without access to the care they
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need. if i believe health care is a right as i do, i can no longer support an amendment that makes that right dependent on someone's zip code. >> he's reading a statement on paper and put it together. what do you make of that in politics where people switch on a principal issue? >> well, joe biden is a mentor and a friend, but he was wrong on this and it's good that he changed his position. this is why it's time for a new generation of leadership. on a range of issues, i think that biden was right to change, but wrong to have the position he did. i think that was clearly wrong and we went into iraq without examining the facts. that's what they wanted us to do in this administration and it's
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europe was a family affair with his four adult children to state banquet at buckingham palace to a tour of the church of war rooms and a ceremony in normandy commemorating d-day. as "the washington post" points out, they documented their exploits and instagram posts in a modern day slide show of wish you were here family vacation moments for the public back home. there they are. the post notes if the display sought to protect the trumps as global good will ambassadors for the united states, it raised questions given the president's refusal to draw strict boundaries between his official duties and his private business. we will go et to the blurred boundaries and the ethical questions they raise in a minute. stick with us. tions they raise minute stick with us.
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welcome back to "hardball." as t"the washington post" point out, it's hard to top a dinner with the queen of england, but they tried to keep it going with a pub crawl in ireland where they bought rounds of guinness for locals where the trump family owns property. trump's children tagging along on their father's official trip cost taxpayer money due to the secret service protection, but it is less clear how many other expenses would be incurred by the taxpayers. a spokesperson for donald trump,
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jr. said he paid for the trip out of pocket. however the visit the trump's golf course in ireland and the fact that his sons lead the trump organization raises concern about the business concerns. the press secretary and republican politico consultant. i have to say this between democrats and ethics. would they say anything about their own president if it were jim carter or jimbarack obama ai don't know if there is any comparison to the royal trump family. >> they were in support of the president and they brought up george w. bush's wife who had a daughter come along with them as a college student at the time. president obama's two girls were
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minors at the time. the issue here with president trump's kids is that there are blurred lines. they are running a private business. we need to know if they really did pay for this themselves or if we, the taxpayers are paying for this. if they are, they need to reimburse the taxpayers. was he writing that off? that's what i want to know. is this guy keeping the tab? i can write this off. >> knowing the president, he probably did. we will never know. whether the trip was paid by his kids or not, there is extra security. extra money was used by the american people for this trip to happen. let me bring you back. i think trump sometimes thinks he's will royal. >> thank you. >> if you go back in history, he wrote in the art of the deal his mother was a fan of queen elizabeth. the trump family he thinks is a
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royal family. let's go to royal and bring everybody. it doesn't work that way. >> i thought it was the romanoffs, not the windsors. they ended badly, but it's an acquisition. they have an electoral college victory. he brings the kids in and gives them jobs and put them in charge of the mideast and trade policy and peace policy. it is a royal family distribution of power. that's weird about this presidency and he loves it. >> hoary does, but my issue with the president is we don't know where the line are drawn. i would not mind if the kids went if there was transparency that they paid for the travel and what they contributed out of their pockets. the issue is we do not. that's what creates issue for the president and knowing this, the administration should have been prepared for the criticism. >> was he selling his golf course by stopping over there twice?
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he is trying to go back to see if he can recuperate. this is what he does for a living. i dare to say he is running for president or do more business in the uk. it's silly. some of his kids were sitting in the second or third row. sitting on the third row and bottom line next week. i have a theory that trump was working for the nonpolitical vote. nothing wrong with that. they are not political buffs like a lot of us. they see him over there with the royal family. they see him acting like a leader and get the sense that the head of state is bigger than politics. if you go to a super market, i
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go to safeway and every check out is royal. it's kate or meghan. the average person loves this stuff. >> they pick it up and i give credit politically speaking. the president has it coming up and things are tumultuous and you think about the average persons. they are blue collar and the middle class. >> the average person goes to a store. >> the president didn't have a bad time. he represented fairly well. this is the person that we want reelected even if we don't like it. whether it's biden or anybody, how do they match that? >> there is no question that he is rolling through instagram and saw the wonderful pictures of the family. 100%. whoever will be the nominee has
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to be as fierce and his. >> if it's biden, back to normalcy. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> very nuanced. a young future mayor and presidential contender. this is going to be fun. you are watching "hardball." er this is going to be fun. you are watching "hardball." this is the couple who wanted to get away who used expedia to book the vacation rental that led to the ride ♪
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it wasn't the first time that the candidate attended a "hardball" road show. take a look at this. >> this is not the first time you have been on "hardball" on a live event. in fact, many years ago you asked a question of a presidential candidate who visited your college, harvard. here you were in 2003 asking dick gephardt about young voters. >> congressman, why are you the only candidate not attending the youth oriented rock the vote forum and do youth votes matter. >> they matter a lot. >> i'm a lot more sympathetic to scheduling. i was pretty hard on him. i feel bad about that now. wow. >> we have one more question from not the audience, but a remote question. sir, do you have a question from f for the mayor. >> mayor pete, you really took
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me seriously, didn't you? >> that was live. you can catch them live tomorrow night on msnbc. that's "hardball" tonight. have a great weekend. all in with chris hayes starts now. . >> tonight on all in. >> if he were any other person in the united states, he would be carried out in handcuffs. >> as the president returns from europe and the democrats prepare hearings on the mueller report. >> if we had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so. >> the plain evidence that the president of the united states is a criminal. >> remember what we said about the president and his feelings towards flynn. >> we are in worse shape for a recession now than if things slowed down. >> bad job
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