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in humanity and making her question who she is and her faith in humanity. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline." thank you for watching. good morning, i'm jo ling kent. 6:00 here out east, 3:00 out west. back from the brink. what it says it didn't do. the white house on how and why the president stopped a counter attack. the government plans to crack down this weekend on undock you meanted immigrants and some cities are refusing to help the feds. new accuser, hear from the
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woman behind the latest accusations against the president and hear what he is saying in denial. nearly two dozen democrats descend on south carolina and get one minute to speak. details next. good morning, we begin with escalating details. the faa warning commercial airlines to avoid flying over the region as iran shows off debris that is remnants of the u.s. drone it claims to have shot down. president trump in an interview is defending the decision to call off the military strike against iran after he learned how many people would have been killed. new questions this morning about how it all unfolded reporting that the president had been briefed about the potential risk and casualties and action around 7:00 p.m. when he appeared to
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change his mind. >> we have two reports this morning from tehran and from the white house. ali, you first. what new have we learned? >> reporter: well, there are some troubling signals being sent from washington and tehran to one another. president trump's decision to order and then a bort an attack sends a powerful message and tehran sends significant warning of its own and claiming they showed restraint as they say a us aircraft carrying some 20 or 30 passengers was also in iranian airspace but they decided not to hit it and downed the drone instead to send the message. tehran calli
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tehran and this stand off continues, i can tell you iran is feeling some what emboldened. there has been an unremitting pressure campaign. the u.s. pulled out of the new deal. oil sales have been dramatically reduced. they've been threatened with war and causing mayhem in the region. none of this pressure has yielded the results president trump hoped for. the people in iran are not posed to hope for the ruling and establishment. nor showing any signs of returning to the negotiating table. touting the shooting down as a victory and they say it shows the prowess and how they could take down a highly expensive piece of military hardware.
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let's take a recap of recent events. iran has been touting the shooting down of the drone as a major victory and warning that this is a clear message to the united states that iran is a tough nut to crack. the chief commander in charge of the aerospace unit said his forces recovered the debris from the drone in iranian waters which they have now put on display. at this stage, there is no way for us to verify that beg the drone and no way to doubt it. sending messages from the drone but the messages he says were ignored. he added that a uspa military aircraft carrying 20 or 30 passengers was also in iranian airspace but they decided not to hit this and down the drone instead to send a warning signal
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to the u.s. and joling, iran has been taunting president trump saying he didn't have the guts to attack iran or the military and if america was to attack iran, they would receive a crushing response. >> thank you. to mike now at the white house. what is the latest reaction from the president on this drama? >> the huge back and forth hereof mixed messages from the president himself tweeting that united states and his administration was quote/unquote cocked and loaded to carry out the retaliation to carry out the downed drone. according to the initial tweet, he asked about ten minutes before the strike could go, before go time. turned to ask his general, how many people were going to be killed in this air strike.
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at one point, the president said he called it off. when he sat down with chuck todd later, it was a different story. i said something before you go, how many people will be killed? in this case iranians. he said, sir, about 150. i thought about it. they shot down an unmanned drone and here we are sitting with 150 dead people that would have taken place within a half an hour after i said go ahead. i didn't like it. i didn't think it was proportionate. >> what difference does it make? 10 minutes or 30 minutes? presumably he was briefed all
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along. he would have been informed of the estimated casualty count on that point. the indecisiveness critics are pointing out, we've yet to hear the complete fall out from this process and exactly what happened. >> great to see you at the white house. thank you. joining me now, the senior reporter with business insider. and reporter with politico and coauthor of politico playbook. what seems to be the truth about how and why the president decided to put a stop to the strike? >> it is interesting to look at this because there are so many competing voices and narratives. one of the overarching things that has been reported is that the president was being urged specifically by the fox news host tucker carlson to refrain from carrying out a military strike. we have seen past reports from
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this administration, the president seems to rely more on instincts and institutions. he hasn't had a defense secretary in six months. the acting defense secretary is on his way out. there are all these competing factions in the white house. a lot of time when this happens, there is chaos around this president, he seems to rely on the people he trusts the most. many of whom are in the media sphere. >> you've got the national security advisor and others. who or what from inside or outside the white house could have influenced the president not to follow through here? >> tucker carlson is kind of
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like the shadow national security advisor. he's not a big fan of bolton. bolton has been going far out to try to push the iranians so he can justify a strike. you put mike pompeo in that category, he was fine with the strike. he did make the point that those sanctions were working against the iranians and we should let those play out a little bit more instead of having the strike that maybe the europeans would have condemned. people from the military, the dod officials, they were also raising concerns because they know that this could have escalated and american troops could have been at risk. >> on thursday, president trump had this to say about iranians
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shooting down an american drone. take a listen. >> i think probably iran made a mistake. i would imagine a general or somebody would have made a mistake shooting that drone down. i have a feeling it was somebody that should not have been doing what they did. i don't think it was intentional. i think it was somebody that was lose and stupid that did it. >> does this sound like the president has been trying to find an use not to retaliate against iran? >> it seems to reflect the internal struggle that trump seems to have a lot of the time especially when it comes to a potential military conflict. mainly, the competition between his instinct to project a tough guy attitude and show that u.s. isn't going to be messed with.
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put that against the key campaign promise the president made which was we are not going to get into costly and unnecessarily conflicts overseas. this seems to be between his own instinct to react and reject the policy and that is his way of trying to square those two things. >> interesting. i want you both to stick with me. first, i want to get to today's other big headline. more cities are defying the trump administration vowing not to cooperate with the mass arrest of undocumented families starting early tomorrow morning. i.c.e. plans to arrest as many as 2,000 families and will focus on a deportation order or those who have missed a court hearing. this is far less than the
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millions the president threatened to report as he launched his reelection campaign. some cities say it won't help i.c.e. agents including chicago, washington, d.c., denver and los angeles. the acting i.c.e. director suggesting the mass arrests are meant to be a deterrent against immigrants trying to enter the u.s. >> right now, one of the greatest pull factors is they know once they arrive, they remain here untouched. we have to change that message. >> is this about instilling fear or a pr push? >> no one is instilling fear. this is about the rule of law and maintaining the integrity of the system. i.c.e. has been doing this. this is their job. we do this every day, all day. i think the president is making clear his commitment an our commitment to do just that. >> right now, some undocumented
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immigrants to stay out of sight and asking us to remember their legal rights including the right to attorney and to remain silent. a bleak look at detention facilities near the border in el paso, texas. we are being told there is not enough food, water or sanation. some children are having to take care of other babies and children as young as six years old. we are seeing sick children, dirty children, hungry children, children who have been separated from parents and family members, children who have been separated from siblings. back with me now, sonam and
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daniel. >> this is about politics and not policy. we saw marge an say that this is about the rule of law and enforcing the law. the president seemed to undercat that to significant extent when he announced this operation because it is very unusual for the president to announce a major law enforcement operation like this. it could potentially undermine what i.c.e. and the president claim to want to do. his decision to announce this and say this is in force of the campaign being kicked off. >> being announced on twitter in such a public forum, he may have undermined the chances of
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getting more arrested. what does that say to you about how the president wants to see this played out and put into effect? >> this is a president who seems to telegraph every thought he has. i don't think the i.c.e. and dhs officials that are briefing the president about the operations want him to put this on twitter. you have some disagreement between dhs where he only wanted 150 families to be targeted for deportation. people who had committed crimes other than having stayed in the country. a lot of those families that are going to be rounded up this weekend. their only crime is being illegal in this country. i think it totally undermines the element of surprise. now they'll probably get
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incidental immigrants not in that group but people illegally here that were unlucky enough or didn't read the news about the coming raid. >> and the talk about congress passing what we are seeing as a crisis at the border. >> i don't see congress making any progress on this because they haven't been able to do so up until this point. regardless, every time, it seems like lawmakers are about to reach a deal, either republicans came out against it or democrats or more often than not, the president said he was going to erect a road block and make sure it wouldn't be able to go through. >> how much political backlash that will actually yield some sort of change here? >> you have debates coming up
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this coming week where immigration will play a role. democrats want to show that they are a humanitarian party. they are not going to target especially hispanic immigrants where you've seen a lot of rhetoric but they also have to let the general election, pass the primary where you have the sense among many americans that there are too many illegal immigrants that are changing our society. if you are a joe biden trying to win and a big reason you are up in the polls, you don't want to get too far into abolish i.c.e. or anything. >> thank you for joining us this morning. now a new accusation against
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president trump is facing a new and disturbing sexual assault claim. colleague carol states president trump assaulted her in a dressing room. >> the next thing he did was put
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his shoulder against me and his hand -- i was wearing just a black donna karen coat dress and tights. it was the work of seconds to reach in open the front and through my dress and pulled down my tights. somehow i got my knee up and pushed him back. the minute i got my knee up, he was out the door. >> carol is the 16th woman to allege sexual violence. >> the president says this incident never happened. he says she is trying to sell a book. he claims to have never met carol. in this picture, you see the two of them together in the '90s.
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joining me, legal analyst, in the article, carol herself doesn't use the word rape but she uses the word assault. what do the elements in this story describe to you. does the attack meet the legal definition? >> it does meet the legal definition but the concern is the statute of limitations. this is have alleged to have happened in the mid-90s. all of the possible limitation periods both civil and criminal have run, so there is no prosecutable offense. if there were no statute of limb station issues, these events would likely fit the criminal
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definition of sexual assault. >> so will the president then not face legal ramifications here? >> the president will not face relevant ramifications. even if the claimant wanted to bring them or sue. in all likelihood, all statute of limitations have since run. >> so carol said she would not bring charges because it would be unfair and wouldn't, quote, make sense. could new york, the state of new york file on her behalf or standing alone? >> sometimes the state can overtake the wishes of a complai complaint. it happens all the time. if someone says they don't want to go forward, what they learn for them, the state doesn't always care. sometimes the law requires that
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the state prosecute the defense despite the wishes of the complaintent. that is not going to happen here. the modern trend is to extend the statute of limitations or eliminate it all together because of the growing understanding that they would often wait years and years to report a crime. the counter balance of that is the understanding as years pass on, memories fapaid, witnesses move, sometimes they die. it becomes harder for a defendant to defend. >> speaking of witnesses, carol told two close friends about the attack right after it happened. one told her to go to the police, the other warned her not to take it to the police because the president had, quote, hundreds of lawyers who would, quote, burry her.
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>> how important are the witnesses here? >> this is the classic example of deciding what the appropriate statute of limitation is in assault cases. on the one hand, there is a long history of folks being discouraged from coming forward for a number of different social or economic decisions and reporting a crime. especially if powerful people is and was then. on the other hand, the law explicit explicitly punishes waiting. there could be some evidence that they waited too long. the modern trend is to recognize that this is something they do, victims do. they wait because of all the social pressure against them. modern statute of limitations are becoming longer and longer
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now to our morning headlines. pictures of a downed plane in hawaii. all nine passengers were killed. the deadliest accident in the u.s. since 2016. investigators don't know what caused the massive explosion in philadelphia. the mixture of propane and butane ignited. still burning. officials say air quality readings are normal. no immediate danger is posed to the community. a confirmation that a tornado touched down in southwestern minnesota. the zaj is still being assessed. the tornado ripped through a turkey farm and nearby airport tearing off roof tops.
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fortunately, no reports of injury. we have new insight on the decision to call off military strike against iran. here is secretary of state mike pompeo's reaction. >> can you say more about the air strike on iran last night? >> you can see him walking away there in silence. with me reporting christopher dick dickey. >> i think everybody is relieved he called off the strike and he should get some credit for doing it but we have to remember that this is from some result of his making. because of the pull out from iran because he's convinced he
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can get a better agreement. whether he can get that agreement or not is an open question. in the meantime, iran is going to strike back and show there is costs involved. we'll see this kind of crisis again. all of which is very dangerous. >> what is the sense of the real cost here? >> there is a bunch of different costs. on the one hand, iran now understands that trump actually threatening to obliterate them is small. we are looking at proportion gnat actions. where iran does something, the united states does something. sometimes very violent. we saw that happen under the
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reagan administration some 32 years ago when they deployed in the gulf and the straight to protect tankers under threat from iran. the problem is, if any americans get killed, then the whole thing will escalate very rapidly. >> you found a then quote, the world is laughing at america's politicians caring for ships we don't own. how does that compare to the white house in 2019? >> he probably still have that quote in mind. the situation is exactly the same in many ways. the difference is that now he's president. also he feels he has an extremely powerful weapon to use
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on the adversaries, which is the american dollar through the sanctions used against iran that makes it virtually impossible to trade with iran. he thinks that ultimately will bring the iranians back to the table. not sending warships, planes, cruise missiles and so on to attack iran. >> he originally used the nonmilitary stick in the form of sanctions and now iran is pushing back. we have this back and forth. do we get out of this without a war? what are you sensing right now? >> i think the situation will remain extremely dangerous in
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the for seeable future. you can see where the door might be but you can't see that path. one thing they are very interested in would be a complete lifting of american sanctions. not waivers, not on again, off again sanctions but a complete lifting of sanctions in exchange for a deal that at the end of the day would look like a deal that obama got. if we could find a way forward, the world would be a safer place but i don't see that happening anytime soon. >> thank you so much as always for your in sight. >> $1,000 a month for every american? can you imagine. his plan for universal income has become his core campaign promise. ♪
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new reaction this morning to the latest accusation of sexual misconduct by president trump. writer carroll and what she says
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happened in a dressing room. >> i was wearing just a black donna karen coat dress and tights. it was a work of a second to reach in under my donna karen, through my open in the front, through the dress and pull down my tights. that's when my brain went on, that's when the adrenaline started and it become a fight and it was -- it hurt. it was against my will. >> president trump saying in a statement in response, i've never met this person in my life. she's trying to sell a new book. that should indicate her moatation. it never happened. >> carroll showed this photo.
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and a friend that says carroll told her about the attack the very next day. joining me now my guests. welcome to you both this morning. first to you, do you believe carroll's account of what happened here? >> not at all. it doesn't pass the sniff test. there is no fact witnesses, eye witnesses, no videotape, no police report, no record from a hospital if she was allegedly assaulted. this is just a he said/she said situation. in this country, we have the presumption of innocence. president trump is innocent. the burdenen is on the accuser prove that this happened. she can't even get her facts straight on the alleged state. she can't remember if it is the
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spring of '96 or the fall. these facts matter. the police could then try to locate where was donald trump's whereabouts at the time. the fact that she can't even remember speaks for itself. these are unsubstantiated allegations. the public has the right to know who are these women she claims she told? are these individuals paid by democratic operatives that want to smear the president. we need to know more about who was involved and if they were paid -- >> adrianna. this is a sad display of what every day women go you through in this country. look, we know that donald trump has a history of these kind of issues or allegations popping up against him. i do agree that we should always
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operate under the idea of innocence until proven guilty. however, this will serve in an additional page in the catalog of statements come forward righ which is part of the reason why we have so many people struggling and living with so much pain in the past because automatically we assume that this is made up. it's not true and they're doing this for attention. i just think we have to slow down and look at the facts and let's gather some information first before we trourush to a conclusion. >> this is the 16th allegation against the president of the united states. >> absolutely. >> i want to go back and review some tape here about what carol said she took away from the access hollywood tape and that aftermath. let's have a listen right now. >> he's a powerful man. he takes what he wants. that's the thing. and the american voters liked it. that is a referendum.
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are they going to sfroevote for sexual harasser? yes, they are. his power is so great that it doesn't matter. >> so let's take a look. the democratic candidates are speaking in south carolina today. will they address this or are they going to share carroll's view that he's been given a free pass on the allegations? >> so that question is for antoine. >> go ahead. >> i think -- i doubt you will hear the presidential candidates use this as a bed line or a foundation for -- from the speech they will give in south carolina today. however, i do think if a reporter brings it up, they will answer to it and, guess what? the american people once again have the opportunity to respond to this as they did in 2016. unfortunately for this country and unfortunately for women like we're hearing from now is that
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the trump supporters and the trump voters seemed to have pressed the ignore button and it doesn't serve as a top priority in the decision making process and whether they support it president, regardless of the evidence. >> do you that i at least some voters here want to hear a condemnation or at least a response on this issue? >> i think this in this environment you have to and considering the force that women serve in the democratic primary process. i think absolutely some women are going to want to hear we have seen women rights and women under attack by this administration from day one. so obviously, there is going to be a call. and not to mention, we have a record number of women seeking our party's nomination. therefore, i'm not surprised if you hear at some point, i just don't think or do not believe this will serve as the foundational jump off point for remarks by presidential candidates today. >> i hear you.
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adriana, taking a look at the broader le broader electorate here, was 2016 a referendum on whether americans care about these accusations? >> all americans should care about sexual harassment and sexual assault. myself included. >> obviously, you don't. >> it has to be factual. >> i care about facts, antoine. you know, there has been plenty of instances in our country where women have brought -- some women, we know some women have brought forward false accusations against men. and that is just dead wrong to ruin a man's life and destroy his reputation and career and family and possibly put him in jail. that is dead wrong. that does a disservice to the real victims out there. and so with this circumstance, we need this woman to provide proof. okay, show us the videotape from the store? show us a police report. >> adriana --
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>> but you -- >> i want to ask you a question. is her word not enough proof that it happened? is that basically what you're saying? >> no. no. because that's not how the law works. the law works based on evidence, okay. we have no fact witnesses. we have no police report. and also, let's look at this. she said that a stranger, donald trump, came to her in a high end store and asked her to try on clothing for her and model it in the fitting room. i don't know one woman who would do that. if a man came up to me and said, a total stranger, i want you to model this sexy clothing and spin around. what is that? that sounds like she was trying to seduce him if it even happened. so that -- the fact she is even playing along with this is problematic. >> but you also -- but donald trump also said he did not know this person. we later know or we now know there is photo proof that he did
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know her. what we also know about this president, he will lie and he'll go to his grave lying about things like this when it comes to allegations against him and every time we have factual proof that he is lying, it's people like you who come to his rescue and the fact that you're a woman and you're sitting here on a saturday morning not giving this lady the benefit of the doubt is disturbing all by itself. >> sounds like you're going to disagree on this fundmentally. you were at jim's fish fry down there in south carolina last night. who is winning this fish fry and this weekend so far? who took the night? >> well, i think south carolina is winning this fish fry and winning the battle so far. look, i said -- >> which candidate though? >> all of the candidates are seeing tremendous support. they have the supporters there. but i will be lying to you if i didn't say that there is love and affection last night and so
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is sanders and so did joe biden. so there were a number of candidates who felt the south carolina love and affection but the ball game will be today. when they have more time on the stage at our party's convention to lay out their vision for the voters in south carolina. >> thank you for a spirited debate. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> ice crackdown. the president's plan to deport hundreds of undocument families and how some cities are pushing back. s and hosow me cities are pushing back the insurance-themed experience of a lifetime. it's "progressive on ice." everything you love about car insurance -- the discounts... the rate comparisons... and flo in a boat. ♪ insurance adventure awaits at "progressive on ice." tickets not available now or ever.
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inside the iran decision, fresh insight into what made the president change his mind about launching an attack. new accusation, a prominent writer says president trump assaulted her if the dressing room of a famous department store in the 1990s. arrest and deport. the city is vowing to not go along with it. plus, the 155 questions she did not answer on capitol hill. new today, more u.s. cities vowing not to cooperate with a planned mass arrest of undocumented family members starting as early as tomorrow morning. hole enforcement agencies are condemning the raids and that includes chicago, washington, d.c.,

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