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all right. that is it from london. thanks so much for tuning in. we'll see you next week. over to alex witt. >> i wish i had time to ask you what you're going to be doing this afternoon in london but i can't. i got no time. >> no time. >> have fun. go shopping. enjoy yourself. thank you, my friend, joy. good day to all of you. msnbc headquarters in new york. high noon here in the east and 9:00 on the west. new battle lines and what they're saying about a unique hearing slated for capitol hill and what it has to do with the president. poll position. some democrats face tough questions about their standing in the 2020 race after new numbers are released. the mod of america as washington bikers and the government struggles to function. who's to blame. real deal? new reporting and questions on the u.s./mexico agreement to avoid a tariff war. where is the truth. developing right now, new battle lines drawn ahead of

tomorrow's hearing before the house judiciary committee to examine the findings on obstruction of justice detailed in the mueller report. tomorrow's hearing will feature john dean, a key witness of course during watergate. this morning a member of the judiciary committee defended the hearing and the house speaker after she reportedly told top democrats she would rather see the president in prison after leaving the office. >> we have reviewed the mueller report. the president of the united states directed don mcgahn to fire the special counsel and then to prepare false documents to deny that he was told to do that. that's the purpose of our hearing monday. these are criminal acts. obstruction of justice, clearly impeachable offenses and so, you know, it's kind of rich to hear the president complain about this when he began a campaign with lock her up. i don't have any difficulty with those words. no one is above the law. >> and some top republicans claim the public is closer to seeing documents that would discredit the origin of the

mueller investigation which did not start from the so-called steel dossier. >> we're seeing additional documents coming out, whether it's declassified documents i have looked at documents. as it relates to the does cierre. >> rather start for tomorrow. >> the situation is brilliantly.

>> pretty much lashing out at those with the tariff deals. where does the truth lie? >> "the new york times" story this morning that pretty much outlines what the president announced in such dramatic fashion at the 11th hour on friday night were programs that were already in existence. we've done some digging here. that's what was announced by president trump. >> the president's back was

against the wall and that's important context and a lot of people were saying this is a face saving deal. this is old wine in new bottles. here's basically the way it breaks down. the mexican national guard, according to this agreement, is going to increase its numbers on the guatemalan border. that's in the south of mexico from 5400 to 6,000. there are 1,000 that have been deployed. they were going to move that up to 5400. then a key provision, the asylum seekers. they were going to keep people who are migrating through mexico from those three central american countries trying to get in the u.s., have them wait in mexico while their asylum cases are processed in u.s. immigration courts. that, again, was a program that was already in place since january. this proposal, this agreement would allow that to expand. now today the acting secretary of homeland security, kevin mca

lean than was asked whether this was real and here's his response. >> how much of this is new? >> all of it is new. i mean, we've heard commitments before to do more on their southern border. the last time they deployed down there. it was 4 or 500 officers. this is more than ten fold. mexico came to the table with real proposals. we have an agreement that if they implement will be effective. >> president trump at his golf property in northern virginia as is his habit on saturdays and sundays despite the rain in washington. he's been tweeting he decries the injustice. he says the press is not treating him very well in the wake of this agreement. and "the new york times" says they never treated president obama this bad. we've been trying to get these border actions for a long time. we were not able to get them and now this is a break through as he's characterizing it. >> mike viquera, thank you for that setup.

charlie salvage and msnbc contributor. pam molini, mother jones. you heard him say all of the components in this deal are new. is that true? >> well, as we just heard, not really, but there's enough wiggle room that gives the white house an argument that this is more than a deal that allowed trump to get out of the mess that he had gotten into with the business community and his own party over the tariffs which would have had disastrous economic impact including in texas. an expansion of 600 troops for an agreement and put 5400 on the border to guatemala to 6,000. that's not nothing. i don't understand myself how much of an expansion to this existing program on asylum people staying in mexico while the cases are adjudicateadjudic. if the numbers are similarly sized, this seems like a very

modest incremental change to the status quo. >> there's something that mexico refused to budge on, charlie, and that was having mexico take all of these migrants that are passing through theoretically and have them apply for asylum there in mexico. mexico said, no, not doing it. >> well, that's right. that would be -- that would be the true game changer. if they had to apply for asylum in the first country other than their own that they set foot on, that would dramatically change the situation for the united states. it would put a huge burden on mexico and it would leave pressure on our southern border. you can see why mexico doesn't want to do that. if trump could achieve that, that would solve this problem. >> so democrats are certainly skeptical as to whether or not the administration achieved anything. are they right or do they just not want to give the president any credit at all? >> you know, i think that they have a good point here, which is the point to what we see as a

pattern with the administration which is they come out swinging. you know, they're promising to do these big, dramatic things if they don't get their way and then they sort of find a way to resolve the crisis with what, you know, the crisis that they manufactured with something much smaller. i think i was here a few months ago and we were talking about whether or not trump was going to literally shut down the border between trump and mexico. that never happened. that was resolved somehow. i think they're pointing to a pattern here that makes sense. you know, i do think that these are pretty small things. again, i think charlie's right that they are not nothing here. you know, i think there is ongoing litigation about whether or not an important chunk of this proposal is even legal here, if it's actually legal to force these people to stay in mexico rather than come to the u.s. and have access to a lawyer while their asylum request is being adjudicated.

i do see these as pretty small. it makes sense to point to a larger pattern where we see the president, you know, making these big claims, i think largely appealing to his base that he's swinging big and making deals, and then ultimately when you look at the details they're a lot smaller. >> let's get to another headline here. i want to get your reaction to this. it is the washington post piece talking about how democrats are divided on the issue of impeachment. the paper interviewed 45 democrats splitting them up into three categories, those who are in pelosi's camp not ready to impeach, those who are torn over it and the diehards who want nothing less than impeachment. charlie, the democrats agree. do you think next week's hearings move the needle in any way? >> no. i don't think having people who are not administrative officials, not having someone like mueller or don 34k gan who's been resisting complying, having outside experts have a hearing, no one's going to pay

attention to that. the house is also set next week to vote on a resolution that would allow the house judiciary, oversight and other committees to file lawsuits themselves to ask a judge to order recalcitrant trump witnesses to provide the information in response to subpoenas that they have been defying and so a series of judicial rulings against the administration might look like progress is being made. that might take some of the pressure off of nancy pelosi to do more from her left flank but still as it is now, the house is really struggling to find a way to hold this president accountable, as they would put it, in their view short of impeachment which they know will not result in his removal because the senate republicans will never go along with it. >> pamela, we heard congressman ciciline say he doesn't have a problem with pelosi saying she wants to see the president in prison but is this the nature of

politics today? >> yeah. i think on the one hand we had him and others really talking about this. i think genuinely saying this isn't about politics. we're struggling with what our duty is when we take the oath of office here to uphold the constitution. what do we do in this situation? and i think at the same time there's no way to escape that this is a political decision. impeachment is literally the political solution to a president that if you believe that president should no longer be in office and it's also, you know, we have the 2020 elections around the corner here. we have a question whether or not trump will win again. we have a question of whether or not democrats will hold the house. i don't think there's any way to approach this that isn't political. i think certainly nancy pelosi is putting politics front and center as she is approaching this and has a clear view of what will work and what won't. i think what's kind of interesting here is you're starting to see some people saying, well, if the

administration defies a court order, then that would sort of be a step too far. i think one of the political problems with that is that you might not get to that point until you're actually much closer to the election. on some political level if you are going to start moving forward with impeachment, we would want to start doing it yesterday so that you could have moved on from it closer to the election. i think the more they debate it, the more they kick the can forward in a way that actually makes -- potentially makes the impeachment question come up at the worst time politically. >> 1350speaking of moving forwai want to discuss 2020 and the candidates. it's hours before 19 presidential candidates are pitching themselves at a dinner in the first of the nation caucus state. former vice president joe biden holding the lead but support for him is down 3 points. the race for second place pretty much a tie between bernie sanders, elizabeth warren and

pete buttigieg. and amy klobuchar and beto o'rourke is above 1%. here's how they reacted to these numbers. >> it's the poll of today. >> it's not just one poll. i'm not even talking about iowa, national polls, all of them. >> dana, the last i heard the election was eight months from today when the first ballots are going to be cast in iowa. >> i don't know that this many months out from the caucuses in iowa that these polls really indicate what our prospects are. if i relied on polls in any race i run, i never would have been able to serve in the united states congress. >> i am happy to be in the top 6 and ahead of 18 people. we've got a long campaign ahead of us. i'm clearly on the debate stage and expect to be there in the

fall. >> one is dismissive of the poll numbers but they are a snapshot. to that end, what you are your main take aways. in between now and then there is a lot of campaign fundraising that has to happen. i think donors are going to be increasingly reluctant to fund the bottom half of that field seeing no chance in the field. beyond that it's a fascinating poll. it shows biden support is soft. there are a lot of people who saw him as the name they recognized, maybe a guy who was a throw back to the trump era -- i'm sorry, a throw back to the obama era, but it's melting away a little bit. you see warren coming on strong and sanders has his sort of standard amount of votes. the last thing people should remember about iowa is you've got to get 15% of any particular

caucus to survive. in someone goes in there and they get nothing out of that, they have to recaucus with somebody else. it tends to squeeze out the single digit people. >> pamela, to that end, with the first vote being recast eight months away, who is going to be away of the 20 candidates in three months? >> yeah, i think to charlie's points, it's money. as a marketer of where the money is going, this is a telling poll. i am also of the opinion that this is all sort of background noise until we have a few debates. i think those can really shake things up. i think if you're not paying a whole lot of attention to the race yet, you might say there's a lot of headlines about warren so i'm attracted to her. i know bernie so i'm going to him. you see a debate or two.

oh, i never thought about this person, that person. i think those things can shake things up. there's a chance for people to break out. there's a chance for people to mess up. until we see polls, we'll know more. >> charlie and pam, i know more having talked to both of you. thank you so much. request denied. who's behind the trump administration's choice not to let u.s. embassies fly pride flags and how some diplomats are getting around that policy. poliy ♪ hoo - with tripadvisor, it's easy to discover and book amazing things to do, wherever you're headed.

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i don't think any of us are proud of the fact that so many black trans women have been lost to violence this year alone. at a time like today when you can still be legally fired in so many parts of this country because of who you are or who you love. we've got work to do. we in the lgbtq community know when we hear phrases like make america great again that that past was never as great as it was tiesed. >> that was mayor peter buttigieg 1350speaking at the p event. >> with a welcome to you, let's go to mayor pete's point there because some advocates have tracked at least 128 deaths of transgender people in the united

states since 2013, 80% were people of color. i want to show resources for people who may need help. i know you are passionate about lgbtq rights and you supported the act last month. >> absolutely. >> what can be done -- >> there's so much that can be done at the local level. we have to know that lgbt g cumulatiommunumulative -- commu depression. support for the community is so meaningful. the other day i was meeting with a group of young people saying there's not any kind of a support network here for teenagers who are transgender. creating those kinds of programs just so that people know there are others experiencing the same kinds of things that they are really matters.

and i would encourage anyone to reach out to say -- you know, to look for opportunities to create those kinds of connections and as allies to make sure that people are okay and see if there's anything that you can help with to be a supporter. >> absolutely. exactly why we put up the screen with three numbers for resources for help. nbc news is the first one to report that president trump is rejecting requests to fly the rainbow prides flag and the washington post says some diplomats are getting around that. the post said after mike pompeo became secretary of state embassies were required to obtain top level approval to fly a rainbow flag. how significant is this? >> i think it's just another example of how trump and the administration will say one thing, so, for example, he had this tweet today, oh, my administration is doing all of these things to, you know, support the lgbtq community and

it's a total lie when you see attempt after attempt to deny rights granted and support across the globe for the lgbtq community. we have the transgender ban in the military, the hhs rules allow discrimination for people who identify as lgbtq based on religious reasons. it's one thing after another after another making sure people who are lgbtq can't foster children when we have such an overly extended foster care system. and what i see the significance of not allowing embassies to fly the flag is it's symbolic in so many ways of how we will not even stand in public on a global setting for our community. >> all right. well, fortunately the entire month of june is pride month so there will be a lot of

discussion about this throughout the coming weeks. meantime, let's move on to impeachment, that topic is a hot topic of course. the washington post said you were among the house democrats toorn between leadership, con still the two went demanding it. you told the post that phone calls favor impeachment by a whopping 20/1 margin. what kind of pressure does that put on you? are there many others in the same position as you are? >> i think there are a lot of others and each district is different. the way i see my responsibility as a lawmaker and as somebody who was elected to this office is to be able to both take the feedback from my constituents and be able to communicate back to them what is happening and how we are holding this administration accountable and the steps that need to be taken to do so. so i feel really good about the direction that we're headed right now. you know, we're going to be taking these contempt votes this week.

we have these lawsuits that are moving in the right direction and have had favorable rulings because no matter what happens we will not get an impeachment as far as removal from office if we don't have the senate. i think that's really important for people to understand is impeachment does not equal president trump leaving office. one step at a time is going to be okay. i don't think it's about the political consequences as it is about following the constitution, following the rule of law, making sure no one is above the law and that we are going to hold this administration accountable even if that ultimately gets us to november of 2020. >> yeah, in other words behaving in a principaled manner. >> what about constituents of yours that stress any frustration that the government is stalled on any important number of issues all the way from infrastructure, fixing the border, what are you hearing on that? >> i think we hear that a lot

because people do want to see changes being made but, again, that comes back to communicating. the house level we passed over 200 bills including the landmark pieces of legislation from expanded background checks to the equality act to just recently we passed hr 6 which is protection from dreamers and tprs recipients. mitch mcconnell won't allow them to come to a vote. the pressure has to go to the senate saying he needs to vote on them. they need to be held accountable just as much as the president does. even if we elect somebody besides president trump, if we don't get a senate that reflects our values, then we're still going to be stalled. i can't emphasize enough that we can't just be thinking about the white house come november, we have to be thinking about the senate as well. >> in keeping with thinking about principle, the post reports about you, quote, during

a private meeting the freshman from a gop leading district told her colleagues that she was willing to lose her seat if impeachment were the right thing to do. ultimately, congresswoman, what is your threshold for determine that. >> for me, i see a true constitutional crisis. that's the one thing we cannot stand for. we have to call for impeachment. even if it means the republicans hold the president accountable, we have to. it's our job. ultimately we need to take a stand that says for this administration and for future generations to come we will not allow a president to blatantly defy the law and throw away constitutional responsibilities. again, if that means that i lose my seat, then i'm willing to do that. i don't believe that that's going to be the case. i think that the voters are going to recognize that that is

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mueller. congressman highlighted the evidence earlier. let's take a listen to that. >> the president of the united states directed don mcgahn to fire the special counsel and then to prepare false documents to deny that he was told to do that. he directed an outside person, cory lewandowski, to limit the special counsel's investigation and a number of other instances of obstruction of justice that are detailed in this report. these are specific things that the president did. that's the purpose of our hearing monday. these are criminal acts. >> joining me now, former fellow prosecutor, cynthia oxney. why does john dean's testimony matter? >> i wish i could get on board with this plan. it strikes me as just a weak way to start. there's not a reason in the world why they don't just subpoena mueller. mueller is a guy who's going to respond to a subpoena. andrew weiseman, respond to a

subpoena. >> but -- >> it doesn't make any sense to me. >> regarding mueller though, hasn't he already said pretty much -- he's given his testimony. he did so behind that podium earlier last week when he said this report is my testimony. >> right. >> in other words, challenging people to subpoena him and he would reiterate everything he's written in the report. >> that's what they're trying to get people to say. they're trying to get them to reiterate. we want to say that he tried to fire don mcgahn. that's in the report. get mueller to say on page 12 didn't you say -- get a real live person who did the investigation. let's get real witnesses in here. bob mueller plays by the rules. if he gets a subpoena from the house committee, he is going to show up. he doesn't want to show up but he is going to because he is a man of the law. he will be there. andrew weiseman will be there, rex tillerson will be there. on the two track, let's enforce the rest of the subpoenas. don mcgahn, hope hicks,

donaldson, all those people, they need to be forced to comply with the subpoenas through the court system. that needs to happen as well. >> why aren't they issuing then the subpoena to robert mueller and others? >> it beats the heck out of me. it is time to issue the subpoena and stop negotiating. bob mueller doesn't want to testify. i don't blame him. he's in the a political person. too bad. it's time. he has to come. issue the subpoena. send one to wiseman, lewandowski, chris christie. let's get going. john dean is one of the loveliest, nicest people. barbara mcquade is testifying tomorrow. neither one of them investigated this president. they do not have the facts that the fact witness ps do. i don't agree with the strategy. >> okay. what do you want to hear from rex tillerson? >> i don't know. i mean, rex tillerson was there with -- in some of the -- near and around the conversations with 350u9 continue and i'd like

to know about how that went. i'd like to know what happened to those notes. i'd like to know what his reaction was and i think he has a lot of interesting things to say. >> speaking of interesting things, speaker pelosi said she would rather see the president imprisoned than impeached. walk us through the legality of all of this. do you think the president could actually avoid being charged by winning in 2020 based on obstruction? there has to be a statute of limitations, right? >> right. yes. that's exactly the issue. so obstruction has a statute of limitations of five years. if the president gets a second term, you can make an argument that if all the obstruction is over, that he will -- he'll basically beat the obstruction rap because of the timing. now if other obstructive absolute are going on as part of the same conspiracy, it all

loops in. it tolls the statute. everything goes together with the last obstructive act would be when the limitations runs. so -- when the limitation counting periods starts. so it may not be based on his behavior, in my opinion, it may not be that he gets away with it, and it's a threat to the case. the other issue is on the payment to stormy daniels, you know, that's over so that statute of limitations is running and might very well run, which would be totally unfair that michael cohen goes to jail, the president is essentially an unindicted co-con spiritor and what michael cohen did, he did for the president. he goes to jail and the president nothing. >> congressman nadler has reportedly argued that an impeachment inquiry would

strengthen his job in court. >> it strength jens it if it's called impeachment. not remarkably so. they still have a very strong argument that they should see the material. they have a very strong argument that they should have their subpoena complied with. it's a very washington thing. we have to have the right label on the committee room. the right size table. let's all argue at that. very washington way to look at it. stop talking about it and what you're going to label it, get the subpoenas out, call the witnesses and get moving. >> cynthia, thank you so much. security battle. why lawmakers aren't taking steps to protect the 2020 election even as the fbi warns russian interference will happen again. ♪

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ground game in early primary states hiring 65 paid staffers for the state of iowa alone. vonn hilliard on the sudden hiring spree. >> reporter: with 23 different candidates in the race, the harris campaign realizes the importance, how critical it is to get voters to come out and caucus or vote for you. that's why they have put the resources here this month into the ohio, south carolina, and get voters out and support you. as kamala harris has spent the past couple of months, they're using that money to make a robust effort on the ground. >> harris currently stands in fourth place in the real clear politics poll. 7.8%, joe biden leading with 33.5. partisanship over patriotism. who and what's to blame for the gridlock. also available in hybrid all-wheel drive.

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unresolved. david cilliline spoke about it this morning. >> we appropriate significant additional resources in the last appropriations bill. we may have to do more. we need to make sure we have enough immigration judges that people can be processed quickly. the problem has been made worse by many of the policies of this administration. we need to work together in a bipartisan way to respond to the challenge. some of the policies of this administration have made the problem significantly worse. >> joining me right now, former marilyn congresswoman, donna edwards, jonathan altar, msnbc analyst and susan delpercio, an msnbc analyst. congresswoman, you, first. do you see any room for bipartisanship in congress or are democrats and republicans reluctant to be seen as making any concessions? >> well, i mean, let's not confuse things. i mean, the fact is that

democrats have passed more than 100 bills in this legislative section. on gun control and gun and the republicans, led by mitch mcconnell in the senate, simply refuse to take any of them up. i think at some point or other, voters have to ask why it is that senate republicans are even getting a paycheck from the taxpayers given that they aren't going any legislation at all. >> why, ma'am, do you think that mitch mcconnell refuses to take up any of these bills? >> well, i think it's pure politics. he doesn't want there to be any success. i also think he doesn't want to run against the ire of the president of the united states. you know, it's ridiculous that something like the mueller report identifies sweeping and system matti systematic attack on our elections and they can't even get an election bill out to secure our elections for 2020.

>> what about the flipside for those who look at congress and say in the house, look, you're passing bills you know are not going to go anywhere in the senate. that's an argument that could be made. what's the defense there? >> i mean, i actually don't buy that. for example, on prescription drugs republicans and democrats said they wanted to do something about prescription drugs. we could put infrastructure -- we've had infrastructure any number of weeks. you could get agreement if the president of the united states were a real partner in the negotiations. so i actually don't buy that. indeed, you got to pass something to start working on something. democrats have passed bills in the house, and it's time for republicans to do the same. then come to conference in the way that you ordinarily would do legislation. that's how you get it done. >> all right. i'm going to go to my republican friend, susan. how do you see it? >> i agree with the congresswoman on several counts that the senate is not willing to bring anything up, especially when it came to ballot security. that just befuddles me, to be

honest with you. what's worse is that the senate isn't -- senate leadership is not even coming up with a response to what the house is offering. if you don't like what their ballot security bill looks like, make your own. if you don't like what their prescription drug bill looks like, present your own solutions. they're not offering any solutions. and for those members that are in swing districts or swing states like colorado and a few other states that are up for play this year in the senate, they are going to have to show what have you done for your constituents in the last year and a half. the answer is going to be nothing. mitch mcconnell is afraid of upsetting the president. that's absurd. >> i want to go further on the mitch mcconnell issue with you, jonathan. heading into 2020, you've got the hill reports that democrats are looking to blame mcconnell for this year's lack of legislative process, and it reads, by casting mcconnell as the face of washington gridlock, democrats hope to portray the entire gop has uninterested in

governing at the expense of the middle class. if that's the strategy, jonathan, do democrats now see a benefit to continued gridlock? >> well, you know, the benefit of it is political. what you saw this weekend was mitch mcconnell not doing himself any favors. i think really stepping in it by defining himself as, quote, the grim reaper. then you saw nancy pelosi jump on that and say he's the grim reaper. the senate is a legislative burial ground, graveyard. so if democrats use that kind of language, if they can stigmatize him as the grim reacheper, theyn make political hay out of that. first, they have to turn him into a household name. the question is are the democrats disciplined enough to do that, to have a disciplined attack on mitch mcconnell? not clear.

so today was not such a great day for that because you had pelosi calling him the grim reaper. if it had been in the republican party, every single republican member on the sunday shows would be saying, grim reaper, grim reaper, grim reaper. they would be on their talking points. the democrat, as will rodgers said, i'm a member of no organiz organized political party, i'm a democrat, they're going off in their own directions. the question is can they have a disciplined attack on mitch mcconnell, turn him into a household name and have every american know what the grim reaper means. >> congresswoman, what are you hearing from americans on how they feel about all this feuding and the diverging messages from dc? >> well, i mean, people actually do want the congress and president to do something that's about the american people. i've traveled all around the country. in fact, last week i was in iowa talking with some voters there, up in new hampshire.

voters are saying to me, why can't they just get their work done? we have to show up at work every day. that's how we earn a paycheck. and the congress should have to do the same thing. >> on a scale of one to ten, susan, how frustrated do you think americans are with ail of this infighting and failure to get anything done, generally speaking? >> 38. >> i had a republican and democrat, both each independently said 11. everybody seems to be in sync with that. >> i was just going to add, i disagree with jonathan a bit as far as making mitch mcconnell a household name. that's the frustration. he represents washington. i think the key is for democrats and republicans to go into their districts and say, this is what i've done for you, or their opponents say this is what's not being done. i think issues matter more than washington, d.c., speak. i think talking about health care, prescription drugs, ballot security, that matters more than trying to put some label on

mitch mcconnell, and to take all of that effort out of washington because frankly it's confusing and means nothing to people at home. >> i completely agree with you that they have to talk about the issues because that's what people respond to. but if you don't stigmatize the opposition, personify the opposition, and there's room for more than one villain -- >> i think you have donald trump for that. >> donald trump is the personification of the opposition. >> i think the reason they need to take it to mcconnell also is they have to nationalize those senate elections in 2020 and have people realize it's not enough to vote for the democrat for president, vote for republican for the senate. they have to throw the republican senate out. the way to do that is to stigmatize mcconnell. >> but with a presidential election at the top of the ticket this year -- i would agree with you if it was an off-year election. the president is at the top of the ticket. there's no one who's going to be more divisive. >> that's true. >> we'll certainly talk about this all again. congressman, jonathan, susan,

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die hard? i'll ask congressman jerry connolly where he stands. that's what's frustrating to us, is this issue has become so politicized, and we feel like we're just the pawns sitting in the middle of this thing. >> tensions at the border. ranchers talk about the real issues they face almost daily and what they see as a solution. good day, everyone from msnbc world headquarters in new york. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." new reaction this hour to that new poll from iowa just hours before 19 presidential candidates are pitching themselves at a dinner in the first in the nation caucus state. former vice president joe biden holding the lead, but support for him is down three points since march. the race for second place is a statistical tie between bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, and pete buttigieg. kamala harris is in fourth place. now, some of the contenders made the rounds on the sunday morning

talk shows. here's how they reacted to the numbers. >> that's the poll of today. >> well, it's not just one poll. just even national polls, all of them. >> last i heard, the election was eight months from today, when the first ballots are going to be cast in iowa. >> i don't know that this many months out from the caucuses in iowa that these polls really indicate what our prospects are. if i relied on polls in any race that i'd run, i'd never be able to serve in thenit united state congress. >> i am happy to be in the top six and ahead of 18 people. we've got a long campaign ahead of us. i'm clearly on the debate stage and expect to be there in the fall. >> nbc road warrior shaquille brewster is in iowa covering bernie sanders. so shaq, a welcome to you. good to see you, my friend. busy day there. loud day apparently as well in the hawkeye state. sanders is scheduled to be at

that mcdonald's behind you. there's a worker's march where they're pushing for a $15 minimum wage. what are you seeing and hearing? >> reporter: that's exactly right. they're having a program right now. essentially mcdonald's workers are picketing for better pay. bernie sanders is using this first appearance to do what he's done last week and what you saw in arkansas and use his campaign infrastructure to highlight workers and frame himself as the pro-worker candidate. as you mentioned, 19 candidates will be speaking here later today in downtown cedar rapids at the hall of fame event. several candidates will come downtown. it's a very busy event. as you note, there's a lot of attention. that recent poll just came out. i have it right here. you see vice president booiden with that first place lead. the rest of the candidates

chasing that second place. vice president biden will not be here today. listen to what one vote everir e about why. >> i wish he was here. i think he needs to be here. it kind of gives the impression he feels he can just coast to the nomination. he really needs to show us that he's going to fight for us, that he's on our side, and be like the other candidates are doing. >> reporter: now, vice president biden says he's with his granddaughter this weekend, at his granddaughter's graduation. this is going to be a very busy weekend. 19 candidates going to be speaking. they're going to have five minutes on the stage to make their case. downtown it's a big signage war. this is not the only event. sanders is going to march down with some of these people to that event. it will be a big show of force as many campaigns are doing here in cedar rapids today. >> you know what, i'm going to put good money on the fact that iowan with whom you spoke will see joe biden in that state at some point pretty soon. maybe not today, but there you have it. okay. joining me now, larry sabato,

director of politics at the university of virginia. hey there, larry. i've had your voice ringing in my ears all day as we've talked about the polls as being the snapshots. you often say this is just a snapshot, these polls don't really matter at this point. i still want to talk about it, okay? this new iowa poll with joe biden, who's taking a three-point dip in iowa. any reason for his campaign to have concern? >> yes. let me go ahead and contradict myself. that seems to be in among the candidates, so i think pundits should have the same right. actually, i think this is more significant than most early polls. it's not written in stone. it doesn't necessarily mean it's going to turn out this way. but it's another warning flare for the biden campaign. he has not run as tight a ship as he should have. he's made some serious errors. it's early, but the fact he's leading by so little in iowa, which contradicts the national

surveys, but iowa's first, means that i think biden is going to have to either focus a lot more on iowa or make it known that he's going to put his chips on new hampshire and south carolina. there are a lot of other candidates that aren't even measured here that may well start attacking biden directly, and they might be wise to attack some of the other finalists there in that top group of four or five. >> larry, when you say serious errors made by joe biden, does that include the reversal on the hyde amendment? if so, did it more about the way it was rolled out, or is it about the principle of what he's flipped to? >> well, again, all politicians are hypocritical to a certain degree. hypocrisy is the life blood of politics. having said that, an overnight switch, 180 degrees, on a subject that's been on your plate for decades really does

stick in most people's craws. he got it over with early. maybe it will be forgotten in time, but i don't think he handled that well at all. i think his own campaign would agree. >> okay. what do you think is behind the rise for pete buttigieg and elizabeth warren in these polls? >> they have been there campaigning a great deal, and they've gotten a lot of media attention for different reasons, but they also have been issue oriented. to iowa democratic voters, the issues really matter. they're not just looking at personalities. they're looking at the substance of the policies. so i think there's a lesson there for not biden so much as the other candidates because there are so many of them. many of them are terrific, alex. they're not getting attention. they're not even being considered. and they'd better start turning this around quickly because it could be over in the summer after the debates. >> but you know what, to that point about there being a lot of them right now, you've got 19

candidates slated to speak today at iowa's so-called hall of fame dinner for democrats. how big a deal is this? is it even, larry, a real chance for some of these candidates to make a bigger mark on the state, or are there still too many voices in the mix for one to significantly rise above? >> i think what you said in the latter part was absolutely right. there are just too many candidates. and people are looking for any reason to scratch somebody off the list. but again, there's time to change that. there is time to make an impression, a good impression, not just on iowa but on the country. but they have to work fast. going from coffee klatch to coffee klatch isn't going to do it. they have to find a way to crack the national scene, the national media. >> okay. first debates just over two weeks away. 20 candidates will be taking the stage, as you know. is this going to be the first point when the crowded field starts to narrow? >> well, you'd think so.

some of them are not going to do well. i'm not saying everybody is going to fall flat on their face, but some will, and some will make no impression at all. and that's a big hint that maybe they ought to start reconsidering their candidacies. i suspect their money raise willing fall off too. so the voters have a chance through money and also polls to give a hint to, i don't know, maybe half of the current group so that people can actually focus on ten candidates. >> yeah. i want to ask you, though, about maryann williamson. she's one of the 13 candidates definitely on the stage after meeting both qualifications. she joined me yesterday and was discussing her debate strategy. take a listen to what she said. >> as deeply, authentically, and honestly as i can, have a deeper conversation about what america really needs to look at. so no matter what the issue is, i want to try to pivot. can we talk for real, guys? can we have a conversation that is evolved beyond just the superficial issues and go into

the deeper issues? >> so what does a candidate like mar mar marianne williamson, what kind of impact does she have on the field? >> she's going to be lucky to get ten minutes, so when you put all the segments together. you have to make an impact quickly. she knows her fate rides on iowa. that's why she's moved to iowa. that can work. jimmy carter and his family essentially moved to iowa back in 1975. we know who became president in '76. but i don't think it's likely to work this time. people are used to candidates being there constantly. so she's a long shot. but the wonderful thing about these debates is it's going to give an opportunity for 20 candidates to take a shot and to grab people's attention.

>> okay. larry sabato, you always grab my attention. thank you very much. love listening to you. so now to another developing story. new battle lines drawn ahead of tomorrow's hearing before the house judiciary committee to examine the findings on obstruction of justice as detailed in the mueller report. tomorrow's hearing will feature former nixon white house counsel john dean, of course a key witness during watergate. and this morning, a member of the judiciary committee defended the hearing and the house speaker after she reportedly told top democrats she would rather see the president in prison after leaving office. >> i don't have any difficulty with those words. no one is above the law. that's the purpose of our hearing monday. these are criminal acts. obstruction of justice, clearly impeachable offenses. so it's kind of rich to hear the president complain about this when he began a campaign with lock her up. >> and top republicans claim the public is closer to seeing documents that would discredit the origin of the mueller investigation, that we remind you did not start from the

so-called steele dossier. >> we'll start to see additional documents come out this week. whether it's the declassified documents or not, i'm not sure, but i can tell you that i have looked at documents at the department of justice, as has jim jordan, and what we saw was a very clear indication of severe credibility issues as it relates to the dossier and christopher steele's credibility. >> meanwhile, the trump administration is defending the immigration agreement that averted the president's tariffs on mexico from starting tomorrow. "the new york times" reports that the agreement consists largely of actions that mexico had already promised to take in prior discussions with the united states. >> how much of this is new? >> all of it is new. i mean, we've heard commitments before from mexico to do more on their southern border. the last time they deployed down there is about 400 or 500 officers. this is more than a tenfold commitment. mexico came to the table with real proposals. we have an agreement, that if

they implement, will be effective. >> joining me now, jane newton small and john harwood. welcome to you both. john, your thoughts on what we know about this deal with mexico. is there anything substantial that could bring down the recent surge of undocumented migrants? >> well, it's possible that a significant increase in troop presence by the mexican government could have an effect, but i think overall, this was a manufactured crisis by the president with these tariff threats. yes, there is a problem on the border. tariffs weren't going to have much to do with the solution. the mexican government had previously agreed to take some of the steps they've now announced. nevertheless, the president drew a lot of tension to himself. he alarmed the financial markets. he alarmed fellow republicans with a tariff threat. now that's gone. that's a good thing for the economy. now mexico and the united states can work together and try to

stem the flow of these migrants. we'll see how effective that can be. >> jane, the acting homeland security chief, we heard there this is all new, this deal that's been made. is that really the case? >> alex, no. "the new york times" reported this morning, or actually yesterday afternoon, and a lot of other outlets have followed to say, look, the biggest pieces of this deal actually are not new. that is the idea that mexico is going to allow the migrants who are coming into their country to stay there and give them benefits, potentially help with food and aid and shelter, while they're processing the asylum requests with the united states. now, that is not new. that actually happened in december. a very painstaking agreement negotiated by former homeland secretary. so the fact that it's being announced now is new is just another sort of trump saying, hey, look, we've got a deal. we should celebrate this deal,

we should -- and it's him promoting something that isn't necessarily huge news, as big news to his base is sort of claiming victory. >> okay. i want to go on to the topic of impeachment. what is the threshold for impeachment? here's what she said about it. >> i feel really good about the direction that we're headed. we have these lawsuits that are moving in the right direction and have been -- have had fai l favorable rulings towards us. i think we have to let that play out before we take the next step. no matter what happens, we will not get an impeachment as far as a removal from office if we don't have the senate. i see a true constitutional crisis if trump defies court orders. i think that's the one thing we cannot stand for. >> that point right there, john. is that a fair line to draw? right now you have 60 democrats who are absolutely ready to go on impeachment. what do you think is the best

approach at this point? >> the threshold for impeachment is keeping people like katy hill happy, keeping people like abigail spanburger in virginia happy. these are people who held districts that would be vulnerable with an impeachment vote now. they want to have a clear predicate laid. there's no doubt in my mind that most democrats believe that the president should be impeached and that nancy pelosi believes that as well. but she also wants to protect her majority. she wants to protect the prospects for democratic presidential candidate in 2020. so she wants to slow this process down to make sure that the public follows along and that they don't alienate people they're going to need to take power and keep power in 2020. >> yeah, but you know, jane, congresswoman hill is one of 45 democrats interviewed in this "washington post" article. it was highlighting the big divide within the democratic camp. you have some of them in pelosi's camp.

some are in the middle. and some are absolute die hard on impeachment. at this point, pelosi appears to be holding the line on impeachment, but for how long? >> that's her challenge, alex. she certainly said she wants to see these investigations play out, already happening in congress and in the courts. that's been her case to sort of say let's take a wait-and-see stance, and if there's more that comes out or more that we find that makes it a case that rises to something that's impeachable, then we'll move to do that. but he hshe has to protect thos members in vulnerable districts to protect her own majority. likewise, they have to make the case in these districts and these state that are swing states that they're not going to do overreach, not going to reach too far in their political power. i think for a lot of polling, americans think moving towards impeachment right now is a bridge too far. >> all right. always good to talk with you both. thanks, guys. how democrats are already laying the ground work for a legal case against the president and why it could all hinge on

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right now house democrats gearing up for key hearings this week to examine the findings in the mueller report. this as the house also prepares to vote on whether to hold attorney general william barr and former white house counsel don mcgahn in contempt of congress for failing to comply with congressional subpoenas. joining me now, virginia representative jer r

representative jerry connolly. good to see you, congressman. >> good to be with you, alex. >> let's get to that contempt vote, sir. set for the full house this tuesday. it may not be the only one this week. i know your committee chair, elijah cummings, has threatened contempt votes against the attorney general as well as commerce secretary wilbur ross, this for missing a question regarding census. what will be your vote in all of this? >> i believe we will, absent some kind of last-minute agreement by the department of justice, and i believe it's well deserved. i most certainly will support a motion of contempt because i think both attorney general barr and particularly secretary ross have engaged in very duplicitous behavior with respect to the committee and the congress. they need to respond to subpoenas. those illegal documents, mr. barr in particular, he's the chief law enforcement official of the united states government, to defie a legal subpoena,

you're an officer of the court. that's an illegal act, in my view. >> so what happens next if these votes are successful? >> well, there are two tracks they could go on. probably the likeliest track is going to be to go to court and get them enforced. as you know, i favor reviving inherent contempt, which is a process whereby congress enforces its own subpoenas through the powers inherent in the legislative branch. we've used them before. i think it's time to revive them again. >> okay. your colleagues in judiciary, they are holding one of the big hearings this week. among their witnesses tomorrow will be former white house counsel john dean, of course, who worked for president nixon during the watergate scandal. what do you want to hear from him? >> i think all of us want to hear as sort of the pivotal witness who changed a lot of minds about what watergate really was all about with his,

you know, memory and his very cogent testimony before the watergate committee, how does he sort through what we're going through now? how does he read the mueller report? now, mr. dean is a lot older today than he was when he testified in the 1970s before the watergate committee, but i still think he has a lot of mental acuity and a lot of insight that we can benefit from. and it reminds people about how important the process was before we ever got to impeachment. >> look, i'm not disregarding, sir, your perspective on this, but i will share we spoke with one of our legal experts in the last hour who said testimony from john dean is not going to move the ball forward, in her opinion. she thinks it's time to subpoena robert mueller. that he needs to answer the questions. so why not subpoena mueller? >> i don't think it's an either/or proposition. i certainly would agree that we need to hear from robert mueller. if that requires a subpoena, so be it. i guess i have to be honest with

you. i was really struck by the hubris of mr. mueller in his press statement where he took no questions in asserting that, a, his report spoke for itself, which is patent i untrue. and b, he wasn't going to answer any questions and preferred not to have to go to congress at all. you're a public official. you wrote one of the most consequential reports in the last 40 years. you need to be accountable to the public. >> she believes that -- she said, you know, bob mueller plays by the rules. if he gets subpoenaed, he's showing up. do you think that's the case? >> i do. especially once he becomes a private citizen. he may be a reluctant witness. by the way, he may not be a very good witness given his apparent hostility to the idea that he would be held to account in the public venue before the united states congress, but we absolutely need to hear from him. it is his duty to be heard.

one way or the other, we're going to hear from him. >> but she made the position that -- i challenged her by saying, look, bob mueller has said my testimony is this report. she said, but there's value to be added to him saying, verbally saying, okay, yes, on page 12, it is reported that don mcgahn said this, that, or the other. is that how you see this going? >> i do, but i guess i go back to the first part. he doesn't get to decide that. you may be, you know, robert mueller, but you're a public figure. you're a citizen of this country. and you are subject to the laws of the country and to, including the subpoena power of the legislative branch. you're not immune from that. you don't get to decide the terms and conditions in which you'd make yourself available, not given the role he's played. >> all right. let's get to to impeachment. sensitive subject that it is. over 60 o of your colleagues in the house supporting at least opening an impeachment inquiry. where, sir, do you stand on the

issue, and where do you think the debate goes from here? >> i would have told you before the issuance of the mueller report that i'm very reluctant to even go down that road for lots of reasons. after the mueller report and after the decision by the president to tell his officials that he would defy all subpoenas issued across the board, whether they're related to the mueller report or not, those two developments have pushed me very much closer to the impeachment camp. i'm not there yet, and i certainly agree that the speaker is playing a very important and useful role in reminding us of the perallils of this process a the political fallout and the fact we're so close to next year's elections. let's let the investigation play out and see their impact on the electorate rather than go down the route of impeachment. but i will tell you, when i think about the fact that i took an oath to defend and protect the constitution of the united states, not my party, and not

even the speaker, it becomes increasingly difficult given the facts in front of me. >> so i'm sensing that you fall in this middle camp. and what i mean by that is what "the washington post" did when interviewing 45 democrats. they broke it down to their positions on impeachment. there are three categories. first up, the waverers, those torn between house leaders who impose impeachment and their base, which demands it, or perhaps in your case, sir, as you think about the principled aspects of all of this, the skeptics, who fear impeachment will be a political victory for the president and finally, the die hards, who are absolutely determined to impeach this president because they think he's a singular threat to the republic. is this an accurate reflection of your party's stances? >> i think that's probably true. i was one of the 45 people interviewed by the post. i'm definitely in the category of wrestling with this because the mooumer report is anything but what was described in the barr four-page summary.

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our simone boyce was there. >> we live with this 24/7. we get calls in the middle of the night that we've had a vehicle drive through and the border fence is down. you have to keep yourself at a constant heightened awareness. >> reporter: if russell, his wife brandy, and their two kids lived somewhere else, they might be able to talk to some homeowner's association to beef up security. but out here, they're at the mercy of the federal government. >> people tell us we should move if it's so bad. i sit here and see stories about gang violence in cities or gun violence in cities. like, i would definitely be for them having better safety and security in their own neighborhood. >> reporter: according to border control, apprehensions here in the el paso sector reached a ten-year high this year. so what do ranchers see as the solution? >> we would like to see a physical barrier. that's what's needed. the next is boots and technology on the ground. but along with that is going to have to come some immigration reform. and that's what's frustrating to

us. this issue has become so politicized, and we feel like we're just the pawns sitting in the middle of this thing. >> and joining me now, seimoimo boyce. so glad to have you part of the family here. what we saw was just part of your report. what are the biggest concerns for ranchers when it comes to their safety? >> alex, that's right. these ranchers that i spoke to, they do feel unsafe on their property, and they say that's because they don't feel that their property is secure. there are several different types of barriers on russell johnson's property, that's the man you see there in that video. and in some parts on his ranch, which spans eight miles along the u.s./mexico border, there's only a barbed wire fence. as he mentioned in that clip, sometimes there will be groups of migrants coming through his property in a car, and they'll drive through the fence, and that means that cattle he owns could be going over to the

mexico side. it also just presents a great unknown for russell and his family. he has two small kids. we do know that there can be a criminal element mixed in with these migrants who are coming across the border. he's concerned about smugglers. he's concerned about whether the people who are on his property, crossing through his process might be armed. >> yeah. so he talked about a physical barrier, gave you all the reasons you've just articulated for why he wants that, but he also says he wants immigration reform. what did he see as being the solution for that? >> so a wall, to russell and several of the other ranchers that i spoke to, is an aspect of immigration reform that they would like to see. i think they agree with the president that there is a crisis at the border. they agree with cbp officers that the system is broken. so they would like to see a physical barrier, and russell is

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immigration, top of mind at the white house this weekend after reaching a deal to avert mexico tariffs. the president is pushing back against "the new york times" report titled "mexico agreed to take border actions months before trump announced tariff deal." in a series of tweets, he's called it a false report. nbc news confirming most actions were previously agreed to in principle by t principle while the final details were expanded and solidified last week. meanwhile, house speaker nancy pelosi blasting the president in a statement saying threats and temper tantrums are no way to negotiate foreign policy. let's bring in democratic strategist don calloway, msnbc contributor adrie nne elrod, an amy tarkanian. amy, you're a long ways away, aren't you? not in your usual spot of las vegas. >> yes, i am. i'm actually in tel aviv. >> pretty great. so don, to you first. how are americans going to

interpret these diverging stories in the aftermath of this deal? >> you know, i think it's pretty clear that the president lies. i would like to believe some of the stuff that he says, but he has a track record two years going in now of not really telling the truth about everything. and nancy pelosi has her partisan bent, of course, but we don't have a track record of nancy pelosi not having the kind of voracity we hold our leaders up to. again, i'd just like to point out, all the stuff the president calls fake news, this is "the new york times." this is "the washington post." professional news organizations full of professional journalists who are not putting their lives and careers on the line to make up stuff about the president. so i imagine that the american people will believe it, but unfortunately, trump's base will not matter at all. >> okay. so i was going to say it's just all about the base for the most part. >> doesn't matter, yeah. >> amy, the president tweeted that former president obama would have been hailed as incredible if he'd made the same deals at the border and for the economy. what do you make of his

insistence on shaping this narrative for himself since he's not satisfied with the media reports, and what effect does it have? >> well, i do believe that he's correct in saying that. in saying that. it's interesting, since i have been in israel, i did give a few of my friends heads-up notice they was going to be appearing on national -- united states national television this evening. a couple joked and said, oh, is that fake news that you're going to be appearing on? it's now become an international joke almost. the israelis here love the president. i know that back at home they were happy with some of the things that president obama did, but for the most part, they feel the very same that most republicans did, that president obama was very well taken care of by the media, by the left-wing elitists, especially in hollywood. and it's not the same skies for president trump. >> okay. but can i ask you, you appear on my show all the time with me.

do you think you're talking to fake news? i mean, do you agree with this president? >> no. no. i do not believe that i am on a show, such as yours with fake fake news. that's why i enjoy coming on your show. i believe there are other so-called journalists out there that are out there just for their own narrative. and it's not always the correct narrative. you are definitely not that. >> okay. enough of that. everyone's going to go, great, alex, you're looking for people to say nice things. >> no. >> here we go. what is your take on the president's motivation for these kind of tweets? do you think it's fair that immediately assume that he started the tariff fire just to be able to be the one to put it out so to speak? >> absolutely, alex. this is par for the course with donald trump. he creates crises that -- then he can go and become the hero of the day in his own mind and solve. this is a prime example of that. he slapped tariffs on goods -- talented to slap tariffs on

goods coming from mexico for no reason except that he's throwing his tantrum about the situation at the border. which by the way, there is a problem at the border, no question about that, especially when it comes to children being separated from their families and not being reunited under the trump administration. so you know, again, this is something that he does where he wants to be able to go back to his base and say, listen, guys, there was a crisis here, but i solved it. we now won't have to worry about tariffs being imposed on goods coming in from mexico which is ludicrous because, again, that was something that we didn't need to worry about in the first place because he created it. and you know, when it comes to actually the implication in terms of how this will play in terms of 2020, this does not bode well with independents, it certainly doesn't bode well with corporate america and with republicans who are business-friendly republicans. it does maybe play well to his base, but even then we know that if the tariffs had been imposed it would have been affected, adversely affected, many working class voters who support trump in 2016. so you know, again, i think

trump got in way over his head when he came out with these -- this teammaariff proposal. he angered a lot of people who supported in 2016 and who he needs for election in 2020. >> don, i was watching your face. it looked like you were nodding gently in agreement there. do you agree with all that was said? >> i do. this is just such a juvenile exercise in global diplomacy. adrienne is right, it's a tax, it will be -- the corporations won't absorb it, manufactures like ford won't absorb it, they will pass the cost to customers. >> is that the reason he made the deal? it's not a profound deal. >> it's not a profound deal. he made this directly so he can talk to his base and say, i'm protecting you against china with the aluminum tariffs, with mexico immigration-based tariffs. he's talking specifically to a slim segment of his base, the

american public, and it's not grown-up diplomacy. it's not grown-up policymaking. that's the danger of it. we try to detach our silly politics from global diplomacy, and he's bad at it. >> amy, there was a bit of a role reversal this week when speaker pelosi reportedly said she'd rather see the president in jail than impeached. and the president and reporters were reacting with outrage. despite what he's said many times about hillary clinton, for example. let's look back at those moments. >> she should be in prison. she should be in jail for what she did with her emails, okay. she should be in jail. hillary clinton should have been prosecuted and gone to jail for what she did. she gets special treatment under the justice department. [ chants of "lock her up" ] >> lock her up is right. >> do you see the hypocrisy here, amy? >> i don't agree with it on

either side, quite honestly. it doesn't accomplish anything. we need focus on making sure that we can move forward with legislation. we seem to be stuck in this battle of who can say the worst things about the other side, the most often, to basically put a knife in the heart of the voters and to instill fear in the voters. one way or another. i don't think that we should be focusing honestly on maybe the way that we feel about one another, but we need to focus more on policy. and i don't agree with it on either side. >> last word to you, amy -- adrienne, do you wish that we weren't even talking about this? do you wish that nancy pelosi hadn't gone there? >> no, i'm glad that nancy pelosi went there. what she is simply saying is that no citizen is above the law, and that includes the president of the united states. so that is the point that she's trying to make here. and i got to tell you, i'm glad, alex, that you play these clips

of donald trump. he's being hypocritical chanting "lock her up," that was a common theme we heard constantly not just by donald trump but his surrogates. i'm glad you played the clips to remind your viewers about the rip case that we're dealing -- hypocrisywe're dealing with. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> thanks. ahead, a missing hiker's six days of hell lost in the wilderness. days of hell lost in the wilderness when you shop for your home at wayfair, you get more than free shipping. you get everything you need for

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