providers, first time that's happened since roe v. wade in 1973. tomorrow, there's going to be a crucial court hearing in state court in missouri about whether or not that last clinic can stay open as the state government shuts them down. the judge is due to weigh in and we will be watching it closely. that does it and we will see you again tomorrow. it's time for lawrence o'donnell. >> i was so, so happy for you at 5:27 p.m. today when the transcripts came into our hands here. i thought she's got three hours. a little more than three hours with the transcripts. this is gonna be great and i was right. it was great. >> it was almost enough time to kaftan actor. you know what i mean? >> no, that's not why we are watching, rachel.

no, it's all about rachel reads the transcripts. that's the show. >> i have to work on different voices for different people. >> no, you got it. i learned a lot. >> for this job doesn't work out for me, i might stand on a streets corner and see if somebody will pay me to do this. >> it's working out pretty well for you and good enough to help the ratings of this tv show. thank you very much for that. we will be joined by three presidential candidates beginning with cory booker and including the republican presidential candidate running against donald trump in the republican primaries. yes, there is one. former massachusetts governor bill weld and joined by last night's big news maker from illinois. we presented it as breaking news at this hour last night when the congresswoman announced on twit they're she now supports

impeachment of president trump. many of you saw us here last night, wonder being whether the congresswoman checked with nancy pelosi before she made that announcement. did speaker pelosi try to talk her out of it or encourage her to do it. tonight we get to ask the punish who knows the answers to all those questions. she will join us at the end of a day when the house judiciary committee released the transcript of former white house staffer hope hicks' testimony and she refused to answer 155 questions in her testimony yesterday. she did say that she believed president trump when me told george stephanopoulos in a tv interview, "i think i'd take it." meaning the president would illegally accept information about his campaign opponent from a foreign government. hope hicks told the committee " i don't think that was a joke."

our first guest tonight, senator cory booker today announced a new proposal to offer clemens tow 17,000 federal prisoners for nonviolent drug offenses. senator booker calls it the most sweeping clemency initiative in more than 150 years. senator booker can implement this plan under the president's constitutional power to grand partons and clemency without consultation with congress. he will give us more details on the proposal in a moment, but we will begin our conversation with the sharp disagreement that e resulted between cory booker and joe biden that began with reports of what joe biden said at a fund-raiser that was open to the press. he described his experience working in the senate and working with political opponents. i was in a caucus with james o. eastland, mr. biden said, briefly channelling the late mississippi senator's southern drawl. he always call mead son.

mr. biden brought up a deceased georgia senator and one of the meanest guys i ever knew. you go down the list of all these guys. guess what. at least there was civility and got things done. we got things done. cory booker issued a statement saying you don't joke about calling black men boys. he used words like that and the racist policies that accompanied them and strip black americans of humanity. i'm disappointed that he has not issued an immediate apology. he should. then this happened. >> how does it feel that your democratic rivals are implicitly saying you have issues talking about race? >> they know better. >> you going to apologize sf. >> apologize for what? >> cory booker called for it. >> cory should apologize. he knows better.

there is not a racist bone in my body. i have been involved in civil rights my whole career. period, period, period. >> senator and presidential candidate, cory booker. thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. >> i want to get your reaction to what we heard joe biden say. i know you had a phone call after he said that. before the phone call when you saw him say that and said cory should apologize, what was your feel being that? >> i said my peace yesterday. he said i should know better. i feel strongly what i know is that joe biden should not need to be explained to about why that word is so hurtful. why what he said would be something that people would find offensive and harmful and not advanced like we should hope for a nominee or for the leader of our party to advance the cause of racial reconciliation and

getitous a point where we feel mutually invested in healing a lot of these racial disparities that exist in our country. i am glad we had a good constructively conversation last night. >> the call came after all of what we just saw. joe biden called you up. >> right. again, he said i should apologize? >> did he say it on the phone call? >> no, on the video. he did not -- that was a bit too far. look, at the end of the day, it's not about me or him, but where our country is. we have real race issues in our country and we need leaders, plural, presidential candidates or not, that can bring folks together and deepen understanding and empathy and get us to a point where we can work on a lot of the issues that have deep scarred legacies in our country. when i go back to a black and

brown neighborhood, you can see the legacy of this past. for him to dredge it up in the way that it harms and hurrs, we had a constructively conversation about that. i let him know he is someone i respect. >> you said that yesterday in your comments. you respect him. that was not the issue. >> no, i have love and gratitude for him. these are tough times for a lot of people, especially given the climate we have where you see a rise in race-based attacks and a rise in violence that's going on in our community. >> how long did you talk? >> 15 or 20 minutes. >> did either ask the other for an apology. >> i don't want to characterize a private conversation. joe biden should explain to people because it's not about me. i don't feel like i want an apology to me. this is something he should

speak to the public about and i think he has an opportunity here. >> you said it was a constructively conversation. i would interpret ta to me he said things to you that clarified what he was trying to say? >> i had an opportunity to explain to him further how and why african-americans, men who have been called boy before. why racist senators like those would look at him and call him son as seeing themselves in him. see in a black man and call them boy because they don't see themselves, but see someone they are dehumanizing or degradegradi having conversations like that is the dialogue that is a constructively thing. i appreciate that. >> did you feel better understood by him at the end of the conversation? >> absolutely. >> did you come to a better understanding of his side of the

experience? >> think i understood very well even before the conversation. i understand where his intentions were and his heart was. it's not about me or him. he said things that are hurtful and harmful and i believe he should be apologizing to the american people in having this discussion with all of us and there is an opportunity here now for someone who is a former vice president and is seeking to be the leader of the party and the nation. for him to speak to these issues. i waited for almost a day for him to do that and he did not do that. that's why i felt the need to speak out. we have real issues that are related to what we are about to talk about. we have a criminal justice system that is no different for blacks and whites, but blacks are more likely to be criminalized for it and even for our children.

the same infractions in schedule schools. blacks are more likely to have an out of school suspension and black kids being shot by police because they were perceived as a threat. we have real racial problems in this country and even in health care. black women almost four times more likely to die in childbirth, maternal mortality rates are so much higher based along racial lines. you can go through income, health care, housing. you can see how implicit racial bias and scars and policies of the past that walled off communities like the one i live in. red lining and disinvestment. we have real challenges because we need each other. we really do. we need to deepen understanding and have a more courageous empathy. we don't need folks to say i'm not a racist. we need to be anti-racist and be allies of ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation.

we need to do a better job of standing up for each recollect or harming or dredging up things from the past. >> one more point about where you and joe biden are. could you run on a ticket with joe biden? >> i don't think there should be two men on a ticket. i think given the field we have, extraordinary people, we should have tickets with racial and gender diversity. we are a party that should talk to who we are as a nation. we are a nation with extraordinary. >> you will get a lot of delegates who agree with ow that. would either one of you, do you think, have a struggle endorsing and campaigning for the other if the other is on that ticket? >> i'm going to say this with as much gravity as i can communicate. whoever comes out as our nominee, everybody, everybody

should join ranks and support them and help them. in any way, in dialogue that we have been seeing, not just me but others in the african-american community have been speaking out, i hope it makes and is a learning process. i believe in a kindness and i have friends across the aisle that i can write desertations with. i believe in kindness and decency and civility, but i also believe that truth must be told. we should hold folks accountable and you shouldn't try to gloss over or cover over when there is something hurtful or harmful. you do a disservice in the face of something that is disrespectful or harmful or hurtful. especially when it goes to the deep scars that exist in our society and manifest themselves today. >> what would you say about what it's like working in mitch mcconnell's senate?

i have to say in my own experience as a senate staffer, my feeling is once you are about two years out, you have no idea what that senate is like. the dynamics change in ways when i look at your senate, i have no idea how it works except what i'm saying is something that doesn't work. joe biden has not been working in the senate in a while. the vice president as a role, but you are there every day in what is a senate controlled by mitch mcconnell. what doesn't joe biden understand about that that was contained in what he was talking about of this older period where working with opponents was something more likely to occur? >> it wasn't that many years ago that he was the vice president of the united states. he has a good understanding of the senate and that's some of the things on his mind and for me to speak the state of his mind, i will tell you what i have seen. that's an erosion of the institution.

majoritarian culture where the tribalism we see in the politics, zero sum gain politics is beginning to infiltrate a body that used to have more comity and sense of consensus. we are seeing the judiciary branch which used to be a place where you saw a moderation. now you are seeing a branch lurching to the extremes and people trying out for the judiciary, waving extremism and writings and speeches that they give trying to show how extreme they are. the trump judges that don't need 60 votes. now you see the traditions being eroded as they are trying to change it. we are at a real problem in america. i see it in our media and in our politics. i see it in the senate where we are that tribalism that is

caring us apart from what we need as leaders and systems that call us to a more beloved community. a lot of people talk about me because i talk about those words, beloved and loved. patriotism is love of country and you cannot love your country unless you love your fellow men and women. love is sacrifice and struggle. love is standing up and saying your kids don't have a great public schools, my kids are less off. if you are facing injustice, injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. we don't have to like or agree with each other, but this is a moment in american history where one of the causes of our moment is to try to resist the tribalism and speak to the common values and the common cause. as i travel and the blessing i have to be a candidate and travel from foreign country to inner cities to suburbs, i see

from the opioid epidemic and high cost of prescription drugs and jobs without dignity and common pain that we have lost that sense of common purpose. this election is not a referendum on one guy and one off. it's who we are and who we must be to each other. if we make it about that guy, beating him is urgent and believe i can do it, i'm in this race because that's a floor. it's not the ceiling. it gets us out of the valley, but we have to get to the mountain top because there is too much savage injustices from public schools who don't serve our kids all the way to that veteran who listens to us sing a song, home of the brave and literally on the streets homeless or considering suicide because they don't have their back. billions of dollars and sending them overseas to fight and they don't have the resources. this is what we need and the empathy and revival of grace and a collective urgency to deal

with the unfinished business. >> let's talk about the proposal related to your disagreement with joe biden. there was joe biden talking about having to work with o ponens in the senate and work across the aisle. you don't have tro work with kbon this. your idea is to use presidential power and the pardon and the clemency power to simply look at as many as 17,000 federal prisoners on nonviolent drug charges and say through presidential power after screening those cases, these people have served there're time. they can go. this is one of the proposals that mitch mcconnell can't say anything whether he is in the senate or not. >> there are people incarcerated in the united states unjustly. number one, we legalized marijuana all over the place and have people in prison for doing things that two of the last three presidents admitted to doing.

we have people in the united states on the crack cocaine and powder cocaine disparity moved down to 18 to 1. that doesn't reflect science of the drug disproportionately affecting black and brown people. on a bill that i red r led with sdik durbin that said hey, we need to lower the mandatory minimums. we never made that retroactive. someone was sentenced the day before gets a much longer sentence. if 87 senators agree that bill that the sentences are adjusting too long. it should apply retroactively. marijuana crimes, crack powder cocaine disparity and the ones that should have been made retroactive and about 17,000 americans deserve to have their liberty and i want everyone to join me on this. >> this is not dione after you take the oath of office and you go back to the oval office and do it, but you propose a

screening commission to make sure they are as simple and clear as you think they are and pass them. >> right. we want to make sure that nobody poses a threat and what happened to you. all that we will make sure. the most fundamental idea and the founders talked about that, this idea of liberty and to take liberty in an unjust manner is a cancer on the soul of our country. you and i sit here and 75% of the people in our jails have not been tried yet. this idea of money bail in our country is so offense testify me and people we have a debtor's prisons. for the people as president of the united states, i will use my power of clemency to liberate those unjustly incarcerated. no apology and no hesitation. i'm proud that was because of the idea of libertiy is so sacred. i than crack cocaine disparity,

the 18-1, that 96% of people were unjust lie incarcerated were black and latino. this is a system that is as michelle alexander calls it, the new jim crow. it is so against black and brown people. you and i know this. i went to stanford. they were not doing stop and frisks and raiding people's homes to find adderall, ecstasy and marijuana. all these things were going on. we have a nation that everyone is moving to legalize marijuana. the consequences for those of privilege who use it are different. in 2017 we had more marijuana possession arrests than all the violent crimes combined. we are still criminalizing certain people for that drug. as president of the united states, i want to uphold the ideals of our country and the

most sacred of which is the ability to control your owned about and have your own liberty. i will be blunt and transparent. i want everybody in the field to agree with me. whoever the next president of the united states is even if it's not me, i want them to be locked in right now to saying i will do the same thing. every day you wait to liberate someone unjustly incarcerated is the violation of the ideals of our country. i will make sure that i continue to fight from day one to reform a broken criminal justice system that has one out of three incarcerated women on the planet earth in the united states of america. one out of every four incarcerated beam only 5% of the globe's population. overwhelming because of the war on drugs and it's a war on people. not all people. low income people. addicted people. mentally ill people.

veterans incarcerated by the drug war and black and brown people who now it's so bad that we have more black people under criminal supervision than all the slaves in 1860. this has got to stop. >> the presidential international crisis of the day, iran shoots down a military drone in the strait of hormuz. you are in the oval office. what do you do. >> clearly facts matter. but as i see it as a president whose foreign policy is toxic twitter trolling, no strategy. not stranding with our allies. whatever you agree with on the iran anti-nuclear deal, we were standing with our allies and china and russia had transparency and verification of their enrichment programs and abiding by the deal and inspectors and others. this president pulled out that

was deal and alienated our allies and before escalating them, they are responding and threatening to go back to enrichment and pushing further and further to breaking out with a nuclear weapon and elevating this crisis. where we are right now as a result of bad decisions by an administration who in many ways is making the region less safe whether it's participation in the bombing in yemen, whether it's the threatening to pull troops out of afghanistan and yielding syria not protecting kurds and yielding that area to more iranian and russian influence. this is a foreign policy president that has shown disastrous decisions that made us, israel, and the region less safe and has a better relationship with putin and kim than with merkel and may and macron we are the strongest nation on planet earth. american might. that strength is multiplied and

magnified when we stand with allies in constructively coalitions that help to keep this world and make it a safer place. this president is violating that and creating dangerous situations and beating the drumbeat of war and barrels us closer and closer to another multitrail yon dollar life threatening engagement in conflict in the mideast and it's unfortunate. >> senator cory booker, we crashed through a commercial break, but it was worth it. i have a feeling at the debate, you may not get to say everything you want to say. we are open for business here the next night so you can always come back and you will always be able to finish your responses here. >> i appreciate it. >> we'll be right back. mutual customized my can y car insurance so i only pay for what i need. oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no...

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made news last night. >> today i am announcing that i believe that the house of representatives should begin an impeachment inquiry officially. >> this morning another illinois member of congress, freshman shawn kaston followed her lead. >> should there be an impeachment inquiry against donald trump? >> with great regret, the answer is yes. i came here as a businessman and a scientist and wanted to work on climate change and that was not why i came, but the daily assaults on the consdpugz what we know russia did and the failure of the president to allow us to do our job as i think made this a necessity. >> two more democratic members announced support today. california democrat tony cardenas and congresswoman nidia velasquez.

>> i have long viewed impeachment as a last resort. not just because it is politically divicive, but it must be grounded in the facts. today given the facts available, i believe an impeachment inquiry is the only path forward. >> that brings the total number of democratic member who is support impeachment to 72 and one republican member of the house supports impeachment. joining us now is from illinois's ninth district. thank you very much for joining us tonight. i don't know if you saw us here last night trying to guess what went on between and you nancy pelosi before you made this announcement. tell us, about you check with nancy pelosi? did she ask you not to do it? did she want to you do it? >> she didn't, but i was sitting on my couch in my robe watching

you speculate, all of you on what nancy might have said. i did check with her and we had a conversation about it. i told her that i was going to make this announcement. she never tried to talk me out of it. she continued to make clear that our caucus is going to continue legislating and litigating and doing all the things we need to do to do the investigating to make sure that -- nancy pelosi has never shied away from talking about the president of the united states. as someone who committed crimes, someone who is unfit for office, as i have. she didn't try to talk me out of this. she is proceeding ahead vigorously to do what she has been doing. >> congresswoman, i know that nancy pelosi does not have a

stronger supporter in the house than you. also congresswoman velasquez. when you see the two of you coming out within 24 hours of each other in that this way, am i wrong to look at this as snag nancy pelosi not only does not oppose, but actually supports? >> no, that is not the case. this is very personal. for me it's very personal. not only have i heard from over 1,000 people from my district, but it's personal because my son has been encouraging me. how could you, mom, as a progressive democrat? is there someone who is more deserving of being impeached? we are not the founding fathers thinking about the possibility of a donald trump? is there a better example of someone who has defied the constitution and who has obstructed justice and who is

every day diminishing our democracy? i thought about this almost as a legacy issue. what am i going to say to him today and what will i say to my grandchildren tomorrow in a situation like this? on the other hand, i am not whipping other members and trying to convince other members. everybody has to make their own decision and in the meantime, we are proceeding forward in unveiling every day. you saw the hearing today with hope hick and it is kind of stonewalling that we are getting and the cover up. more and more american people are seeing that every day. >> when i was working there, i saw situations where members of the house and the senate were going to take a position that was difficult for the leadership at that time. there were a lot of ways for the leadership to play it, including asking the most loyal members, please don't do that. that's something nancy pelosi

could have asked to you do. can you give me a week or a month or wait until after labor day. that is usually something that the loyal member who is support the leadership are willing to do for the leadership. nancy pelosi didn't ask to you delay it. she didn't ask to you pause in any way. she heard what you said you wanted to do. she basically said thank you for telling me. >> exactly. i gave her a heads up. we had a very cordial and friendly conversation. look, she's not like the president of the united states who asked jim comcomey, are you going to be loyal or try to get the attorney general to unrecuse himself because the attorney general is supposed to protect me. nancy is the most sure footed politician i have ever seen and is very confident in what she

believes and what she is doing and not trying to press anybody to do anything. >> what has been the reaction so far in your district? >> really been overwhelmingly positive. as i said, i have been hearing from my constituents. it is a progressive district and diverse in many ways. also a solid democratic district. most of the people that i hear from have been very, very positive about impeachment. the other thing that is really important that nancy makes the point, impeachment inquiry is not going to end with the end of donald trump. that's ultimately the goal. we want to be sure we defeat and that is the most like leeway to defeat him. by mobilizing our troops and all the people who want impeachment, we want to see them registering voters and mobilizing their

friends and family to get out to vote. i think it's unlikely that the senate would act on this. so we have to get rid of him. this is clear. we are not going to likely do it because we end up impeaching him. it's important to say that nancy pelosi has never taken impeachment off the table. if there are stunning revelations that are coming that we manage to get and that's not impossible, anybody who has read that mueller report, i read it all the way through, it is slam dunk. the man has obstructed justice. he has attacked our institutions and he is blatantly flouting the lies. we have seen it recently with this idea that i will take any dirt from foreign governments and i may or may not report it to the fbi.

we also saw that the head of the election commission said let me make this 100% clear to the american people and to all candidates, it is illegal to do what the president suggested. >> congresswoman, i want to get a little bit more cooperation next time you are breaking news like last night. when you are at home on the sofa watching this show talking about the news that you just broke, just pick up the phone and call us. you can stay in your pajamas. just call us. them the speculation ends and how did it go and what did you say to speaker pelosi. >> okay, lawrence. i will be on the phone. >> do it from the sofa next time. appreciate you joining me. >> thank you, lawrence. >> when we come back, the republican, and there is one who is running against donald trump

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quit smoking slow turkey. talk to your doctor about chantix. >> today president trump seemed to back away from a confrontation with iran after promising a confrontation in threatening-sounding tweets and public comments about iran shooting down an unarmed military drone over the strait of hormuz. he claims it violated the airspace and the united states insists it did not. and now president trump is saying he doesn't believe it was intentional. >> i find it hard to believe it was intentional if you want to know the truth. it could have been somebody who was loose and stupid. we will be able to report back and you will understand exactly what happened. it was a foolish move, that i can tell you. >> after congressional leaders

met for a brief on iran, nancy pelosi reminded the country what a president is supposed to sound like. >> how we go forward from here has to be strategic and smart and close alliance with our allies that we had common interest in the region. we know that the high tension wires are up there and we must do everything we not to escalate the situation, but also to make sure that our personnel in the region are safe. >> have you personally convinced this was an iranian attack in international space? >> yes. >> in the house judiciary transcript there is this exchange with jerry nadler and hope hicks and the lawyers from the white house.

during that time, where in the west wing did you sit in relation to the oval office. white house lawyer, i'm going object here, mr. chairman. again this talks about chairman nadler, can i will ask what privilege is being asserted to object to that question other than the nonexistent presidential general immunity or whatever you call it. white house lawyer, mr. chairman i understand you agree with the position and the advice provided by the department of justice that has been used by administrations in both parties. chairman nadler, i'm not going to debate it. it's nonsense. bill weld was a staffer at the same time that hillary clinton was a staffer working on the impeachment of richard nixon. bill weld say republican candidate running against president trump in the republican primaries. bill weld joins us now. governor, thank you very much for joining us.

>> thank you, lawrence. >> i want to work backwards with your experience in the nixon impeachment proceedings to a discussion of where we are with iran. let's start with that. these moments in that meeting yesterday where white house counsel are leaning in over a witness who no longer works at the white house saying she didn't even answer the question about where her desk was. >> clearly they are trying to obstruct the investigation and there is no longer any reason to delay impeachment proceedings. the initiation against mr. trump. 1,000 prosecutors said he is guilty of obstruction of justice under the mueller report. you don't have to argue about that anymore. the initiation is not the end of it. inquiries find out facts. facts are trump's worst enemies. all of them are on the table. he is secretive and goes out of

his way to conceal from the american people things he has done. on iran he is trying to get himself out of another mess of his own making. the nixon inquiry in the house took 10 months. it will be april or may, almost nomination time by a time the proceeding in the senate. it will be past election. the whole time between now and then would be rolling out, first the house and then the senate. again, the white house rolling out the facts that show donald trump's guilt. the american people have a right to hear that before, during, and after the election. >> let's go to the international crisis of the day with iran. let's get your reaction to how the president handled it. >> boots on the ground to the middle east is not a very stable part of the world in order to effectuate an ill-conceived regime change is a less good idea than to send troops to afghanistan which itself is not a good idea.

he candidly did not realize they keep them from developing a nuclear weapon that he tore to shreds and never knew china was not going to be a party and didn't know the allies were party it is to iran deal. it's like the nafta agreement. he said it's the worst treaty ever negotiate and had to get himself out of a tough spot because there was nothing he could change and renegotiated the identical treaty. he doesn't know what he's doing in the foreign policy area. he's clueless. >> do you expect to see him try to renegotiate some version of the obama deal with iran? >> i would love to see it. frankly i think buying 10 years during which time the sentiment in the street of the iranian people to tilt more towards the

west and i'm not holding out a lot of hope for softening with members of the revolutionary guard, but 10 years is a long time and iran and the people, not the supreme leader and the revolutionary guard, but the people, they don't want the hard line and i think the 10-year investment is well worth it. that's a long time and the iranians complied with the treaty and up until now, trump is so exacerbated the situation because he has national security adviser, john bolton and have affection for john. we served together in the justice department. when john bolton wakes up in the morning, he wants to attack something or somebody. he is one of the most aggressive folks i have ever met. we are on a course to have a complete -- in the mideast. we will send troops. every time i think someone insulted me, we will send troops there.

it's the opposite of what he said in the campaign. he was going to be noninterventionist. if your first reaction is boots on the ground, 20 to 23-year-old american young men and women and put them in harm's way and risk their blood because we see something in another country we don't like because a loose stupid person fired a missile at a drone and we are not sure where it was, that's not worth troops. it has to take a lot more than that to be worth boots on the ground. he is over his depth. >> former massachusetts governor, bill weld, thank you for joining us. >> we will hear from the third presidential candidate tonight after this break. when crabe stronger...strong, with new nicorette coated ice mint. layered with flavor... it's the first and only coated nicotine lozenge. for an amazing taste... ...that outlasts your craving. new nicorette ice mint.

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now for our third presidential candidate of the hour, montana's democratic governor steve bullock managed to win the governorship in a state that donald trump won by

20 points. nbc's cal perry went to montana and interviewed him about the issues he's highlighting in his presidential campaign, and joining us is nbc news correspondent cal perry. seems his biggest problem is getting noticed and getting the name recognition. >> a democrat in a red state, that formula should work. should be something the dnc is interested in. he's trying to do it with an administration that would like to have no other conversation in the world, and he's doing it in a state that for a large part has kept the lights on in the western part of this country for decades. it has relied on coal. now coal is becoming inefficient, and especially in 2019. >> i'm just absolutely amazed at the big open skies. >> everything that we're seeing around us is absolutely beautifully carved. >> one of the reasons i wanted to come here is just enjoy the park and tell people that this place. >> these places are set aside because they're specialment

these places are changing and they're changing fast. >> it's gorgeous and we're worried about the receding glaciers. >> temperatures are on the rise across america, montana is warming twice as fast, according to the government's own climate assessment. the state is home to tiny coal towns which historically have provided the western united states with its energy needs, small towns that are now fighting for survival, fighting in a state that also has the nation's most treasured natural wonders. anytime you're talking about climate and politics in america and glacier national park has to be a part of the conversation, according to the national park service there is an estimated 150 glaciers here in 1850, today there's only 25. >> fewer days below freezing and more days above 90 degrees is changing the state, less snowfall and earlier melt each year means more fires, they are bigger and burning longer. professor diana stick studies the impact of forest fires.

>> this is naturally a fire landscape. should be burning. it's just that we're seeing a lot of fires now. >> dan measures the disappearing glaciers. because of climate change, his field of study is naturally widening. >> when you have changes like this, they cascade through the whole system. the same things melting the glaciers are causing changes in forest fire frequency and severity. the current administration says they don't lose sleep about this, i certainly do. montana governor steve bullock is trying to find a way to balance the realities of climate change in a state with an energy that depends on coal, doing it while running for president inside the democratic party. >> as we make transitions we can't be leaving communities behind. there are folks that have worked their whole life powers this countries and at times, democrats and others tried to make them into the villains. >> for small towns like coal

strip, climate change is going to be a discussion about revenue and jobs. the plant behind me is within city limits. it accounts for 90% of the town's revenue. two buildings at coal strip power plant in operation since the mid-70s will shut down just a week after christmas. >> you're going to see a drop in revenue locally. >> lory shaw is a former city council member and the founder of coal united, a pro coal advocacy group. >> a town, a state, a community is wholly reliant on only one or two industries, that makes us vulnerable, and i think we should be always looking for ways to diversify and become more resilient. >> even while faced with certain economic collapse, many here want people outside montana to know they understand the difficult balance. >> we're not just like a bunch of nature hating monsters, you know, like we have our lives here.

and we have families. >> i believe that we need to have a beautiful environment, but what people don't get is coal got us where we are. >> climate change is real. we might be not leaving anything for our children or grandchildren if we're not careful, so we have to address it. >> we got to address climate change, we got to do it now, and we actually are at the point now in the country where maybe it was lip service 30 years ago, but if we're not take immediate durable action now, the america that we're going to give and the world that we're going to give to our kids and grand kids is going to be the america we live in. >> now, the dnc is not particularly interested in having a debate about this single issue either but governor bullock is doing a good job showing us that democrats are not all fossil fuel haters, republicans are not all climate deniers, when you look at the polling in places like iowa and new hampshire, climate change might be third, second, but when you look at number one, it's usually health care, it's

usually things that will relate sooner or later to climate change. governor bullock is doing a good job of whipping up a young base of voters that care about this issue. look at the formula here, when you're looking at a candidate that can run against donald trump in places like pennsylvania and ohio, you're looking at a governor from a red state who carried it by 4 points. as you said, trump carried it by 20. >> he didn't qualify for the debates so what's his plan during debate night? >> knocking on doors. he has qualified for the second one so the campaign's happy. >> cal perry, thank you very much for joining us. i appreciate it. that is tonight's last word, the 11th hour with brian williams starts now. tonight, the president warns iran has made a big mistake and the united states will not stand for it. after iran shot down a u.s. drone near the strait of hormuz. but trump leaves himself some options, questioning iran's true intentions. congressional leaders have been briefed and the question tonight on either end of pennsylvania avenue, if and when the u.s.

retaliates. also, house judiciary's transcript of hope hicks, the 155 unanswered questions and the ones she did answer and how she broke from the boss. the 11th hour on a thursday "the 11th hour" on a thursday night begins now. good evening, once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york, i'm ali velshi in for brian williams. day 882 of the trump administration and tensions in the middle east have reached a new height tonight after iran shot down an american unmanned surveillance drone in the gulf of oman, adjacent to the strait of hormuz last night. the united states says the drone was shot down in international airspace. that's the dot on the left of your screen. iran claims it was shot down over iranian territorial waters. the difference wouldn't be big. both countries agree it was shot