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a position he's held for nearly 40 years. >> how he arrived on this position is not a reversal. this is a thoughtful conversation about access and about health care. >> and building a better bernie, the democratic electorate is changing and so is bernie sanders, or at least he's trying. >> you need to bring forth an agenda that increases sprovoter turnout, a campaign of excitement and energy, not the old status quo. >> bernie sanders on the cover of "time" magazine. the reporter who wrote that piece traveled more than 6,000 miles with sanders, from birmingham to bethlehem. he will join us this hour. president trump is back in the united states after a state visit that took him to the churchill war rooms and buckingham palace. >> jared ivanka were there, not with their dad. they were too busy hunting buckingham palace. sometimes at night if you listen closely, you can still hear them

having no business being there! whoo whoo! >> with us this morning is the editor of abovethelaw.com, an nbc news correspondent, the direct he of education for hillary for america and executive editor of bloomberg opinion. both msnbc contributors. as "the new york times" put it, the trade war ended before it began. overnight the united states striking a deal with mexico on trade and migration. president trump announcing the agreement on twitter a few hours after he got back from his trip to europe. quote, the tariffs scheduled to be implemented by the u.s. monday against mexico are hereby indefinite indefinitely suspended. involving days of negotiations between the two countries, 5% tariffs on all imported goods on mexico were threatened, including increases up to 25%.

he set this deed liadline, crea this crisis, and now taking credit for what happened. he will get mex to help with the flow of my grachnts across the border. mexico said -- mexico agreed to take unprecedented steps to increase enforcement to curb irregular my probation with the national guard throughout the country and stop mexicans fr-- immigrants from reaching the united states. lawmakers could rest a little easier. they were worried about the political fallout and now washing their hands of any crisis. mitch mcconnell last night -- following this new progress, my onus is squarely on my democratic colleagues in congress. one of those democratic colleagues chuck schumer responded on twitter, cheekily, this is an historic night. the real donald trump announced

he will eliminate or reduce illegal imgrachts into the united states. now that the problem is solved, i'm sure we won't hear any more about it in the future. carol, let me start with you. you've watched this movie before. >> we have seen this movie before. the president said he would do something, for instance he said he would close the border and he didn't. he then backed off. last week whether he announced this, people in the white house were adamant this was going to happen, including last weekend. they were saying the first phase of the 5% tariffs is going to happen. and then republicans on capitol hill got very -- started to make noise about possibly passing something that would try to block the president from doing that, which would exacerbate differences within the party. the president was also under pressure from business organizations and groups. so at that point it was sort of you could he see they were going to try to find some sort of off-ramp. the thing that allows the president to do, however, is say to the people that his

supporters is that he made this threat, mexico clearly thought he would go through with it and he got something out of it. what we don't know if this is going to work, this will be enough and the state department said if this doesn't produce the results that they wanted to, then the u.s. reserves the right to go back and try to do sming and ta something and take other steps. we have a lot of time until the re-election and could see a movie replay that we've seen once or twice before. >> there's the clause 90 days we will re-evaluate and see what happens during those 90 days. what have we seen play out the last four days. negotiations went into the night most nights. what struck me you kept hearing no decision was going to be made why the president was abroad. yes, he was weighing in on it from twitter and reviews but he needed to be back. >> three, four hours magically this solution was founded. this par for the core with trump. he creates crises he canal so v

even though they're not really a crisis in the first place. this was what he does. he's done this on a number of issues. he manufactured something that's not yet -- there's a problem at the border no question that needs to be solved with a bipartisan solution, consensus but this is not the crisis he made it out to be. he created this tariff crisis so we could then solve it. mitch mckochconnell saying, yeae solved the issue and chuck schumer trolling at the finest level, now that the immigration issue at the border is solved, i expect you won't talk about immigration at all going forward, or the border crisis. we know the trump base loves, there's nothing that gets him more excited than talking about illegal immigration or crisis at the border. it will be interesting to see what happens going forward but the republicans fell right into his trap. and they wanted to, because they

wanted to look like they solved some sort of crisis that simply didn't exit. >> you read "the afrt of the deal" more than anybody at the table and it's out there. help us understand why the president wanted to comment to mexico and prepare for the white house that many couldn't tap against. >> i don't think there was ever any art or note that strategic was a strategic thinker. there are events like this that should put another nail in the cough and so to speak. they had not reached out to the business communities or members to the gop who would be influential around those issues. both of those constituencies turned on the president. i think one of the main reasons he had to reverse course last night is because the gop was going to put him on the railroad tracks over this one if he stayed on it. they knew it would be a bad

issue for the economy, and they knew it would be a bad issue in 2020. i think the larger thing going on here is that this isn't going to be the last time we see this. this is the way trump rolls. he's sort of lyike yosemite sam. he shoot sometimes at his feet or wall. rarely on target when he gets into issues of policy. this wasn't about trade. this was about immigration. he was trying to find this blunt, force way of appealing to his base and trying to solve the complexities of the southern border issue through holding mexico hostage. the winner of all of this is maduro, not donald trump, the president of mexico. >> i keep saying it's a two-page document. it's a thin thing and something you did hear from the white house throughout these talks is they wanted a reinvention of the asylum process. that's not in there. it's a thinness to the document. >> of course not. it's a complete will he made-up

stupid story. next week on "the washington hillbillies, trump threatens to bomb pearl harbor if sony doesn't stop xboxes." look around your table and the headlines. "the new york times," u.s. cancels plan to impose tariffs on mexican goods. trump repeals plaque to fourth crisis. that is a dumb headline. this didn't happen. it should be man shoots to shoot self in foot, decides not to, claims victory. mexico tariffs loom despite progress. that's not what would happen. we have to stop repeating what trump wants us to repeat about what happened and explain what happened. what happened is the president wants to have a little immigration row immigration row, he wanted to distract from all of the investigations of the mueller report, distract from the embarrassment he was suffering at the hands of londoners and this is how he did it and that's

what happened. >> at the general conceit of all of this, the fact mexico could stop migrants from coming through mexico to the u.s. border, everybody said that's a fanciful thing. it hasn't happened and couldn't happen. >> through that sense this is a delay. the white house officials i spoke with when this first came up said there's no way mexico can do what we want them to do in the time that they need to do it to stave off these tariffs. now they've come up with this very thin document, and nothing has changed because the belief is still that mexico can't do -- not only in the time they set that the tariffs imposed but even in this 90 days so you're just going to see a replay of what we've seen in the last week, and the thing that this is really shown to me is that the president is a very small play book in terms of doing anything he wants to do. tariffs have become his main thing. this is not tariffs because they're having a trade dispute. this is tariffs because of a completely different issue.

it raises a larger question of at what point does he use the tariff on other issues if you're a nato ally and you're not paying the 3% of your defense budget -- 3% of your gdp to your defense budget, do you suddenly get the threat of tariffs? do you sort of open this up to a larger space of using tariffs, which has been his go-to thing for japan, eu, china, now there's probably negotiations standoffs coming. >> yes, with japan. >> now they're having a standoff with india that's just beginning. so where this goes just with immigration and mexico is one question and then the broader use of this tool. and david, there have been interviews trump did in early 2000 where he talked about his obsession with tariffs. he thinks it's a power source for him. this is not a surprise he's going to continue to probably use this. >> a blunt instrument he will continue to wield. we come back, former vice

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you still oppose public funding for abortion? >> i still oppose public funding to abortion and the reason i am is it goes to the question of

whether or not you're going to impose a view to support something that's not a guaranteed right but affirmative action to promote. >> welcome back to "up." that was senator biden in 2007 articulating his opposition to public funding for abortions. two days ago his position on that changed. the 2020 front-runner said he could no longer support what's known as the hyde amendment, that prohibits federal funding for most abortions. the former vice president said he supported the in the past because it was attached to funding bills. we know former members of the senate have also voted in favor with legislation with amendment legislation attached. what kick-started this was an nbc news exclusive in a speech to democratic voters in atlanta, when he announced his new position, joe biden said he had a change of heart because of republican efforts to limit abortions at the state level. heidi, look at this piece, his record and stance on hyde

amendment for a long period of time, and then what happens? what leads to this change? >> it seems like the biden campaign and candidate him did not think this would cause the firestorm it did. he said what he believes, what he believes for a long time, and the backlash was swift and aggressive and it suggested he was out of step with the current tempo of the democratic party, and he was counseled by a number of people from other politicians, people that are close to him, senator coons for instance according to "the new york times," and activists, planned parenthood and people in his own staff said you need to change this and he quickly decided that is what he was going to do. for joe biden, he's an irish catholic, very devout catholic. he's obviously struggled with this issue and tried to walk the line in democratic politics for a long time. for him to switch is really a

big deal and sign he clearly feels like needs to be more in line with where the party is now. his reasoning is that he supports health care and now there's such an attack on abortion rights that -- it's not the time to support something like that, it would just feed into this larger assault on reproductive rights. >> ellie, he made no apologies, he said that specifically, i make no apologies for my last position. i make no apologies for what i'm about to say. put this in the broader context of joe biden reckoning with or dealing with his history as a politician. >> he's not really and that's kind of the problem. it's not that he's out of step for the time, but he hasn't updated his thinking for the modern area. my wife has the line, joe biden is like applying for a job at google based on being employee of the month at radio shack. he's just not there. as far as giving him credit for having this change of heart --

>> i'm not giving him credit for saying it. >> one wants to. but the change of heart happened over two days. how deep was that change of heart. this is what i think worries progressives about biden, it's not that he's a centrist, right. being a centrist is actually tough. being a centrist is actually a difficult position. you have to have real strong sense of like who you are and what you're about, right? and biden doesn't come off like a centrist. he comes off like a person who is willing to say what he has to say to get as many votes as possible. that's not centrism, that's pandering. the change, both of his initial position, feels like pandering to the center and now his changed position also feels like pandering and it doesn't seem like he has an actual core about what believes about this. >> david ladder of "the washington post" updating the theme on your wife's joke, can biden, place formed in the 20th century, lead the democrats in

the century? what does this say about how he is among the other democrats in the election? >> it's like tbd, how the democratic primary process plays out. if i was joe biden's staff, they're incredibly competent and top people in our business in terms of being strategists and communicators and operatives, but if i were them, i would sit down with the vice president and where does he stand on some of the hot-button issues, issues that are driving the decision of democratic primary voters. yes, it's not uncommon politicians evolve. joe biden was elected when he was 29 years old in 1972 as i recall so of course he's going to have evolving positions. but he cannot afford to come out and say one thing when it comes to the biggest issues that matters not just to progressives but democratic primary voters across the board and a lot of

moderate and independent voters too on the issue of choice, with that issue being the way it is right now. he with not afford to have another misstep like this. we all know he didn't just change his name in the last 36 hours. that's just not possible or credible and he cannot afford another misstep like that. >> what did you see in the response to all of this, what happened in the intervening 48 hours? jonathan martin talking about the season of the velvet fist, the way the other democratic candidates reacted to what joe biden said. what do you make of their response? what does that tell you about what's going to happen between now and miami and debates after that? >> they're talking about the future of the democratic party around core issues and biden is walking into the wall of someone who is older and not in touch with some of the motivating forces in the country right now from the left and democratic party and progressives. i think of this issue niks to the -- in addition to the politics of it, it's a land mark issue for women. women voters in the 2018

midterms were the decisive force in those elections. i don't think you can look at what's happening in various states right now and not walk away without the idea that choice is under assault. so biden had to get on the right side of that and it's important that he did. this will speak to other policye may be out of step with the party, being one of them. >> can i add what the hyde amendment actual sli? >> sure. >> the reason why the democratic party changed on this issue, the hyde amendment is about withholding federal funding for abortion. the reason why that's bad is that centers the abortion debate on the feelings of white male taxpayers in indiana as opposed to centering the abortion debate on the needs for medical services of poor women across the country. and that's why the democratic party flipped on this issue because we're centering the debate on a different set of people and biden needs to understand the center of this debate is no longer on the, i'm

just a working white man who does as my tax does. >> it's shifting. he has a long deception on crowd sides, except when they're against him. how president trump dismissed the chants against him through the streets of london this week. first, here's conan o'brien on the president's conversation with queen elizabeth. >> we were able to get ahold of the queen's audio during her time today with the trumps. gi give a listen. it's pretty interesting. >> donald, don't put your grubby hands on anything in room. this is not a burger king buffet at mar-a-lago. this is a book.

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this is "up." i'm david gura. there were protests in london this week during president trump's state visit despite what the president said. that's a fact. >> i heard that there were protests, i said where are the protests? i don't see any protest. i did see a small protest today when i came, very small. so a lot of it is fake news i hate to say. >> there were by most estimates thousands of protesters, protesting the president's visit. "the new york times" pointing out the president traveled by helicopter so he could avoid

gatherings like this one in t a trafalger square. >> trump supporters in a pub for their own personal safety. president trump saying -- all of this stands in stark contrast to what others have done in the face of protest. others joked in 2003 saying one cannot take something that presidents remember in such a few days. >> no one had numbers. this is the largest audience to witness an inauguration period. >> let's talk about the

deception and how brazen it is. >> did we miss sean spicer? i think one of the big things that comes out of this moment is the classic part of trumpism, which is are you going to believe me or your lying eyes? big part of trump's messaging and mojo around trumpism is the idea there are not objective facts. that people, the media, fake news are lying to the public and trump is the final arbiter of truth and he's been that way for decades. this has actually worked for him as a business person. he did it as a celebrity. he's now doing it as president, which is essentially to create his own script in realtime about reality and then relentlessly push that onto the public. often, especially with his base, it works. so while we're either shocked or amused by it, there's a nefarious part of this that's about propaganda and real

politic that things get traction in the world. i think people are getting more hip to that strategy around trump. when you have events like london where he's saying i don't see any protest and you cut to the video, it gets harder for him to play that game. >> carol, talk about the strategy around trump. you mentioned the helicopter ride he was taking. he's avoided going to restaurants and schools to meet with people as other presidents would have done. his schedule is being changed by those in his administration. you have the instance of the uss john mccain on the last state visit to japan. members of the present administration are going to certain ends to see what the facts are, to see what the truth is. >> yes, i covered the white house eight years for president obama on a day-to-day basis. it's dramatically different on all of those levels. not only is he helicoptering around foreign cities so not motorcade through the streets, which is unusual, for particularly such short distances, he's not out there in

the country going to places and regularly meeting and greeting -- >> children come up to the golf course. >> right. he hopscotches between his own properties or airport hangers to do rallies or very specific, kind of controlled environments and that's just really different. you can see just the way all of this stuff gets mapped out well in advance of a trip like this, because the logistics that go into it are massive. and to specifically make sure the president is in a helicopter flying over things as opposed to on the ground and seeing them, it takes an effort. they decided that is the effort they want to put in. in some ways it keeps trump from probably lashing out more than he already wanted to do but also gives him license to say i didn't see anything because he didn't really see anything. >> ellie, this is a president who is avowedly ignorant of history. he doesn't read a lot. here he was having to engage in it during the course of this commemorative event in the uk

and france as well. i want to read this piece from "the new yorker." at any moment in history this exhausting drama would simply be nutty, unthinkable and mortify are to a country that counts itself as a superpower. in the future it may seem so again but for now this is what we call a good week in the trump presidency. do you agree with that, what we see in the president's speech from normandy, how does this comport with other trips other presidents have taken so far? >> did you see him sign the d-day declaration, adult leaders signed it at the bottom and trump like a king put his name on the top because he's a desperate-for-attention narcissist he has to embarrass america every time he puts his foot off a plane? so, no, i don't think it was a good week. what i think though is the resistance needs to learn something what we saw in london. trump saw something.

there was a 20-foot float of him on a toilet. we need our creative geniuses, we need the people who make those beautiful floats for the rose day parade, we need to put them to work on this kind of stuff, right? like the resistance in this country, we talk a lot. i like to talk, i like to tweet. but i'm not out there in the streets like these people. trump is planning this grand military parade -- >> july 4th. >> -- to ruin our 4th of july, where is the counterprotest to that? where is our american version of what they're doing to him in london? london is embarrassing us in terms of their vocal resistance to donald trump. >> ellen will be trimming the rose garden for the event in washington, d.c. as he trails against joe biden by double digits, senator bernie sanders tries to reboot his revolution. coming up, the man who crisscrossed the country with the vermont senator, author of the latest "the new york times" cover story about senator sanders joins us next. next.

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immigrant. imgraptsz. i'm david gura. vermont senator bernie sanders ran a trail blazing campaign in 2016. he championed policies that at the time seemed radical like medicare for all, $15 minimum wage and federal jobs program. oh, how things have changed in these last few years. "time's" latest cover story is a profile of senator sanders focusing on his kpurnt campaign. quote, sanders has already changed the game, it notes, but

to win the game, can he change? the words of the author of that piece, at times editor at large, traveled some 6,000 miles with senator sanders this spring trying to figure out what makes sanders tick. sanders is not someone you want sitting beside you observe a long boat ride if you conclude, he will notice if you fall around and drown. he's the person who will notice when you suffer and begin to drown. we were talking about joe biden the former vice president reckoning with this moment and field of candidates. you write about the woke primary as you put it, in part because he's a old-style leftist who lends his class and identity because his culture creates lecture making to which he's perfect and expectation a 77-year-old white guy needs to learn, evolve and prove that he gets it, even if he was at dr.

martin luther king's march, even if this is a challenge for bernie sanders. tell us about that. >> this is someone who in the long view of history was a leader on civil rights before some of the current campaigns were born. this is someone who in terms of inequality, which now would come up on your show and other shows every week, was harping about this before this was a dominant theme in american life. this was someone who in many ways was early to truths that have become mainstream, truth in policy that's have become mainstream and spent 40 years modifying them. but traveling 6,000 miles with him, which is a lot of miles, i discovered he's a victim of his own achievement. having succeeded in elevated those issues, having succeeded to actually get other people to emulate some of those policies,

some of that rhetoric, he now finds himself in a position where the movement he's built, which is a rabid, excited loyal moment but is not 51% of the democratic electorate, he now needs to grow and expand. i became curious about whether he has what it takes to get to the next level. i didn't base it on my judgment as much as talking to the people around him. the people on the record were quite open in the ways in which a man changed america by never changing actually needs to in some ways needs to change himself. he needs to tell his story more. a lot of people are not excited about democratic socialism, a lot of people, but could be excited to tell a compelling story he has to tell about growing up lower middle class and having parents die at a young age, inventing themselves without him, fighting for causes that meant a lot for him. second challenge is navigating

what you point out to that i'd tie politics in 2019. it's tough for someone at dr. king's march who feels he's as credible on those issues as anyone to understand there's new stuff you have to do, there are new hoops, whether right or wrong in 2019. there's a new terminology, new culture competency as one of his staffers called it to me that he needs to get on board with. finally, i think there's a question whether he can overcome the personal toll of his own immense achievement. to spend four years shouting as a cloud as a rival campaign staffer put it to me, saying someone something no one thought was true until they came around to your view can scar you, see the world us versus them, make you suspicious of the press and everybody else. i think when you see him campaign, he doesn't really reach out to people. he doesn't do the politicking thing. he kind of treats the media as a

monolith all out to destroy him because they're owned by companies. i think that will make it hard for him to do what his campaign manager said they have to do, be a movement that grows. >> i was really interested in the part of your piece that talked about the ih 94 primary, campaigning in macon, particularly white and detroit, p predominantly black. if you go on twitter they will say he's making inroads with black voters, particularly under 35, that he's doing the work. you have been out on the trail with him. is that happening? do you see him lighting up african-american audiences and other audiences of color the same way he can light up white college kids? >> i don't think the partisan is on the either side of that question have it right. i saw a very mixed picture, to be honest. i started my 6,000 miles at the national action network event al sharpton had in new york. i have to say when bernie sanders walked into that room, a

room almost entirely of black activists, people stood and just were silent and filming in a way that they didn't really for any of the other candidates that i saw that day. he is absolutely beloved in many parts of that community. the poll numbers also show he's the second-most favored candidates among african-american, double the support of kamala harris in the last poll. so that's striking. on the other hand, he is less popular among african-americans than he is among the general electorate. i think the issue is as someone on the campaign explained to me, there's maybe a difference between the black intelligentsia and black working class people. i think there are -- there's a broad support for things like medicare for all, free college, across working people who really need those things, for whom those are real lacks in their life. i think as you climb up the has low hierarchy of needs, there's an expectation in 2019 there are

certain gestures, a topic like reparations, for example, which most people understand will not be implemented tomorrow is a profoundly important thing for this country to do over the long term to make itself whole. that's the kind of topic where he clams up a little bit. so we went to detroit after this event in macomb and a black opponent worked on the bill to propose reparations over the years and asked him to support him and he said it was just a study, i support funds across the board from all races. it's this way in which he struggles to do a lot of the kinds of things we expect in 2019, which is speaking to specific communities that have issues that are not general workers issues but issues unique to them. >> thank you very much for your time. you're talking about he's like a secular priest. it's a wonderful piece, as i said, the kov ircover of this w "the new york times." up ahead, days after prince

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that was millionaire businessman michael bloomberg speaking to m.i.t.'s graduating class friday. he's starting a new initiative aimed at eliminating our dependency on coal and natural gas. will he give half a billion to a new campaign called beyond carben wi carben with a focus on state and local governments. he writes there's no hope on federal action on this issue for at least two years. during president trump's vision to the united kingdom this week, he talked to prince charles about climate change. their conversation lasted more than 90 minutes. >> i'll tell you what moved my is this passion for future generations. he's not really doing this for him. he's doing this for future generations. prince charles doesn't have to worry about future generations in theory unless he's a very good person who cares about people. that's what maybe impressed me the most. i believe there's a change in weather, and i think it changes both ways. don't forget it used to be

called global working. that wasn't working. then climate change. now it's called extreme weather because with extreme weather you cannot miss. >> a lot to parse there. the president and he has made reviving what he calls clean, beautiful coal central to his agenda. carol, let's start with that. there are a number of pieces that say numerous individuals have tried to convince the president this is real, that science is based on fact and that this is happening. are we at a point where we should give up on the president? how important is the president's role in all this? >> traditionally, it's very important because the president sets the agenda particularly overseas. right now, you have a congress who can barely keep the lights

on so it's not like they're going to be doing anything and pressuring the white house to do anything. your point is good. it's the layer in the country that is driving this issue and young people. and, you know, the president, his own daurn couldn't convince him on this. his son-in-law couldn't convince him of this. there were r there are there are another set of people who are giving him facts. 40 years ago, we had a host of tornados. i mean, he has this facts that he puts out that clearly show that there is a whole group of people around him who are pushing this other issue. and i'm not sure that world leaders are going to push the united states to do something, but certainly we're a country that is driven by, you know, the economy and businesses and that

could push people to do something about this issue. but without the president, it's ready hard. >> let's talk about this on a state and local level. we're going to talk about gun policy in the next hour and there is a new focus on that, as well. if you give up on congress, maybe there is opportunity for change at the state and local level. when you look at what mike bloomberg is doing, how much promise does that show to you? how much can be done without the federal government? >> i think when michael bloomberg puts his mind and money to something, he takes action and makes sure something gets done. first on of all, shout out to my friend brent craig who is running this beyond coal campaign for mayor bloomberg. she understands state and local politics very well and how to affect change at the local level. so i have no doubt that this is going to be a very well run

grassroots campaign. all you have to do is look at everything else that michael bloomberg has supported. every town for gun safety. some of the other climate change or environmental organizations that he has supported over the years, he knows how to actually put money behind something and get it done. he's he's not just saying i'm going to give a community block grant to this town to make sure they affect change. he gets staff at the ground level who know how to run campaigns effectively and that is how he is able to make this dramatic impact. plus, he's michael bloomberg. he's basically the mayor of the world, right? thank goodness he is focussing his time and attention on something our president is failing to do. >> and his billions. >> and we're focussing on what he can do in terms of leadership, but how about the

rhetoric of president trump? to have an interview like that in which he's clearly conflating climate change with weather, has no clear sense of what he's talking about. >> climate change is the existential issue of our time. it's going on threaten our children, our children's children and anyone who doesn't bother to study the facts and try to come up with policy responses to that simply doesn't care and they don't care for bad reasons. there is nothing good about that. people are throwing their hands up and saying, forget the federal government. whether it's the wildfires, hurricanes, people are trying to affect legislatures at the local

level. beyond carbon is trying to shut down coal plants and it's already been effective. there's been a proven track record around that. and i think that's something people can get behind at a local level. >> this was a week in which we had climate change proposals for many of the major candidates. vice president joe biden talked about it in terms of a few minutes ago. how much optimism do you have about this as an electoral issue as we look ahead to 2020? >> if i was running the democratic party, which i would not i am not, i might have decided to have a whole debate about climate change. that was on the table. and they cut it off and i think they cut it off for petty reasons. they don't want to have to have insley involved. i think it's very stupid to cut that off. young people care about climate change and gun control. having an entire debate focused on that i think would help democratic candidates, especially our older ones who need to be able to prove to young people that even though they're going to be dead, they still care about the issues

going forward. as one of the things that -- i mean, we were all laughing off air about this donald trump interview that you just showed. it's his, like, fascination with the concept that prince charles could care about a world that's going to consistent after he's gone. he doesn't have to. he's prince charles. he doesn't have to chaare about his children. trump is so shocked that people can care that far out. >> he said said he's a good person that cares about other people. >> you have to be a good person to care about other people, right? >> but our candidates deserve an opportunity to show that they, too, care about a world that's going to exist after they're gone. so i think a whole debate on climate change would be great. >> not happening according to the head of the dnc. thank you all for joining me this morning. joining us tomorrow on "up," maria hinojosa will be here along with eddie glaude and michelle goldberg. we'll be right back. goldberg. we'll be right back. get it! get that butterfly!

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this is "up." i'm david gura. president trump's visit to the united kingdom wasn't about policy. it was about pomp and circumstance and yes, marking the anniversary of something momentum. but it was mostly about pomp and circumstance. as "the washington post" put it, president trump finally had his

most excellent state visit. he was greeted by queen elizabeth ii and prince charles at buckingham palace on monday beginning three days of fedding and carefully calibrated diplomacy. the royals served lunch, showed off their stuff, poured tea and hosted a lavish banquet with the good china. president trump was wowed by the queen and if he is to be believed, she was wowed by him. >> there are those that say they never seen the queen have a better time, a more animated time. we had a period of time where we were talking solid straight. i didn't even know who the other people at the table were. we just had a great time. >> the other people at the table included the first lady melania trump along with the president's four children and their spouses. it is still not clear why they were there and in what capacity. it is unclear who paid for them to be there.

but there they were outside buckingham palace despite a sign that said no photographs. the "new york times" writing it was the culmination of more than a month of planning by white house officials who have grown accustom to accommodating president trump's children. the times say it was another family opportunity, one im bued with a sense, no matter how warped, of unity. a trumpt biographer telling us this week just as heads surrounded himself with their progeny, he has surrounded himself with his progeny. one of president trump's earliest memories, one he

routinely counts to journalists and biographers is of watching his mother watch television on the day that queen elizabeth was crowned. the populist president is a royalist and it is, as it always has been, about family, his family. up with me this hour, lynnette lopez, phillipe ryanist, mimi roka, and joshua johnson. it was a pleasure to be on your show yesterday, as well. your reaction to what you saw here over the course of this last week. we'll talk about normandy separately and ireland separately, as well. but what is your take away from what was accomplished, if anything? >> ehh. >> a shrug.

>> if you were the president of the united states and you you get invited by the queen to come over and see winston churchill's bunker, you probably do it. i think the larger aspects of this trip are the ones we're going to be discussing in terms of the comments he made about the mayor of london, the d-day celebration and the week was about, in a larger coming toge remember something that happened 75 years ago that changed the establish order of the world. this trip to most of the countries who were involved in it was much more about d-day than about him hanging out with the queen. it was about a reunification of this sxwshl order that was designed to prevent us from sliding backward into world war ii. it was about the stand off with mexico over immigration. he was at the palace when the negotiations were going on at the state department, didn't prevent a deal from being done. but this, to me, in the scheme of the week is not that big of an issue. the issue of who paid for

trump's children to be there, okay, fine, worthwhile question, but the president, i think, is getting more mileage out of this personally. i don't think any of the president's supporters will be impressed that he got to see the churchill bunker. >> there was a subtle and at times not to subtle remembrance in the point and the purpose of alliance he throughout history. >> there were some digs at obviously donald trump's disrespect for anyone and anything that doesn't have to do with him. his pettiness was on full display. all these world leaders are here at this event to serve a greater purpose. this is something that donald trump can is incapable of doing. every day of the tour, there was a reminder to us that this was all about him and his family.

yes, you can say that everything that went down was small compared to this, but what it did remind us all of is that nothing about donald trump is about us, it's not about the american people, it's not about american history, he has no context for that and he doesn't care. he cares about himself and he cares about his own small emotions. >> phillipe, you're a student of diplomacy. you've watched all this unfold. what stood out to you from your base of knowledge having gone through a lot of this yourself? >> i don't think he warranted the level of state dinner that was bestowed upon him. yes, the queen has met with every president. >> a doggy bag of fish and chips would do. >> yeah. even that i wouldn't -- but i

don't know why he rated the extra. and the only thing i can think of is that she's -- since 1952, 1953, she's probably seen 15 prime ministers, over a dozen -- it's probably entertaining to her. she thinks, oh, the buffoon is in town. >> this is the one time you will hear lynnette lopez say i am so glad a head of state is so old because she has to be like, this guy takes the cake and she remembers the things that he is just learning about. >> if she were sitting here now, she would have some great stories. but it was sad to see, a weird thing that bothered me also was that theresa may is on her way out and that he probably has this weird sense of i'm the senior guy on the set. like the next prime minister, he's going to stand there and he's going to think i'll break you in and i'll help you be the prime minister. i helped may do it. it was, with all due respect to

her majesty, the queen, a little annoying. >> mimi, joshua is saying it's an important moment to remember history, a lot of people saying the speech that he delivered in normandy was among the better ones that he's given here as president. >> yeah. like phil, i kind of found the whole thing hard to watch. and i say that as someone who i watch fox news, i try to be broad in my viewership and listenership. but it felt like the whole thing, even the speech that he read without totally screwing it up, it legitimatized him in a way that i don't think should be happening right now. we have a criminal in the white house. we are talking about serious issues back here about should impeachment proceedings begin? he's been implicated in felony crimes in the southern district

of new york. mueller spoke a week ago and talked about he cannot ex object rate this guy. but to see this contrast of this person and everyone sort of pretending like he's this legitimate president who fully deserves to be there, i found particularly hard to watch and with the conflict issues of his kids being there, who is paying for that? and it's part of this broader sort of cancer on this presidency of his personal and political and business lives being conveyed in ways that are unacceptable. >> don jr. makes every situation worse. >> and can i just say ivanka's dress at the state didn't didn't want to be a dress. it wanted to be a tablecloth. it was bad. >>. >> if you watch the coverage,

the media were the same people that covered the royal wedding. so it was a lot of and here is ivanka in her flowing shower curtain and here is don jr. is his -- >> shower cuttan. >> you talked about the trade negotiations happening back home in d.c. speak to the remove that the president had during this trip. he could have been removed from a lot of the policy issues going to in washington, d.c. but he was weighing in on them at the site of the d-day commemorations. he was tweeting late into the night about bette midler and others. what do you make of that occasion? >> that seems to be the issue is the way the president engaged in the environment he was in at the moment in the uk and with what was going on in the u.s. i think the construction of what people who didn't like his visit didn't like is the way he engaged. the president speaks ex cathedra for the united states of

america. london was destroyed in world war ii and the u.s. has a crisis on the border. for the only leader of the country who only got into world war ii because we were hit ourselves, i understand the j h upset. i think for this presidency to be criticized to be the way it is at the moment, this is very much a piece and i think world leaders tend to know that, as well. the queen knows that. as you said, she's seen prime ministers and presidents come and go. god made her queen, so what does she care? and she lived through world war ii so she has a different perspective. i think the interesting thing about this week and about the totally of what's happened is that the business of the united states continues whether the president is involved in it or not. the conversation about international alliances after world war ii took place whether or not the president gave the

kind of speech that the world wanted to hear. and you're right, it was a decent speech. he stuck to the script. we know the president likes pageantry. this was kind of more for donald trump and his family at a time when the world was focus on other things, but even with that, it didn't prevent a deal from being done. in the scheme of things, it may not have that much impact. >> how small he is, he writes, small in spirit, in valor, in dignity, the american president who knows nothing of history and cares still less and bestrides europe like some dictator with a terrified entourage. i pe i pick up about the part in history and i want to get your thoughts on that and how he sees as his place in it. >> i think how he sees himself in it is different than where

the world will see his place in it. first, obviously, he's jealous of the man aonarchy. we're here debating about someone being a die rant. our country was founded because we broke away. we didn't want the i tie ran. we wanted accountability. and it's interesting to see that conflict. the second thing is there is no human being, alive or dead, this is a day where 4400 allied forces gave their lives. this is the epitome of bravery and dedication and self-sacrifice. donald trump wouldn't know any of those things. it was very hard watching that. yes, he didn't spit up on himself when he was speaking. that is a sad bar.

this is someone who deferred out of vietnam five times. this is someone who says i'm glad i have a purple heart because someone gave it to him and he got it the easy way. look at ike, someone who oversaw operation over-lord. the whole week was difficult to watch. it felt like a missed opportunity. it felt like if we had had a great president this week, it would have been so nice to put that foot forward, you know, the 75th anniversary of d-day. >> it was an ugly way to see america reflected back to us. >> and him attacking speaker pelosi with graves behind him -- >> and robert mueller. >> in the same interview. ahead, the self-inflicted crisis the president side stepped and why mexico is not yet in the clear. stepped and wh yet in the clear when cravings come on strong,

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welcome back to "up." last night, president trump dropped his threat to impose tariffs on millions of dollars of mexican imports. the commander in chief tweeting in part, "the tariffs are now indefinitely suspended. part of the deal includes an agreement from mexico to reduce the flow of migrants crossing the border." >> the united states and mexico will lead in working with regional and international

partner to partners to build a more prosperous central america so that citizens of the region can build better lives for themselves and their families and their country and home of origin. >> the tariffs were scheduled to go into effect on monday. they would have increased monthly and capped off at 25%. it's estimated that 3$353 billin worth of goods would be affected annually. great to have you with us. we talked about the politics of all of this. help us understand the pressure the administration was under brought to bear by economists and by business leaders, as well. >> yeah. i mean, look, it's bad economics. if there is one thing that economists largely agree on, it's that tariffs are a bad idea, especially when dealing with trade. the politics of this is bizarre, right? the timing was especially weird. because it looked for a little

while like it was peace time between neighbors, right? a couple of weeks before this started, the u.s. eliminated tariffs on steel and aluminum that the united states put on mexico. and the usmca had been negotiated and, in fact, the day these mexico tariffs were announced, it was the same day that the usmca had been sent to the mexican senate to start the process of confirming it. that process has now been delayed. so i think that's the danger here is that it undermines the good faith of trade agreements. the whole point of a trade agreement is you keep them narrow hely about trade. in this case, the president was using a trade agenda to pursue a nontrade objective. >> this was a marked change. you had this huawei executive arrested.

the extradition is still a subject of debate. the administration said this is a legal proceeding that can happen with our conversations about change. >> huawei is no longer a separate issue from trade. huawei knows that, the chinese a know that and donald trump should admit it. they thought they would be able to get through the trade thing, but nope, donald trump is trying to walk and chew gum at the same time. so he's handling all this china stuff at once. what makes the mexico situation so much more troubling is that robert lightheiser, his trade representative, didn't like the mexico idea. mexico doesn't all this horrible reputation that china has as being a bad actor. the mexico thing didn't make any sense to anyone in economics,

anyone who has to do with money, anyone who has to do with business, which means that donald trump's racist nationalist inclinations are now dictated economic policy. and when i was talking to people on washington street this week, that scared them more than anything else. because this isn't just a radical form of -- you know, this isn't a radical form of policy. we know where that is coming from. larry kudlow, he's kind of -- >> no quantity. >> pretended to be an economist for years. these are known economic thoughts even if they are on the right. this mexico thing was just donald trump being racist. and so that lack of any consideration to what's good for the economy or any restraint in that way really worried wall street. >> i remember traveling with the

former u.s. trade froman. he talk about the timing. how can a company ride this wave, thinking they could see this threat happening, pull away again, what does it mean for businesses? >> it makes it worse is the short answer to the question. but i think something about uncertainty that goes sort of misunderstood is that it wasnk be measured so a lot of people dismiss it. but in the case of trade and specifically in the case of mexico, a lot of people have to understand the global trading system is much more complicated than it was 20 or 30 years ago. global supply chains are not just complex, they're finally tuned. in the case of mexico, a recent study showed that because so many american businesses send components to mexico to be resembled and put together in mexican factories and are then

sent back, if you put tariffs on mexican imports to the u.s., you are in a strange way taxing american made goods. it's a heavy component of it. it's about 30% of manufactured goods from mexico that are exported into the u.s. have american-made value. so these supply chains are complicated and i think it's something that people should better understand when they're looking at these trade deals. >> most of your trade isn't about company trade, but you're talking about logic and reason. >> where do we go from here? we have a 90-day period in which the tariffs are not going to be threatened. your sense of how much this blunt interrupt has become the tool of choice for this administration. >> i'm much more interested about what happens in mexico. think about what happened. the president threatened tariffs that did not happen. the deal calls on mexico to address problems that already exist in mexico. the u.s. and mexico had an agreement as far as december or a statement that said economic development in america is critical to the survivor of the border.

that is accelerating. that existed. mexico created a national guard to deal with this. there will be troops deployed to the southern border to deal with drug cartels and mexican gangs who are already a problem and they don't have to pay 5% into the u.s. for it. the president of mexico is supposed to be attending an event today at 5:00 p.m. it was intended as a protest. he described it in a tweet as a celebration. we'll see if people celebrate. but for him, i'll be interested to see if mexico comes out as the hero saying, look, we're going to provide jobs, health care, documentation for people fleeing guatemala, el salvador trying to get better lives. in the meantime, we will care for you, we will educate you, and then if you still feel like going to a country that sent you back, so be it.

>> this is something the right wing media echos all the time. there are two reasons for that. one, he's always stepping on himself with attacking bette midler or nancy pelosi. but in this case, we are paying attention to his economic moves. they are reckless. now with mexico, are the wrong decisions, they are reckless decisions, they are not how to make our economy stronger. so basically, there is an accurate reflect of him not -- he was handed a good economy at the 10 yard line and he's cruising on it. and you know what? he's getting his due both on the wrong side and the right side. >> i'm going to leave it there. thank you very much. great to see you here on this saturday. up next, who is in and who is out of the first democratic debates of the 2020 contenders? give us a preview of what's in store. a preview of what's in store. off his dancing shoes. luckily denture breath will be the least of his worries. because he uses polident 4 in 1 cleaning system

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from 65,000 unique donors. who has quality phi so far? based on both polling and donations, these are the 13 candidates who will be on the stage in miami. joe biden is up there. so are senators cory booker, kamala harris, elizabeth warren. there are seven candidates who qualified because of polls alone. they include gillibrand, hickenlooper and eric swawell. four candidates fall short in both categories. let me start with you. i want to get a sense of what you're going on be looking for. maybe we can take it as a jumping registration of what we saw over the course of the last week for vice president joe biden, the front-runner, and what happens on his position. how you saw the other candidates react to that and what that tells you about how that might play out in that period of time. >> i think we saw a good dose of what's going to happen in the united states where joe biden is who everyone is gunning for, particularly sanders and warren who are the next two and who

want his voters. i think it's going be fascinating because we're going to talk about the debates for the next 18 days and we're going to be shocked when that first image comes up. we're all thinking of 2015. we had abdom bunch of republica white guys. here, we are going to see what i think is the first time multiple women on the same debate stage. in fact, it might be dominated on certain nights, depending on how the luck of the draw goes. and also, you know, earlier in the year, i think if we had constructed the perfect democratic candidate, it would not have been near 80-year-old white men and somehow the first two have been -- are now in the 1-2 slot. i think when we revert to seeing all ten, i mean, we think about it all the time. we see them every day. but they're not together. the debates are an opportunity to see them side by side. and people might watch and say, you know what? i like the younger people. i like the women. i like the senators. i like the governors. and it's going to be a fascinating dynamic, especially, i think, for biden.

imagine biden might be the second night and not be with warren or sanders. kamala might be the first night without sanders. the people that you need to hit might not be there. biden is going to feel like he's in both nights because he's going to be attacked so much. >> when you look, there have been plenty of these town halls.during which some candidates have been breakout moments. how does it change when you have them all on stage together? >> well, i think as phillip says, part of it is that they'll have the opportunity to interact with each other, particularly the ones who need to sort of try and take one of their opponents down a peg. so you can have that one moment where somebody says one line to, you know, one of their other contenders and it has a greater impact if they're saying it sort of face-to-face and how they interact. and i think it is going to stand out, what a diverse field we have. and, you know, it's hard to

know, though, which way that goes. because in some ways, it takes the remarkbility out of the fact that we have these really strong women candidates now. you know, there's more of them and so they don't look as much of a minority. they don't look as unique any more. in a way biden will be sort of in the minority as the older white male there. so i think it will be interesting to see how that plays out. >> there will only be ten podiums each night. isn't this the first time you're going to see the incumbent live tweeting. he might say, god, look at these people, it looks like a wax museum up there. that is an opportunity for them to talk to him, to the camera, and to show how tough they can be with him, which is another reason why biden might be doing well. there are a lot of dynamics going on. it will be like a particle

accelerator where you go in with a plan but, you know, any plan only survives first contact with the enemy. some people are good debaters, some people are not. and the other seven, no one is going to pay attention to. >> the particle accelerator points, former vice president joe biden said in his kickoff that he's not going to attack the other candidates. you have that best laid plan. that can all change in the course of one of these debateds. >> it can all change. we have to remember who the republican front-runner was was jeb bush and you see what happened. so i think the political rules are a little different now. i'm skeptical of joe biden being the real front-runner. i think there's more under that. i told you the other day that i went to go see network on broadway which is one of the best things i've ever seen on stage ever. the play ends with footage of presidents being naurted.

so it goes ford, carter, reagan, bush, clinton, obama, the whole theater burst into cheering. i was like, oh, is he here? trump, boo, the whole theater lost it. it was this visceral reaction like 1400 people had all at once. i don't think joe biden is the front-runner. i think barack obama is the front-runner. i think there is something about the halo effect from joe biden that reminds some democrats of lye you pretrump that they would want back. others think we need another shot at this. but if you ask voters -- >> who is upset about hillary clinton being the nominee? >> if you ask voters would you rather have a candidate who did not have to evolve his position on abortion? would you rather have a candidate who has been loudly and ohmly advocately advocating free college tuition, would you rather have a candidate who is not another old white guy who has been in washington for 40 years, you'll get yeses all the way around.

i'm interested to see if his front-runner status survives the accelerator, if he's just getting it on name recognition and if this field that has many qualified women and people of color who can be the nominee really can't stand up to the barack obama halo around joe biden. >> it might. >> there is no upside to biden in these debates. he's not going to go from 38% to 43%. it's a matter of whether people can take their pound of flesh from him. >> what has happened when it comes to immigration enforcement? enforcement? at their family reuw them the family of chevy suvs. this is the trax, the equinox and the traverse. which one is your favorite? the trax, actually. more compact. the equinox is jumping out at me. - the blue one. - the red one. and i would take that traverse. no matter what you want in an suv, chevy's got the perfect one for you. you got it covered. current competitive owners get 14% below msrp on most equinox models. that's over $5600 on this equinox.

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this is "up." as the trump administration continues to pressure mexico to ramp up enforcement with its border along the united states, the iclu is happening on the what is happening along the border the united states shares with canada. federal agents are unlawfully stopping and detaining travelers crossing that border by bus and by train, allegedly. these transportation check webs as they're being called by border patrol are not new and agents do have the authority to search vehicles without a warrant within the 100 mile border zone where the government has extended search and squeeze your powers cording to a new investigation, that area is home to more than half of the u.s. population, all of england and florida and most of new york

state. checks have increased in recent years to combat the growing threats of transportation hubs. however, there is no public record of how often these checks actually lead to an arrest. mimi, i want to start with you and pull back the lens here as we look at this immigration problem. this is a part of it that's largely ignored. the president talks a lot about the border with mexico. it is a broader issue than that. there are plenty of people that think that he needs a wider view when it comes to what's happening with immigration. >> yeah. actually, in theory, it's not a bad thing, right? this whole idea that if we put a wall up in mexico, we're going to stop human trafficking and drug trafficking, all the problems that trump claims to be want to go address. that is just so false and far from reality. and the truth is, and i saw this as a prosecutor, i think more drugs come over the border in canada. but it's a question and here is the problem of this administration of how it's addressed.

and the fact that this is sort of going under the radar should maybe be slightly even more frightening because we know what's happening already in mexico at the border. you know, what are we going to start hearing -- well, we're start to go hear some troubling stories about what is happening in canada. certainly law enforcement has increased powers at the border, but it is not fine to do racial profiling. which it sounds like that's what they're doing. so i think in theory, having a broader view of the problems at the borders is a good thing. but as with many things with this administration, how it's being carried out is already seemingly problematic and i'm sure is going to get worse. >> joshua, with all due credit to the aclu and my colleagues who reported this piece, what are the deficits when we look at what we're talking about and

what we're not talking about. this president can make us look at one thing while something else is going on. what is this story about this uptick on these searches on the u.s.-canada border. tell us about that, how we focus on what's happening, how we have a wholistic broader standing on issues like immigration. >> this is a part of that conversation that started when we started debating the border wall in terms of the concerns being ports of entry as opposed to just the southern border which has varying forms of terrain and law enforcement legislation. so there's that part of it. there is the fashct that if we e serious about the border, why aren't we concerned about all borders? there are certain parts of the country that are policed better than others. also with this canada story, it occurs to me that the diversity in canada is different than the diversity in the u.s. so if you are coming from canada to america, you have a different

population of indigenous people who may be more likely to get interdetectived, a large caribbean population that lives in and around toronto. a number of refugees from the middle east, including from syria who may be likely to get interdicted. and the canadian government has gone out of its way since donald trump became the president to make it clear you are welcome here, we will protect your rights here. you're a canadian the minute you land. so there is all these different dynamics going on at this border including drug trafficking and contraband that crosses the northern border and the debate over the southern border can be reductive because we're talking about brown people, people who kind of look one way. canada is a multi colored nation with many different kinds of people who can be affected by this sort of enforcement. all of that is nuance. we're not good at nuance right now and that might be why the canadian border issue doesn't get much play.

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virginia beach, virginia, where gun violence claimed the lives of 11 victims and one shooter. here is what president trump had to say to end the surge of shootings in the u.s. >> there has been 150 mass shootings in america alone. >> yes. >> in britain, we have 85 shooting deaths. what can you do to change the culture. >> in london, you've had stabbings all over. we've had 50 odd murders with knives this year. >> they said your hospital is a sea of blood all over the floors. >> what do you think you can do as a president to change the mindset about gun violence. >> just talk about it. >> sea of blood in the hospital is something i haven't heard

since articles about the civil war. >> the date is set, on july 9, i will summon members of the virginia general assembly for a special session. he's going to push for laws he hasn't gotten pushed through before. he wants a ban on silencers, ban on assault weapons and bump stocks, universal background checks. is this where the solutions will be at the state level? is it happening at the state level and not the federal level? >> it has to happen at the state level and not federal. no question about that. whether ravel north rom is working on his issue from last year or was it this year. if he thinks he can get it done

in virginia, good luck to him. this government isn't able to pass much policy at all right now. >> we spoke after that event. your reaction to that a week out. his call for there to be action not just at the state level but the federal level as well. >> this isn't directed to senator booker but what he said was, we are past the point of thoughts and prayers. we are past the point, past the point. i also have a podcast. we had shannon watts on who founded moms for action. basically they communicate if you do the right thing, we have

your back. if you don't, we'll have your job. a lot of that is common sense stuff. there is something six speaker pelosi can pass as much as they want but mcconnell will stop it. when you look at connecticut, sandy hook has really changed their gun laws. it has made a difference. the talking points from the right have just gotten so ridiculous. first and foremost, it is well nothing would have made a difference. how do you know and then second everyone should have had a gun. >> we are at a place where grassroots on the left is really starting to make a difference and the nra is really making miss steps. they have been outed for

corruption. you finally have this energy at the grassroots about this. that's reflected in the states. >> do you sense the same sense of moment here? >> yes and no. the fact that there was a mass shooting last week and people are barely talking about it, it is terrifying. it is all of our responsibility to bring it up. shannon watts is incredible. if you follow her on twitter, she posts every time they have a victory in the state. it is so hardening. it is progress. it has to come from the president and senate leaders. there are things we can do nationally. the assault bans, you can have a

red flag law, silencers, why do we need assault weapons? it is not going to happen with this president. >> it might become a 2020 issue because all democratic candidates are not created equal. they are kind of spread out on guns. >> i think red flag laws might be the biggest thing in virginia. remember the virginia tech shooting. they said he was able to do what he did because many people missed he was suicidal and depressed going through a history of personal problems. maybe remembering that will make red flag pass there. >> so many time has passed and so little has changed. my thanks to you who joined us. coming up later, joy reid talks to seth molton as she hosts a

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loathe. >> i think america deserves a better leader. >> good morning and welcome to "am joy" live from lovely london, england. donald trump took his traveling road show to europe this week having finally scored a uk state visit courtesy of out going prime minister theresa may. also here with other leaders to commemorate the d-day anniversary. an event every modern president has been able to articulate. his trip was different. trump was greeted on the first stop here in london with something he should be used to by now. thousands of people in the streets protesting him. yes, the trump baby blimp made an