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gram call or visit and that wraps it up for me this hour, i'm richard lui, for now i turn it over to reverend al sharpton and politics nation. good evening and welcome to politics nation. tonight's lead -- resignation. every time i open the show with some form of -- quote president trump crossed the line this week, i just as quickly find that the line has moved and while we resist, we also adjust. but this week, on the topic of
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foreign aid during a re-election campaign, president trump displayed the kind of self-preserving lizard brain that one would expect an incumbent president to at least try to hide. >> foreigners, if russia, if china, if someone else offers you information on an opponent. should they accept it or call the fbi. >> i think maybe you do both. i think you might want to listen. there's nothing wrong with listening. >> you can't that kind of interference in our election. >> it's not an interference, they have information, i think i'd take it. >> pay close attention to his use of the word "information." because he isn't talking about celebrity gossip or weak polling numbers, but intelligence, counsel from a foreign potentially hostile adversary. but for this president, the ends have always justified the means. and blurred the lines between
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wrong and right. true and false. well, we know he distinguishes between black and white. for example, the rest of this week. as u.s. allies ask questions, he blames iran with no public evidence, for the tanker explosions in the gulf of oman. he says kellyanne conway is staying in his white house, over the objections of his own ethics officials. he defends outgoing press secretary sarah sanders as a warrior for the truth. and still fresh on black america's mind. he is yet to apologize for his role in the central park five case. but i digress. because democratic house speaker nancy pelosi remains adamant that impeachment is a bridge too far. for her party in an election year. despite the growing clamor from her caucus. but -- we may be seeing signs
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that the dam is close to breaking. joining me now, patrice lee owuka, senior policy analyst at the independent women's forum. and christina greer, associate professor of political science at fordham university. patrice, is this not going too far for the president to suggest that there's nothing wrong, whether it be legal or not? there's nothing wrong with taking information from a foreign power, even an adversary? >> i think it's not a good idea, especially if the information could be dubious or from a source, that's questionable, like a foe. or a nation that wants to undermine what we're trying to do here in this country. but as you did rightly say, there's no legal mandate for a campaign to report any information they receive. it's a good idea, certainly. but there's no, there's nothing illegal about not doing it. i do think that you know, when
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we think about the election, the 2016 election cycle and we recognize that russia has always tried to interfere in our elections, they did not successfully do so in 2016. but it is important that i think campaigns recognize you know what, let me be careful about the opposition research that i know i'm conducting and where it's coming from. >> well there's evidence that they did use public media and other things and that they may have influenced the vote. >> but they did not change the results in the 2016 election cycle. >> we don't know that. if they used the social media and other forms, with fraudulent claims, thousand do we know it didn't affect voters? >> i think that's the crux of the democratic frustration right now. that there is still this uncertainty and we have another presidential election looming. i totally agree with patrice that it is technically for the president to get information from a foreign power the way he's framing it right now, is
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not necessarily illegal but we have certain norms in this country that this president has consistently broken. and this is, that interview with george stephanopoulos is reason 1080, why we know that his counsel would not allow him to sit down with robert mueller. because he cannot help himself. he's saying listen, if they interfere, i don't see what the problem is. his mobster mentality is such that if he can blur the lines of legality and if he can benefit himself, he doesn't fundamentally understand that that weakens american democracy. and this is what the framers have warned us about. and this is what essentially every president has had the decency, democrat and republican, to make sure that they didn't do in the past. >> let me take it a step further, patrice. wouldn't you, if you had a child that was going before a senate subcommittee. say that they were not seeking information and there are statements by people like michael cohen that the former attorney that has given a different light on that.
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why would you suggest in public that it's all right to seek information from an adversary? doesn't he in some ways indirectly confirm that in fact they were open to do that? >> well like the hillary clinton campaign, like many campaigns, people do conduct opposition research. >> we're not talking about opposition. we're talking about an adversarial nation that is giving information directly against your opponent. we're not talking about opposition reform, you look up. we're talking about russia that set up a meeting in trump towers to give information against his opponent. and he indirectly suggested, there's nothing wrong with that. >> well you know i think at the time the campaign said this is, another source of information, someone reaching out to us, with something, we do understand there was no information that was ever shared and so was that a mistake? i think that's for the campaign and for the administration to decide. but at the end of the day, it
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doesn't change the results of the 2016 election. and number two, i think it doesn't necessarily undermine this presidency. was it a wise decision at the time? probably not. i think with hindsight they would say so. but looking forward, which is where i think we need to be going now, we need to understand exactly how other outside nations may want to try to do this again. emboldened by what they saw in 2016. >> i think you're right. which is why i think christina, we need to find out what happened in '16 and it's not helpful when the president is normalizing that. saying nothing wrong with that. >> right. and in many ways suggesting, what's the big deal? >> right. i respectfully disagree with my fellow. this president has lied and cheated and stolen well before he got into the white house. and this administration has consistently lied to us, we know sarah huckabee sanders did that
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before she stopped doing her job 85 days ago. >> she's a warrior of truth for the president. >> is she, now, and i'm on the nba winning raptors team. i agree with patrice in the sense we do need to look forward. because 2020 is very dangerous. i think putin is emboldened. -day think they interfered in some way, whether it's social media. whether it's directly interfering with ballot boxes, because lots of states and counties don't have paper ballots any more. i think there are a myriad of ways that russia and other adversaries could have interfered. we still don't know. so moving forward if we're thinking about 2020, the fact that mitch mcconnell and the senate don't want to pass serious legislation that says, this is actually, it will be illegal and we will sort of prosecute people who try and interfere in our elections, free and fair election society is what differentiates us from despots and dictators and people who have zero democracies in their nations. the fact that we have congressmen, republican congressmen abdicating their
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duties to protect us and a president who says i don't see what the problem is because of his mobster mentality and courts who are abdicating themselves to the president, everyone is working for donald trump. this is beyond crisis mode and we're seeing a fundamental breakdown of norms of american democracy and we're realizing just how tenuous our american democratic system is. >> let me ask you, patrice, what christina just said. should mitch mcconnell and the senate and the congress pass a law that you are required, if an adversarial or a foreign government, period, tries to give you information you should immediately report it? should that be a law? >> i think it would be an interesting tool. certainly to insure that, that campaigns don't receive nebulous information. there's a reason why i think republicans chose not to pass that legislation that was introduced. and so it would be interesting to know why. >> that's good, now try to
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answer my question -- should it be a law? yes or no? >> i think it's up to congress to decide that. >> i'm asking you your opinion. >> i think it's important for congress to protect our elections. >> it should be a law? >> whatever i think they determine would be the best way to do so. there may be other types of election laws that are needed. >> such as? >> i would leave that up to the members of congress to determine. >> i mean -- either you're going to have a law that says you should -- >> we protect american democracy in our elections. >> you can't leave it up in the air, laws are very specific and i think that now this president has made this statement christina, wouldn't you think patriots would say wait a minute, we need to have definitive law here? >> i mean but we've seen -- >> all we need to say is it's all right for other countries to interfere. >> isn't that what we are saying right now? i mean -- that's, that's the senate -- >> i'm just going to disagree and say there's a difference between receiving information, which could be different types of information, versus interfering and i think there's
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a distinction to draw there. if a campaign decides that it wants to receive information and by the way this happens on the democratic side as it does on the republican side, then that's very difficult. >> if it's a law it would go for both sides. i'm saying if you get a call as we are told, that i'm going to give you some dirt on your opponent, should there be a law that says, you are required to, if it's coming from a foreign source, that you be notified? >> yes, because you know why this is what george washington told us we should be worried about in 1796 in his farewell address. it's one thing for someone from california to have a little dirt on someone who is a governor of colorado or a senator from new mexico. it is fundamentally different if russia or iran or saudi arabia or the philippines, you see where i'm going with the types of countries, then say -- actually i have dirt on your opponent. >> you should question what is their motive. >> exactly. >> i'm going to hold it right there. thank you, patrice and christina. coming up, all the talk about
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reparations for the descendants of slaves have somewhat stalled on the campaign trail. but is gaining steam in congress. how the house of representatives plans to tackle the issue. next, you're watching politics nation. the visionary lexus nx. lease the 2019 nx 300 for $359/month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. ♪
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this coming wednesday a house judiciary subcommittee on civil rights and civil liberties will hear testimony about the potential of giving reparations
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to descendants of slaves. the hearing day coincides with june-teenth. the day commemorating when the abolition of slavery in texas was announced back in 1865. so far the hearing has garnered a good amount of attention. celebrities such as actor danny glover and writer tehasi coates. the issue of reparations gained traction on the 2020 campaign trail as candidates attempted to address the wealth gap in the united states. but it's lost some steam in recent weeks. joining me now is democratic congresswoman sheila jackson lee of texas. she's the new sponsor of the house resolution to study reparations. congresswoman, in the april convention of national action network, i directly asked the candidates about whether they would sign the number 40, the
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bill you are now carrying for reparations, if in fact it passed the house. here's some of what they said. >> fellow texan, sheila jackson lee has proposed a commission to study reparations. if that passes and you are president of the united states, would you sign that bill? >> yes. >> 100%, of course. i would put $1,000 a month in the hands of every adult starting at age 18. >> i would. >> it went on and on. we wanted to raise on a presidential level something that for decades that i and many others have raised. and we had the candidates deal with it, they have not dealt with it since. hopefully it will come up in some debates. you are starting an inquiry in congress. what will happen wednesday? and where do you want to see
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this go? >> reverend sharpton thank you so very much. happy june-teenth from texas. we've been celebrating because we're gathering over the weekend. even though the official day is as you've said, june 19. this commission, and i'm delighted to have this bill and to push it into the 21st century, was first introduced in 1989 by my friend and colleague, the honorable john conyers. so as journalist coates, mr. coates who living lives in new york and will be a witness has indicated, we want this call for reparations to be a constructive dialogue on the impact of slavery and its aftermath. of racism, of the issue of discrimination on african-americans, to the, through the 21st century. we are well aware of the fact that there are those who would misunderstand us. we believe that this hearing, and the number of members of the united states congress coming from all over the country, who
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have now co-sponsored the legislation probably more than we've ever had, the fact that in one of the most powerful commit congress, the judiciary committee, will hold this professor malvo. to mr. -- the professor, that i've indicated, and as well, to have a video from john legend and you, reverend sharpton will be with us in the hearing room. to really give a very large statement. very large statement that we are serious about a commission that responds to the fact that this has been an official act by the united states government starting in 1789, that four million affectens and their descendants were slaves, as we look to martin day, over a million african-americans have been incarcerated, still remain
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incarcerated across this country. and that the disparities in education, health care and wealth as you mentioned, are great. so we expect this commission to be a scientific political, economic, sociological and psychological analysis of slavery to look for the best ways of responding to it. and finally, we hope that there will be an apology for the original sin of this nation and that was slavery. >> how do you see the makeup of this commission? i mean when we talk about a commission, what are we talking about? functionally, what will comprise of it? who will be on it? how do you envision this? >> this will be a very, very serious commission. there will be appointments made, 13 members, appointments made by the president of the united states, the speaker of the house. and as well, the leader of the senate. and then there will be six academic specialists, activists and long-time supporters of the quest for reparation. the criteria will include even
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those selected by the governmental officers will have to select people who have been long-time students and advocates, and scholars in this area. and committed individuals to really get to the solutions that we would hope to offer to the federal government, to act upon. this is a very serious effort. and it's really important, because as we begin this, we know we're going to hear from person who is will say -- they never had a slave. and my response to them is that if you benefitted from the wealth of this nation, if you now live in what is the wealthiest nation in the world, then you have benefitted from the institution of slavery. and the work of millions of africans who were not compensated. did not have workers relief. didn't have a pension. did not have health care. and who were treated brutally and families separated, that must be addressed by this country. and anyone who is here today has
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benefitted by the investment of that labor to create the wealth that's generated this wealthy country today. >> even today we still see blacks doubly unemployed to whites. in a good economy. we still see the wealth gap, we still see the gap in terms of education. health care, across the board. will this commission deal with how we close the gap that stems from when we were enslaved? and the 100 years after of jim crow legal segregation? >> reverend sharpton, you're absolutely right. we look to this commission to bring us from 1619, when african slaves were first brought here to the united states, 1789, when as i said earlier, it was institutionalized, in the laws of the land. all the way into the 21st century, defacto and in particular, we're not focused on payments, we're focused on ending the disparities, asking
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the questions and finding the solutions why a million-plus incarcerated persons happen to be african-americans. why there's disparities in education? why is there a need to continuously try to how should i say, stand up, excellent and outstanding historically black colleges? why wouldn't be that one of the relief we would look to where the black colleges, historically black colleges would never have to look a day at whether or not their doors were going to be closed and continue to educate the largest number of african-americans as they have done in the past. through those college doors? and then of course, health care, disparities that we have suffered from over the years. lack of access to health care. the wealth question, reverend sharpton is enormous. we never got the 40 acres and a mule. that's where the name comes from. general sherman, general sherman had planned to give out of 4,000 acres on the east coast, down in the south carolina and beyond, 40 acres and a mule. but one of the worst presidents in the united states, andrew
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johnson, at that time, decided to end that proposal. and that never happened. reconstruction, many people cite reconstruction. as a glorious time. it was, but it only lasted 12 years. what happened after that? >> johnson stopped that. i'm going to have to hold it there and we look forward to the hearing on wednesday, thank you congresswoman jackson lee. sorry we're out of time. >> thank you, we'll break the chains. coming up, this father's day weekend i have a little advice for the president -- from one father to another. be right back.
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member to president trump -- a message from one concerned father to another on this father's day weekend. this week, your namesake, donald trump jr. went in for another round of senate questioning. again over the account he gave to robert mueller about the aborted trump tower moscow deal. which your former fixer, michael cohen, claims was a family
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affair. with both junior and your daughter, ivanka, well aware of what was going on and going down. while adding that you were fully up on what junior was doing to beat hillary clinton. with russian help this was the fourth time your boy, i'm sorry, your 41-year-old father of five, was hauled in to answer those interactions. and he walked out with the smugness that seems to be a trump family trademark. claiming that he was quote not at all worried about perjury. he immediately got back to the business of being a trump. taunting the lone house republican calling for your impeachment, with a fake primary challenge. all because he dared to diss dad. in short, acting like a nasty jerk, immune both to decency and consequences. like father, like son. on this weekend, father's day weekend, going to give you some
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holistic advice. because family is important, i spent the whole of my two daughters' lives in the public eye. on the front lines of a struggle that has at times, literally threatened to take me from them. it's because of those hardships, that i've come to respect the power of a father's example, even more so. see, you fashion yourself, this consummate puppet master, able to bend the world and the white house to your will. largely on the strength of your personality. and i can't dispute that for the most part it worked. but like children do, your adult sons and oldest daughters have mimicked your example and i'm here to tell you mr. president, they ain't you. if you care at all about them, as these federal and congressional investigations continue, and you're tired of getting caught up in fires they start -- do what fathers do -- take away the matches before they burn your white house down.
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we're now officially 11 days away from the first primary debate of the 2020 campaign. the event will span the course of two nights, june 26-27. each night will feature ten candidates who have met the fundraising and/or polling thresholds that was set by the democratic national committee.
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keep an eye on joe biden as he squares off against kamala harris, and bernie sanders on night two. you can watch these debates live on those nights at 9:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc, nbc and telemundo. the 2018 mid terms marked a huge turning point for women of color in congress. they now hold 47 seats, comprising 8.8% of the full house. that's up from 7.3. just a year before. two had are leading the charge for more women of color in congress join me now. long-time congresswoman barbara lee of california. and freshman democratic congresswoman ayana presley, the first black woman to represent a district in massachusetts. congresswoman lee, you and congresswoman presley just led a conversation there in oakland, california, around getting more women of color to run for
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office. tell us about the conversation and the conference and what you hope to achieve? >> it was a great conversation and it was moderated by amialson, a great hero of ours, she-ro of ours from she the people. what we talked about was not only what some of the barriers are to running for office as it relates to women of color, especially african-american women. but we talked about the reasons and why it's essential that we not only have a seat at the table, that you remember shirley chisholm said, if you don't have a seat at the table, bring a folding chair. so we brought our seat and we're here to stay. it's so important to have the seat at the table so we can move forward with our policy agenda, reflecting new ideas, new perspectives, and really, become the women who bring back the soul of america and women of color can do that. >> congresswoman presley, i remember when i was 17, i was a
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youth coordinator for shirley chisholm's race for president, i watched her a few years before that become the first black woman in congress and i see you sit there, captivating national attention as a freshman. what do you think is the reason that young women like you of color have stepped forward, raising the amount of black women and other women of color in congress, and what needs to be done to encourage even more? >> well i think it's really simple and you know shirley chisholm said it best. she said she wanted to be remembered as a black woman who dared to be herself. more women, more women of color, more black women are raising their hand. standing in spaces, owning it, uniquely and authentically as themselves. and wanting to bring to bear their full contribution. and i'm certainly excited and encouraged by the opportunity to have a greater parity, leadership parity and representation around policy and decision-making tables in the corridors of power. but there are women leading women of color leading black
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women, in community, every single day. so we need to see that bold activist leadership on all fronts fronts, to resist and be an affront to the insults and assaults that we are experiencing every day. including when it comes to health care. >> congresswoman lee, you and i have been out on the public sphere a long time. and we, one of the unsaid things is misogyny, even in our own communities and movements. i know as a kid even in the civil rights movement, women were not given parity by black men. and the march on washington on '63, on and on. and yet you're seeing now that it is black women that came out with the vote in alabama. and black women around the country. are you seeing an increase in black women receiving the kind
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of respect and the kind of partnership that they should have always had in political and social leadership in the black community? >> yes, black women have said enough is enough. and secondly, let me just say that african-american women, as you know, have been the most consistent and most loyal voters of the democratic party. we have elected candidates time and time again, black women now are running for public office and they are winning. and that's because we are definitely supporting african-american women, and their voices are being heard. and the democratic party has to realize now that we're here to stay. and that we're not going anywhere and our issues are going to be on the table, whether they like it or not. so this movement is a movement that can't go back. because black women are not going to go back to those days that we remember so well. and so this is forward ever,
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backward never. >> congresswoman presley, there is a difference. i want you to understand, we have the problem of gender equality. but then there are distinct problems when you deal with the gap between even how white women in terms of income and health care and others, fare compared to black women, there's a gap even in the, the women's movement. and in how women are treated differently when you're a woman of color and when you're a white woman. how to we deal with that without being divisive on the agenda issue? >> i appreciate the question very much. i think how we deal with that is again we need more women of color, more black women to step forward and to raise their voices and to lift up their lived experiences. we need to be intersectional, and inclusive in our coalition and in our movement building. so we can understand that yes our destinies and our freedoms are tied. but there are disparate outcomes, from equal pay to
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maternal health care to reproductive justice, to feeling safe in community. to the wealth gap. so i think in order for us to advance, you know i have a long had a problem with that phrase, a rising tide lifts all boats. it depends on what boat you're in. >> you could drown in a rising tide if you're in the wrong boat. >> some people don't even have a boat. so this is why i'm so grateful for the visionary leadership of people like amy allison and the mentorship of congresswoman barbara lee, who are making sure that our issues are at the fore. black women have a long history of being the table-shakers, the disrupters, the seekers of justice, the truth-tellers, the preservers of democracy. and now we're doing that in the corridors of power. and around policy and decision-making tables and it's high time that candidates are paying attention. this is why i'm grateful for the she the people convention that took place in april that lifted up our stories, our lived
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experiences and brought that intersectional lens, which is lacking across so many issues. >> congresswoman lee, we see kamala harris, senator from your state, running for president, how important is her candidacy as we push black women to where they always have been? but never recognized? and that's the forefront. >> senator harris' candidacy is extremely important. i'm proud to cho chair her california campaign and i'm telling you, what she is doing is broadening the base of the democratic party. she's reaching out to, as congresswoman presley talked about, at the intersectionality, building the coalitions, she's really bringing our voices to the, to the campaign. which oftentimes our issues aren't front and center. she's making them front and center. and so when you look at her campaign, when you look at who she is, when you look at her
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history and her experience, i've been in south carolina and i've been the surrogate for her in many communities. and people are really enthusiastic and our millennials are enthusiastic and we have to just keep moving forward and making sure that african-american women get to meet her and insure that our voter turn-out is what it should be. because black women, i tell you, black women have elected senatorings, black women have elected members of congress, black women around the country have elected state and local officials, now it's time to elect a black woman as our president. >> you might snts notice tonight all of my guests have been black women. i'm learning my lesson. >> reverend al, happy father's day, reverend al. >> i appreciate that, thank you so much. barbara lee and ayana presley, both congresswomen of distinction. and we're going to be at "essence" magazine, making sure
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a detention center in atlanta is closing down for good reason. mayor keisha lance bottoms says the jail is seeing a declining number of inmates, as well as rising costs and so she is putting her criminal justice reform platform into action. the plan will give nonviolent criminals a chance to get vocational training while in jail, prepping them for a job on the outside. joining me now to explain, the mayor of atlanta, the city that we all love. in the atlanta, georgia. keisha lance bottoms, thank you,
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mayor bottoms, for coming on. >> thank you reverend al and happy early father's day to you. >> thank you, and your father was a great artist as entertained many of us through the years. but that's another segment, another day. why are you closing the jail? what reform, criminal justice reform do you think could resonate nationally from your example? >> thank you for mentioning my father, my father was an entertainer by the name of major lance, a lot of people know him for his great hits, but there's another part to my dad's story that many people didn't know until i ran for mayor. and that is that my father was sentenced to ten years in prison for selling cocaine. and there were layers of issues there. you know, with as with so many of our families in our communities, sometimes they're good people who simply make bad decisions.
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and so i took that experience with me into office, into the office of mayor. and really began to think on how we could change the outcomes for our families for children like me, who spent many weekends visiting their their fathers in prison, looking at men in prison just like my father. so when we ended our relationship with i.c.e. last year during the family separation crisis and then also took the step to end cash bail bonds in the city of atlanta, essentially saying simply because you are poor and you can't pay a fine, you will no longer stay incarcerated. the numbers in our jail dropped. we now have about 70 people a night in a facility that's about 450,000 square feet. and it gave us an opportunity to really think about what could be. how do we turn this center of mass incarceration into what we envision will be a center of equity? so we've already taken some
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steps. we already have some prisoners in conjunction with the state of georgia who are being trained for job training programs as they transition out of jail. they are transitioning into full paid jobs with the city of atlanta in our department of watershed with benefits. they all have families. we've already had some success stories, but now there's an opportunity for us to do it on a very different level. helping us re-imagine this physical space are people who have been incarcerated in this facility, people who have worked in this facility, and people who have visited loved ones in this facility. and it's our hope as we are thinking outside the box in atlanta that justice as atlanta was the cradle of the civil rights movement, that really in 2019, we will be the cradle of criminal justice reform, and other cities will follow. >> now, when you raised that -- and i appreciate you giving your
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personal experience in this area. i remember growing up, they used to call many of the facilities correction facilities. now it's detention facilities. you're kind of turning that around, bringing it back to where we can reform those that can be reformed. we accept some cannot be, but many can. and what has been the reaction of other mayors and people to what you are doing so dramatically in atlanta? >> what struck me is in talking with two very well-known entertainers, with john legend, and with common, who are leading the efforts across the country, using their voice to effectuate change, is that atlanta is already miles ahead of many other cities and many other states. they specifically both cited new york and california. and so i think that for leaders across the country, just don't be afraid to fail.
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this was not a model that we were attempting to replicate. we just knew there was a groundswell from the community, a group called women on the rise who have been speaking for a very long time about our accepting i.c.e. detainees, about possibly closing the jail. and then when you mirrarry that with our various experiences and backgrounds, it only made sense that as mayor, i would take the next step, and i would imagine across the country there are mayors and leaders who may not have the exact experience that i had, but we all have somebody in our family whose faced charges with the criminal justice system. and i think in so many ways, if we are honest, we've all seen how unfair it can be, especially to people who have committed non-violent offenses. >> i'm out of time, but i must ask you. you have called for the reopening of the case in the '70s. i remember in i was very young of the atlanta child murders. is that correct? >> that's absolutely correct.
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there were nearly 30 young children who were killed by a serial killer in atlanta between 1979 and 1981. many people have never even heard of the missing and murdered children. it changed our city and our country forever. so we are re-examining those cases and also creating a lasting memorial to these children because what we've learned is these families in many ways felt like their children didn't matter and had been forgotten. and we are better than that as a city. so we are creating a memorial but also looking at the evidence again to see with improved technology, is there more information that we can gather to help us determine if the person who is in prison for these murders is the one who was responsible for them all because many people think that there may have been more than one killer. >> well, i'm very glad to hear about that. thank you very much, mayor keisha lance bottoms. >> thank you. up next, my final thoughts. stay with us.
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a black family is suing the city of phoenix, arizona, after a disturbing incident with police last month. as you can see in this video shot by a bystander and released by a family spokesperson, police officers pulled guns on, screamed at repeatedly, threatened and violently arrested devon ames and his
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pregnant fiancee who were in a car with their children, ages 4 and 1. the family says it happened after their 4-year-old walked out of a dollar store with a doll. i want to warn you the video is disturbing. >> when i tell you to do something, you [ bleep ] do it. >> i'm sorry. i'm sorry. >> you are not complying with me. when i tell you to do something, you [ bleep ] do it. >> i am. >> phoenix police say they're investigating the incident. we are not against all police. we're not even against most police. there are great police. there are good police. but when police go over the line, especially in front of children, that's what gives police a bad name in certain communities. that's why we need to keep bringing it up.
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and wherever it is, i will always raise the point to make even police better and those of us that need them to be treated equally and fairly and with respect. that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 5:00 p.m. eastern for a new live edition of "politics nation" on father's day. up next, "deadline: white house" with my friend and colleague nicolle wallace. hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in washington, d.c. if you swapped in robert mueller for george stephanopoulos, the mueller investigation may have ended very differently. donald trump trashing his former white house counsel, don mcgahn, in that interview with abc news, claiming that mcgahn lied under oath when he told mueller's investigators that the president wanted him to fire the special counsel. >> he lays out a lot of evidence, including the episode wher

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