>> would you consider that grounds to launch impeachment proceedings? >> it has nothing to do with any campaign. i want you to understand that. as we go down the path to seek the truth and hold the president accountable, it has nothing to do with politics. >> good morning and welcome to "am joy." i am here in miami this morning. maybe it is the son. i was just in london, so i'm not used to bright sunshine at the moment or maybe it is just the times we are in. i am going to come out and admit, i am completely plumanced. you just haefrd nancy pelosi say she believes the president doesn't know right from wrong and that he is involved in a cover up and yet refuses to use the power given only to the

house of represents to check a president engaged in crimes. last weekend, on this show, you heard harvard law school professor explain that the house could in fact impeach the president on their own. they could indict him and try him in televised public hearings and deliver a verdict, a finding of guilt if that is what the testimony shows. they could tell mitch mcconnell. either way, if they choose to convict, they would have to be the ones to answer for the utter and total capity u lags to crumb p. trump would have to run for

reelection as only the third impeached president in american history. keep in mind, impeachment is not a magical cure or a way to remove him from office, not necessarily about removal. does any democrat really want to have a president mike pence? impeachment is a political sanction. it is the ultimate rebuke of a president who has been darrerl of his duty. the two presidents who were fully impeached were not removed. republicans impeached bill clinton on his way out the door after failing to be renonnominated by the democrats. he didn't run for reelection. impeachment would be a message to trump and future frezs from

congress that these are the red lines and if you cross them, you get indicted by the house and then you have to sit there as an impeached president and unless you resign, they get to pin that tag on you. but speaker pelosi still ses no, we are not doing that. we are doing legislation and closed door hearings where we'll have testimony in private. that's it. she is not bulging. for context, i want you to listen to what that press conference was in response to. take a listen. >> if somebody called from a country, norway. we have information on your opponent. oh, i think i'd want to hear it. >> you would want that kind of interference? >> it is not interference.

it is information. i'd take it. >> he stated on camera that he would do it again. the thing that makes up the enfi entire mueller report. if that thing happens again, he's going to take the help. why wouldn't he take it? willi william barr has turned the justice department into his private law office. his partner mitch mcconnell not only refused to stand with president trump in the 2016 attack. he refused to let legislation make it to the floor. tennessee attorney general did the deed. democrats who took back the house on the strength of

majority of americans are wanted. they kept puttering along for mitch mcconnell to kill in senate. saying, oh, no. trump shouldn't have done what he said. very naughty. they are all team trump. is anybody going to put a stop to this? >> our guests today. i'm going to turn to my friend here with me in miami. i really kind of now accept that this is the way it is. the speaker is not going to impeach donald trump. where does that leave the democrats? >> it leaves me in a very difficult place. let's start first with the premise, nancy pelosi is not the

enemy. the enemy is president trump and the republicans that are abetting donald trump. on the one check that the constitution allows the congress to do. by her delaying that, it is aiding and providing comfort to the enemy, in this case, donald trump. i think a lot of good intentioned democrats here are saying, well, speaker pelosi has a plan. the bad news is, there is no plan. i speak to congress on the regular. speaker pelosi sincerely believes that the 2020 election is the plan. unfortunately what that does is, assuming the benefit of the doubt that she is a reluctant

impeacher, that is dangerous. the clip you just showed america. donald trump saying the rule of law doesn't apply to me and threatening the war drums with iran. that is dangerous to allow that to happen for one more second. why is it demoralizing? democrats are saying aghast, what is this speaker doing? use the power we elected. why is it divisive, joy? over half of the 2020 democratic contenders have said explicitly, impeach the president now. the fact that speaker pelosi doesn't say that creates a clash. >> let me go to you on this. i want to get your reporting from d.c.

the whip count is that it is about 62 democrats that would like to begin impeachments. 62 democrats and one republican. >> that means a majority of her caucus does not want to begin with impeachment. i want to play the walk back. let's take a listen. >> of course you have to look at it. how are you going to know if it is bad? of course, you give it to the fbi or attorney general or somebody like that. you wouldn't have that happen with our country. everybody understands that. i thought it was made clear.

i said at the beginning. i think i said i'd do both. if you don't hear what it is, you don't know what it is. >> i'm coming to you. he said report it to the attorney general or fbi. can we now play the attorney general who says, we got to look at it. see if it is useful. here is the attorney general back in may. >> going forward, what if a foreign adverse arie, let's say north korea, offers the president candidate dirt on a competitor in 2020, do you agree with me campaign should immediately contact the fbi? >> if a foreign intelligence service -- >> yes. >> should they say, i love it. let's meet or contact the fbi. >> if a foreign intelligence service does, yes.

>> do democrats believe that. they call him the attorney for the president and not the united states. i think one of these things is not just that the votes aren't there but looking at some of the recent polls perhaps they are looking at that. saying that they don't have a public opinion and support for this. several have mentioned that.

already in june and in the third year of this presidency. the longer they wait, the more likely it is not going to happen. >> you've got ivanka and the kids making millions off the presidency and the hotel. $4 million just from the hotel. threatening to go to war with iran. i think there are some people in the middle. i think out in america that just

want washington to work. just get something done. they are sick of all the investigations. they are sick of everything. >> get something done like what? he won't even let bills come forward. >> i speak to the base nightly. the anger is building right beneath the surface who speaker pelosi who we like and respect is not hearing. i have people calling on the show who don't support speaker pelosi. there is a feeling they are being being elitist. a conservative republican is more in line with the democratic base than the speaker of the

house. they go why did we work so hard to flip my district. >> framers would come back and say, you see, this is why we put impeachment in the paper. i can assure you if 76 of the base would agree with you, they would listen. more democrats than those in the house have come out publicly. all we want is impeachment inquiry. we control the political

narrative. if not, what do you do? he didn't get penalized to that last time. >> is this going to be a base election or conversion? >> a base election. let me say it one more time. a base election. >> the majority of americans don't like children in cages, they still do it. why are democrats not as passive to their base. do you understand the strategy of saying you need republicans in moderate force but not worried about the base. >> president obama led by moral authority. he went to great pains, look at how the republicans acted. this idea that nancy pelosi is going to win and convert

independent trump voters or light republicans. mueller made it clear. he gave an impeachment preferal that triggers impeachment immediately. >> thank you appreciate it. we'll be back later. 2020 presidential candidates, cory booker. we'll ask him. we'll see what he has to say but our "am joy" experts are going to put the real danger into perspective next.

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if foreigners, russia, china offers you information, would you accept it or call the fbi? >> i think maybe you do both. i think you want to listen. if somebody called from a country, norway, we have information on your opponent, i think i'd want to hear that. >> you want that kind of interference? >> it is not interference. it is information. i'll take it. >> what does the kremlin hear? or other countries like israel

or uae or china hear? >> joining me now, author of "how to catch a russian spy." and other guests with us. including the host of the original podcast "the oath." i'm going to start with you. politic political and others have been reporting on the state of the fbi now that president is saying, yeah, i'd take this help again. it is fine. doing months of work. essentially inviting foreign spies and demoralizing the agents to try and stop them.

. >> i want to know if what you heard from donald trump with that interview was the kind of mind ses mindset or raised your an tenia in the first place? >> as you know, the standard for opening a case is when we have information that would indicate a threat to national security may exist. or a fed kreral crime may have n committed. the comments i heard only confirm the concern we had in may of 2017. >> what do you do right now? they were a little right the men

and women of our fbi and other organizations go to work everyday and do their job. this is not the first time the president has invited russia and will not be the last time. you cannot ride that roller coaster everyday. >> can i ask and i'm sure that is the case. they know donald trump went after andrew mccabe's pension. is there an internal lawyer. the threat of being investigated is real. >> it is real because it has happened to some people. the fbi is overwhelmingly career public servants who have been doing this kind of work for years. i don't think having been a part

of the department would make. >> that is good news. going to the other side of this. when russian agents hear. maybe i'll look at it to see if it is good first and then talk to my attorney general. what are they hearing? >> what donald trump said and what the attorney general said, it is a specific thing. donald trump said if i accept help from someone from norway. the attorney general said if you accept help from a foreign intelligence service. this is two different things. i've dealt with foreign spies. you are not necessarily dealing with intelligence officers or people who are actual government officials. what it tells officials and our

allies is if you send someone to get to a campaign and offer option research but they are not part of the government, it is a green light. that is tremendously dangerous. it invites in the spien world, we call travelers. >> as we approach our three-year anniversary, all coming up in a couple of months, in a month, isn't it the case that not just russians but any foreign government fully understands that they got away with attacking the government and that they ought to just try it again. the president is open to it and

the attorney general is open to it. >> absolutely. what you saw donald trump do the other day, is he confessed to s soliciting a crime. this showed his mindset and why he didn't talk to robert mueller. he wouldn't ar owe gently confess that these crimes are not crimes, there for he can now do them. he's open the panned ora's box. now private individuals have now been solicited to come to the trump team and bring any dirt whether true or not about joe biden, pete buttigieg, anybody else and there will be no representations and likely there

will be rewards if trump wins other election. he has solicited a crime. >> let's play something from earlier this week. >> he seems to have no concern about the consequences of an american president being beholden to a hostile foreign power. any foreign power that offers the president of the united states or his representatives information that helps him in his election campaign knows if that president is elected is in their pocket and they can manipulate hem, which may be what we've seen the last two and a half years. >> is there is no mechanism in our government that can stop that. if the president wants to create

an opportunity for them. stay at my hotel and do all of these things and there aren't really any consequences to it, why wouldn't the world kind of feast on the united states government? >> i think the world is taking out their fork and knife and getting ready for that. this president in every possible way has been making it really clear that he doesn't think the laws of the united states apply to him others saying, yeah, you've got to report this stuff to the nib we have this mat earn

here. most of my lifetime in the republican party that sought itself in law enforcement. to see this accepting plout of the law and the contempt is really just stunning. >> we know russia has an interest. are there others we think might come and try this? >> at this point, everyone might come and try it. the chinese they try it in a subtle way. you can expect the chinese to do it by soliciting individuals in the business world passing information on to them and then seeing them pass that on to others in the united states.

you just won't know it. it is just opening the world up to the entire process. >> and the bigger question, who is going to stop it. and coming up, they really oppose foreign interference but are really, really not going to do anything about it at all. that's next. let me ask you something. can the past help you write the future?

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if a foreign government comes to you as a public official and offers to help your campaign, giving you anything of value whether money or information on your opponent, the right answer is no. >> if a foreign agent approached me with anything, including but not limited to dirt on my opponent, i'd call the fbi. >> if a foreign adversary -- >> i would send it to the authorities, yes. >> republican members of congress sprinted to the nearest camera to make sure everybody

knows, they would totally call the fbi but since they now know donald trump is open to pulling a repeat of 2016 and taking help from a foreign hostile power to stay in power, what are they prepared to do about it. joining me now, my guests today. michael, i'm going to go to you first. mitch mcconnell this week put the move forward. marsha blackburn killed it. here is machine mcconnell explaining why no such bill is needed. >> this administration did a great job working with state and local officials to make sure we

had an honest election in 2015 with minimal to no interference. where is the applause for that? is i'm open to considering legislation but it would have to be in consideration, they want the government to take over the broad swarj because they they that would somehow benefit them. >> that seems like a pretty lame reason. he didn't exactly help. he revented the white house and talking about the benefit too. he wants to stand with trump. he has no interest. why is it that the leader of the senate is refusing to work

interference by a foreign power. >> i think it is worth noting there were incidents not necessarily of foreign interference but issues in my home town of people showing up to vote and being told they had already voted when they had not. it does raise questions about whether our states and localities are up to the task of getting this done. the senate republican leader is making a mistake by not bringing some form of bipartisan election proceedings to the floor. these are seriously problematic. we don't want to restrict people's free right of speech. the right of elections done by the constitutions. but there are ways we can improve a system that is terribly val nerable. >> even from a political

standpoint, the republicans running to the camera need to understand or at least look like they don't want foreign help. you've also had russians digging into the national rifle association. it would help trump help them. it does seem odd that leader of the senate is steadfastly refusing to do anything to stop this. on the other side, on the house side, he used to think the russians paid donald trump. here he is with statements. >> doesn't the president have to set a tone about what is right and wrong. >> the president has been clear. he does not want foreign governments to interfere. >> he said he would look at the information, listen to it, if there were a problem and go to the fbi. >> i'd watch the president. i believe he would always do what is writright?

>> does the president need to clean up this statement? >> last campaign, when he was approached by this, he did what is right? >> does the republican party risk looking like they like drup and will make it look right. >> they don't have to risk it. they are doing it. when president obama got frustrated, they howled and turned around and said, hey, you are not going to like it when a republican president acts. here we are. >> i think the dreamer legislation and trying to prevent deportation and people coming to the united states is

not equally the same. >> the point i am trying to make 1245 you are never going to always have your party in power. every country is interested in america. our military, economic influence, the cultural influence. everyone cares. even if somebody is our ally, them interfering in our election is not 100% in america's best interest. when you have an actor like china or other countries ibtser fearing with their own country's rights. it is important for america to

have an independent stance. one of the very fair criticisms of this president has been that he's often seen to soft pedal criticism where it would be very very warranted. he's got this wonderful love for the letters north koreans write him and affection for vladimir putin. it is concerning. >> the prif ot that republicans a are doing is to say, we don't want foreign interference by linds lindsay steel. let's play that. >> it is not okay for any public official to receive assistance from any foreign government whatever it is. i hope we'll do two things to

make that clear so you don't go down this road and look at what happened in 2016. he was a foreign agent paid for by the democratic party to do investigation on trump. >> we just heard kevin mccarthy say trump did the right thing in 2016. he didn't dot right thing in 2016. we've heard smefrl senators say before, of course, you shouldn't take assistance from a foreign government. we had the donald trump meeting with the russian emsarry who came them with a project described as a secret kremlin plot to help them. they embraced and sent a message. come on and help us. we don't mind.

all those guys saying, of course you wouldn't do that saying where is the criticism of what really happened and why with donald trump jr. comes to congress is he not put in a public hearing and asked about this. back to lindsay graham, there is no equivalence to hiring an option researcher to get dirt on their opponent between that and a foreign adversary coming to help you and you accepting that and you saying come on, let's do it. >> christopher steel was initially hired by republicans to get information about donald trump, not democrats. we'll come back. we'll have the panel all come back and we'll continue this

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dossier, fusion gps being hired, were the conservative founder of the "washington free beacon." in your wing of the republican party, the jeb bush/john mccain wing, and ultimately, once christopher steele was coming up with information that donald trump did have these longstanding ties to russia, that information was given to the fbi. so is it a weird place for the lindsey grams hagrahams of the land? >> i should probably start by saying i'm not related in any way to the mr. steele in question. >> you might want to make william barr aware of that so he doesn't come after you. >> look, there is an interesting line here. i'm not surprised that they go to this because the president always believes that the best defense is a good offense. you can't defend his actions or his campaign's actions with regard to russia during the 2016 campaign. so he wants to find a way to attack secretary clinton and her

campaign or those allied with her. i do think there's no question that hiring someone to do opposition research is a perfectly legitimate campaign function. there is no question that given the president's ties to overseas businesses, a lot of that work was going to be done by foreigners and about things that happened overseas, businesses and institutions. i do think there say legitimate argument that some of the information in the steele dossier was not accurate. some of it may have come directly or indirectly from foreign governments. and putting that out in the media was a mistake. and that people are concerned about that and don't want something like that to happen again. i think that's why most major media outlets when they became aware of the dossier during the campaign chose not to write about it or publish it or broadcast it until it got out through buzzfeed and spread wildly and that that resulted in the impact that we had to cover and talk about. >> and let me go to one of those journalists, david korn.

the steele dossier did become an issue, did become public, but the information in it that donald trump has these long standing affinities toward russia, that is relevant, shouldn't the public have had the right to know about that? >> it's a great question. i was the first guy to write about the dossier, i did it on halloween, a week and a half before the election. i didn't go into all the details of the allegations. i noted that it existed and it talked about connections between trump and russia and the fact that the fbi was investigating this, which to me was the big news of the moment, the fbi had an active investigation, which of course the public didn't know. the steele dossier now has been used, abused, and misused, by forces on the right, fox news, sean hannity, the president, to say this is the real scandal. and they've come up with so many different conspiracy theories, we don't have time to go through it, but they're basically trying to say the origin of the russia investigation was somewhat poisoned by the steele dossier, which isn't true because the

timeline doesn't match up. it's because they can't acknowledge, at least the president can't, that there was a scandal in 2016, that was russia attacking and the president basically aiding and abetting that attack even if he doesn't collude directly. they've been trying to do everything they can to cover that up and they've been misusing the steele dossier to do that and they're doing it today. >> sarah, you're a young republican woman, from florida, a different part of florida from me, the northern part. is this the party that you want? it's a party for now, for better or worse, associated with a sort of kremlin tinge in the form of the president and then everyone defending him on that. the nra being pulled into that same kremlin-y orbit. this is not the republican party -- is this just where we are? kellyanne conway being found to have violated the law, the president saying, that doesn't matter, we don't care about the law. what is going on here? what's going on with your party?

>> what's going on here? if i had the answer to that question. well, you know, i really don't even know where to start with that. i registered as a republican at age 18. and i always grew up thinking that, you know, the more that you allow people to control their own lives and make decisions for their own families and about their own economic interests, that that -- >> oh, don't get me started on abortion rights. you're taking me to the abortion rights debate with that one. >> umm, okay. well, let's just not even get into that can of worms. the one thing that drives me nuts about all of this is that one of the things that used to be the big point of pride, as somebody who went through college and law school as a republican, is that you were supposed to be looking at the constitution and the rule of law as the underlying principle that was the foundation for everything. and that the law applied to everyone. there's a reason that the statue of justice is portrayed with a

blindfold on, and that is that everybody who comes before the law, whether they are rich or poor, young or old, powerful or unknown, is supposed to be tr t treated the same. if you don't like the rules about foreign elections, if you don't like the hatch act, if you don't like these restrictions on your behavior, then change the law. there's processes for that. it's called congress. lobby them. ask them. write a bill. mail it over there. beg them to do something different. you don't just thumb your nose at the law and say, forget it, i don't want to play by the rules. that's not how the system is supposed to work. and i'm embarrassed that the republican party seems to be embracing that as a new motto. >> i feel like you're probably getting a lot of amen's from the audience for saying that. sarah, thank you very much. michael steel, david korn, thank you all very much. i appreciate you guys. coming up, presidential candidate cory booker joins me next. "a.m. joy," more of it after the

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if your caucus wants to go forward with an impeachment inquiry, would you go for it? >> it's not even close in the caucus. why are we speculating on hypotheticals? what we're doing is winning in court. >> if you really believe the president may have committed crimes in office, isn't it your obligation to mount an

impeachment inquiry? >> my obligation is to do whatever we do in the most effective way possible. >> good morning and welcome to "a.m. joy." donald trump's justice department is at it again. the barr doj released a 33-page memo on friday backing up treasury secretary steven mnuchin's refusal to hand over trump's tax returns which the law of the land explicitly states that the house ways and xhee means committee has the right to request and the government upon which shall, shall, turn over. the doj opinion argues the democrats want the returns for political purposes, not congressional oversight. quote, the committee's asserted interest in reviewing the audits of presidential returns was pretextual and its true aim was to make the president's tax returns public which is not a legislative legislative purpo

legitimate legislative purchase. barr's version of the justice department says the white house can create their own interpretation of what they think is legitimate oversight or not legitimate. joining me now is senator cory booker, a member of the senate judiciary committee and a 2020 presidential candidate. senator booker, thank you for being with me this morning. i want to go back to that question of whether or not anyone is going to enforce the law. the house ways and means committee can say the tax returns shall be turned over, according to law. now the white house says nope. >> what you're talking about is a crisis moment or even a terrace. the framers designed our constitution to have checks and balances. we're not an authoritarian government. we don't have a ruler. we have a president who is one of the branches of our government. we have a government designed to hold people accountable. no one is above the law. here we are at a major test of

our democracy, you have the president of the united states saying he's not subject to the law, not subject to the rules laid out in the constitution. that's unacceptable. if he is not willing to comply with the mandates of this democracy, he should be checked and held accountable. that's why i've shifted over recent weeks from someone who said, let's take our time, let's do an investigation before we get to the conclusion of beginning impeachment, and i've changed my opinion, because here is a president who won't allow us to continue that investigation, not allowing hearings, not allowing document to be released, not allowing congress, whose job it is to hold the presidency accountable, to do their job. i'm really one of those folks now who have gotten to the point where we need to begin impeachment proceedings, to have more power and legal leverage to hold this president accountable, as our framers intended. and this >> and you know, i played at the top of this block speaker pelosi

saying we're going to hold the president accountable through hearings and legislation. you are on the side of the growing list of democratic senators on the side of impeachment. what do you make of this disagreement between 2020 presidential candidates and senate democrats and the speaker? >> i have a lot of empathy for senator pelosi, i sat with her a couple of weeks ago. she has a lot of countervailing forces and winds and she will make her own decisions. i sat with my core team and i said, wait a minute, this is one of those moments, ten, 15 years from now, people will look back and said, when the president said i am above the law, i am in longer part of the constitutional framework, i am above checks and balances, my question to my team is, what will history say? having sworn an oath to uphold the constitution, to stand idly

by as the president trashes that constitution and wants to step towards authoritarianism, the politics may not be right for the democratic party right now, but in the long arc of history, i swore an oath to do what is right and the right thing to do is when someone wants to violate our constitution and not subject themselves to the checks and balances that we must hold them accountable. >> you say you don't want to get into the politics of it but i want to talk a little bit of politics for just a moment. i asked a great pollster down here in florida, whether he thinks the next election will be a base election or a conversion election, meeting the democratic contender needs to get their base out more or they need to more convert the other side. which do you think it is? >> i don't subject myself to the tyranny of the "or" that much. i think it's both. look, i'm running for president because i know i can fire up,

inspire, and engage our base voters. i think i can fire up and inspire african-american voters who we saw in the last election were pivotal in our turnout numbers and potentially changed states like michigan and wisconsin. i also know as a guy who ran statewide in new jersey where we have working class communities, more rural community, that we can convert a lot of folks, because as i travel around, farmers are so upset, not just about these trump tariffs, but also about the corporate consolidation that's changing independent farmers. factory workers who see this president barrelling toward bad trade deals that don't keep worker-focused. tax cuts to millionaires and corporations. the majority of the tax cuts, more people benefitted that are foreign nationals through things we've done for corporations than 50 or 60% of workers and people in our country. we can reach out to those voters. and so i'm in this not for a small election. what we need right now in america is a movement election.

not about one person and one office, but to solve the problems, yeah, beating donald trump is critically important, but that's the floor and not the ceiling. i'm running for president not just because i'm trying to get one guy out of office. but i think we need to build the kind of movement to create real change in our country and to pass that kind of legislation that empowers american workers. >> but -- >> gives people access to health care, affordable childcare, affordable prescription drugs. >> that's a very deft answer. donald trump probably hears every day from republicans who sneakily say, yes, sir, please sir, tariffs are not popular in their states, but he's running very specifically to fire up his base on one thing, immigration. and he knows that the vast majority of americans dislike and are disturbed by and in fact

horrified by caging children, taking babies from their moms, 24 migrants having died. most americans, most people in the middle hate that stuff, but he's doing it anyway because he knows he needs to get a strong turnout from his base. can the democratic party win in 2020 if their base goes in saying, we gave them power, they won't use it, if the base of the democratic party feels that the party isn't fighting and that they just want to try to throw legislation to mitch mcconnell for hill to kill, hhim to kill,u get a movement if the democratic base is dispirited? >> i agree that we don't win this election if we don't see record level turnouts in african-american communities, in base communities. we just won't win. that's one of the cases i'm trying to make right here. the record in turnout was created in '08 and '12, the two

highest voter turnouts, an african-american leader emerging in our party that spoke to the highest aspirations of not just african-americans but the country as a whole. we need an aspirational leader that will not settle for incremental change. we need massive change in america. in my block, i've lived for decades in an inner city black and brown community. in 2012 you still had shootings in my neighborhood, still had people who worked at full-time jobs but still used food stamps at the bodega. we need someone who can solve the problems of working, struggling folks, the attacks on union unions, the attacks on women's rights. this has got to be a referendum not on donald trump but on who we are going to be as a nation and who we'll be to each other.

>> in addition to that, 2012 and 2014 had a guy called mitch mcconnell doing mass resistance against president obama because mcconnell said this president gets nothing, doesn't even get a supreme court pick, because mitch mcconnell is now the fulcrum, as he put it, the dr. doom of anything democrats want to do. even if you became president, if mitch mcconnell is still the senate majority leader or even the senate minority leader and can filibuster everything, what will you do? >> that's what i say on the campaign trail. the democratic party doesn't need a savior, you can't sit back and wait for our one leader. democracy is a team sport. what i think we've gotten wrong in the past is that we elect somebody, a great leader, and think, okay, our job's done. we have to get back in this party to organizing a 50-state strategy. when i look at the -- just the demographics, just the populations of georgia to texas, they're blue states, but we

haven't done the hard work of organizing. look, i had to beat a massive statewide machine to become mayor of the city of newark. we didn't do it on one leader. we did it by building a resistance in newark from the grassroots up and won elections they said i couldn't win. and so this is going to be a time where we've seen what republicans have done, to go at roe v. wade. they didn't just start in the last election. they've been building towards that political strength for decade with a larger strategy and plan. one of the first things i'm going to do when i win in november of 2020 is not wait until 2021 to start acting. i'm going to start right there to say that all of the people, all the momentum, it's time to get back to work, because we've got critical senate races in georgia and texas, states that people think -- iowa, states that people think are purple to red. i'm going to show people, with 21st century organizing, the first ex-gener in office, because folks in my community

can't wait for this to be a cage match with mitch mcconnell and the president. if i'm going into a fight, i'm bringing a posse with me, we'll pass gun legislation, doing things people say can't be done. >> is mitch mcconnell a threat to democracy? you're in the senate. >> look, he's a guy that is right now doing things that are preventing change. even within his own party. we have good bills to lower prescription drugs. we got some people on the republican side on top of those bills. he won't let them to the senate floor. >> does that make him a threat to u.s. democracy? >> well, let me use just a more specific term. you used the larger term, democracy. i focus on people. when i got people in my community putting aside prescription drugs because they can't afford them, cutting them in half, mitch mcconnell is a threat to that because he's not letting us do the common sense things that will make drugs more affordable for people in my low income community. so he is a threat because he's

blocking common sense things that can make life better for struggling americans. and for that, i'm sorry. if you're going to block change to people that i've gotten into politics 20 plus years ago to defend in the central ward of newark, i'm going to fight you. that's why i'm in this election. i'm not in this election just to take one guy out of office. i'm in this election to take down all of those walls and barriers that are preventing democratic change, fair, equitable growth, empowerment of the people from happening. but i need help to do that. that's why i'm one of the people in this election saying, if you elect me, i'm going to come back and ask for more from you. not to put up with more, to deal with more corruption in politics, but i'll ask you to volunteer more, to serve more. ultimately power doesn't come from washington, it comes to washington by the people demanding it. >> we're out of time, but i'm going to sneak one more question in. you're on night one of the nbc news debate in florida.

you're with nine other people on the stage. you can see it there, julian castro, elizabeth warren. it's pretty stacked night. amy klobuchar, beto o'rourke. what's your strategy going to be on that stage with nine other people? >> what a great field of candidates we have, what an extraordinary opportunity for americans to see this. you know, we've seen this month already, all the candidates going out to florida, to iowa. i do very well as the headlines, the feedback we get on the ground, when i have a chance to stand with other candidates and demonstrate my truth, my candid talk to the issues, my vision for america. so i'm so excited about this opportunity, i look forward to sharing with the american public my passion, my ideas, my heart. >> senator cory booker of the great state of new jersey, thank you very much, we really appreciate you being here. we'll see you at the debate. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. coming up, our own mariana atencio is here to update us on the treatment of migrant men, women, and kids at the u.s./mexico border. we'll also talk about her great new book and you will not want to miss that. the lexus es...

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heart-wrenching stories continue to emerge from the border, ground zero for trump's family separation policy. "the new york times" has revealed the youngest known child taken from his parents was just 4 months old. there are so many migrant children in u.s. custody that they will now be housing on two u.s. military bases. the trump administration is quite literally repeating a devastating chapter in american history, detaining children in what was once used as an internment camp for japanese-americans in world war ii. mariana atencio, i want to talk to you about your book but i couldn't have you here and not take advantage of the opportunity of your amazing reporting skills. this border crisis is heart breaking as a parent, terrifying as an american. "texas monthly" reporting there is something called a human dog

pound, what they've described as a human dog pound, men huddled beneath makeshift shelters made from mylar blankets and whatever other things they can find to shield themselves from the sun, something called "the freezer" that i have heard from other sources that children are having nightmares about, they're put in this cold box. >> the kids, joy, that i have spoken to, they know the names in spanish for these places. they call them the dog pound, the freezer. these are some of the most vulnerable individuals in our planet that are walking 2,500 miles, fleeing violence through cartel territory. they reach the southern border thinking they're going to find refuge. and then they're put in these conditions. and then we are surprised that many of these children get the flu. and i just want to bring up devastating statistics, at least seven children, that we know of, mostly from central america, have died in u.s. custody since the trump administration took

office. and i know that, you know, when you say seven children, a stat is easy to brush off. but this morning i want to take the time to say their names. carlos, 16 years old. wilmer, 2 years old. juan, 16. philippe, 8. jacqueline, 7. darlene, 10. >> it's difficult to get through because you hear the names and you just almost can see the little faces. i remember going there and thinking, i can't believe this is happening in america. the base where now children will be held, and i want to make the point that per our reporters it will be run by hhs, it's on military grounds, but it also limits access because it's federal property so it means reporters like you can't get access to find out what these kids are going through. >> we've been requesting access. what you said about oklahoma, it's symbolic of one of the most shameful episodes in american history, the japanese interment

camps. the irony is it will now be symbolic of another shameful episode, the treatment of migrant children from central america by the trump administration. >> in 2014 there was that surge in children unaccompanied that the obama administration had to deal with and they tried various means of trying to deal with that, pulled back on anything military because it just doesn't work. now "rolling stone" did a piece about the culture of the border patrol. before he allegedly struck an undocumented guatemalan man with a government-issued ford f-150, matthew bowen sent a text about unauthorized migrants, calling them mindless murderous savages unworthy of kind liling for a f. it includes a request of the president, please let us take the gloves off, trump. >> it's something we've heard from this administration,

calling this national security crisis instead of a humanitarian crisis. you're right, it's a culture change. it's a word change. we're essentially, by calling these people aliens, by putting them in jails, we are depriving them of the very essence of humanity and not able to see the contributions they can make to our country. >> i want to turn to the book, because you have an incredible story yourself. a lot of our viewers just watch your great reporting and don't really know your story. i love the fact that you've written not just about your own originally, you've had a challenging journey, climbing, as a woman through color, and i can relate to this, in this business. >> it dovetails well with the conversation we were just having. i set out to humanize the immigrant experience in america, as an immigrant myself i wanted to dignify these children and these families. our coverage of the family separation crisis is in this book. being from venezuela, also i can

tell you that it was really polarization and hatred that tore my home country apart. and now that i've made this amazing country my home, i wanted to impart a message of unity, just as a reminder that we are more alike than different. i mean, it is a testament to the values of america. and when you look at what's happening to these kids and these camps, is this the best that we can do as a country? and then as a woman in media, i want to thank you, joy, i talk about you in the book, you've honored me by blurbing about it. i've found that it can be an isolating experience. and it is ambassadors like you that have lent us this platform to humanize and tell our stories so we can make a difference. so i that i you for spreading this message. i want to tell the folks at home, this book is doing so well, let's continue to spread this message of unity. let's continue to really shine a light on what the beacon of freedom, america, is all about. >> you know, this is a mutual

admiration society here because i'm a huge fan of mariana's. the reason i wrote the blurb is because you are a powerhouse. for a young woman of color, you're an inspiration. i want to ask you that question, for young immigrants in this country right now who are feeling afraid and are feeling rejected and are feeling that that beacon is turned off, right, what do you say to them as a woman with a powerful platform, not just here but on social media as well, what do you say to them when people ask you, what is america turning into? >> i say to them that immigrants represent the hope that america still symbolizes around the world. when i was forced to flee my country, i knew where i wanted to go, this country. the fact that i'm able to sit with you here on this platform, on this network, only ten years after coming here without a green card, english isn't my first language, is a testament to possibility in america. i tell young woman looking at me

today, your true power, your purpose lies in what joy represents, in what i represent, and i'm learning to represent, which is just be yourselves. don't be ashamed by your name, your accent, your background. that is the source of your power and your purpose and the way you will inspire others to be themselves. >> the book is "perfectly you," it's by mariana atencio. the subheading, which i love, is "embracing the power of being real," and she put "real" in another font so you will know you need to be super real. this book is great, it's a triumph. congratulations, it's doing super well, but we can make it do better, everybody pick it up. and thank you for your great reporting. coming up, we could not come to the sunshine state without talking a little florida. so we'll do that next. congratulations! congratulations! every day, visionaries are creating the future.

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it has been 1,095 days since our victims' families have been able to hug or hear their loved ones' voice. for our survivors it's 1,095 days since their life trajectory was changed forever. for our first responders, it's been 1,095 days since they faced the unfathomable, something you may train for but could still not have imagined. >> this week marks the anniversary of the deadly pulse nightclub shooting that claimed 49 lives and became the deadliest attack on the gay community in u.s. history. here in florida, governor ron

desantis failed to mention the lgbtq community in a proclamation acknowledging the anniversary. their office scrambled to put out a new statement including this line, the state of florida will not tolerate hatred toward lgbtq and hispanic communities. joining me now is florida state representative anna eskimati whose district includes the pulse nightclub and randy wolf, pulse nightclub shooting survivor. representative, i want to tweet your tweet you tweeted to governor desantis. you wrote, he stripped any mention of the lgbtq community, this is a whitewash and an insult to my district. based on these side by side proclamati proclamations, governor rick scott was a better friend to lgbtq community than desantis. the old proclamation, which said the entire state of florida has

come together to stand boldly against terrorism, the new one said, the state of florida will not tolerate hatred toward lgbtq and hispanic communities and we'll stand boldly with our central florida community against terrorism and hate. that's the old versus the new statement. the governor blamed a staffer for stripping out, for the original statement, not including the lgbtq community. what do you, as a member of the florida state government, make of the sort of kerfuffle? >> thank you for having me, joy. my first reaction is i'm glad they made the correction, whether they're taking full responsibility or shifting blame to a staffer, the fact that they knew that this was a poor decision that needed to be corrected immediately was something that left me pleased. but with another ask, for real policy change. words are important but action is much more important. >> what kind of policy changes would you like to see? >> we've been asking for years now for our state to not only

pass an executive order that would grant protections for lgbtq plus workers who are state workers but to also pass the competitive workforce act which would ban discrimination for being gay in the state of florida. right now we still do not have those protections. >> brandon, as a survivor of pulse, i understand you did get a chance to speak with the governor at the memorial for the pulse victims yesterday. would you mind telling us about that? >> yeah, it was a big deal. obviously that day was really difficult for me. it was difficult for a lot of people. and so to be there on that site, in that moment, was challenging. it was emotional. but after he had finished his tour with the owner of pulse, he turned and we had a brief conversation. i shared with him how much it means to the lgbtq community of florida to see a governor that is willing to pay respects, that's willing to show up to the site, and is willing to open a dialogue. but i also told him, you know, that we've had three years of

not being heard, that this is a community who has been in pain, it's a community who has suffered, and it's a community that is ready to have a different kind of relationship with a new governor. i really hope that that is the beginning of this relationship. i hope that this is just the beginning of a dialogue. he acknowledged to me that we have a lot of work to do but he also promised me that he would do everything he could to get it done. right now i'm taking that as an olive branch, it's goodwill, and i'm looking forward to further dialogues with him on how we can treat lgbtq people as people in florida. >> brandon, you're an advocate not only on the lgbtq issue but on gun violence, and this was a terrorist attack that combined the two. what would you like to see change legislatively in florida on both of those fronts? >> i lot need to change. to echo what the representative said, the florida competitive workforce act is an act that must pass.

in this state today 30% of floridians still can be fired because they married a same sex partner. they can be denied housing because their boyfriend or girlfriend might come over and have dinner with them. that's totally unacceptable in 2019. on the lgbtq front, that needs to change, we need to pass comprehensive nondiscrimination policy in florida. in terms of gun violence, we need to have a real conversation about universal criminal background checks. we need to have a real conversation about red lag flaws that would allow law enforcement to temporarily remove firearms from those who may be a harm to themselves or others. there are real issues where we can coalesce around. it's hard to remember sometimes that a majority of floridians actually support most common sense gun safety measures. you've seen, i know, ban assault weapons now is looking to put an assault weapons ban on the ballot as a constitutional amendment in front of voters. and a majority of people in florida support that. so i think as soon as we start having those conversations, we'll realize that a majority of us are on board with common

sense gun safety reform. >> i'm going to put both of you on the debate stage panel, i'm going to use my magical tv abilities. you are going to get to ask the question. i'll start with you, representative, you get to ask any question you want at that debate. when question do you want to hear asked? what question would you ask? >> i want to hear a conversation about access to abortion, to a safe and legal abortion. i've been very disappointed in some of the wishy washy responses from presidential candidate around this issue. here in the state of florida, we were the one state that did not pass any type of restriction on a safe and legal abortion. and i want to see, will presidential candidates be bold about the importance of reproductive justice in the platform. >> all right, brandon, you're on the debate stage, what would you want to have asked? >> not surprisingly, i want to know what candidates will do to protect lgbtq folks not just in florida but across the country. the trump administration, happily, as i told you last

week, sells their tacky t-shirts, lgbt for trump and parades themselves as pro-lgbt but the reality is they've been an unmitigated disaster for the lgbt and particularly the transgender community. i want policies that will reverse some of the horrific things like the military ban and the rollback of the equal access rule and will treat lgbtq people as the american citizens they are. >> i think those would be great questions to ask, hopefully the nbc heads are listening. representative, we know president trump is kicking off his pre-election campaign in orlando. if you had the president one on one, what would you tell him? >> it's right in our district and we'll have a counterrally to demonstrate how the values of central florida are the

antithesis of the values of donald trump. i would stress to him how offensive he's been towards the leaves of people who are different from him. myself, i identify as iranian-american. so i would ask him for a clear response on why doesn't he invite us as a part of his political platform. >> brandon, i'm going to ask you the same question i asked mariana atencio in the last block, and feel free to say what you would say to donald trump as well, but i asked mariana, she's an influencer both in terms of her news work, on social media, on all kinds of media. when she's talking to fellow immigrants, fellow brown girls, what does she say when they say, what is this america, what do

you say to them about what is this moment? what does it mean? and are people expressing to you that they are afraid in this moment? >> yeah, of course they are. and they have every right to be afraid. but, you know, what i tell them is there are a lot more people that are allies than enemies in this fight. if you ask people in this country where we're at, a majority of the people believe the country is ready for an openly gay president. the majority believe that lgbtq folks should be protected under civil rights law. a majority of people believe transgender americans deserve exactly the same rights as everyone else. so yes, the loud minority is loud, but there are a lot more allies than there are enemies in this fight. >> it would be nice if a majority of people voted. >> that's the next goal, joy. that's what we're working on. >> more than 60% in a presidential election, i should put it that way.

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at an ariana grande bombing. dean, tell us about what they did to you and the lawsuit you won? >> sure. first, i'm not flushing nazi money. i don't have nazi money coming out of the ying yang. we will try to collect it. but to be clear, this is all tied to donald trump and i'm not being hyperbolic. i wrote an article for the daily beast months before charlottesville and it was titled, why won't donald trump say the words white supremacist terrorism? and the reason was we already had three, four instances of self-processed white supremacists who killed americans. donald trump said he would says we can't defeat isis, radical islamic terrorists. i said say the word white supremacist terrorist, to this day he won't say. the response to my article the next day, the daily stormer named after one of hitler's

publications smeared me calling me a terrorist, mastermind behind the bombing of the ariana grande concert and most stunning fabricated tweets in their article whethre i claimed spoch for it and invoked my faith as a muslim. they put hashtags to make them look like real tweets and said go confront dean. >> and they hashtagged this show, didn't they? >> i had to testify about one of the fabricated tweets, #amjoy. they're like what is that and i said the best television show in america but i had to explain it was a show. they were using my tweets and deleting words to make it look real including hashtags i use like amjoy and put it in their article. and joy, so it's clear, the readership of daily stormer is

not arm chair white supremacist. they're people like dylann roof who 2016 killed nine african-americans in north carolina, guy names james jackson, who i wrote about in my article in 2017 came to new york from american to start a race war and killed an elderly african-american man before he was arrested. they had a history of that. when they say confront dean as a terrorist, it's not idle words or threats. their goal was silence me to marria marginalize my voight and thace to step up and file the lawsuit. >> you said, from my producers, daily stormer readers directed comments at me like, dude better die of natural causes before we get there. the dude just earned himself at a spot at the gallows and a photo of the person holding a gun directed at the reader captioned, hey, dean, look down this barrel and declare my gun is clear like a good terrorist,

would ya? did you fear for your life about this? >> i did. i had to contact sir yius xm an the daily beast. what if somebody that read this came looking for me and my family members. you get concerned when you your loved ones express concern about what's going on and stay safe. i have to thank muslim advocates that helped me bs, the chandra firm, which you know. >> yes. >> who helped me so much there. we are going to try to collect money. we have a judgment, $4 .1 million. the whole goal will be you're not going to make us cower in fear or hide in the shadows. we will take every dollar i have and every dollar of nazi money i get i'm giving to organizations run by the very people they hate, muslims and jews and lgbtq and african-americans to empower

all of us to use their money to despeet their white supremacist ideology. and to be clear, i wrote this in may 2017, the reason these guys love trump and andrew engle has written 100 articles literally praising trump during the campaign, trump gave them everything they wanted. he retweeted white supremacists with the name white genocide. he refused to announce david duke. he loves things like the muslim ban, building a wall, characterizing african-americans as low iq, dumb, unintelligent. right from their playbook. so to them donald trump is on their side and that's why i went after them and they came after me. so that's where we are in this country. we have to stand and fight for those people. >> i write about this in my book as well, he's called the god emperor on the neo-nazi right. even if they don't think he is leading them, he is.

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did not here but i'm just going to send i little comment back to you, how much miami clearly agrees with you, my friend. you look great and we can tell you're enjoying your time out there. >> thank you. >> thank you and good day to all of you from msnbc headquarters in new york. it's high noon in the east, 9:00 a.m. out west. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." rising tensions making sense of claims and counterclaims as the u.s. blames iran for an attack on oil tankers in the middle east. where does the truth lie? about face on accepting foreign election help turn, we will examine the serious implications. debate expectations after the lineups are set. here what the candidates are saying and both nights could be critical for some contenders. four years after the escalator ride that changed america, why the president is rejecting the idea polls show him behind in 2020. but we begin with new