addressing the crowd. and then right after that biden sat down with reverend al sharpton, the first interview of his candidacy so far. >> you started the campaign with a video talking about charlottesville and the division in the country. i watched you close up during the obama years fight even sometimes internal fights in the staff for same-sex marriage and a lot of tough stuff. you and i disagreed in the '90s and i said, wow, this biden is a real go to the mat kind of fighter. and this week you got into it about a statement you made about races and segregationists. don't you understand some of the hurt feelings there? >> sure i do. >> you called cory booker and

bill de blasio calling you to apologize. many things i said that i didn't intend that mrs. king said to me you can't say things that hurt people. it hurts when you talk about y "bo "boy". it means something different to us. it hurts when you call a racist like you normalize -- that's not the biden i got to know. don't you understand that? >> i do fully understand. that's not what i said, though. they didn't print the whole deal, you know what i mean? the context was totally different. i ran against all those folks. i got on the judiciary committee to defeat the man who headed the committee. i'm the guy that extended the voting rights act 25 years, not five. we finally got to the point when i was a senior member of the democratic -- on the judiciary committee to get 98 votes to extend the voting rights act. you got to deal with what's in front of you. what's in front of you are a bunch of races and we had to defeat them. as i said in that statement. i said in that statement that the fact of the matter is the

meanest man in the world i ever dealt with in the united states senate was a guy from georgia named herman talmage. i do understand the consequence of the word boy, but it wasn't said in that context at all. >> but you understand. they would never call me son or boy. >> but they call teddy kennedy boy. that was the distinction. the reason he called me senator was to demean me more because -- son because he said i'm not even qualified to be in the senate. i'm not old enough. i'm a kid. i'm a kid. >> to those that are listening and those that have respected you that were hurt by that, what do you say to them? i heard your jufgs astification you're explaining it but you're saying you understand the feeling? >> i do understand the feeling. you know about me in delaware.

i came up in that community, in the black church, that's who we sit down to organize to go out and march. i was the only white employee in the east side of wilmington, delaware, in terms of being a park director because i chose to be there. i learned more there than anywhere. all the folks whopgthey don't g those jobs were athletes and i was not a bad athlete, but i was the only white employee. and the fact of the matter is, i remember one time a great athlete turned to me and said, do you have a jerry can? i said, no, what do you need one for? i'm going to see my grandmother. you don't understand, i can't stop in the gas station. he lives in north carolina. i got an education up close and personal in a way that didn't have anything remotely as tough as any black man or woman i ever served with. here i was in the middle of a city that was -- all these folks i knew that i was -- i think it was a total of 14

african-americans and me. in the middle of the city it took me time to realize as a young man, in the middle of a city and i didn't knthey didn't anybody white. they were asking me, what's it like for a, b, c, or d. i am fully aware of that. to the extent anybody thought i meant something different, that's not what i intended. it would be wrong for anyone to intend that. >> again, that exclusive interview that reverend al sharpton got moments ago. reverend al sharpton joins us now from smoker. alongside with him, mike nemly. let's start with you, reverend al sharpton. the first sit down since he has announced his candidacy. you got it and you asked him the tough question what did you make putting on your civil rights leader hat of his answer to the very tough question that you asked him about the language that he used about

segregationists and the word "boy?" >> i think he wanted to put the context out that it was said in and didn't really deal with the fact that the offense and the hurt for those that have known and worked with him. and i kept trying to say to him, yes, i understand, maybe we didn't understand the context, but do you understand the implication? and i think that's where there was not the answer that many would want, which is an apology, certainly with senator booker and mayor de blasio and others called for. and i think what he wanted was to get out, he being biden, with the context was that he was saying. i think it was noteworthy, though, that he knew that when he came on my show that i was going to confront him with it. like i said to him, we disagreed

in the '90s. so the fact that he came and it was the first interview he did, cable interview since he announced, he knew he was going to have to deal with the issue and he wanted to put the context out there. i think he had the opportunity to really say i want to apologize to anyone that was offended. that is not maybe what i meant. he chose not to do that. >> nobody, of course, wants to come in as an interlock tur. because he didn't answer the specific question, what do you believe, then, he is afraid of? why not come out in front and say i do not like the fact that certain individuals were offended by my comments. i did not want that to happen. he did not say that to you. >> he did not. and i think that the fallout there is that people are going to make the judgment that he will not back down and he will

not apologize, even sway their feelings. and i think that, again, we cannot have that kind of posture when it's compared to 23 others without taking that into account. i think it will come up in the debates. i think it's going to last longer than it would have, and i think that he could have put a lot of that to bed tonight. he chose not to for whatever reason, maybe that's the way he feels. i clearly wanted him to know how i felt and others felt, and he responded. >> as you well articulated. >> mike nelly, what is this about the joe biden for 2020 that might be different than two or three years before as to why he is addressing these sorts of interactions, potential mistakes and controversies the way he is right now? >> i think it's interesting, richard, if you look at the trajectory of the campaign at this point, i know that the vice president and his advisories

feel like there's a very big target on his back right now. they feel that that target has gotten bigger in the last few weeks. but if you look at thousand story unfolded this week, it's only gotten worse because of the vice president himself. we had the initial comments made at a closed fundraiser earlier this week, not on camera. there were reports in the room, of course. the candidates, other candidates in the race did react to it the next day but it would have been a one-day story if not for the fact that the vice president was asked again on camera, and he doubled down on his comments and asked cory booker to apologize to him saying he was the one who had to apologize. and then we see an opportunity today, perhaps, to address this and put it aside, to acknowledge the fact that people really see these comments and insensitive and offensive, instead he was not inclined again to do so, very defensive. and i think the rev made an important point. this is only guaranteeing this is going to be a live issue that

carries into the debates this week. it'll come up wednesday night even without the vice president on the stage and it will come up thursday when the vice president is part of that debate. the question is is how much do the other candidates want to engage on this. let the vice president really continue to create this issue for himself. >> well, one candidate that did not shy away from addressing this very specific issue, rev, you were talking about this with cory booker. cory booker as well as joe biden, they had a conversation about this. no apology was given after comments made by cory booker that were critical of what the former vice president had said. what did cory booker tell you pac-12 specifically and what was your sense of cory booker addressing this so far? >> he basically said they had a good conversation, but that joe biden basically said privately what he said to me tonight on national television, and that is, he was explaining the

context and he was saying that you need to understand what i meant and you need to understand i was not talking about b"boy" n the context of being racial. in the context they felt he was too young. but again, senator booker took the same position i took on the show tonight, is that that may have been your intent, but you've got to deal with the public and how we take it. people that have been called boy and whose daddy and grand daddy was called boy no matter how old they got. you can't discount that and how we took it is worthy of you dressing your outrage and hurt. >> rev, you alluded in your conversation with him the context. you clearly have known joe biden for two or three decades, if not longer. what is your sense about where he is today and where he is going as we move towards 2020 in

terms of the way he's addressing issues like this or politics at large? >> i think that he's certainly the front-runner. he's going to get shot at a lot, but i think that his sensitivity in terms of issues like this is certainly going to be challenged. i think he has people around him, though, that have a lot of credibility. when you look at the fact that cedric richmond, the congressman from louisiana who has great stature and credibility in the black community, former chair of the congressional black caucus that many of us have a lot of respect for, if he's in his ear, i think that he will have a good influence for him. and i think you have a millennial, if there was one, symone sanders, he's not even 30 years old and there's nobody that is more woke than symone sanders. so i think we'll see where his team will be able to bring him.

again, though, i think he's got to deal with the -- >> -- to the speakers before him, cory booker, beto o'rourke, he indeed going through a laurpd list, vice president was, in his message, clearly a different energy level than the speakers before. any word in terms of why the approach was the way it was today? >> it's interesting. we've seen the vice president in the past week or so as he's attended a number of event where there are time limits. he really sounds like a man in a hurry. he was trying to cram a lot into that seven-minute speech. there was some news in that speech that was lost now in the interview that the rev did afterwards. the vice president for the first time laying out a bit of his criminal justice reform poems. he's endorsing legislation from

congressman bobby scott, a key committee chairman in the house from virginia, dealing with that issue and said he wants to build on that as well. he talked about no mandatory minimums, mandatory drug treatment for those in prison. this was an opportunity in a state like south carolina where the african-american vote is very critical, where the criminal justice reform, the crime bill in 1994 has been something that's been an issue, particularly with a younger generation of african-american voters to begin to address that. he tried to do that here, tried to lay the groundwork for perhaps moving forward in the debate, trying to focus on the future. that's something we still from the campaign that that's going to be his focus in the debate. but clearly wanting to use this as an opportunity to roll out the policy, but it's lost in this larger swirl of controversy. advisories are telling me that is media manufactured story than what voters on the ground heard. voters i talked to over the weekend, the vice president did a round table yesterday with local african-american leaders. they says that they

understand -- they have a long relationship with the vice president. they don't believe there's an issue on race that we believe that there is in the press. in fact, they argued there were other candidates using this to grand stand on that issue. so that's a point of view that's not been represented yet that the biden campaign feels needs to be out there as well. >> reverend sharpton, rev, if you can, put this into context for us. you talked to every single speaker this afternoon. they came to your set. you not only got to hear their message on set, but you got to hear the message at the podium itself. what does that say about the way you believe some of these candidates will address the african-american vote? south carolina, very important, as has been said many a time, six out of ten democratic voters there are african-american. how do you think they're doing so far? what do you think the message is that is going to work? >> i think that it showed that one, they understand they cannot win this nomination without the african-american vote, and they

certainly could not defeat donald trump. i think the atmosphere around discussing race and racial issues and racial justice and equality, including combining that with dealing with black women, who are the strong voting block in our community, that day has come. this week you have a house hearing on reparations, we made them deal with reparations at the nan convention, national action network. they changed in large part because president trump brought a lot of the hidden stuff out now, it's on the surface and they're going to have to deal with it. you can't take anything for granted anymore, you can't even take granted for granted. >> rev, is the democratic party woke? >> i think that they are coming awoke, but they are still in the bed yawning and stretching their arms. they haven't gotten up yet. >> they got some days to figure it out. over 250 at least there in south carolina are stretching their arms.

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today, starting very early in the day with kamala harris. events like this where you have 20 some odd candidates are hard to break through. frankly, it can be hard to get onion pay attention into the day. there was an element of theater to this. she showed up with a drum line and got people's attention before she even stepped into the room. five or six minutes here, you don't get a chance to really rewrite the rule book here, but you deliver a solid speech. she got the crowd into it to start the day. beto o'rourke, we had a dozen candidates in a row who don't poll above 1%. some folks weren't even going to make the debate stage. o'rourke brought his own crowd and brought energy into the room. it was good television pictures. his campaign was thrilled about it. i think the candidates in that lower tier looking for a breakout moment who performed political well, i thought jay

inslee, the washington state governor outperformed expectations in the room. i had a number of people say as much to me. he's known as the climate change candidate, but he spent a good bit of time talking about other issues today, including gun control, trying to come out of that bubble a bit and introduce himself to the rest of the country. i was reminded again walked around this room how little so many folks here in south carolina know about these candidates beyond joe biden, who continues to have this very deep well of support. a lot of it nostalgic, and i don't mean that in a negative context. but people remember him as somebody who stood shoulder to shoulder with barack obama and he does get the benefit of the doubt from these voters. his performance at the end of the day was strong, but i think he had a lot of conventioners that might not have sat around except for the former vice president. >> shaq, you were outside the

event, energy at these conventions often just as good as what's happening inside, if not more. as you were outside, you ran into someone who's a bit interesting. let's listen to that and i'll get your reaction after this. >> first, talk about your speech up there. what was the reception like inside? >> well, i think it was pretty good. you know, i think people want a candidate who is going to fight for ordinary americans and not just the 1%. that's something we don't talk about very often, that is the power of corporate america, whether it's wall street or the drug companies or the insurance companies, and people, i believed, think we need a president who's going to take them on, provide health care to everybody as a right, lower the cost of prescription drugs, zblets this is a state where african-american voters are key. what's been your ouch to african-american voters here in south carolina? >> we already have, i think, nine members, african-american members of the legislator that

are supporting us. our message is in the midst of enormous income inequality in the country, we also have to deal with racial disparities, whether it's health care or wealth. there's no rational reason why the average white family owns ten times more wealth than the average black family. those are issues we have to dig in on and resolve. >> you might have been on stage as this was happening, but president trump announced that he's delaying this roundup of illegal immigrants. what's your reaction to that? >> look, when i read a tweet by trump last week where he says in so many words that he's going to round up millions of people and deport them, that is sickening. that is disgusting. and that is everything that this country does not stand for. we need comprehensive immigration reform. we need a humane policy at the border, not locking up children in cages. and we need to protect the

1.8 million young people in daca. what we need to do is move toward real immigration reform. >> shaq brewster on the street talking to bernie sanders. shaq, what was that conversation like with you as you take a step back, as well as the entire day if you put it into context for us, the different camps being represented by their supporters in the streets? >> let's start with how that interview came to be. i was standing outside about to talk with you because i was staying outside. there was both this state party convention, but then across the street there was a planned parenthood forum that was happening. you had people and activists going to both. they would come outside. i was listening to the supporters and voters and listening to how they reacted to these candidates, being able to hear from all these candidates. as i was about to report to you on what i was hearing from these voters, senator sanders was crossing the street, and i yelled over to the senator and his team, i said, hey, are you ready for your interview?

and he started walking over to the camera. so we had that five-minute kp exchange there. as the event were going on outside, you had a lot of campaigns putting on a contest of visibility. so you had t-shirts, buttons, fliers. they were there cheering and chanting trying to show they have organization here on the ground in south carolina where that matters a lot. not only do they want to excite voters on the stage but they want to pull voters in and get the volunteers that will be knocking on doors and making those phone calls, helping them getting through the finish line when the contest comes. >> garrett haake, over to you. as you are listening to warren and yang, the reason i bring up those two, if there were a couple idea candidates that have a plan, an idea for something or everything, shall we say, how did their messages resonate with the crowd? trying to get a feeling of whether it's brand or idea or a mixture of both that is really resonating with voters right now

in south carolina. >> elizabeth warren has mastered the art of these multicandidate forums. she can boil her speech down to five or seven minutes, she can hit her big ideas like her wealth tax idea, what that gets you, she can explain it in simple terms. she is very, very good at these kind of events, and she has branded herself as the policy candidate. she does not disappoint. now, the part of selling policy is selling herself as a capable person who can actually get those things done. she has, i think, caught up to her own expectations. early in the race expectations for warren were low. now she's starting to perform at the level that these crowds expect from her. andrew yang is the opposite of that. he's one of the candidates when you come into a room like this where people may have heard his name but they know very railroad little about him, he makes a joke about it. he'll say, you know, if you know anything about he, you know i'm the asian guy who wants to give everybody $1,000 a month. i would be surprised if many of the people in the room even know

that much about him. that is his big idea of supplanting our income, our work pay by giving every american $1,000 a month as a way to essentially redistribute wealth in this country. it is an idea he builds off to bring the crowd in. this is someone who absolutely benefits from walking in the door in a room like this with 20 other candidates and being at 1% in the polls. again, most of the people in this room probably would not have showed up for an andrew yang speech. but if you're showing up for budge or elizabeth warren, you're going to get exposed to these ideas and voters i talked to did walk away impressed. again, that is good rehearsal for these candidates. it's a chance to say what are my ideas, good lines, what resonates in five minutes that i can maybe boil down to one minute when i introduce myself to a larger audience in miami. >> a preamble as they trying to figure out what is going to bring the energy to those

debates. shaq, build on what garrett was saying there. that is, as the 1% are trying to gain note rioriety. did you find that the folks were saying, i just learned this about y candidate? did you hear that message come across? >> that's exactly what you heard. there's two different things, two dirt points to make. one, the everyday public, we were at a barbaershop with cory booker. we spoke to the people in the shop before cory booker got in and some people didn't know who cory booker was. they didn't know he was running for president and wasn't plugged into this presidential election. it's early in the process, and that's something they continue to say. we still have several months to go before that happens. but then as you were talking about to people outside, these are activists that are plugged into the democratic party. they are familiar with the

candidates. talking with him uyou hear a general safrtisfaction with the candidates. that's what you hear with these voters. we'll see how that comes about and whether or not there is a candidate that kind of aggregate all the ideas that are out there and present it in a fashion that makes voters want to choose them. >> very quickly, garrett, what was the issue of the day you thought that was being mentioned by the candidates? >> oh, wow, that's tough. issue of the day? you know, i think criminal justice reform is obviously a big deal in this race more broadly. you heard a lot of candidates start to workshop some of their ideas around that topic. i would have to say if there was anything that caught my eye, it was that idea. to the degree that it links equality in general. we talk about criminal justice reform as a lazy shorthand for issues that affect african-american men and women in this country.

and i think you saw a lot of candidates say the justice system in this country needs to be dealt in in a more equitable way. >> shaq, issue of the day? >> issue of the day outside, president trump. there is a deep dissatisfaction with president trump in how things are going in this country among democrats. there are a lot of people who are just focused on who's going to take the toughest fight to president trump, who's the strongest democratic candidate against president trump. that's something that you hear a lot of. so when you have candidates on the inside and you hear lines kind of make its way outside. when kamala harris said we're not going back, that's something that made its way outside and the strength she delivered that line and that point. when you give the red meat to the base, that's something that sticks with them as they choose their candidates. >> shaq brewster, garrett haake,

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i know we got to beat donald trump, but there's something else in the balance. this is not a referendum on him, it's a referendum on who we are to each other. >> it is only by bringing

everyone in that we defeat donald trump and bring this country together and achieve our true success as a country. >> towards the end of the day, but clearly not tired, beto o'rourke, cory booker, two of the candidates trying to make a mark on the consequence and raise their numbers in the polls that have been out so far. here's a couple more to listen to as well. >> the biggest fortunes in this country, we ask them to pitch in 2 cents, and he's what we can buy for it. universal child care for every one of our babies age 0 to 5. universal prek for every three-year-old and four-year-old in this country. raise the wages of every preschool teacher and child care worker in america. provide universal tuition-free technical college and four-year college for every kid who wants to go. $50 billion investment in our

historically black colleges and universities. let's level the playing field. also for that same 2 cents we can cancel student loan debt for 95% of the folks who got it. [ cheers ] >> not only am i a child of parents who were active in civil rights fights and marches, i also had a career as a prosecutor. let me tell you a little bit about that. i know how to take on predators. [ cheers ] i took on the big banks and won over $20 billion. i took on for-profit colleges and put them out of business. i took on oil companies who were polluting our environments. i took on transnational criminal organizations who were praying on women and children. i know how to get that job done. [ cheers ] and i did it for the people, for the people.

so let me tell you, we need somebody on our stage when it comes time for that general election who knows how to recognize a rap sheet when they see it and prosecute the case. >> i'm here to talk about the values that make us democrats because i am sick of the word values being talked about like it only belongs on one side of the aisle. [ cheers ] values like freedom and security and democracy are not conservative values. they are american values. [ cheers ] and this is the year we break the republican month nop on the part ofly on talk about freedom. >> joining me is shermichael singleton and also a republican strategist. i want to start with one piece of tape, beto o'rourke at the top here. unlike the majority from what i

saw of all the other speakers there, he decided to forego the podium. he brought his own supports. i think we have that video of him down there speaking to all of the conferees that were there. do you think that was the right move? >> no, i don't. i'll tell you why. if you look at this picture, i only see three african-americans, maybe four or five standing in the background. most of the individuals around him are white voters. african-american voters in south carolina a state where i spent a lot of time in 2015 and 2016, are the majority of the registered democratic voters in that state. you cannot win the democratic nomination without a solid african-american base of supports. beto is polling at 1%, if even that. if you look at this, it's indicative why he's having a problem. he's talking to the wrong people. >> he is polling in the single digits, 4% according to the post and courier poll.

what did he do that was perhaps better than the other candidates, though, as he did during the fish fry, is to address very south carolinian issues, and he did that when he was there on the ground, if you will, in the convention hall. so he has this sort of yin and yang, a mixture of what you saw versus what he was saying? >> right. but i just wonder if you're on beto's campaign, what group within the african-american community are you trying to target? because people forget this. the african-american community is very complex and it's layered. and you have younger folks, middle-aged folks and reliable voters who are the oral folks like my grandparents who vote in every single election. for them protocol matters. structure matters. and i'm not exactly certain that he's talking to the people that matters the most when it comes to this primary. >> pete buttigieg also going through some controversy there in his own city. this related to an issue, a black and white issue, a police officer turning off his camera

during an incident that has caused a lot of controversy. he had a press conference. what was your takeaway in terms of how he will handle the african-american vote? this very particular for those who might be joining us who don't know the facts, 6 out of 10 voters in south carolina are african-american. >> i think mayor pete is a smart guy, he's talented but he's not ready for prime time. i'll be honest with you. i saw the press conference and saw a 30-second clip of an african-american woman holding a sign you're running for president. and his response was i didn't ask for your vote. is that what you're going to say as these issues continue to rise? i think he's talented but this isn't his moment right now just because of how he handled that particular situation. for a lot of african-americans f they say that clip, if you're one of his opponents and that starts populating all over the web, maybe in some attack ads if he were to be the nominee against donald trump, just imagine how that's going to play

out. a lot of african-americans will look at that and say this guy is out of touch. he does not know how to handle sensitive matters of race. my advice to him would be to go back to south bend, gain more experience and do this again. >> of the 1%ers, who do you think is going to pop? it's all about energy and getting out the vote. >> it is. >> and african-american communities and african-american women are very key to that. >> i've been texting friends. i spent a lot of time 2015, 2016 in south carolina. >> mostly on the other side. >> on the republican side, but a lot of solid relationships with democrats who spent decades on that sate. from the text messages i received from friends, most of whom are way older than i am, joe biden has a pretty solid lead. he's building a robust get out the vote campaign in that state. followed by elizabeth warren who is seeing her numbers rise particularly with african-american women, which is very, very important. >> why are her numbers rising? >> because she's speaking the

issues of florence black women such as health care, reliable transportation. a lot of african-american men are in prison or stulgds with other issues, so black women are the one we look to for guidance and direction in our community. if you look at the direction of african-american women for the most part i would argue black men tend to follow. so i think elizabeth warren has sort of jumped onto something that's really going to benefit her towards the end. i want to point out something about bernie sanders. he's actually seeing his numbers decrease. talking to folks on the ground, elizabeth warren is actually eating into some of his support. and i think kamala harris, which is interesting, she's polling pretty low right now, 7.1%. folks i've talked to said she's beginning the process of talking with community leaders there, pastors there, african-american men and african-american women there and trying to lay that foundation to sort of talk about

issues and sort of get her message out there more. as a result, they're starting to see a slow but solid foundation being built to help target that particular community. >> this is important to clearly all of the candidates, but if we were to look to those who are african-american, we look at the numbers for harris, 9%, booker at 5%. so it looks like the african-american vote, which is certainly not monolithic, has a lot of different drives behind it, one of which is we want a winner. we want a winner regardless of your background. >> absolutely. i think there's an poll that just came out that said compared to race, compared to gender, for most democratic voters they want to know can you beat donald trump, which is why i would argue joe biden is doing very well right now despite some of the controversy he had over the past several days. a lot of people see joe biden as potentially the best individual to go head to head against trump

and those candidates have to figure out a way to display that confidence that biden has so far. >> the basket of qualities they might have, democratic voters, african-american democratic voters included. sounds like winning is way, way up there. >> winning is more important than anything else. we had president obama for two terms and that was an amazing opportunity for this country to see how far we can go. but at this point in time for black voters, they look at donald trump and they see a lack of progress and a roll back on criminal issues, particularly on issues where we're seeing racial crimes and incidents and hate crimes increase as a result of donald trump being in office. many black voters wills that and they will say, wasn't that, it doesn't matter if it's a woman or african-american. we want someone who can right this ship because right now it's going in the wrong direction. >> there are other boxes to be checked? absolutely. >> shermichael singleton, thank you for being here. president trump delaying a roundup of undocumented

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welcome back. president trump announced he is delaying a plan to deport thousands of undocumented immigrants, originally set for tomorrow. this plan causing fear and anxiety in many communities across the country. let's go to nbc news correspondent ron allen at the white house. if you're on the ground in any one of the cities we're talking about, ron, many of these undocumented immigrants in their families are quite worried. so this development, if you will, for them is a welcome message. >> i don't think anybody's breathing too deep a sigh of relief at any of this because president trump has made it clear that he is going to try to deport as many people as possible. whether it happens this week or next week, i don't think people in the communities out there are taking -- feeling a lot better

because this was delayed. it was a head-turner of a day because the president issued a warning saying the raids were going to go on. this was telegraphed. there were 2,000 people who the government says exhausted all their time in the country here and were served deportation orders. the president then came out later today with a tweet saying that at the request of the democrats, oddly, that he was going to call off the raids and that he wanted to see if the democrats and republicans could get together to solve some of the loophole issues like asylum and issues at the border. where this goes from here is unclear. the democrats have been pushing back hard. we understand that speaker nancy pelosi called the president last night and asked him to stop the raids. we understand from officials at homeland security that they were concerned that this had been so widely publicized and it wasn't

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one of the big issues today, president trump's decision not to go forward with a military strike on iran in the wake of the downing of the u.s. military drone. former vice president and 2020 front-runner joe biden talked about that in his exclusive interview with reverend al sharpton. it was the first time that the candidate had sat down for an interview after announcing his candidacy. in that discussion vice president joe biden specifically addressed his experience on -- during his years in the senate related to foreign relations and international security. here's reverend al sharpton with the former vice president's interview a couple of hours ago. >> iran, i have to ask you about that before we let you go.

the whole back and forth with this president sending out one signal, i mean, actually having people in the air headed that way, then he pulls back and he tells this story that he heard 150 people would die and he decided not to do it. how do you react to his story? because some people are saying the story's unbelievable. and how do you react to the seemingly no policy, we don't even have a secretary of defense? >> look, as you know, i served as chairman of the foreign relations committee a long time. i've met virtually every major world leader in the last 35 years and met them on a first name basis. some are absolute tyrants like putin and others that he embraces. but i also sat on the intelligence committee and i also was, as you know, did a major piece of intelligence operations for the president of the united states when i was there.

>> if in fact the military did not brief him on what was happening, i just don't believe it. the military doesn't do that. they sit down and say mr. president, you want us to do a, here's what we think will happen. this is the consequence. your decision, mr. president. we recommend or not. but the idea that they would say to him when he said go ahead and bomb and take out whatever they were going to take out and not tell him what the consequences would be, not possible. simply not -- >> it was a busy day there in south carolina. at the south carolina democratic convention, as we had our special coverage all day here on msnbc. with that that wraps it up for me this hour. i'm richard lui. i'll be back tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. eastern. you can follow me on twitter, instagram and facebook. coming up next "saturday night politics with donny deutsch." this is the ocean.

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good evening. i'm donny deutsch and i am thrilled to be here. we're exactly 500, yes, 500 days till till the presidential election. and tonight i'm going to go through the week's top stories and see how they might affect that election. lots to cover. this is "saturday night politics." we've got a great group of folks with us tonight. but before we introduce them, a tip of the hat to my former friend donald trump. key word is former. what has he wanted? he wanted a wall. so we have built a wall.

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