but "andrea mitchell reports" starts right now. thank you, craig melvin. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," don't stop believing. president trump plays from a 2016 set as he officially kicks off his reelection campaign. replaying his greatest hits and updating his enemy's list. >> we went through the greatest witch hunt in political history. our radical democratic opponents are driven by hatred, prejudice and rage. they want to destroy you. and there were hundreds and hundreds of people wearing we are deplorables. and i said i think hillary clinton made a big mistake with that speech. defensiveleeless. the defense secretary is kicked out. leaving the pentagon's leadership vacant for the second time in six months. they have so many empty positions, rotating, revolving

doors in the most sensitive of security positions. every american should worry. coming up this hour, former secretary of defense leon panetta and senate armed services maybe tim kaine. beyond hope. the president's closest aide hope hicks is the first former trump white house official testifying since the mueller report but under serious restrictions under the white house exerting executive privilege. >> it just takes us to the court, wastes the taxpayer's dollars and you'll see the president say this is taking too long. the reason it's taking too long is because it's a team of obstructers. good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. president trump is in flr thori this hour after that raucous reelection kick off in orlando and touting a big fundraising

ha haul as well. the trump campaign brought in nearly $25 million in less than 24 hours. but will his loyal base be enough to fight off a democratic challenger in 2020? joining me now nbc chief white house correspondent hallie jackson, msnbc political analyst peter baker and msnbc political analyst rick tyler and joel payne, an advisor and director from the hillary clinton 2016 campaign. set the stage in florida. that was raucous, it was old time music, at least seven hits against hillary clinton. and the witch hunt cries, but what's -- how does he sustain this? there were no new ideas. >> reporter: well, that's the question, andrea. i'll be honest with you, watching the rally i felt like i was in 2016 covering then candidate president trump. the difference the presidential seal on the podium. and the conclusion of the mueller report, neither of which

had happened in 2016. but yeah, this was the free bird of rallies. the greatest hits, the president going after familiar faces, including hillary clinton. you mentioned he went after her seven times at least before ever mentioning anybody who actually is running come 2020. why is he doing this? it's pretty clear, andrea. the president is making the bet in order to have success in 2020 he's got to get his base in essence supercharged. get them fired up, get the people standing behind him in those red make america great again caps out to vote again. he and his campaign team are feeling like that's what worked for them last time around, it's what's going to work for them this time around. the president hit on the similar themes. immigration, for example. he talked about department of justice issues that he perceives as being problematic. the regulations that are in place, all things we heard in 2016. there was one other big difference now, and that's donald trump is not running on what he would do, he's running on what he already has done.

he's the president. he's the guy who went into the swamp and tried to change things. what we're going to see play out over the next 18 months is not just how do you sustain that as you asked, but are his supporters and are other voters going to buy that this president actually did what he said he would do. there are certain things that the president has a leg to stand on there. tax cuts, for example. that is going to be something you'll hear a lot about on the campaign trail. you'll hear about the regulations the administration has rolled back and the executive orders they've put forward to undo the obama era legacy. beyond that, how do democrats get at that? >> the democrats have some hope at least in florida, according to a new florida poll. joe biden up above donald trump by nine points. bernie sanders, six points. they've got some advantage. trump won florida by a point plus or so. >> trump is being beaten by the top contenders of the democratic nomination in florida.

and he can't afford to lose florida. losing florida is -- would be -- donald trump won by trying to thread a needle by throwing the needle into the air. he wants to do that again. his only way to do that is to denigrate his opponents. he doesn't have a message. his rally last night was -- talked about hillary clinton. over and over again. he doesn't have a vision for the country. he doesn't have a vision for peace in the middle east. he didn't have a vision for -- to keep the job creation going. frankly, the job creation doesn't look much different than it did in the obama era. the last 28 months of the obama era produced more jobs than donald trump has in his first 28 months. what is different? i'm not sure he can pull this off twice without a message. >> and peter baker, when we talk about message, people feel that the economy is doing well, more people than not even though we still have the wage disparity and all the other problems rick

was just referring to. the stock market gives them that sugar high if you will. he doesn't talk as much about the economy that i'm sure his advisors would like him to. let's play a little bit of the rehash last night and talk about it on the other side. >> president xi, terrific president, great leader of china. spoke to him this morning at length. we'll see what happens. we're either going to have a good deal or a fair deal or we're not going to have a deal and that's okay too. people are pouring in. we've stopped them. as i said i we have other people helping us, including the country of mexico. let's see how it works out. we'll come up with the cures to many, many problems to many diseases, including cancer and others. and we're getting closer all the time. >> that is as much of the message -- but let me show you hope hicks finishing her testimony, unless it's just

break for a while. we see her leaving that hearing. she was testifying under an assertion of executive privilege. peter baker you know better than anyone how close and important she was to him. we don't know until they come out of that meeting and we get some guidance from some of the questioners whether or not this was a breakthrough moment or just more of the same stonewalling. >> well, look, there's been obviously this big fight went to president and congress over testimony and documents as they investigate various issues. the president tweeting again this morning that he's been unfairly tweeted. he said in the last few days he's been -- treated more unfairly than any president perhaps since lincoln. and he's decided he's going to wage war with congress over questions whether hope hicks testifies or not. she was his chief communications person. a very close advisor, very important to him. one of the few people he relied on while she was in the white house.

she was there for key moments, including the response to this story about the trump tower meetings. there's a lot you can imagine lawmakers would like to ask her. the assertion of executive privilege is going to be tested in the courts and we'll see how far it gets. the president has had a tough time convincing courts their executive privilege applies when congress has an investigation underway. >> and joel payne, one of the things that happened last night also is the appearance of don jr., who is a major surrogate and very popular with the base. but this is part of what he said in going after joe biden. let's watch. >> the problem is, joe, you've been in government for almost 50 years. what was the good one last week? remember joe biden comes out, well, if you elect me president, i'm going to cure cancer. wow. why the hell didn't you do that over the last 50 years, joe?

>> take a deep breath, everyone as i am. so we all know about the family tragedy of beau biden. and clearly joe biden has been talking about a cancer moon shot treating it the way jfk chose, getting to the moon and doing a major ten year investment. if he becomes president that would be his focus, one of his big focuses. take it from there. having the president's son and nam namesake. >> it's a forecast over what we're going to see. the president has been clear he's going to take off the gloves. i don't care there were any fluflu gloves with this president. hallie talked about how it reminded her of 2016. this is a negative perception of a america. the president is relying on the idea of supercharging his base, of radicalizing his base.

he radicalized the senate, the house, and he's radicalizing people across the country who supported him last time. there's no strategy to reach out to bring others in. you know, when barack obama was running for reelection in 2011 and 2012, he had a record for three years he could call back to. and he could talk about the things he wanted to do to reach out and bring on republicans and moderates. this president has no plan. >> do you want to jump in? >> despicable human being would call out a person who lost his son to cancer about cancer. and i just don't have any words for this anymore. it's just despicable and disgusting. >> and peter baker, how do you think it plays politically? does that work for them with the base or with anyone else? >> well -- broadly i think his -- yeah. i think broadly his message last night is reinforcing this us against them kind of tribal politics, right? it's not just that we disagree with the other guys, it's not

blue and red. they're out to get us. not just to get me, they came after me to the audience last night on my finances, on my campaign, my family. they're out to get you, too. they're out to get us. it's the elites who are profiting from a corrupt system and i get in there and disrupts it. that's more i think of his vizervi visceral appeal. it's important to his base more than immigration, tax cuts and more than any particular attack on the democrats. they're coming after us and we have to stop it. >> briefly, that's why nancy pelosi is so worried about this impeachment strategy? >> reporter: right. it's going to end up firing up the president's base. remember, they elected him and put him into office feeling like he was the underdog. that's a common thread i heard again and again for people coming out to support donald trump before he was elected president. if he can paint himself as an underdog, it might end up firing up his base even more. >> hallie jackson, thanks so

much. peter baker, rick tyler, joel payne, thanks for being with us today. on june 26th and 27th you know it, one week from today, the first presidential debate taking place in miami moderated by lester holt, savannah guthrie, chuck todd and rachel maddow. the event will be broadcast live across nbc, msnbc and telemundo and streamed on nbcnews.com. coming up, who is in charge? president trump pick for defense secretary abruptly withdraws at a critical moment. leon panetta joins me next here on andrea mitchell. stay with us on msnbc. on andrea mitchell stay with us on msnbc.

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and the fallout today at a time of world crisis from the departure of acting defense secretary patrick shanahan. his exit coming only after reports of the domestic violence surfaced from his family's past. usa today first reported that an fbi background investigation was looking into a violent domestic dispute from 2010 between shanahan and his then wife kimberly in which both claim to police they had been punched by the other. shanahan told usa today, quote, i never laid a hand on my then wife. in a separate incident in 2011 "the washington post" reports the couple's then 17-year-old son william used a baseball bat to, quote, brutally beat his mother leaving her unconscious with a fractured skull. two weeks later according to the

paper shanahan sent his ex-wife's brother saying his son had acted in self-defense writing will's mother harassed him for three hours before the incident. >> it's difficult to relive that moment. i have believed will's attack on his mother was an act of self-defense or in any justified. for that matter, you know, i don't believe violence is appropriate ever. and certainly there's any justification for attacking someone with a baseball bat. >> president trump has replaced shanahan who came from boeing with no military experience with a new acting pentagon chief, secretary of the army, mark esper. leaving the pentagon without a confirmed cabinet leader since four star retired general james

mattis quit in december. joining me is leon panetta, who sir has all bases covered. very good to see you. this is a time arguably of crisis. iran, elsewhere in the world, the china trade deal. to say nothing of what's been going on on our southern border. and we now again don't have a pentagon chief. first of all how did this kind of vet fail? he had been previously been come rchlnfirmer or so ago for deputy pentagon chief. >> no question that the vetting process in the white house has broken down because the whole purpose of vetting is to insure that that kind of information is brought forward, brought to the attention of the president. if it works right, what happens

is you avoid the problem of sending a nomination to the hill and then embarrassing both the president as well as that candidate. so it's pretty clear to me that since this was a criminal event in one instance, that the fbi surely must have had this information. they must have had the information the first time that pat shanahan came up as deputy and they surely had it this time. why they took so long, why the decision took so long is really something that indicates that the white house just doesn't have any kind of viable vetting process to make the decisions it has to make with regards to candidates for the highest offices in our country. >> now, the fbi also has to be held to account. the fbi -- shouldn't the fbi have told the white house and if

they did and were overruled then you have a more serious problem. aren't those questions that armed services committee has to ask? >> well, there's no question that there are a lot of questions -- a lot of serious issues here that are involved. because as i said, the vetting process broke down. what did the fbi know? did they present it to responsible people? were there judgments made to by pass that information in the hope it wouldn't come forward? what about the senate itself? normally, a senate committee does its own investigation as well with regards to individuals. that's something that's always taken place at least in my experience. what happened when the senate did not do it? and to a large extent, you know, part of the responsibility here is also with secretary shanahan. because if his reason is he didn't want to bring his family

through this turmoil -- and i understand that. this is a sad and tragic event. but that's something he should have known for a while and should have raised it early on rather than going five months as acting secretary and not coming to any kind of conclusion until it was about to go to a hearing on the senate side. >> and from my experience in talking to people within the last 24 hours who had top secret clearance, former spouses are always interviewed by the fbi. it's automatic. >> there's no question. there fbi, at least in my experience with regards to background checks does a very thorough background check that looks at every aspect, talks to individuals in their background. so i don't think there's much question here that the fbi had this information. what they did with it, who made the judgments with regards to that information, i think are questions that have to be asked. >> secretary panetta, i want to

ask you about having so many acting secretaries. we've gone through the list. i'll show you the list, we'll scroll it if you've got return video. so many key departments, homeland, defense, acting chief of staff, acting u.n. ambassador, the nominee is having a tough hearing right now as we speak. acting i.c.e. director. throughout the administration. one of the issues is -- especially at the pentagon and others, when you're an acting secretary, you can't bring in top officials. you can't bring in and get confirmed in the secretaries, your own team. you're acting. you're temporary. and that stalls all kinds of things down the line. from your experience in so many cabinet appointments -- but most importantly the pentagon. what do you see happening because of these vacancies? >> well, the problem is this administration is hollowing

itself out with regards to leadership on this acting basis. they don't have permanent people being appointed to these positions. and very frankly, if you're secretary of defense, the reality is if you're just acting it's viewed as a temporary position. and you have to make important judgments, you have to deal with the military who are all career individuals. you've got to be able to develop strategy. you've got to speak with one voice. you've got to ultimately face the president of the united states and possibly tell the president that the decisions he's thinking about are not the right decisions with regards to our national security. so it demands that the secretary of defense and for that matter any cabinet secretary, has to be confirmed by the senate. has to be permanent. if you're acting, it's going to automatically weaken your ability to really represent particularly in this instance, national security issues to the

white house and to the world. that credibility of that secretary is going to be under question not just with the white house and not just with the hill, but also with the world. >> now, to that point, the president said i like actings because he can have more flexibility. but that is exactly the point. that's the problem. let's talk about the world and iran. now there's been a rocket attack near the iraq headquarters of exxonmobil. the workers were evacuated. there is evidence according to mike pompeo the secretary of state and others in the administration that iran in some proxyifo proxy form is responsible for these aggressive actions. what should our posture be? >> well, you know, there's no question that tensions are increasing on both sides. both sides are trying to develop leverage against the other side. the united states is using economic sanctions, it's also

using our superior military presence to threaten the regime. the iranians have two points of leverage. one is to close the straits of hormuz and attack ships in the strait, which would have economic damage, not only to the united states but the world. secondly, a rush towards enriching nuclear fuel with the possibility that they could develop a nuclear weapon. so those are the elements of leverage going on here. and each side is confronting the other. i mean, the point here for the united states has to be yes, we need to have a strong military presence there. we need to make sure that the straits of hormuz remain open. but what we really need is a diplomatic strategy to try to deal with the situation so it doesn't result in another middle east conflict. the best way to do that in my view is to go back to our european allies who worked with us in dealing with iran, russia,

china, germany, great britain, france, all of those countries worked with us in developing the iranian agreement. they have some credibility it seems to me in dealing with iran. we ought to work together to try to see if we can't open a door here to some kind of diplomatic negotiation. that ultimately has to be the solution here. >> leon panetta, thank you so much. thanks for everything, good to see you sir. coming up, high hopes. house democrats summon fohope hicks to testify about the president's conduct. she left the room for a one hour lunch break. what if anything has she revealed so far? stay with us here on andrea mitchell reports only on msnbc. c oh my, this heinz mayonnaise is so creamy,

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i'll say this about ms. hicks. almost every question i observed, you know, she s refusing to answer and that's a problem. >> i don't think they're standing in the way she's here testifying and she's answering questions that don't fall under the opinion. >> it's an ongoing effort by the president of the united states

by preventing congress to get the answers we deserve. the president is continuing to engage in a cover up. >> divided opinion coming out of the house judiciary committee. hope hicks is behind closed doors testifying to that committee today. right now the committee is taking an hour off. but her showing up in the first place could have been a possible breakthrough for democrats battling for former trump aides and access to critical mueller report evidence. but apparently her appearance today because of that white house last ditch demand of executive privilege is not working out that way for the dems. the white house even insisted on having a white house lawyer sit in on the interview. joining me is ruth marcus washington post deputy columnist

and msnbc director. you are a lawyer, she's a former aide, but they're asserting executive privilege during her white house service which includes a number of these satisfied mueller report suggestions of possible obstruction of justice. >> there are a lot of legal questions here. one is this claim that i have not encountered before of preexecutive individual, that is when you're in the transition and you're preparing to help the president. i am aware of no court that has recognized or even entertained a claim of such privilege. there's the question of whether the privilege was waived when she answered the same questions from robert mueller. there's a question of whether the privilege is valid in the context of a congressional inquiry. usually these things are worked out in a back and forth of accommodation between the two branches. this was a skirmish that was

never going produce a lot of information i don't think from hope hicks. it's always going to be headed to the courts. i think the democrats on the judiciary committee may have the law on their sides. but i think the republicans and the trump administration have time on their side. because they can just stretch this out. >> let's talk about -- i want to talk about hope hicks because this is a personal drama. emily jane, you know her, she's trying to rebuild her life. she was arguably his closest aide. why don't you describe this relationship. she didn't say no but she showed up and not giving up the information they're looking for. >> their relationship was closer than any two people could have had in this administration. her office, which she wouldn't answer to today, a white house attorney blocked her from asking questions about where her office was in the west wing.

it was within spitting distance of the president. certainly within shouting distance. he would yell hopey. she left the white house more than a year ago. but they continued to stay in touch. i wrote a story about hope's new life in los angeles as head of communications for fox. in my reporting for that i found out that only did she still talk to the president but sometimes she would be reading through newspapers or magazines, find something she knew the president or people in his inner circle would like and send them hard copies, which is a trumpian thing to do. this is someone who is not fully out of the trump orbit even though she left her position in the white house. what i find interesting is i don't know that it says much that she showed up on capitol hill today. it was a subpoena. she's legally required to be there. i know other people like don mcgahn has not shown up. this was someone who i think is

going to comply with what she's legally required to do. but it seems as though she's not willing to do much beyond that. >> and according to our own colleague ken delainian, it's unsettled law as to whether a former official is covered by this situational immunity which is what they asserted for don mcgahn as well. it hasn't been tested. no supreme court case is the transition period. certainly never been asserted. but other presidents including obama and clinton have asserted this privilege for white house aides. >> for white house aides. i'm not certain, but i think there's a reasonable argument that the privilege night extend beyond your white house service. in other words, if the point of the privilege is to protect the the president from being able to have confidential and free wheeling communications with his aides without having to worry

about what happens without chilling that conversation, it's reasonable to think that the privilege might extend after that. that doesn't mean it covers everything. it doesn't mean it covers where your office was. it doesn't mean it survived reasonable requests for information. it doesn't answer those other questions about whether it extends back or it was waived. this is just the beginning of a legal fight. but i agree with emily jane, this is not a witness who seems to be chomping at the bit to tell her story to investigators or congress. she'll do only what she's required to do. she remains i think the president's hopey. >> and let me just say, it was behind closed doors, the democrats do not have that on camera moment with any witness, even someone saying they're not going to answer a question. and no matter what they do, as ruth just said, the white house has time on its side in this

standoff over getting information from the mueller report out in front of the republic. thank you both so much. coming up, places, please. we're just a week away from that first democratic debate. steve kornacki literally sets the stage for us next right here. stay with us on "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. n "andrea mitl reports" on msnbc. i can't tell you who i am or what i witnessed, but i can tell you liberty mutual customized my car insurance so i only pay for what i need. oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no...

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exactly a week before the first democratic debates here on msnbc, nbc and telemundo. we now know where each candidate will be standing on the stage in miami. the contenders who have been leading in the polls in the center on each of the two nights. let's bring in steve kornacki at the big board with more on the dynamics of stage placement and a memorable moment from debates past. >> that's right. first night, next wednesday june 26th. they take each of these groups of ten and then the podiums are done by poll placement. 9th, 8th, 7th and so on working all the way to elizabeth warren. next to her, beto o'rourke, cory booker on the other side. elizabeth warren the highest polling candidate in the first night of the debate. a lot of attention probably on here. if you look at the second night, the thursday night, here you've got four candidates who are really popping in the polls right now. right down the line, buttigieg,

biden, sanders, harris. they're going to be right there in the middle of the stage. they'll have plenty of company up there on the wings on the stage as well next thursday night. >> with interactions, it's going to be a split screen. it may not matter as much where you're standing. but they can interact with each other, there could be some, you know, obviously biden/bernie interest would be key. let's talk about moments past. past primary debates. >> we've been looking at the question do these debates matter? we've been looking at examples where maybe they did. here's another one from the vault. let's go back to 2012. remember this race? it was a republican presidential primary race. they had gone through iowa, gone through new hampshire. romney was the national frontrunner. they got to south carolina. what you're seeing is a poll the week before the 2012 south carolina primary. romney was out in front. looked like he was going to win. if he won south carolina, he puts everybody away on the spot.

and then they had a debate in south carolina. there had been a story about newt gingrich asking his first wife for an open marriage. came up at the debate and this is what happened. >> she said you asked her to enter into an open marriage. would you like to time to respond to that? >> no. but i will. i think the destructive vicious negative nature of the news media makes it harder to govern this country, harder to attract decent people to run for public office. i'm appalled you'd begin a presidential debate on a topic like that. >> gingrich turned a potentially devastating question around, got the audience onto his side and this poll days before the primary in 2012 look what happened. turned the entire price around. gingrich wins it. romney ends up winning the nomination. because of that his road was a lot bumpier because of that

debate. >> amazing. steve kornacki, going to the vault, thank you. coming up next, next hour, 2020 presidential candidate john hickenlooper in a live interview. demanding action, a new u.n. report calls for an investigation into the saudi crown prince's possible role in the killing of journalist jamal khashoggi. tim kaine joins me next. stay with us. khashoggi. tim kaine joins me next. stay with us that's why with dell small business technology advisors. you'll get tailored product solutions, expert tech advice and one-on-one partnership.

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an independent u.n. report into the killing of saudi journalist jamal khashoggi shows for the first time there's credible evidence that high level saudi officials, including the celebrated crowned prince were responsible for the gruesome murder and dismembering of the washington post writer. the 100 page report released today says the evidence warranted further investigation into the liability of high level officials, including the crowned prince who is the effective leader of the powerful gulf kingdom. joining me now is democratic senator tim kaine, who serves on the foreign relations and armed services committee and just came out of one committee hearing. 1st you were one of the big sponsors to cut off arm sales to the

saudis after suchokhashoggi. so where do we stand now that the u.n. is credibleaby raisinge issue? >> the report that was issued this morning right before our nomination hearing for president trump's nominee to be ambassador to the united states is very damming. it essentially repeats the cia's conclusion. it says that the kingdom of saudi arabia was responsible for this murder and the murder violated six fundamental principles of international human rights. it called on additional investigation to assign individual responsibility to people, including muhammad ben s salman. we were asking our potential ambassador to the u.n. whether she'd be committed to

accountability. there's a whole series of things that are happening in congress. we'll have a resolution on the floor next week to disapprove arm sales to the saudis, potentially up to 22 separate resolutions that we'll be voting on. there is a debate potentially on 20 revolutions they'll be voting on. his branding of nuclear technology to the saudis are raising the stakes and the likelihood of water and congress has to stand up against it. there is a lot that congress is considering right now. >> on a holiday weekend, the president despite the resolution he then sneaked in waiver granting $8 billion armed deals to the saudis and others in the region. what is congress doing to stand up to that? >> it is clear that the

president will turn a blind eye to everything that the saudis do. the murder of khashoggi and the i am practiceme imprisonment of women and the disaster in yemen and assembling technology program potentially are chinese cell. the president is turning a blind eye to all of it. however, there is a guaranteed vote because of a process in the senate where the president is trying to by pass congress on the armed sales but we get to have a vote on that in the senate next week and we'll see every senator will have to declare where they are. i can't guarantee that we'll be able to pass this approval by veto margin, every senator has to be accountable to how they vote. i don't think we should turn a blind eye to atrocity by saudi arabia. >> we have not had a u.n. ambassador for so many, many months, at critical times when evidence of iran and other things coming in before the u.n.

and this. today you just came from the hearing from our ambassador in canada. this was one of the noteworthy exchanges when senator mendez asking her questions. >> lay out briefly of what the united states faces. >> i see pressing issues as in issue that involves innocent people throughout the u.n. system, throughout the world that are being abused and having human rights abuses. >> she even mentioned iran. this is the person that's supposed to negotiate with the russian and other leaders at the united nation? she spent 128 days and 15 months on a private charter owned by

her billionaire husband in kentucky. what are your impression of this nominee? >> i press her about the khashoggi report since it just came out this morning. obviously this issue of her absent from the post, her assertion was that she was absent because she was doing work on mexico/canada deal. i think there is a big issue of this administration's nominee. it is not just a u.n. we have not had secretary of defense since secretary mattis stepped down. shanahan is gone. the president has put his weight on the army. my gut tells me what the administration is doing right now, andrea, is trying to hold all the power in the white house

and have a lot of people out in the agencies or at the u.n. who are in sort of acting capacity that reduces congressional oversight and give the president more ability to yankees their chain. we have people that are out there that are not really acting with the position demands because the president seems to like it. he likes these actings rather than fully confirms because it enables him to run things more from the political shop at the white house, let the experts decisions. to be continued, thank you tim kaine. >> thank you. >> captain sully is on the hill of what he's saying about the b boeing max planes 737. stay with us. max planes 737. stay with us

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critical new testimony from behind the miracle behind the hudson. nbc's tom costello is joining me now on boeing max 737. >> as you know boeing max 737's have been grounded. all they need is an ipad and computer training to do so. this well-known american rather, u.s. airlines pilot sully says

that's not good enough. >> it is critical that pilots as soon as possible experienced in a full motion level desimulator, all the effects of the mcas system, they need to develop a muscle memory. especially for things that operate in a counter intuitive way. we must be made aware of it and its complications. we must experience it firsthand before we can face a crisis in flight with an airplane full of passengers. >> there may be no other airline pilots in america who's better known and who carries more weight with his opinion. he of course, the pilot on the hudson and so as he today says pilots should have simulator time that's going to carry not only with more lawmakers but

also at the faa and it is going to put more pressure on boeing to ensure that pilots get simulator time. the latest timeline for when 737 planes may return is probably august or late zeseptember. >> thank you, that's it for today. here is stephanie and ali from "velshi & ruhle." >> hello everyone, i am ali velshi. >> stephanie ruhle. one of trump's confidante is testifying. >> i like what you did there, glimmer of hope. >> president trump considers a pardon, we'll be life from the courthouse and know apology. president trump once called for the execution of the c