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interfered on his behalf. >> so do you believe president trump is an illegitimate president? [ laughter ] >> based on what i just said, which i can't retract. >> good morning and welcome to "a.m. joy" live from los angeles. so i feel like i say this every week, actually every day, every hour that we are living in extremely abnormal, unprecedented times. what you just heard and what you just saw was a former president of the united states questioning the legitimacy of the current president of the united states. that has never happened. even when former presidents notably despised their successors, that has never happened. former president jimmy carter went there friday while talking about russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election. he said it at an event hosted by the carter foundation where he established himself as a unique moral voice among former presidents. carter's absolute rebuke came on

the same day donald trump had his first face-to-face meeting since the end of the russia investigation with vladimir putin. a meeting at which trump once again publicly defended him and even joked about needing to warn putin not to attack our election again. message please, sir, please help me by attacking the election again. right now trump is in south korea for meetings with president moon who is not a dictator so trump will probably not grovel in front of him. what trump want is a photo op with murderous dictator kim jong-un. here is trump tweeting a plea to please come hang out at the dmz, please come spend time and take selfies and trump bragging about the possibility of such a meeting this morning. >> well, it might happen tomorrow to be honest. we won't call it a summit. we'll call it a handshake if it does happen. i don't know it will. i think he'd like to do it and i don't mind doing it. he follows my twitter --

>> he does. >> i guess so, we got a call very quickly. a lot of people follow it. but you know, they have contacted us and they would like to see -- we're not talking about for, extended, just a quick hello. >> oh my god, he follows me on twitter. will there be friendship bracelets? joining me is author of "the targ targeter." malcolm nance and sarah, scholar of authoritarian states and former state department advisor niara hawk and nbc news senior international correspondent kirsten. what's the take away from donald trump at the g 20? >> well, this are so many, joy, i guess. i think one of them for me is just a shamelessness. i remember previous g 20s when president putin left early because he was shunned by so many leaders. you'll remember last year the

crowned prince of saudi arabia shunned this time president putin, the crowned prince front and center. the crowned prince standing next to president trump at that family photo. so you know, you really saw those kinds of leaders taking center stage and saw president putin and president trump laughing together about the idea of election meddling and again, joy, i remember president putin being furious that he thought that hillary clinton might have intervene in someway in his elections and there he is laughing with president trump about the idea of election meddling. there were so many things to watch. with all that noise, i will say one thing, president putin this week in an interview declared liberism obsolete. perhaps their voices weren't heard as clearly as they may have been in previous times but

that is not dead. last piece, i guess, joy, you know, you saw this deal with the chinese today after the meeting with president xi on trade. you talked about president trump heading to south korea hoping to meet with kim jong-un. it seems president trump's foreign policy is shifting a little as we heads towards the 2020 elections. he wants to wrap things up, i suspect, in many places he certainly is likely to not want a fight going into those -- to that election. he's going to want to say he managed to achieve some things. >> yeah, you know, let me go to you on this because "the new york times" is reporting that donald trump's tweet like friend tweet to kim jong-un actually caught his -- the diplomatic core in asia and his advisors off guard particularly since the last meeting didn't go well. it ended as a disaster for both leaders. they got nothing. all of that pomp and circumstance and got nothing and no further substantive talks

have taken place since and no serious preparations made for an encounter on sunday which leads one to believe all he wants is to take a picture with him and be his friend. what is going ochoen hen here? i'm hold enough to remember the g 20 meetings, the image, the picture was the president of the united states with our allies. so you would see pictures of him with the leaders of britain and france and that sort of thing and now with donald trump there, all the pictures are trump with dictators and saudi dictator, trump with russia's vladimir putin and trump with the president for life of china. the image of the united states is united states surrounded by auto c au au autocrats.

>> their response on twitter is they haven't received an official diplomatic request to meet. they are using diplomatic processes and norms that most countries engage in and that's their expectation, yet, trump wants to negotiate all of this over twitter, which i just find astounding. that actually north korea is the one that's saying we need to use diplomatic channels and processes in place. there are institutions that are useful and processes that are useful. as far as the g 20, i'm astounded at trump's respond about meddling in the election. trump criticized principles throughout the g 20 meeting. trump didn't say anything in response to that and made a sarcastic remark. that's dangerous. putin's predecessors said democracy will collapse and always had some kind of response and return and trump didn't say anything to disappoint buiensur

upheld by the united states. >> i'll go to the first piece for niara. you worked at the state department. what does it mean the dictator of north korea is more respectful of the norms you set up a diplomatic encounter than the president of the united states? >> it looks like the world turned upside down and we have to navigate forward in protecting the u.s. interest because donald trump is not doing that at that moment. he's already paid off the u.s. integrity when it comes to defending human rights but frankly speaking about mohammed bin salman as not only a friend but as somebody who is selling a lot of arms to them so it's okay if they kill khashoggi and the perception of being friendly and having a broma ince and north korea saying we don't need to see you that much.

it's a clear understanding north korea got what they wanted, legit maization of being seen with the u.s. president and have no interest in any further negotiation about their nuclear program and that issue of negotiations between diplomats is critical as we look at what the tensions will happen with iran. allies are still trying to salvage something that's a diplomatic resolution to the tensions that trump and bolton and pompeo have ratcheted up but unport anyti unfortunately it doesn't seem donald trump understands what those words mean in terms of negotiating and bring people to the table, that's bringing it home with how he handled vladimir putin's comments about. trump didn't understand what he was talking about and brought it to san francisco and l.a. and what we think of as liberal democratic products when what putin was talking about is the idea of democracy and freedom of

press and minority rights protections. that's what our allies worry about. that's what our allies do and united states used to be the leader on that front. >> or maybe he does know what he's talking about because donald trump has -- it's clear he wants one thing, right? and typically american presidents want another like trying to advance democracy and sure up liberal democracy. donald trump wants to make deals that help him at least that seems to be the evidence. the people he is surrounding himself by, the chinese president for life, the autocrat who runs saudi arabia which "the new york times" wrote back in june. khashoggi a sacrificial animal they called him. this is on the report of the killing of the khashoggi and agnus on executions for the human rights agency makes the most detail d case that responsibility for the killing

and coverup lies at the highest levels of the saudi royal court. when donald trump is meeting with these autocrats what does it seem like he's signaling. >> trump is a sadistic who forms geopolitical alliances to that end. he seeks out people who do not obey the rule of law, who do not respect human rights, who do not hold themselves accountable to their own people. so that he can get away, you know, with his own ambitions. he looks to russia and saudi arabia and kim jong-un who leaders who have murdered journalist and have grotesque violations and we need to emphasize china and the persecution. that is who he sees the united states as being a partner with. that is the reflection of himself that he sees in the world and unfortunately, we do

see this in the united states. we see this with the migrant crisis on the boarder with the abuse of migrant children. you know, this is not just about the shattering of international norms. this is about the shattering and the taking of human life and i hope that we can bring this conversation back to that, to the ordinary people of all of these countries who are being brutalized by this access of autocrats. >> if you notice, he's there, that's his treasury secretary, is that mnuchin sitting next to him? the access of autocrats, you've written and used that phrase a lot and that was donald trump's goal becoming president wasn't about becoming the lead erer ofe free world but becoming rich and being access of people that think like him and earn the way he would like to earn or who are and who he aspires to be like. is that mission completed, malcolm? >> in fact, it's vladimir putin who set up as i wrote in plot to

destroy democracy the access of autocracies and it existed since the end of world war ii and held up since the atlantic alliance, the united states and european liberal democracies. vladimir putin views that as an objective to be destroyed and so what he's done is he's put in an american autocrat. there are two nations at play, two teentities. the united states of the america and there is donald trump and donald trump is a want to be autocrat and what you saw at the g 20, what you mentioned when you talked earlier, what you saw was the 17 other nations of the world plus the three principle organizations in the access of

autocracies and china are committed to breaking up the balance of power as it's existed since world war ii and kept europe relatively safe that being said, these polls are the last polls that hold up global democracy. the united states has now as an official policy of donald trump's government has abandoned liberal democracy formed in the building behind me at independence hall in philadelphia. he does not believe it. vladimir putin personally attacked liberal democracy. he said liberal democracy is obsolete. that is the american democracy that is existed for 244 years. donald trump agrees with him and is working to destroy that. putin also said it's the end of

multi cultural to say it's the end of the united states of america. these are the threats which we are facing today and donald trump is the leader of that threat. well, that the not really true. he's vladimir putin's, you know, puppy but donald trump is certainly the leader in the united states on this point. >> yeah, and i think it's very important to know when we have the discussions, he couldn't do it without a willing republican party willing to say bored n sas himself with them. it's not just donald trump in isolation with his party. thank you very much. appreciate all of your time today. coming up, donald trump wants to be friends with enemies while making enemies of our friends. h making enemies of our friends. when crabe stronger...strong, with new nicorette coated ice mint. layered with flavor... it's the first and only coated nicotine lozenge.

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donald trump thinks standing up to russia and warning vladimir putin not to interfere in next year's election is a joke. he thinks what russia did to attack our sovereignty in 2016 was joke on us. putin wasn't the only authoritari authoritarian, he took in a

breakfast meeting with mohammed bin salman, the man the cia concluded ordered the murdering of jamal khashoggi last year, which trump calls his friend. trump cozied up to china's president for life, ping. my colleague wrote about the impact and joining me is author of "the future is history." i want to go and play a few bites of donald trump at the g 20 this week. here is donald trump and this is cut number one talking about vladimir putin in an interview on russian state tv earlier today. >> he's a great guy. i think we had a really -- that's okay. that's okay. we had a great meeting. i think he's a terrific person. we accomplished a lot. we're starting to talk about trade and we should have trade between russia and the united states, two great countries so we had a very good meeting yesterday. he's a terrific person. >> i was talking with keir

simmons in an earlier block, our reporter out of the long doe burro about the pictures i used to see coming out of the g 20, the american president surrounded by the britains and french and italians and leaders of the west. the pictures of donald trump are donald trump with autocrats surrounding himself with and no real images of him with our, what our traditional allies are. what do you make of donald trump's remaking of the relationship between the united states and the world? >> i think, you know, as with so many things that have happened over the trump presidency, this is something that we need to be constantly taking stock of and we're not because of the insane news cycle. but yes, the summit allows us to see just how profoundly the united states has changed in its positioning in the world. and how trump is basically expressing his very natural

personal frpreference. we used to for a couple years obsessed with the idea he was maybe owned by russia but what he's really expressing, right, there is no simple explanation but expressing this is what he thinks political power is. this is what his natural allegiances are, this is where his natural interests lie. >> also, that he -- i think people tend to think of vladimir putin only as the guy that controls donald trump or who seeks to break up the united states and the alliance and destroy us and crush us by manipulating our president, that's the sinister view of putin but he's aligned with donald trump and the people who vote for donald trump. they believe in the same things. it's not just trump. i want you to listen to vladimir putin talking about liberal lits read it. in an interview in an ft interview with the kremlin on

the eve of the g 20 summit, the rush russian president said the liberal idea out lived its purpose as the public turned against immigration, open borders and multi culturacultur. liberals cannot dictate anything to anyone like they have been attempting to do over the recent decade. that sounds like any republican you could just grab out of congress or off the street. so putin kind of is trump. >> exactly. i mean, when i saw that quote and it's remarkable because, you know, this is something that in the past putin's people have said. he has never quite come out and said this in so many words. right? so there is actually a process we're observing, which is trump is emboldening putin and putin is emboldening trump. this idea that again, putin's people have been running around with for years, which is that there is multicultural is a terrible thing and forced down

our throats and this is an important quote from a thinker. there is nothing universal about universal human rights. we're seeing for example the united states state department form a special working group on revisiting the idea of human rights. i don't think it's because trump is putin's puppet but there is natural conversions of thinking. >> and let me play really quickly donald trump talking about another dictator, saudi crowned prince mohammed bin salman and calling him his friend. take a listen. >> the crowned prince of saudi arabia, a friend of mine, a man who has really done things in the last five years in terms of opening up saudi arabia and i think especially what you've done for women, i'm seeing what is happening like a revolution in a positive way and i want to just thank you on behalf of a lot of people and i want to confwrco congratulate you. you've done a spectacular job. >> people who watch the show know i don't like playing donald

trump eastsi's clips, however, n the capacity to be shocked watching an american president reflect before dictators, prostrate himself in front of putin, in front of mohammed bin salman. it's shocking to me as an american. your thoughts ? i don't have a question. >> this is one of the times you shouldn't be on television saying you have no words, but i have no words. trump, the rhetoric he's using all that he's done for women. you know, donald trump, right talking on behalf of saudi women. i mean, you can't make this stuff up. >> you can't -- very quickly before we go, at the same time that donald trump is taking women's babies out of their hands and his administration is ripping their children away and throwing them in cages and

having them sleep in nothing because diaper on the floor and the detention camps that is becoming the kind of country we used to send monitors to. >> i think we need to start using the words concentration camps, and i had a column about this last week where i sort of try to analyze the debate about the use of the term concentration camp. i think it's an argument about how we see our civiselves in hi. we think history is something that happened to other people a long time ago and was happening with us is inevitably smaller because there is other stuff going on but what is going to remain in history is that this country created camps for people who are exercising the legal right to seek asylum, concentration camps. >> yeah, it's shocking but i think you have to remain -- keep the capacity to be shocked. it's our only hope. i love talking with you, thank

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worked with them to oppose bussing, and you know, there was a little girl in california who was part of the second class to integrate her public schools, and she was bussed to school every day. and that little girl was me. >> that powerful moment from senator camilkamala harris at thursday's democratic debate may have cracked the entire foundation of joe biden's campaign and a glimpse of what it would look like for a women of color to take on donald trump this a debate. joining me is evette nicole brown who is adorable and i did not ask you to do that. >> no, this is my choice. >> kareem and moveon.org, you through me off -- [ laughter ] >> author of "one nation after trump." my friend. i have to come to you first because you are my publicist

now. >> yes. >> i -- it was interesting to me that the first night, second night were really different. >> totally different. >> the first night felt like everyone was introducing themselves and sort of not paying attention to trump. >> right. >> and the second night more about conflict. >> cage fight. >> with trump and biden. >> yes. >> what do you make of kamala harris' decision to go there with biden. >> i had a conversation with a friend that felt this was out of line. i said no, if she's bothered by it or affected by it, she should speak about it. biden, uncle joe has been sliding by a little bit because of name recognition and the whole barack obama thing. i need him to stand on his own two feet and win votes because of him. not because of anybody else or anything he's done. i'm not coming for uncle joe. that's great. but i respect what she did and understand. it does linger. things like that linger. >> kareem john pierre, you're uniquely positioned because you

worked for joe biden's best friend and he loves to remind us his best friend in the entire world on earth, barack obama. he does feel like he's drafting on the obama friendship and he isn't -- some of the reporting is he isn't focussing on his prep for the debates, but he does feel like i'm obama's friend, what more do you want from me? kamala harris understood the road to the nomination goes through biden. >> yes. >> you have to defeat biden and she seemed to be the only one that understood that. >> it was clear. it was a masterful just kind ov display of how you do a debate and execute it. the last presidential cycle, i got to be part of debate prep and you just -- i'm just amazed at how well it went. when you work on a presidential campaign and you go to debate prep, you hope you're betting off than when you came into the

debate, right? so what camilkamala harris did, you said, she knows. she has to win south carolina. biden has to win south carolina. biden is in her way of winning south carolina. so she had to go after biden. it was surprising for us because we, the talk was bernie was going to do it -- >> right. >> and the thing that biden has that she needs is black voters. they are the ones propelling him to the top. that is the one group that is helping him so much in these polls and particular black women. so when she did this, the thing that's so masterful about it, it was layered, right? she took something, his 40-year record and took an issue, racial inequality and put her story and self-into it and then after that, her campaign tweets out a picture of her in second grade. >> with the pigtails. >> so if you are a black woman or a black person and you are watching this 18 million people are watching and you see this picture of a young girl african american black woman, you're

thinking wow, that looks like me. wow, that story really touches me. it was just a masterful move. you have to commend kamala harris and her team for it. >> listen, my sister is a little younger than kamala harris and was bussed and a kid. that picture reminded me of my sister with a little afro bupuf. we had that happen in denver. she touched the third rail with democratic politics which is criticizing obama which is a bank shot off obama, not a straight up criticism but glancing criticism to hit biden again. this is one for my team and this is on immigration, take a listen. >> on the secure communities issue, i was attorney general of california. i led the second largest department of justice in the united states, second only to the united states department of justice in a state of 40 million people and on this issue, i disagreed with my president because the policy was to allow

deportation of people who by isis' own definition were non-criminals. as attorney general, and the chief law officer of the state of california, i issued a directive to the sheriffs of my state that they did not have to come play wi compile with detainers. >> everybody has three names. jose diaz balart asked everyone should people be deported just for the only crime being immigration? that was smart because, you know, president obama did take a lot of heat from la ttino activt sometimes called deporter in chief and seemed to sweep in people who may have been loved upon but skeptical about him on this issue. he seemed to scoop them in, too. >> i think so first of all, what she was talking about is real issues within the latino community. we ended up being part of obama's placing task force and

surveyed the community to find out what do you need the president to stop doing? the number one thing that came in and made it into the recommendation was to decouple law enforcement from i.c.e. because they knew they could not have a conversation. they could not call the police in an kamilla mentioned. i sat down with jay johnson and he said really, if your daughter gets raped, you're not going to call the police? no, not if it's coupled with i.c.e. because that gamble is too big and she was able to understand that and she was able to do it definitely and able to show examples that really landed a punch of what was at minimum one of the deepest critiques in the obama administration. let's be clear, obama deported a lot of people. understand this president, he's not deporting people. he's holding them in detention and in that system, they are making billions of dollars off

of children. they are making billions of dollars off of separating children. so that's a completely different tactic. this president has no intention of deportation. >> yeah, he's not deporting. they are holding them for profit basically. let me ask you because, you know, in a sense we've been talking about biden being obama's guy but in this primary, i feel in a sense like biden is hillary in 2008. right? he's the inevitable guy and these challenges are coming for him and he could wind up having a showdown in south carolina much the way hillary clinton did because the clintons preschoume the black vote was there and turned out to be wrong when after caprican americans said w minute, we could have a black president? it's possible. hey, maybe we'll look at him. >> clearly, harris going in knew that as said earlier, she is in competition for the african american vote with joe biden. by the way, i got to say first, congratulations on your book. i want to be part of that team. >> thank you.

>> second, and this actually relates -- >> thank you. >> your whole previous segment about a president who treats immigrants barberously is why this segment is important. what harris understood, she took a big gamble in that debate, a gamble in going after obama although as maria said, it's an issue where a lot of democratics bases agreed with her but a gamble going after joe biden and i think she wanted to present a picture as she did in the south carolina talk that she gave a few days earlier, i am the prosecutor and i can prosecute the case against donald trump, and so whatever people inside the party might think of going after another democrat, she was trying to model what a debate against donald trump might look like and in those segments and also by the way, i think she was winning it before she went after

biden. she really knew that she needed a big performance in that debate because she had been kind of lagging before. >> yeah. absolutely. and a performative aspect to being a prosecutor, being a prosecutor may hurt her with some young black voters but being a prosecutor is great to perform in that setting. we'll keep this panel and have more of this conversation when we come back. have more of this conversation when we come back sure you do. that's why it's on us. 2. unlimited data. use as much as you want, when you want. 3. no surprises on your bill. taxes and fees included. still think you have a better deal? bring in your discount, and we'll match it. that's right. t-mobile will match your discount.

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i heard and i listened to and respect senator harris but, you know, we all know that 30 seconds to 60 seconds on a campaign debate exchange can't do justice to a life-time commentmecom commitment to civil rights. >> joe biden talked about jesse jackson's rainbow push collision. jackson was one of his opponents when both ran for president in 1988. how much damage was done to biden in 2020? my panel is back with me. evette, i wanted that. i asked my producer to add that picture to '88, joe biden has been in this game a long time. >> very long time. >> his senate hay day was in the '80s and '90s.

been there since 73 and was a really solid senator but his presidential runs were not as strong. >> right. >> is there a worry that maybe this isn't his strongest thing that he does running for president? >> my main concern is that there has been some unforced errors that have happened in the beginning and this is friendly fire right now from the democrats. so i've been talking to friends about this and i wonder what's going to happen when the russian bo th bots activate and everyone comes for him with attacks he's not prepared for. there is something about -- swalwell said pass the torch. it's okay. you've done great things. you're a wonderful man. he's in it. we'll take the run and see what happens. >> i think if he was the nominee, everyone would rally. >> i voted for the mop in the corner if it's the nominee. but at the same time, i want someone that has a future in our democratic party. i want someone that inspires me

and kamilla inspires and me and elizabeth warren inspires me and spunky little swalwell inspires me. can you be smart and read? >> remember when weguys. and can you be smart and read? >> remember when the presidents were smart? >> most of them are. >> e.j., you've covered biden, and i wonder about that, because biden is beloved. i think that people forget that people love joe biden, okay? african-americans, democrats, he was part of the most popular presidential administration in modern history for president obama. and i wonder if the risk in him running -- and i'm not saying he shouldn't, everyone should run -- is that he dents that legacy that he's had that's been so great, and he does it in the service of a campaign. if it's ultimately not

successful, how, then, do we write biden in history. you know what i mean? >> i appreciate what you say going in, because i go back a long way covering him going back to 1987, so i'm no spring chicken, but i was very young then, i want to make that clear. >> you were a baby. >> and in 2008 i wrote a column in june saying barack obama should pick joe biden, made a case for picking joe biden as his running mate. and i never regretted that column because i think it was a strong ticket and biden did very well with obama. so i'm one of those people who has real affection for biden. i think the problem in this debate is a lot of democrats going in remember the biden who confronted paul ryan, who was mitt romney's vice presidential candidate in 2012, and he really gave it to ryan after barack obama had had one of his few really not so hot debate

performances, and people look at biden and say, because of the broad support he has in the party and because of moments like that, he can take it to trump. and i think the biggest damage that was done to him that he's got to figure out how to write is that he didn't seem to have it in that moment when kamala harris came after him. he didn't really seem ready for an attack that he could have maybe somewhere in his head, he did, that he should have anticipated. so i don't think that affection for him dissipates all at once, but i think it puts an enormous burden on him now, and that's why he came out right away giving that civil rights speech. >> and so here's the thing. and i have to say, we're sort of -- we may not look alike, but we are alike in very many ways. because i, too, wrote at that time that president obama had to pick biden. because biden was the explainer to white working class people that barack obama needed.

and the qualities he's being hit for now are the very things that made him valuable to barack obama. because people who maybe say -- you know, people wear hoodies and they're not a gang banger, that sounded odd, so now he's getting hit by cory booker for the way he talks. but that was helpful to him when he was barack obama's wing man. so i wonder, careen, if he can still use the things that were magical to him that helped him be barack obama's wing man. can he find a way to resuscitate those things because this is a generational thing. the younger people, the younger african-americans, the younger women are saying warren, harris, julian, butte geigieg. they want the younger people. can he capture that younger man

and still be joe biden? >> the biden that we saw on thursday was not the biden of 2007 when the obama campaign took a look at -- when they were looking for a vp took a look at those debates and thought, oh, biden might be a choice for us to look at. or the biden of 2008 when he took on sarah palin in a debate. or the biden of 2012 when he was paired with paul ryan. and so it is really confusing because we know he can do it, right? we know he has it in him. he's been on the debate stage with a woman. he's been on the debate stage with someone who was younger than him and a different generation from him. it's not that he can't. it is really sad for me for someone who i adore him, he's a great, great, just human, which came off so unprepared for this moment. we all know and he understands that he has a 40-year record. the last couple weeks has been

really brutal for him on race, on abortion issues. and so i think the biggest problem that came out from biden on this is that now people have a second look, right? it's opened up for folks to look at other candidates that are in the race. >> yeah, and that is the thing that is the biggest danger in campaigns, when you lose the cloak of invincibility. once you don't seem invincible, that allows other people to move in. colored women are shopping. what can they do? >> you hit the nail on the head. i have to say, i know vice president biden, and i have to say of the politicians i met and spent time with, most of it was around immigration, he is generally curious to solve problems. he actually has this aptitude of what are the best ways and he actually gets under policy and he's thoughtful and he's curious and he wants to solve issues. so the biden that we saw on

thursday night was not the biden that i've had the ability to get to meet. the one that has demonstrated on national stage, the fire that he brings. he and kamala actually have a close relationship, so i think he was blindsided by how she was able to attack him in a graceful way. she wasn't angry, she was steady, and i think it was the personal relationship he was surprised by. because biden is the consummate politician. he does believe deeply in relationships and that is what he was trying to highlight with how he was able to build bridges in the past. >> yeah. go ahead, quickly. >> so what he has to do is basically demonstrate that he is the biden of the future. and that is going to be difficult, because none of those people on that stage was able to say how are we going to bring in new democrats, how are we going to increase the base? your guest said she would vote for a mop.

most democrats are on that page. how do you build the latino base? >> this is going to be either a nostalgia election or a change election. he can't be both. he is a nostalgia candidate. and you know who else was strange? hillary clinton and barack obama. she didn't think he was even going to run. two of these ladies i interviewed for the book, so you can read a little more about kumar. everyone has three names except me. i want three names. >> joy ann reed. the supreme court rulings this week, lisa bloom and morgan fairchild will be here to talk about those rape allegations against the president and rob ry reiner will be here after the break. reiner will be here after the break.

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when i see these kids at the border, i see my mom because i know she sees herself. she was separated for years from her parents during the holocaust in positiland. >> i will release children from cages, i will get rid of the private detention centers, and i will be sure that this microphone of the president of

the united states holds in her hand is used in the way of reflecting the values of our country. >> good morning and welcome back to am joy. from the 2020 debate stage to congress to the nation's highest court, this has been a critical week on the issue of immigration. the supreme court is making immigration one of its first priorities when it returns in the fall when it will hear a case about whether the trump administration illegally ended president obama's program for d.r.e.a.m.ers, those who were brought to the country illegally as children. meanwhile, speaker nancy pelosi is defending her decision to pass through the house the defendant's $4.6 million bill to deal with the humanitarian crisis at the border. democrats objected because they say the bill doesn't include strong enough protections for migrant children. >> i believe what we should be doing is passing a pure humanitarian bill to get money straight to those kids. no tricks, no riders, no poison

or pills. we need to get them soap and toothbrushes and make sure they're protected. and the fact this is a game is a huge, huge disappointment. >> and it really does beg the question, can we trust an administration whose draconian policies have grabbed this at the border. this picture is very graphic. a father and his young daughter who drowned in the rio grande river who tried to passov over e border this week. i want to go to you first, kevin, because you're it is fthr president of the california state senate. this is an issue very important in california. what do you make of the compromise that was reached in washington to fund the agencies that deal with migrants, $4.6 billion, but without what the

house wanted, which was prohibitions on feeding kids spoiled food and cold burritos, setting minimum conditions for the way that children, babies and mothers and teenagers, need to be treated without any of those protections but with a handshake deal with the white house who say, yeah, we won't starve them or put them on cold floors? >> as a florida leader of the california state senate but most important as a youngest child of an immigrant mother, a woman who had the courage to cross the border in a wave of bigotry, i am extremely upset that the so-called problem-solving caucus capitulated and colluded with president trump and the republicans in the u.s. senate. like you said, what they wanted was accountability. they wanted transparency. they wanted to make sure that money was spent for better food, better hygiene and better facilities, humanitarian facilities for young children and these babies. this is not guantanamo. these are children, these are

babies jailed by this president. no question about it, she was between a rock and a hard place. when you negotiate, you negotiate between three parties. it's the president of the urngs it -- united states, the speaker and the senate. but when it's two versus one, it's very difficult. let me underscore one thing. these members of congress, democrats and republicans, especially the democrats, should never have left washington, d.c. to go to a july fourth parade to wave from their cars, eating ice cream. they should have stayed in d.c. and stuck with their convictions to do the right thing. i wish these democrats would fight like hell for young children, for d.r.e.a.m.ers, for daca, just the way that president trump fights for that stupid wall. >> progressors have been. the rock and the hard place that

kevin deleon talks about is the moderates in the house are simply refusing to allow the democrats in leadership to get really tough with this president. they seem to be protecting him. >> absolutely. you talk about impeachment inquiry. they're holding up going into an aquarium which would clearly show this was the most criminal president we've had in american history. you said the right thing, which is trust. you can't trust these people. you can't trust them because trump is not interested in solving this problem. >> right. >> he is interested in keeping this alive so he has an issue to run on in 2020. that's all he has, is to demonize the brown people that are coming to america. >> and jamil, to demonize them -- and kamala harris will probably make this point because she's made it many times. the difference between trump's going to the border policy and

obama's policy, trump is trying to demonstrate to republicans that he's willing to be tough on border enforcement thinking they could get a deal. thinking if they're tough on that the democrats will come to the table, which never happened. and the other thing president obama was being criticized for was deporting people. donald trump isn't deporting people, they're holding them captive for money. what he seems to fail to see is that these private prisons can make a lot of money holding kids, especially if they don't spend money feeding them. >> one of the points i made in my column this week was, yes, we did open the door quite a bit. we've passed policies to president trump having these kids tourrtured, essentially, i these incarcerated states they have right now. you can't necessarily say obama did the same thing. >> not even close. >> you can't say president bush did the same thing. you have to look at what we did in the past as saying, look, we had policies that were

deterrents, yes, but what we have now is torture. what we have now is essentially children being left to urinate on themselves when they're left to care for one another, we have children left to breastfeed and have their clothes caked with breast milk, we have children left to, you know, essentially be fed spoiled and cold food without any kind of recreation, without any kind of care for one another. what we have now is essentially what you stated for, a guantanamo bay for children. >> except in guantanamo bay when people weren't eating, it was because they were on a hunger strike. here they're not eating because they have ice cold burritos or a source saying kids would come out saying we got one sandwich a day. let me go to kumar, because there is this dual aspect, there is the cruelty, and cruelty has

become the theme of this administration. they capture these kids, and hearing about the cruelty demonstrates to his base that he's getting tough on the right people, that he's hurting the right people. then at the same time, there's a lot of money to be made. even his former chief of staff john kelly has gotten in the game and he's going to enrich himself as well. >> this is a concerted effort against the latino community. president trump went down his elevator and announced he was basically going after the latino community. we all heard the code, and this was a long list of it. i was in homestead a few days ago and i was able to witness what the camp looked like. it was not like toronio. it was in the middle of the desert in blazing heat. at homestead, we got lost. they said, make a right at the walmart. it was in the middle of suburbia

in plain sight. i was able to stand on a block and look over and see children dressed in gray t-shirts and wearing orange neon caps so they were easily identifiable. that is the concentration camp uniform. and the fact that we are not outraged is despicable, because the fact that these children, the majority of them actually have relatives here in the united states, but they are being held capriciously by the president so he can continue to rally his base. and when i say this is the latino community, he's going after daca again, because he wants to make sure these individuals who were able to pass every single background check of what upstanding citizens they are, they want to take away that possibility of achieving the american dream. then you look at what happened just now with the supreme court and the census. we have receipts of a gop operative saying put a note on that census because we want to make sure we can write a draft for republican, white,

non-hispanic districts. they are not stopping at children, they're not stopping at the most vulnerable, they're trying to figure out what is it we can make sure the american people will tolerate and we'll continue pushing that line. >> kevin, the base of the republican party is animated by one thing, immigration. >> that's right. >> people that look like you, secondarily people that look like jamil and me. >> people that look like us. >> you're on our side, rob. >> the reality is if you combine all the policies together, and not to tout my book, but i did write an entire chapter about this and did a lot of research. that is the principle, that america is becoming less white and they don't want it to become a majority non-white. they're about to put the new head of i.c.e., a guy who says he can look into the eyes of brown children and see a future gang member.

he can just tell they're going to be gang members. he can just tell, right? something about them tells them they're going to be gang members. you got the supreme court cen s census. it didn't knock down the citizenship question but it was revealed by arguments in the court that there are purely racial reasons behind this. we have to make sure america holds its power. here's how we do it. it's getting more obligate achb -- blatant. >> this has always been a nation of immigrants, but it's not been driven by white supremacy. i was the first publicist nationwide to publicly declare that then general jeff sessions were basing it on white supremacy. we have people on the sidelines but they're coming out more so. that's why i wrote the senate state bill making california the largest state in the nation to provide sanctuary for hard-working immigrants who have

risked their lives, who have been here 15, 20 years, but the reality is this, the republicans in washington are doing everything within their power, legally and illegally, to thwart the efforts of people of color having a real opportunity to succeed in this nation. that's the bottom line. what we need in washington is we need politicians to demonstrate the courage of their convictions, because we must always be a beacon of hope and opportunity in a very uncertain world. we cannot allow one person to stop generations of progress in the hope of adversity, advancement and our sense of global responsibility. >> i always hesitate to lean on your celebrity because you're an activist in your own right, but you were part of a television program that telegraphed this era in the 1970s. when you look at "all in the family," it was kind of about one ethnic group, because politicians in queens, they are themselves immigrants, grandchildren and children.

then to get all the attention the democratic party turned away. >> the same issues that we were arguing about back then are right there bubbled up to the surface again. i, like a lot of people in this country, never was naive to think there wasn't racism. we always knew there's been racists in the original sin of this country. but it seemed like we were moving in a good direction. i mean, the combination of which was barack obama becomes president. but what we didn't realize was the virulence of racism that was underneath that had been tamped down that was released by his election, and when we see this backlash and it comes to the fore, i never realized the volume of and the power of it that is there. and they are fighting like crazy. to me i look at it as hopefully the last battle of the civil war, that we're in it right now.

if we can win this battle, hopefully we can move past this and make this country what it's meant to be, which is this great combination of people to make it stronger. >> absolutely. and jamil, it does feel like a bit of an internal civil war. >> well, the problem is that conservatives have been playing out this battle for quite a while. they've been securing their advantage in the courts, so they have been setting themselves up to succeed for quite a while. so even though they may be losing the argument, they have been saying, hey, we're going to be in the courts for generations to come, we're going to be making those decisions that are going to be setting the course for your lives, and, you know, even though we may not be the majority, we're going to be basically lording over you. >> once they have the court, this will be very hard to pull it back. rob will be back with us later in the show. kefr kevin deleon, marie teresa

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today the court there's a citizenship question on the consensus, they wouldn't be able to print the forms, they had to get them to the printers. now they have their decision. >> this week the supreme court

issued two major rulings that could have a profound effect on our democracy. in a significant blow to the trump administration, the court blocked for now the addition of a citizenship question to the 2020 kren succecensus, a move t have left states vulnerable to undercounts and given voters anan electoral advantage. but they gave a green light to party gerrymandering which means whatever party leads the legislature in 2020, they will control electoral maps for at least the next decade. joining me now is counsel of the election fund. cheryl, good to talk to you. it's good news and bad news. let's go to the good news first. i'm changing to my team. justice roberts wrote on the citizenship question ruling, he wrote the following. this court shares the district court's conviction that the decision to reinstate a citizenship question cannot

adequately be explained in terms of the department of justice's request for improved citizenship data to better enforce the voting rights act. several points taken together reveal a significant mismatch between the secretary's decision and the rationale he provided. clarence thomas said, i do not that a judge pre-disposed to distrust the secretary or the administration could arrange those facts on a corkboard and with a jar of pins and a spool of string create an eye-catching conspiracy web. your thoughts? >> the citizenship had the possibility of having devastating implications for the census undercount. african-americans and latinos are always undercounted in the census. we should expect that to happen in this census as well, but the citizenship question was clearly designed to discourage, particularly latinos, from

participating in the census for fear of it being used in some way to address citizenship issues, particularly for people living in mixed households for people who are documented and undocumented, here legally and undocumented. so that was clearly the plan. of course, that efvidence newer speaking about that was newly discovered last month was not what was in front of the supreme court. what was in front of them was a patently discoverable argument that the citizenship question was added to the census to help them enforce the voting rights act. the trump justice department has a grand total of zero cases the filed to support the voting rights act. there is no interest in the trump administration enforcing the voting rights act and the citizenship question would not be particularly useful in enforcing the voting rights act, and we appreciate, actually, that justice ryan included in

our brief that the two were entirely unrelated. so it's good that justice roberts found it to be contrived. he called it a pretext. he didn't say what it was a pretext for, but he called it a pretext. >> interesting, he also called it fake news. i have a couple questions about this. upholding partisan gerrymandering, i wasn't surprised because he struck down part of the voting rights act and didn't seem to be very much a friend of it. what are the implications of this? she wrote, of all the times to abandon the court's duty to declare the law, this was not the one. the challenge in these cases imperil or system of government. none is more important than free and fair elections. did she read that from the bench? did i get that right? >> she did, she did read part of

it from the bench which spoke volumes. this dissenting opinion, i have encouraged people to read it, people what maybe don't understand what's at stake with gerrymandering. this is a powerful and important opinion and decision that will shape the course of america in democracy. justice roberts admits that partisan gerrymanderers produce an unjust result but he also said the federal courts have no role in fixing this, which leaves it to who, the state legislatures that are actually gerrymander gerrymandered? if the state courts have to manage it, why can't the federal court manage it? they asked this question, is this how american democracy is supposed to work? she lays out the facts that are at issue in this case. in north carolina in 2012, even though republicans had less than 50% of the statewide vote, they won 9 of the 13 seats in the

house. this kind of gerrymandering is fundamentally undemocratic, and it means that voters all over this country will not have a voice but instead political parties can manipulate lines to entrench their power for decades to come because you're always building off the old maps. it's really quite serious, and as justice kagan said, the majority just threw up their hands and said, we can't do anything about it. >> do you think it was a mistake to argue on partisanship rather than race? it seems like cases on racial gerrymandering have been winning? >> that is true. certainly racial gerrymandering has been found to be unconstitutional and the court has recognized that. of course, we can always monday morning quarterback. now we have this newly found evidence that was discovered in the attic of thomas holfell lera republican operative who makes his case in the census also, and now we ever that smoking gun evidence. but that is still before the federal district court in

maryland. to the extent that president trump has been blustering and talking about wanting to go back to present more information to the supreme court, the more information that would come before the supreme court is proof that this was a racially discriminatory pretext. >> he even thinks he's going to delay the census. i don't have time to talk to you about this florida poll talks. can you come back? i want to talk to you about the florida poll tax that was filed last night. sherrilyn ifill, thank you for coming on. the president has been accused of rape. it's come out of a long ago case. a woman accused him of long ago raping her. we'll discuss the e. jean carroll allegations and what, if anything, will come of them, next. anything, will come of them, next

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will you cooperate with a senate inquiry or any inquiry into the facts of the case? >> absolutely, 100%. >> that was advice columnist e. jean carroll with my friend and colleague chris matthews last night responding to news that two republican lawmakers, mitt romney and joni ernst, say that carroll's rape allegation by the president should be investigated. president trump has denied the allegations, which for any other president would be devastating front-page news. carroll's story wasn't, though it did gain traction this week

confided that she spoke to them after the assault. >> what? he raped you? and you said, eh. he kept pulling down my tights, he pulled down my tights. >> it was horrible, we fought. and i said, let's go to the police. no. come to my house. no, i want to go home. >> right. >> i'll take you to the police. no. it was 15 minutes of my life, it's over. don't ever tell anybody, i just had to tell you. >> joining me on set, more morg fairchild, activist. e. jean carroll has a book out. she's not an unknown person. she's a famous advice columnist so she's the highest profile accuser, i believe, of the 15 accusers we count in the news

biz. there are 15 accusers of trump in a sexual assault. there are ten women who accused him of inappropriate sexual contact. when this story landed in the "new york times," it was in the book section. is that something that should surprise us or outrage us, or what did you think about that? >> i think we should all be terribly outraged that it landed in the book section as if it's just a review of another story of a sitting president of the united states accused of rape. >> are you surprised that her fame and notoriety -- the other women, people don't know who those are, or maybe if you watch "the apprentice," but people did know who she is. how is this not a front page story all across america. >> i think it is now, i think it's gaining traction because she is well known and because the other two witnesses came out, the contemporary story that

she told at the time. this isn't, he groped me, he tried to kiss me in an elevator, this is actual rape. >> as somebody who represents women in this situation, lisa, i know you know it's very difficult to put yourself in a position of then being attacked for the accusations, especially when you have a president who has a cult or personality following that will come after you. the fame that e. jean carroll has doesn't matter, or does it? >> i represented joan hart whofrs twho was the first one to come out in 2016 and accuse president trump and she filed a lawsuit in the '90s about it. the woman who accused bill cosby, when she came out with her story, he called her a liar. we won the first appeal two years ago, we're about to win the second appeal.

e. jean carroll does have legal address because trump came out and called her a liar. so while the timeline may be over on the statute of limitations, she can sue him for defamation if she wants to do that. she can go to the police and the police will investigate claims even if they're time-marked. i also know e. jean, because i was in new york about 10 or 15 years ago, she is a lovely person, an incredible person, and she has two other credible people who are corroborating her story. and do you know who else is well known? donald trump. normally a rape allegation against a sitting president would be a big deal, but in this case, let's be honest, we already know who he is. we already know how corrupt and morally bankrupt he is. we already know what a misogynist he is. >> people say, oh, that's just trump. i find that i still have the capacity to be shocked. >> i'm shocked by it and i continue to be shocked by the fact that a lot of religious

conservatives support him with all of these allegations. now, whether they're proved in court or not, when you have enough, there is sort of a tipping point of you know who this guy is. and yet you still want to set him up as a leader of the free world. >> yeah. >> we won't even get into what's going on. >> let me play a little bit of e. jean carroll's. i did have the opportunity to interview her last weekend, and here she is. she actually did not describe the assault as rape, but take a listen. you said a rape occurred. >> i don't want to use that word. >> why not? >> i'm a writer and i prefer the word "fight." "rape" is a conclusion that a man has had his way with me against my will. this was against my will.

it hurt. i use the word "fight" because that's what i was doing the whole time. >> lisa, is that legally meaningful if the victim says, i don't want to use the term "rape." but does the law care? >> penetration without consent is rape. but she is so much, like so many of my clients, she gets to choose the language especially as a writer for her own experience. i support that. i support whatever e. jean wants to call it. she wants to call it a fight because she did fight and she's proud of that. she doesn't want to wallow in victimhood, she wants to take pride in the fact that she did fight. she's not coming out and saying, he raped me. she's saying, i had this awful experience, and here's what i call it. i think she will evolve. many of my clients evolve over time. they want to be anonymous at first, then they want to come out and use their names. i support her in whatever language she wants. >> there is a "new york times"

editor's statement. they write key consideration was that this was not a case where we were surfacing our own investigation. the allegations were already being discussed by the public. fact that a well-known person was making a very public allegation against the sitting president should have compelled us to play it bigger. another thing a lot of people think should have been compelled bigger is donald trump's own words. here is donald trump saying in 2006 what he thinks he has the right to do to women. take a listen. >> i'm automatically attracted to beautiful women. it's like a magnet. and when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. >> whatever you want. >> grab them by the [ bleep ]. >> let's listen to other accusers of donald trump what he did to them. >> he grabbed each of us tightly in a hug and kissed each one of us without asking permission. >> he then grabbed my shoulder and began kissing me again very aggressively and placed his hand on my breast. >> the person on my right who,

un unbeknownst to me at the time was donald trump, put his hand up my skirt. he touched my vagina through my underwear. >> all of a sudden, his hands were all over me. he was like an octopus. he had six arms. he was all over the place. >> he pushed me up against the wall and had his hands all over me and tried to get up my dress again. i had to physically say, what are you doing? stop it. >> then his hand touched the right inside of my breast. don't you know who i am? that's what he said to me. >> donald trump's defense for that was not, i would never rape anyone, his defense was, she's not my type. can we show a picture of her because those women had some things in common. they were all white, most of them are blond. that's e. jean carroll in the back. i just want to leave that out there. go ahead. >> it is the most offensive comment to say she's not my type. she's not the type that i rape.

>> we're all his type. >> i hope the women of america in the next election say, donald trump is not my type. that is the most offensive comment. rape is a crime of power, it is not a crime of sex. how dare he? he's essentially saying i would rape someone, just not this one. >> obviously she wasn't pretty enough. she's a beautiful woman. >> that's the thing, rape is about power, it's not really about sex. for him to say she's not my type, for a person who is inclined in that direction, we're all his type. his type is just whoever is available that he can get in a corner and grab. >> and you as an activist, as an observer and the women that you know, donald trump did win 52% of white women in the last election. it's a statistic that gets repeated a lot. does this move voters -- do people then say, this is enough? is there a point where if you know women who voted for him for

whatever reason that there is a tipping point where this story comes out and says, i can't? >> there is a tipping point for women and it's not just this but children at the border. i think there are a lot of women who -- i think it was 53% of white women voted for trump. you may see a lot of women recalibrating their vote, especially depending on who the democrats pick. >> i want to talk about e. jean carroll, because you represent women like e. jean. once you tell your story, it's out there. everyone now knows you for that. what is the coping process, then? >> it's very difficult. listen, we have tissue boxes in every corner of my office because it is very painful. and i have to tell my clients, when you come out publicly, people are going to come after you, the trump people are going to come after you, don't read comment sections, stay out of social media. it's very painful. but you will also get a lot of lover and you will feel empowered. just like the lgbtq community,

we say a closet is toxic. it's an empowering community when you stand up. i hope people do give e. jean support. >> i've seen interviews now where she's said she's very hopeful because of the support she's gotten. i know as soon as this story broke, i tweeted that i believed her. and, you know, that i stood behind her. >> having met her, she's a tough lady. she's a tough lady. >> she needs to be. >> two great women. it's so great to have these two ladies on the set. >> we're so happy to see you. >> we have so many selfies. thank you very much. coming up, the mueller report hollywood style. that's next. that's next. and it really shows. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. it was funny because when we would call another insurance company,

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everything. >> director, actor and activist rob reiner is back to team up with the big names like rob are the -- robert deniro and lawrence fishburne just in time for rob reiner to testify before congress. rob, part of me is sad that hollywood has to come out and do the job that we all expect congress to do, which is to get the public to understand in very simple terms what donald trump did. part of me is sad about this. >> it's very frustrating for those of us who have followed this thing intimately since the time trump ran and since we saw the invasion of the russians into the election.

to know that this has been happening, and you talk about it on your show and it's talked about on many shows, but the public has no understanding of the breadth of criminality that went on during the campaign and subsequently in terms of obstruction. so i don't see that progressing, and quite frankly, one of the reasons -- not the only reason -- but one of the reasons there was such an outpouring of support for democrats in the midterm was so that we could get subpoena power. and getting subpoena power was going to hold trump accountable. well, we got the subpoena power. we won by a landslide, and yet we don't see that progress being made. now, you could make the argument that trump is stonewalling and he is stonewalling. he's blocking subpoenas, he's blocking the access to documents. but there is a way in which we can get those documents, there is a way in which we can compel testimony from witnesses and

that is to officially open an impeachment inquiry. then the judiciary committee becomes an official judicial proceeding. when that happens, it makes access to documents and witnesses much more easy to get. and the public will not know what trump did until they see real witnesses in front of the camera under oath, which is what happened during watergate. >> the important thing is he's in front of the camera. you're a tv and movie guy as well as being an activist. what you did with now this presentation, this series, is you're giving people the element of people like robert deniro. this will appeal to people who believe in what you're saying. the reality is an impeachment inquiry on television, that's a tv show that even fox news would have to carry. >> that's real reality television. that's something that i think

trump would be frightened to death of, because you're right, these are just celebrities and they're telling you and a lot of people are going to dismiss it because, why should i list toen a celebrity? the fact of the matter is even though we're talking to people who may agree with us, they still don't know what's in the report. they haven't read it, they don't know. that's why we're doing it. but think about this for a second. robert mueller went on television a few weeks ago and he was on television for eight minutes. and in eight minutes, all that was talked about for the next two days was that eight minutes that he appeared on television. people say, well, we're going to be disappointed by robert mueller because he's not going to say, you're guilty. he doesn't have to. all he has to do is lay out what's actually in that report and it's going to be very devastating for donald trump. >> you're a constituent.

you're not in her district but california runs a house of representatives. if you could talk to her through the tv here, i don't know about nancy pelosi -- >> i talk to her personally. i do talk to her. >> do you understand why she's so reluctant to open an impeachment inquiry? >> i think, and this is my gut instinct, but i think she has done a political calculation that says if we go down this road, it's going to hurt us in 2020. i am not convinced of that. not only am i not convinced of that, i think the opposite will happen. you're going to be able to expose for the american public to see exactly the breadth of criminality of this president. we're not going to convince his 35 to 40%, they're not going anywhere. but certain independents, middle of the road fringe voters are going to see. it's like when that justin

lamosh did his town hall and you found one of his constituents saying, i didn't know thfls is in the report, i thought he was exonerated. they'll see it and i think it will make a big difference. >> do you think someone should talk to her? >> i think what will happen, hopefully, is yesterday joe kennedy came out in favor of an impeachment inquiry. you'll see more and more of her caucus start to move in that direction, and then i think it will be inevitable. >> rob reiner, it's always great to talk to you. you can see this on social media. good for young people, too, because they can check it out on their phone. we'll return after the break. tk but allstate actually helps you drive safely... with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast... ...and brake too hard.

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