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everywhere. fired up. iran announces they're enrich ing fuel for the first time. tensions continue to rise over recent attacks on tankers in the region. >> the iranians should understand very clearly we will continue to take actions that deter iran from engaging in this kind of behavior. take two. reality show president dresses down his acting chief of staff for coughing during a taped interview in the oval office. and he asks for a do-over. >> but at some point i hope they get it. because it's a fantastic financial statement. it's a fantastic financial statement. and let's do that over. he's coughing in the middle of my answer. i don't like that, you know. >> your chief of staff. >> if you're going to cough, please, leave the room. >> good day.

i'm jeff bennett in for andrea in new york. president trump is publicly disputing warning signs from his own pollsters, even cutting ties from some of them for bearing bad news. lagging well behind joe biden in virginia, minnesota, maine and michigan and even down in states he won, including north carolina, georgia, iowa and ohio. there are also problems for the trump campaign in battleground states like florida, wisconsin and pennsylvania where the internal numbers put the president behind biden by double digits. president trump's strategy is to slam all of this as fake news. tweeting this morning that the re-election effort is, quote, looking really good but it is far too early to be focused on that. much work to do. another signal of possible trouble, 52% of all voters in the msnbc/wall street journal poll are very uncomfortable about voting for the president.

yamish alcinder, msnbc contributor jeremy peters, political reporter at "the new york times." real clear politics associate editor a.b. stoddard and former house democratic caucus chairman joe crowley. president trump's campaign manager, brad pascale, his response to our own kristen welker, all news about the president's polling is completely false. the president's new polling is extraordinary and his numbers have never been better. if it's not entirely obvious from that statement there, how do you think the campaign is handling this, jeremy? >> the first step there is to appease the president. there's a pretty well-born formula of doing that. you use words like extraordinary, tremendous and say it's impossible anybody could ever beat him because he's the strongest candidate who has ever run for the office. that's step one. step two, though, is trying to wake up the republican party and

wake up people around president trump and president trump himself, who have kind of lulled into this sense of complacency about his poll numbers and, well, it's so far out, we don't need to worry about that when it comes down to trump and another -- a single democratic nominee to run against, things will kind of equalize. the problem is right now the message is -- and this is coming from republicans i've been talking to. wake up. if you were to run this race today, you would lose all of these states that you won by double digits and that is a serious, serious problem. not just for you but for the republicans wanting to retain control of the senate. they've got some very tricky senate races that will potentially be on a knife's edge from north carolina to georgia, and they cannot afford to lose those seats. >> that's a great point. yamiche, let's take a look at another poll, fox news national poll. there's trouble for president trump. look at where all the the top democratic contenders stand.

that match-up of joe biden down 10 points, down nine points when compared to bernie sanders. trailing elizabeth warren by two points. look, with the usual caveat that polling at this point is not predictive, what should be the level of concern about this poll inside trump world? >> well, i think, again, as you said, it's really, really early, geoff, to decide whether or not it will have significant bearing on the election. that said, president trump should be worried if his own internal polling is showing him losing critical states and you have national polling from fox news, his favorite network to watch. what president trump needs to be thinking about and what i think people close to the campaign say is that he really needs to be talking about the economy. he really needs to be talking about his successes as president. what we all know from covering president trump is that he is someone who doesn't really stay on message. he's someone that goes with his gut and he does have an extraordinary political gut. people around him, including republicans say we never would

have told someone to center their entire campaign around immigration. the president did that. and then he won states we haven't won in decades. there is this idea that the president says he doesn't trust polling, especially this early and as a result he will go down to orlando and do his thing, which will be talking about immigrants, talking about the economy, but much about the fact that he's someone who has been under attack and the fake news media and all these people don't like him. >> joe crowley, question to you about the democrats. we're talking about trump earlier. now on the democrats. elizabeth warren showing strength in the new south carolina primary poll, joe biden leading with 37% of the vote. elizabeth warren is apparently surging there at 17%. you've got mayor pete also now in double digits. how much of a comfort is this poll to the biden campaign, do you think, with this debate, this first debate, what, nine days away? >> i certainly think elizabeth warren is surging. i think her message is getting

through. it has to be of some concern to the biden campaign. i also know that some internal numbers, in terms of the african-american population and its polling clearly shows that biden has a significant advantage in that field. you know, this is very fluid and certainly no one should take anything for granted. i think it's a bit of a jump ball. >> if you were advising the biden campaign, what would you tell them to do? >> get out there. shake the flesh. be out there and touching people. i think they'll be doing that. i know that there are a number of events coming up. jim clyburn will have his big fish fry. i'm sure we've seen a lot of those faces there. certainly warren has definitely crossed the threshold, i think. and that is that her proposals are actually being listened to and people paying attention. that's critical for her. >> a.b. stoddard, what's your take on this? the new nbc/wall street journal

poll shows support surging for elizabeth warren there. >> in all the bad polling for president trump, you can tell his supporters are watching closely that biden is bleeding support to elizabeth warren. that's the only good news that they have. it's not good news for biden and congressman crowley is right. the nominee goes to the person who wins the african-american majority support. biden has that. in a big, crowded field he has very strong numbers. that's what he still has. what elizabeth warren is doing is showing people she really wants this job. so she's really expressing this hunger that people in small settings in her campaign appearances are responding to. she doesn't just want to be president. she wants to do president. i don't know that president trump wanted to. i think he wanted to, you know, win. but there are days when he doesn't act like he wants to do the job. maybe joe biden is not showing up enough on the campaign trail. her intensity about wanting to actually be president and govern and make all these changes is

clearly breaking through. >> jeremy peters, you touched on this earlier. you mentioned and all of us who cover the president know this to be true. he feels vindicated by his 2016 presidential win. he followed his gut and won an election that nearly everyone told him could not be done. given that, how are his campaign aides, brad pascale and the others, how are they managing him as a candidate, given that he seems fairly unmanageable, jeremy? >> the trick is that you can't manage him. anyone who survived long enough around president trump realizes. the shorter time you'll have around him as an employee the more you tell him what to do. he doesn't really listen. you cannot correct his behavior. the best case scenario is what yamiche was talking about earlier, a gripe that we heard from republicans that he is incapable of staying on message

about the economy and right now that is the single most important thing he could be talking about. there are definite bright spots for him to point to. whether or not the economy stays in such good shape, we can't really say this far out from the election, but i think it's safe to assume that president trump will be wanting to. fake news media, as he will say, that has been publishing phony polls. national popular vote which, of course, he lost. he has to be concerned about that. right now this is something i keep coming back to and keep hearing. he has never been above 46% rating. that's the popular vote he won in 2016. that's a precarious situation being in, going into your

re-election. >> joe crowley, we'll end with you in the minutes we have left. how should democrats best benefit from the president's lack of message discipline, given everything that jeremy just said? >> well, he is so undisciplined, this is not the first time. the lesson is, he's going to mess up. hoof and mouth disease is part of this presidency. so i think that will continue. i think democrats just need to be prepared to work as hard as they possibly can. i do believe that the base of the president's support is going to be there. and i think the enthusiasm factor for them will still be there. this polling indicates this, that people are tired of the e lies and willful misstatements this president has made. >> my thanks to each of you. and coming up, former vice president and presidential candidate joe biden speaks live

at the poor people's moral action congress presidential forum. more coverage on velshi & ruhle next hour. final weeks of the term. justice correspondent pete williams joins us with details on noteworthy cases. pete, take us through these two critical rulings, the first regarding that oregon baker. >> yeah. this is a bit of a surprise. a bakery in oregon that refused to make a cake for a lesbian commitment ceremony. owners of the bakery said that would violate their religious beliefs, that their cakes are inherently expressive. that it would violate their freedom of expression. they lost when the state sued them, in the lower courts. they appealed to the supreme court. and today the supreme court wipe ed out those lower court rulings against them. that is a partial victory for them. but it also sent the case back to the lower courts with instructions to re -- take another look at the case in light of the supreme court's ruling two years ago in an almost identical case from

colorado, involving a baker who wouldn't bake a cake to celebrate the same-sex wedding of two men. now, in that case, the supreme court sent the case back to colorado, saying that there was some infirmities in the way that the colorado civil rights, human rights commission dealt with the case and seemed to show some religious animous. none of that was present in the oregon case, though. exactly what the oregon courts are supposed to make of this, i don't know. my guess would be that they'll take another look and once again rule against the oregon bakery and the oregon baker could be back here again. i'm not sure what's gained except perhaps some time to look if other rulings like this come along. in the second case, the supreme court declined to wipe out at least 150 years of law, saying that it doesn't violate the protection against double jeopardy if you're charged once in state court and then again in federal court for the same crime. i think most people realize the

double jeopardy protection says you can't be tried twice for the same offense and the courts have long said that doesn't count if the state and the federal government do their own cases. today the supreme court declined by a 7-2 vote to overturn that history. justice ruth bader ginsburg said it's based on legal fiction that the state and federal government are separate sovereigns. we're one big country and that ought to be the rule but she was in the minority 7-2. the court did not overturn that longstanding rule. it got a lot of extra attention after paul manafort's conviction. the thought was if president trump were to pardon him, then if the supreme court changes this double jeopardy rule, it might make it harder for the states to charge him for similar crimes but now already new york has gone ahead and charged him with separate offenses under its state tax laws. those are the two things here. more rulings to come on thursday. we have 20 cases left as the

supreme court now race to get them all out by the end of next week. >> pete williams, thanks for unpacking all of that for us. appreciate it. >> you bet. deal breaker? iran threatens to violate the uranium enrichment limits set by the 2015 nuclear deal next on andrea mitchell reports, only on msnbc. ports, only on msnbc. as your life grows, so do your needs. ♪ and with bank of america and merrill, the benefits you get can grow, too. as a preferred rewards member, you can enjoy priority service and exclusive discounts... so your growing life can be more rewarding, too. ♪ what would you like the power to do? ♪

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iran is testing u.s. patience today, threatening to

break out of the nuclear deal by increasing its stockpile of nuclear fuel after abiding by the deal more than a year, despite president trump ditching it unilaterally. that's unfolding, secretary of state mike pompeo insisted sunday that iran is responsible for attacks on two oil tankers in the golf of oman. in addition to four previous tanker attacks in recent weeks. >> it's unmistakable what happened here. these were attacks by the islamic republic of iran with the clear intent to deny transit through the strait. there's no doubt. the intelligence community has lots of data, lots of evidence. the world will come to see much of it, but the american people should rest assured we have high confidence with respect to who conducted these attacks as well as half a dozen other attacks throughout the world. >> but some u.s. allies, including japan and germany, want stronger evidence. joining me now is chief correspondent bill neely in the

persian gulf and ambassador wendy sherman, who negotiated the iran nuclear deal. bill, we'll start with you. what are you hearing in the region about these latest threats from iran? >> reporter: well, no official reaction yet from saudi arabia or from the gulf states here. of course, they've always been, you know, very quick to jump in and blame iran when the four tankers were attacked in may. saudi arabia and the gulf states blamed iran. so far for thursday's attacks, mohammed bin salman, crown prince, didn't directly point the finger at iran but i think it's fairly obvious that they are suspecting iran as the u.s. is, as the uk has said. but, as you say, some other allies like japan and germany are asking for more evidence.

because although that video of the iranian revolutionary guard removing a mine from the side of the ship was strong, it wasn't conclusive proof. so, you know, the world is still looking for that kind of proof and secretary of state pompeo said just yesterday there's lots of data, lots more evidence. >> ambassador sherman, we're lucky to have your benefit of experience and expertise here. since iran is trying to break out of the deal that you helped negotiate, what is happening here? >> that said, the tactics about how you get to that objective are quite different. for those of us who helped negotiate the deal, we consider ourselves hardliners but we believe that we should have

continued those negotiations, dealt with any remaining issues, used the sanctions still on the table to push back against their nefarious behavior in the region. and the hard hardliners led by that guy who never saw a war he didn't want to wage, john bolton, believe we should be on this escalatory cycle. so even chairman of the house intelligence committee adam shiff and iran, which shouldn't be doing what it's doing, over a year of sticking with this deal now feels like its internal politics require it to finally take action. that action is very dangerous to break out of the nuclear deal

and we may have the hard hardliners, the islamic revolutionary guard core leading us on a path to war. >> what's your best read to this? is iran flexing its muscles? >> i think iran is reacting to the alcohols taken by the trump administration to put pressure on them. he has people around him, secretary of state pompeo, who are insistent on pushing this escalatory path and that leads to a very bad place. that is supported, of course, as bill neely pointed out, by the crown prince of saudi arabia, who is in a battle between sunni and shia islam.

>> my real kurn here, jeff, is that june 27th, the date that iran has said that it may break out of this deal is also one of the days the democratic debates. we might see all kinds of action by the administration. >> i want to draw you out on something for potential for war here. the secretary of state said the u.s. doesn't want to go to war. i've discovered forget what they say. watch what they do. based on everything administration members have done so far, how concerned are you, ambassador sherman, about the potential for conflict in the gulf? >> i'm quite concern ed every

single pentagon has had. >> 30% of all the oil traffic and commerce go through the strait of hormuz. so every pentagon has had those plans. this administration may actually carry out those plans and in the toxic environment in which we are in, where inside of iran they also have hard, hard liners led by the islamic revolutionary guard corps, we could find ourselves either by intention, accident or inadvertence in a conflict. iran is a large country with military capabilities that will possibly turn this into an arab/persian war in very quick order. >> wendy sherman, thanks for your insights.

>> bill neely in dohar thank you as well. the poor people's forum kicks off at the top of the hour. kicks off at the top of the hour

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140 million poor and low-income people living in this country. joe biden will speak at the poor people's campaign presidential forum in washington. ali vita lchli is there. good to see you as always. what are we expecting? >> reporter: this is an event at the poor people's campaign focused on those 140 million americans, living in poverty or on the cusp. joe biden, since the underpinning of his campaign has been bringing back the middle class. looking at the way he kick off this campaign, surrounded by union workers making that pitch. it's interesting. reverend william barber says democrat does a good job of talking about the economy, of talking about the middle class. republicans do a good job of talking about the economy.

what they want here is someone who can focus on poor americans and how specifically they can eliminate the wealth gap in this country. democrats that come to mind immediately after talking to voters and folks here in this crowd, the candidates who come to mienld for them are bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, kamala harris and cory booker. i've heard those names from a handful of voters i've been sampling here. when biden takes the stage, the first of nine candidates talking here today, willt will be interesting to see how he deals with this crowd. >> the group released more than a 100-page report of what it calls its moral budget. produce bid millions of people, workers and families in this country and around the world. fruits of their labor should be their basic needs and creating conditions for them to thrive. that seems clear to me. that seems to be the message they're sending to democratic

candidates, right? >> absolutely. and so what you're seeing in that moral budget is, yes, policy prescriptions. they laid out the tenets, this group, of what they want to see from politicians and candidates last year. it's the dollars and cents of how they see lawmakers able to get to those policy prescriptions they talk about, a $15 minimum wage, spending less on military spending and more on economic bread and butter issue spending, education. and so a lot of those things are things that people like elizabeth warren and bernie sanders have not just talked about but built their campaigns around. a lot of people i talked to here today it's an authenticity issue to some extent. you want to talk to someone well versed in the policy around this. when you look at elizabeth warren and bernie sanders they've been pitching this message for so long, they are people obvious in these activists and voters minds as they come and make this pitch. >> ali vitali, thank you so

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they're after my financial statement, the senate. they would like to get my financial statement. at some point i hope they get

it. >> you're going to turn it over? >> no. at some point -- i might. but at some point i hope they do because it's a fantastic financial statement. it's a fantastic financial statement and -- let's do that over. he's coughing in the middle of the my answer. >> yeah, okay. >> i don't like that, you know. >> your chief of staff. >> if you're going to cough, please leave the room. >> get a shot. i'll come over here. >> you just can't cough. >> just to change the shot. sorry. >> do you want to do that a little differently then? >> yeah. we just changed the angle. thank you. >> so, at some point, i look forward to, frankly, i would like to have people see my financial statement. >> that was president trump who, by the way, is a self professed germ-o-phobe, kicking his chief of staff mick mulvaney of kicking him out of the office for coughing, leaving some to wonder whether it was strategic.

joining me now is george will, author of "the conservative sensibility." what did we learn about the president's leadership skills on display here? >> first of all the president was kind of restrained. we've had presidents with volcanic tempers, dwight eisenhower for all his affable demeanor, had an explosive temper. bill clinton did, too. the idea that mulvaney coughed on cue strikes me as a little odd. we tend to explain almost everything in terms of forethought. i don't think that happened this time. the president was saying he wished people could see his financial statements. of course, he could take care of that in an afternoon if he wanted to, by simply releasing them. >> great point. >> let's talk about your latest op-ed. you lay out the blueprint for democrats to take if they want

to beat president trump. you write this, the decisive voters might be those who crave not transformation but restoration, governance that is neither embarrassing nor exhausting whachexhaus exhausting. what do you believe is the biggest obstacle that democrats face? winning the white house? >> seems to me they will win the white house given the fact that the president has a very narrow band. he can't fall below 42% but can't get above 46%. the white house is theirs to win if they don't kick it away. it's theirs to lose. they were indispensable to electing trump in the first place in 2016 and sometimes they do seem to me to be out to prove that that wasn't a fluke, that they could do it again. but what they want to do is make it easy to vote for democrats, which means don't start your campaign as kamala harris did in a cable appearance by saying let's get rid of private health insurance, thereby frightening

180 million americans who have employer-provided health insurance and, by the way, frightening organized labor which today exists primarily to negotiate health care as untaxed competition for its members. american people aren't up in arms. the american people would like something like a return to normality. it's theirs to win. >> president trump in that t interview says his is coming up with a plan. mitch mcconnell is anxious to see it. the president said a middle class tax cut was coming that never materialized. let's watch this clip first and talk about it on the other side. >> we're going to produce phenomenal health care and we already have the concept of the plan. we'll be announcing that in two months, maybe less. >> so, obamacare is more popular

than ever. do you believe this is the right strategy ahead of 2020? does repealing obamacare give democrats another platform just to court voters? >> you ask if that's the right strategy. that's not a strategy. that's more presidential noise. there is no plan. the president promised coming in the trillion dollar -- or $2 trillion, whatever it is, infrastructure program. that hasn't materialized. infrastructure is a piece of cake, compared to the complexities of health care. one thing we do know is that comprehensive health care reform is not going to happen. for example, the democrats promising medicare for all need to understand that all the rural hospitals, and there's a rural hospital in i don't know how many congressional districts, are going to be up in arms against a compensation system based on medicare. so, we're going to see maybe piece meal reform but not from this president who -- i don't

care what he says to george stephanopolous in the backseat of a car. there is no plan in the works. >> i want to unpack something else you've written about in your books, the difference between conservatism and progressivism and you speak primarily about elizabeth warren and president obama. >> progressives say because we are all as individuals situated in a social setting and we acquire through socialization certain attributes therefore individualism itself is problematic and so is individual achievement. this is at the heart -- this is the thinking behind barack obama's famous statement in virginia in 2012, if you build that business, you didn't really build it. society build it. and because society was in on the building of it, society can claim as much of the fruits of your economic enterprise as society, meaning the government, thinks is owed to it.

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we now know which candidates will face off in the first democratic presidential debate right here on msnbc, nbc and te telemundo. the two-night prime time event kicks off with a match-up, featuring three senators and a slate of candidates primed for breakout moments, followed by a showdown of political heavy hitters and some of the biggest names in the race with bernie sanders and joe biden sharing a debate stage for the first time. let's bring in nbc news steve kornacki at the big board, taking a look at some of the most memorable debates in the

past. >> you see the polling come in. are they really going to make a difference? in the buildup to this debate we thought we would take a look back at some of those primary debate moments that have mattered in a big way in the past. so one of them we thought we would take a look at today, sort of kick things off with, this goes back to the 2008 democratic presidential primaries. obama, hillary clinton, there was also john edwards. these are the results from the lead-off iowa caucuses. barack obama wins it. hillary clinton, it was a crisis for her campaign. not only did she lose, she finished in third place. and in 2008, new hampshire was five days after iowa. very tight turn around. what you had was obama one, hillary clinton seen as collapsing in the polls. the polls in new hampshire changed overnight. obama moved well ahead. looked like he had the chance to win iowa, new hampshire, maybe to end the race on the spot. he was ahead by nearly ten points. they had a debate the saturday night before the tuesday new hampshire primary. you may remember this moment.

it's play aid lot in the years since. take a look. >> what can you say to the voters of new hampshire on this stage tonight who see your resume and like it, but are hesitating on the likability issue where they seem to like barack obama more? >> well, that hurts my feelings. he's very likable. i agree with that. i don't think i'm that bad. >> you're likable enough, hillary. >> thank you. i appreciate that. >> and again the context of that moment, hillary clinton's numbers were heading south. there was all this talk that obama had new hampshire wrapped up. the polls certainly showed that. a couple of days later, though, this is what the polls have been showing. this is what had been happening in the new hampshire primary. this was a shocker. real time, hillary clinton pulled out the win in new hampshire because of moments like that debate, women in

particular in new hampshire rallied around her campaign as if they were saying they felt she was being ganged up on. maybe it wasn't that fair, the treatment they felt she was receiving and they weren't ready for that process that democratic campaign to end. hillary clinton won for the dem campaign to end. she won new hampshire. it was not enough to get the nomination in 2008 but it was enough to take that campaign from ending on the spot in early january 2008 and instead that went all the way to june in epic campaign and ending up taking half of the year. that was the reason why. >> the big issue is you have candidates in the double digits on the stage of both nights. what kind of effect do you thin. the big question here is joe biden. number one is the question of how does biden happenndle it? does he try to be cautious and not committee. does biden try to open things up a little bit.

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when this happens, there is tremendous hurt that can come about. the city will be hurting. we'll be striving to give out to community members to community leaders to keep the challenge of communications to open even as we wait for more fax to come in. >> that's pete buttigieg taking a break to tend to his duty as mayor of south bend of indiana. a man was fatally shot by a police officer on sunday. he'll be in new york city, he's staying in south bend to deal with the fallout in the shooting. >> jonathan k. park, you

recently spoke to mayor buttigieg and he talks about how he manages these kinds of situations. how do you think he's prepared to handle these kinds of issues. >> well, he talked about this in response from the audience asking what makes you think as the mayor of a super small town in the united states, what makes you think you are prepared to be president of the united states. he walks through saying as a mayor, you hold to the people directly and you got your park issues and duck pond issue that i have to worry about and that got chuckles for the audience then he took a dramatic turn. the next moment you can have a police involved shooting where you are, before you face the camera. you got to figure out what you

say that's both informative and healing. and the clip that you just saw, that's in keeping line of what he said to me. this is the event why last month of a month ago may, 22nd. >> let's take a turn here and talk about his standing in the polls with these debates just less than two weeks away. we have seen in the recent south carolina polls. mayor pete has growing support among african-american voters. you see him there at 6%. people may see that and say 6% is not a whole lotto write home about but he was in 0% back in may. what do you think of this surge? >> this is what's spectacular. i saw the numbers of the overall south caroline na polls where h at 13% and he's in third place behind senator warren and vice president biden. that meant his black support had to be from some where.

the fact from zero to 6% says he's spending time in south carolina and african-american voters are paying attention to what he says and paying attention to the words that are coming out of his mouth but also the implicit messages that are coming from him whether they are watching fox news town hall whether in response to an unrelated questions, he brought up the fact that african-american women are suffering disproportionately due to deaths as a result of childbirth when he was asked on the breakfast club back in march. he says entrepreneurship, homeowner ship and healthcare and criminal justice. what made that answer interesting is that he led, usually politicians lead with criminal justice when talking about african-american audiences. he hit on something that brings true. we are bigger than that.

the fact that he started off with entrepreneurship and homeowner ship, he sees african-americans as part of the larger american story and not separate and apart story that he has to deal with when the time comes. >> there is another issue that comes up when we talk about mayor pete and black voters, especially religious black voters. he's openly gay, he was asked by chuck todd yesterday. i have every confident, do not discriminate when the seconds come up. what does it mean to you there? >> he's right to be hopeful. let's not kid ourselves. that's a big hurdle for him to over come. one of the things i wonder, the time magazine covers with him and his husband which their first anniversary was yesterday showing them as the first family, i will be interested to see how that magazine cover plays with americans overall and

african-americans in particular. >> jonathan capehart. >> here is ali and stephanie. >> geoff bennett is here with us. very nice to have you here on "velshi & ruhle" in a moment. >> hello everyone. i am ali velshi. >> i am stephanie ruhle. >> polling leaks, the numbers are out and they're not good for president trump. he's far behind some democratic contenders. >> plus, a critical ruling. today's supreme court decision on your vote and gerrymandering. it is a win for one political party. we'll tell you what it means for 2020, coming up. al digital cold war. a new report says the united states is targeting russia's power grid, ahead of 2020. president trump may have been kept in the dark about it. we'll have