rule. you can find us on instagram and snapchat, facebook. snapchat, facebook nicolle wallace begins right now. >> hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. i'm steve kornacki in for nicolle wallace. the stage is set in miami, for the first democratic debate, what will be an historic chapter in this race. we have a lot to talk about before the candidates take their places at the podium. first, the breaking news sure to be on the stage tomorrow night quickly becoming a defining issue for the current white house, that is, the crisis unfolding at the border. today, a major trump administration departure, the custom border protection agencies acting commission, john sanders resigning, this as public outrage mounts over what are being called inhumane and

unsanitary conditions for migrant children, at a facility in clint, texas, a group of lawyers said hundreds of kids had been housed for weeks without access to showers or clean clothes or sufficient food. today, we're learning 100 children have been returned to that same facility after being removed in the backlash that followed. those reports, president trump responding to the crisis this afternoon, calling for humanitarian aid and still pointing fingers at democrats and former president barack obama. >> the condition at these border facilities -- >> yes, i am. i'm very concerned. they're much better than they were under president obama by far. wee tried to get the democrats to agree to give us some humanitarian aid, humanitarian money, and that is a very fair question. i appreciate that question, but i am very concerned. it's in much better shape than it ever was. a lot of these young children

come from places you don't even want to know about, the way they've lived and the way they've been, the poverty they grew up in. with that, if we can get this bill signed, we'll be able to do it. the democrats don't want to sign anything. now, i think they're going to probably sign this, from what i understand, i call it humanitarian aid. >> here to talk about all of this, eli, white house reporter for the "las angeles times." democratic strategist from washington and heidi, national political correspondent for nbc news and perry is at the facility from homestead, florida and jacob has been covering the ongoing situation at the border for us. eli, let me start with you. we just heard from the president there. he's talking about the situation in congress now a bill expected to make its way through the house tonight, democratic house, republican senate bill. we will see what happens there. in the meantime, as all of that plays out and we absorb these

reports from clint, texas and elsewhere, are there any other steps the white house is taking to deal with what the whole country has been reading about this week. >> not that we know of. you heard him blaming democrats and they need to come up with humanitarian aid. the humanitarian crisis on the border is at least in part because of this administration's policies and the president's decision to try to crack down on people coming to this country seeking asylum, separate families, house young children and keep them in some of these facilities by all reports we're seeing, completely overrun and overcrowded and conditions appalling. the house democrats and progressives decided we don't want to just rubber stamp the senate bill. we need to come in and put some teeth into this bill so the administration changes its policies how it's caring for the kids and the shelters. the problem is the republicans

run the senate and have a bill with bipartisan support and a few days before congress goes into recess to work out the differences between these two bills. it's more brinksmanship, as you see the conditions on the border affecting real people. hanging over all of this, the president had threatened to start these raised, round up non-criminals who had gotten final deportation, removal orders to start rounding them up and moving them out. there may be an issue operational finding beds for these people given the border facilities are so crowded already. the president held that out there saying i will postpone that a couple weeks over the weekend, only to give democrats to come to the table. he continues to try to use this as a bargaining chip an that's the state of affairs in washington. >> that's washington. jacob, i want to ask you, you know this border situation as well as anybody.

one thing you've been telling us how hard it is for anyone, certainly, the media side to get a look inside these facilities. we had all these reports about this facility in clint, texas. yesterday, we're told a bunch of children are moved out of there and today, reports some are back. just in terms of those terrible conditions people have been reading about the last couple of days, do you have a sense in the immediate moment right now, while all this plays out in washington, those conditions have improved? >> no, we don't. frankly, steve, transparency has always been the issue. where are the girls? where are the tender aged children, the refrains from one year ago because we couldn't get inside to see them. in my life i've only been inside one dhs facility where they were housing young boys, 10-17 and a border patrol processing station, the one i saw with my own eyes, young children

separated from their parents in those cages sitting on floors on the mylar blankets. they don't let reporters in these facilities lightly and certainly not with cameras, be it video or still cameras. it is very unusual. we have gotten the reports from the settlement agreement going in and speaking out. you know the conditions were dire if the attorneys were speaking out. that's not their job to walk in and broadcast to the media what they're seeing inside. their job is to go in these facilities and see if there's compliance and if there isn't, work discreetly to see it is, but they were so alarmed they decided to speak to the public. >> heidi, is the response to congress is putting a bill through the house. pelosi sounding like she's got the votes. $4.5 billion. they want certain sanitary and

health conditions at these facilities. then, there's a bill that looks like it comes out of the republican controlled senate. it's going to be different. what are the odds in the next few days, these two versions are reconciled and something passes. we're up against funding deadlines for hhs and a lot of these services. >> right now, that's a very big question in washington whether they can reconcile these pretty quickly, steve. they have two or three days and not many lawmakers want to cancel their break to deal with an immigration issue. look to those progressives in the house to be partially mollified by the legislation likely to pass. we're told pelosi has the votes to pass this house bill. in terms of reconciliation, it's whether the president decides to put up a fuss over it. he wants to change asylum laws, pushing for a broader immigration package. we have to see him come back on

that. here's the key take away. even if this all works out and democrats get some language putting conditions in there, it's not going to fundamentally change what is essentially a pipeline from the border into these facilities of young children versus a pipeline into the homes of friends and family. i think we have to keep explaining to people why this is happening for it to truly be addressed. why this is happening is because it is not a bug, it is a feature that these children are being separated. i take you back to a year ago, when then attorney general jeff sessions said this was going to be a good deterrent. since then we've seen conditions continue but situations in these facilities deteriorate. we're seeing no oversight. we're seeing the president saying he's not happy about it but it is a direct result of the

policies, in addition to the separation. jacob has done a wonderful job reporting about the metering forcing people not to go through official ports of entry because they're being backed up, waiting for days in the blistering sun on hot bridges. this was, in its inception, a feature, and here's where we are today. >> can you pick up and maybe explain? it's a little bit of confusion for me, to be honest, and other folks out there. my understanding of this administration, this child separation policy that caused so much controversy last year, that ended. but now we are talking this week, all these kids unaccompanied, no adults around being held in these facilities. can you square those two things at all? >> reporter: it didn't really end because there are all kinds of ways you can be separated with the person you're traveling with when you cross the border.

there's a lot of the government trying to verify identities. you have privately run detention facilities and basically prison, like the one behind me with thousands of children in it. you have kids with point of contact. heidi explained through those points of contact they are not being processed out quickly and to echo what jacob is saying, there is zero oversight. we can't take cameras in, not allowed access to these facilities and can't accurately report what we believe to be truly horrendous conditions. to heidi's talk about metering, you're talking about returning people to humanitarian conditions we're not clear on. the situation is very bad, getting worse, talking about thousands of people being released, en masse, from what are basically detention facility is in the u.s. into mexico, into a system also not equipped to handle it. on this end, the humanitarian

crisis is not just happening at the border, in facilities around the country. you have this system the president has barely intentionally sets up to spread fear through the community and also send the message to the world. i cannot stress this enough, the message sent to the world, when you put kids in cages and stop the media from getting into those sites, america is closed. a lot of the messaging is working and people are afraid. jacob pointed out that people are coming quickly because of a lot of rhetoric we see, not only on twitter but directly from the president. >> i want to put this up by nancy pelosi again. we expect the house to vote again. there has been some dissension among democrats how to approach this. pelosi said in a closed door meeting with her fellow democrats, a vote against this bill is a vote information donald trump and is inhumane

outside the circle of civilized attitude towards the children. it sounds like the speaker thinks she has the votes she needs from her caucus to pass this. she's running into democrats in some cases don't trust this administration. they think if they cut a check here and put emergency money forward, who's to say how the administration will spend it. they want certain asked of hygienic and some on deportation and how it will be ironed out with the senate. do you agree with what nancy pelosi said. if house democrats don't vote on this, it is a vote for donald trump? >> i do. i absolutely agree with her. i also agree with the theme echoed here among everyone, which is what will actually change even if democrats vote for this and with the resignation we've just seen.

we have donald trump using as many tactics as are possible in his toolshed, if you will, to create this deterrence and tactic. you have stories about african immigrants at the border, older children trying to take care of younger children and they themselves can't advocate for their rights. i don't think that much will actually change day-to-day, even if democrats do vote for it, which i think they should. i would also say very quickly, i think this is something every democratic presidential candidate needs to address in terms of how they will deal with it on day one when elected. >> i expect to hear it asked. nancy pelosi is saying this vote, $4.5 billion the house is set to vote on, that's some real money and she's saying it will do something real here. it's for the children. you would be supporting inhumane policies if you don't support this bill.

she seems to be suggesting this money will have a real impact. do you think it will? >> i don't think it's any disputing they need money for immigrants coming in on record levels. but what an immigration policy does, why it's completely disingenuous for the president to say this is in the democrats' hands, a definitive piece of legislation than we're talking about right now, migrant families detained in i.c.e. detention and send them to their country of origin immediately when they get here. that's ultimately what this administration wants to do. there is a fact data is correlating to deterrence-based policies of people crossing. it stretches back to the clinton administration and literally called policy of deterrence and

everyday we're hearing new stories of people dying whether in the rio grande or desert, because they're trying to evade the detection and enforcement of this administration. there's nothing wrong with debating how strong that enforcement should be. >> thank you for joining us. still to come. one day, saying this, counting down, finally down, a day before the first democratic debate and joe biden facing a big test and we have fresh evidence of how he's faring in the aftermath of controversial comments. and donald trump ease defense starting up more outrage and the intrigue of the inner circle and another shake-up in the works. we'll be right back. we'll be right back. relieving ol constipation and abdominal discomfort. new benefiber healthy balance

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we are just a little over 24 hours away from the first democratic debate. a potential new poll today may answer questions that have haunted joe biden about the controversy. will he pay a price in the polls for a segregationist or from the apology he asked from cory booker. from the weekly tracking poll, it looks like the answer is, no. the poll shows no change for biden in the last four days. 38% for biden among democratic primary voters. he was at 38 last week among black voters and even gained one

point. at 46% last week and before, he was at 45. when asked if it made them more-or-less likely to vote for biden, the plurality says it doesn't make a difference and more say they are more likely to give biden their vote and 29% say they are less likely. >> voters compartmentalize a lot. if they already figured out you might be the best candidate to go out against donald trump they've seen you preview the general election because you're going at him with occasional barbs, they will find a way to make sure they vote for you on election day. the comments didn't land very well. >> no drop in support. >> i understand that. you want joe biden to show a

little bit of an apology. you want him to come out and be a little more understanding. but the average voter either didn't hear it, doesn't care, and really wants to beat donald trump and feels he's at least, in personality, strong enough to do so. look, if you're a younger voter, you can't conceive of a segregationist being in the senate. you don't remember necessarily trent lott embracing strom thurman, if you remember that. this may not hit you very well as a younger obama voter. as an older generation, i'm 47, somebody my age or a little bit older, you may feel that, look, i already know who joe biden is. i don't think he's a racist. it was an inartful comment but doesn't necessarily mean to me he's not going to support the african-american community. >> something basil just said, i've been wondering about, the fact there was no apology this week and in contrast to donald

trump in the general elections, is it a strength psychologically among democratic voters right now a candidate would get into a controversy regardless what the controversy is about and not back down. do democrats see an ingredient there that would match up well with trump maybe wouldn't have looked at in the past? >> i don't know if we want to deal with too broad a brush there. the president demonstrated you don't apologize. and biden saying i would be admitting an error. he can be summed up as familiarity. a long resume and around a long time. somebody asked him earlier in the campaign, what kind of democrat are you? i'm an obama-biden democrat, man. that's the association he wants.

i was at barack obama's side for eight years. primary voters see that and will give him the benefit for the most part on a screw-up like this. this was in the op-ed, michelle goldberg leans to the left here. it was critical of joe biden. the headline there joe biden doesn't look so electable in person. she had pretty scathing comments. seeing biden on the stump often feels like watching an actor who can't quite remember his lines. even if you don't support him, it's hard not to feel anxious on his behalf. you can see why his campaign has been limiting his public events and why he's been avoiding the press. garrett, let me bring you in. you've been in the field and watched joe biden among others. what this column is putting out is something you've heard minimum murs out there.

has he lost a stem? murmurs out there. he's 76 years old. the biden on the trail, how has he struck you? >> a lot of what i read in that column rang true. i have seen, the best is uneven performances from joe biden on the campaign trail. i've seen him give stem winders, a coalition gala a few weeks ago he was speaking really strongly from the heart and had a palpable emotional effect from the audience. then, i've seen him refer repeatedly to his notes about policies he just brought up and answer with long ante dotes that don't address the subject of the questioner's intent. i've seen him stumble through other events, staples, like town hall in new hampshire with a teleprompter set up put doesn't particularly use it. that column was fair.

you're seeing someone, if you look at it in a positive light, has rust to knock off, hasn't done this in his own behalf in quite some time. if you want to be less charitable about it, you can make an argument he has lost a step. i'm not ready to declare that. he's only been out a little bit but the bread and butter events we're used to seeing have been uneven. here's parallel in my mind. 1990s, ted kennedy was running from massachusetts and mitt romney was running against him and romney took the lead, the first time a kennedy had ever been behind and he had to apologize for his behavior and the mayor came, this image of ted kennedy had completely taken over, this guy would be incoherent. the expectations for this debate were so low for ted kennedy.

when he got on the stage, he was perfectly competent. he wasn't mesmerizing but a competent performance. because the bar was so low he took the lead in the race. heidi, that has me asking does joe biden have them where he wants? has he lowered the bar? >> if he follows by a great performance, that's correct because the bar is lowered by this observation but underscores the stakes. there are so many others who are going to be on the stage with him, who will wait for any hesitation or sign of weakness to jump in and fill that space. steve, you're a numbers guy. if you drill down on the numbers, you will see about half say they are firm voters and 85% plan to watch the debates. if the opposite occurs and he has a major stumble, it could be

very very bad for him, given there are so many other options who have said -- made exactly this argument, that his time has passed in terms of policies he stood for and stands for and more subtly, he's moving up there in years. >> if i could say briefly, one of the things we should not underestimate is the value joe biden has to the democratic party as an organization. some of the other top tier candidates, sanders ran against the party. elizabeth warren is not seen as a product of the party. joe biden can, through some eyes, help the party infrastructure. there are others of color who have gained political economic power through the party apparatus and he is seen as a guy obama didn't necessarily support the party infrastructure and that carries a lot of weight for voters. >> biden has been around so

long. being vice president for eight years, under barack obama, how much that changed his political standing within the democratic party. garrette, you were trying to say something? >> i wanted to say an observation, joe biden is running against himself right now. i think it ties together both topic on this segment, lack of movement in the polls on segregationist comments and going into these debates. so many people i meet in early states are not as dialed into this race right now. joe biden is a known commodity, known so fondly for the service in the obama administration. unless another candidate wrestles this away from him, with the degree to which his mistakes are hobbling him there is nowhere for this support to go. some candidate has to take it from him and no one has broken through in that way. it is still joe biden's race to

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the president responding in very trumpian fashion to an allegation of sexual assault, telling reporters at the hill quote, i will say it with great respect, number one, she's not my type. number two, it never happened, it never happened, okay? when asked if the accuser was lying, he said quote totally lying, i don't know anything about her. i know nothing about this woman. it's a terrible thing people can make statements like there at. the allegation he is responding to comes from writer e. jean carroll who accused him of

assaulting her in the 1990s. the not my type defense is something he's heard before. >> she's doing a story on melania, who's pregnant at the time, and donald trump, our one year anniversary, and she said, i made inappropriate advances. take a look. you take a look. look at her and look at her words, you tell me what you think. i don't think so. i don't think so. >> i was sitting with him on an airplane and he went after me on the plane. yeah, i'm going to go after. believe me, she would not be my first choice, that, i can tell you. you don't know. that would not be my first choice. >> and joining the conversation, a journalist member of the editorial board. mara, the response from the president, what do you make of that? >> all i can say is if only he was explaining himself in a courtroom.

unfortunately that's not possible because the statute of limitations has run out in that case. you know, it's interesting any woman who's ever been sexually harassed or assaulted knows that that's the language of a predator. i wasn't there. i don't know. everyone deserves a day in court. that's not going to happen in this case. it's funny, because in his denial the president actually manages to revictimize this woman, to objectify her, take away her humanity. doesn't use her name. says, of course i wouldn't have done it because, you know, essentially she's not good looking enough. that's the language of a man who doesn't love women and appreciate them but actually hates them and likes to dominate them. this is not -- rape isn't about sex, right? rape is about power. and i think that's what we're seeing on display.

it's grotesque. it makes you wonder what his supporters are thinking. >> heidi, we play some of the dates on those clips we just showed were the 2016 campaign. i think what makes this -- trying to think, presidents who have been in a situation like this -- there was an accusation of rape against bill clinton in 1999. he didn't talk about it this way and that's the only time you had a president accused of anything like this. in the case of trump, you had so much come out in the 2016 campaign. you had women stepping forward saying heeo. ed th ed -- saying he groped them. you had the "access hollywood" tape and he said, that's locker room talk. you listen to the "access hollywood" tape and that allegation, what do you make of it? >> i understand your point and mara's point, we almost become as the media desensitized to

this because you don't see that movement or any of his support chipping off. there's evidence of that. the polling says only 5% of american voters would have changed their vote had they known about stormy daniels, he had an affair with a porn star while his wife was giving birth or right after his wife gave birth. we're tempted to say, hey, this is not going to have an impact. i think women are listening, i really do. this is different from the other accusations. this is about an actual rape. that's the word we should be using. there's sexual assault which is not always rape. this involves penetration, this involves jean carroll saying this was painful to her. i think this crosses a line with the public. this is a woman who is an accomplished author. she's not someone coming out in the context of a campaign, she is writing a book, but she's not

coming out right in the heat of a campaign. i think that depending who the president's competitor is or challenger is in the next election, i don't think this is necessarily the last woman we will hear from or last development in this narrative. women including moderate gop women are listening. >> e. jean carroll provided her account of what happened. she did say last night on cnn she does not want the term "rape" used to describe it. you can make of it what you will. she did say that. mentioned bill clinton in 1999, president accused of rape and asked about it at a press conference and referred to his lawyer's denial. it was the end of the impeachment saga, affair with the white house intern. i remember it was tom daschle, the leader went on the sunday show and spoke for a bipartisan

consensus in washington, basically, we're not going to resolve this and let's move on. the entire political world did move on and two decades later the world discovered anita broderick. the claim is different in a lot of ways. do you think the response is different? >> i don't know. it's hard to know, covering this white house day-to-day and some of the things that happen and static situation with the poll numbers is perplexing sometimes. you sort of wonder what will break through. you would think an allegation like this on top of many similar allegations would make a dent. i'm not sure for too many voters out there, as horrifying a story this is and seems like it is something that can be corroborated, i don't know how many are learning something new about the president. a lot of supporters of donald trump have made their peace he is imperfect and not a role model for their children, go to

his rallies and say they will volunteer. i don't agree with everything he does or says, but here's why i like him. they're basically brushing that aside. i don't know what the impact of a story like this will be and that is more of a reflection where we are culturally at this moment or anything we will learn new about this. >> in a lot of ways, uncharted. after the break, donald trump in a deteriorating relationship with chief of staff, the latest has people asking should nick mulvaney be worried about his job? his job?

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>> your chief of staff. >> if you're going to cough, please leave the room. enough veiny's cough, the one heard around the room, calling that cough-gate according to "politico" that suggests trump may be tiring of his chief of staff, snapping at him with increasing frequency and greater frustration than usual. you think you've heard this story before think of his predecessors, reince priebus. mulvaney serve business as acting chief of staff, one of key administration positions that either does not have a permanent destination or remains unfilled. you will notice the white house press secretary not listed there because stephanie grisham will take over for sarah huckabee

sanders, a job vacant since march, the same month we last saw a white house press briefing. joining us now, phil rucker from the "washington post." thank you for taking a few minutes with us. reporting about nick mulvaney, is there anything to it? >> this is sort of a natural thing in trump world, right? when aides are in these senior jobs they're spending so many hours a day interacting with the president the president eventually tires of them, gets sick of them, annoyed by them, doesn't want them around as much anymore. that doesn't necessarily milk mulvaney is on his way out the door. indeed could be on as acting chief of staff for permanent chief 0 of staff for many weeks to come. it speaks to the president's chaotic way of managing government. he is really his own chief of staff in many respects and we saw many reiterations in the john kelly era, he was in favor

and out of favor and in favor again and the cycle just goes on. >> we put that list up. all those different positioning within the administration are being held on an acting, non-permanent often cases, non-confirmed basis. trump has talked about how he likes having people in acting interim capacities. what does trump get out of that? does that weaken his subordinates and give him more leeway? is that what it is? >> it absolutely does. it gives him the power to get rid of these people on a whim and makes the people in these acting positions feel less certain and less secure about their standing in the government and therefore perhaps more likely to execute what the president wants, to not confront him and not challenge him. what's missing right now is accountability. there is a reason that permanent positions, not staff position is in the white house but at the cabinet level that they go through a confirmation process

so the congress, a ko equal branch of government, and that is missing in these positions. >> other news, basil, today, white house press secretary, stephanie grisham. do you have a new public face. the press secretary will be the public face day-to-day and the president will make grand pronouncements. in this administration, president trump is the public face on everything. >> he is. to have a press secretary head of communications is interesting. the question whether or not we go back to some kind of daily or twice a week, some kind of regular press conference is going to be interesting. yes, the president is the face of the sole voice of the administration. to this point, that's why the concept of accountability becomes so important. why i had a transition and changed my idea on impeachment.

there is nothing that keeps this president accountable, not just bureaucracy but bad behavior and speaking from the oval office about a lot of these allegations. that's really the concern i have, issue of accountability and that work isn't getting done. that's a problem democrats are going to have to tackle, assuming we take back the office in 2020, to undo all of what he hasn't done. >> is that a message democrats will try to run to voters, talking about the way the administration is run, interim versus permanent? is that too insider? >> i hope not for their sake. it's remarkable speaking about messaging from the white house and outside of it. remarkable the ways democrats and members of congress have failed to capitalize on this president's missteps and mistakes, horrific behavior, the mueller report. they really need a narrative to be pushed. they need to be on point.

they don't have the same talking points. everyone is talking about something different. they don't have an alternate vision on immigration being pushed broadly. some of the candidates do. the issues congress should be talking about, democrats specifically are only being spoken about for some reason about the democratic candidates. voters just went to the polls months ago. i'm wondering why the democrats are so silent on so many of these issues. i think that's just frustration of someone who watches, you know, people who are good at messaging or not. we'll see how the new press secretary does. >> phil rucker, practical nuts and bolts question for you. a new press secretary comes in. position, we were wondering who it's going to be, as a reporter covering this, how does that change your day-to-day working life? >> steve, it really doesn't. we ask the same questions, talk

to a different array of sources but we're after the same information and we're trying to hold public officials accountable. stephanie grisham will be a new figure in the west wing but she's not a new figure to those covering the white house. she was an early staffer on the trump campaign, the spokeswoman for the first lady's office, so a lot of reporters covering the white house like myself have known her a long time now. >> thank you. appreciate that. when we come back, the table makes a bold move predicting who we will be talking about the morning after the debates. i want to hear this one. stay with us. stay with us feedback that helps you drive safer. and that can lower your cost now that you know the truth... are you in good hands?

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welcome back. you're looking at the live scene in miami. preparations well under way. tomorrow night, the first night of the two night debut democratic debate here on the nbc family of networks. ten candidates will be on the stage. debate season begins. before you know it primary season will be here. the panel is back with me. we have ten candidates going tomorrow night. the biggest name, joe biden, will be thursday night. couple other big names, tomorrow night, elizabeth warren, you see her in the middle of the stage. she's the highest polling candidate going tomorrow night, that's why she's in the middle of the stage. cory booker on one side, beto o'rourke on the other. seven other candidates. i want to ask about the seven other candidates.

that's one of the themes of the debate. there are so many candidates out there, we have all been following them, but it has been hard for them to get through. i want to ask the panel this block, stipulating warren has a great opportunity, stipulating cory booker, beto o'rourke need something to happen to live up to potential at the beginning of this, there are seven others that desperately want the worl , talking about them. who tomorrow night has the most potential to cause people to notice them. heidi, putting you on the spot first. >> of course i have to go first. you're saying other than elizabeth warren, she's someone we're going to be talking about tomorrow, my prediction is what you have on the first night that -- what you have on the second night you don't have the first night, someone in that moderate lane to play the role of joe biden there, but you have some folks who i heard a lot about doing well, some of these smaller meetings with democrats,

going to some democratic base meetings, including tim ryan. i think tim ryan is somebody who maybe has an opportunity tomorrow night to paint that contrast. another name is jay inslee. the reason i point him out is because climate change is really rocketing up in the polls in terms of what democratic voters are concerned about. he is crafting his whole campaign around that. >> give us a name. what do you think. >> amy klobuchar. i liked her. from the midwest. i want that voice to be represented on the stage, and i know she has been discounted in many ways, stories about her temper. i dismiss a lot of that. i always liked her. i feel like she can have a good breakout moment. that said as a new yorker, i hope the mayor does, too. >> mayor de blasio. >> i am definitely going with bill de blasio.

he, i covered him for six years, he is the luckiest politician i have ever covered. there are low, low expectations for him, and he's a really good campaigner. i predict he will have a moment. he is the only one on point really about joe biden. i suspect we'll have a surprise in him. >> 8 million people in new york. to win an election there, you have to do something. eli quickly. >> night two, michael bennet. the guy is annoyed, not afraid to speak his mind, desperate for a breakout moment. had a lot of conversations, known him a long time. this is the opportunity, serious contrast to draw. i will be watching, because i am flying to japan with him, president trump. will he live tweet debates and what do those tell us who he is focused on, concerned about. >> does he elevate someone, too. we have it all on tape, will revisit it afterwards. last break. be right back. afterwards. last break be right back. my experience with usaa

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nicolle wallace will be back for "deadline white house" tomorrow. and she will be part of the big night we have here. she and brian start live coverage of the first debate, beginning 7:00 p.m. i'm be there, too, with the old big board. chris matthews will be in the spin room in miami. you don't want to miss it. first, "mtp daily" with chuck todd starts right now. if it is tuesday, breaking news on the crisis at the border. the house set to vote on billions in emergency aid for migrants. democrats are divided whether to give the president the money he's asking for. plus, the white house border chief resigns after two months on the job amid more reports of children living in